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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Finchcliff</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/09/rain-of-iron-on-earth/comment-page-2/#comment-208299</link>
		<dc:creator>Finchcliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>www.theimpactandexitevent.com  cantains a brand new, 2009 impact hypothesis....

The site also provides a 220+ page free ebook on the hypothesis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.theimpactandexitevent.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.theimpactandexitevent.com</a>  cantains a brand new, 2009 impact hypothesis&#8230;.</p>
<p>The site also provides a 220+ page free ebook on the hypothesis.</p>
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		<title>By: British person</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/09/rain-of-iron-on-earth/comment-page-2/#comment-126732</link>
		<dc:creator>British person</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 10:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;British binge-drinkers plague European resorts, while Euro-trash plague Australia; there seems to be some sort of domino effect.&quot;
The British contingent, at least, can at least partly be accounted for by the popularity of the following:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ0wB72TTg0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8Qp24UDGjw

I don&#039;t know if they watch them on the continent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;British binge-drinkers plague European resorts, while Euro-trash plague Australia; there seems to be some sort of domino effect.&#8221;<br />
The British contingent, at least, can at least partly be accounted for by the popularity of the following:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ0wB72TTg0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ0wB72TTg0</a><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8Qp24UDGjw" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8Qp24UDGjw</a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if they watch them on the continent.</p>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/09/rain-of-iron-on-earth/comment-page-2/#comment-125188</link>
		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*Sound of Pin dropping*</description>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/09/rain-of-iron-on-earth/comment-page-2/#comment-125166</link>
		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 05:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>British binge-drinkers plague European resorts, while Euro-trash plague Australia; there seems to be some sort of domino effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>British binge-drinkers plague European resorts, while Euro-trash plague Australia; there seems to be some sort of domino effect.</p>
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		<title>By: shane</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/09/rain-of-iron-on-earth/comment-page-2/#comment-125140</link>
		<dc:creator>shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IVAN3MAN, just approved you post. And Thanks. The whole Red Centre, Top End and West is totally awesome. What amazed us on our drive is how few Aussies below retirement age visit. The Grey Nomads are everywhere in their RVs but if you see someone below 60 that doesn&#039;t live there they are probably euro trash on holiday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IVAN3MAN, just approved you post. And Thanks. The whole Red Centre, Top End and West is totally awesome. What amazed us on our drive is how few Aussies below retirement age visit. The Grey Nomads are everywhere in their RVs but if you see someone below 60 that doesn&#8217;t live there they are probably euro trash on holiday.</p>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/09/rain-of-iron-on-earth/comment-page-2/#comment-125135</link>
		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;shane&lt;/b&gt;, I checked out the link you provided above. Bonzer pictures! I also signed your guestbook. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>shane</b>, I checked out the link you provided above. Bonzer pictures! I also signed your guestbook. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: shane</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/09/rain-of-iron-on-earth/comment-page-2/#comment-125133</link>
		<dc:creator>shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It&#039;s uh ...  It&#039;s green.&quot; - Montgomery Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s uh &#8230;  It&#8217;s green.&#8221; &#8211; Montgomery Scott</p>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/09/rain-of-iron-on-earth/comment-page-2/#comment-125132</link>
		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*Wolf howls in the distance*</description>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/09/rain-of-iron-on-earth/comment-page-2/#comment-125131</link>
		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note that in the last two pictures, the tails&#039; of the fireballs are green -- which would suggest that it is due to ionized oxygen immediately after the meteor, rather than due to the meteors&#039; mineral composition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that in the last two pictures, the tails&#8217; of the fireballs are green &#8212; which would suggest that it is due to ionized oxygen immediately after the meteor, rather than due to the meteors&#8217; mineral composition.</p>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/09/rain-of-iron-on-earth/comment-page-2/#comment-125130</link>
		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto.</description>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/09/rain-of-iron-on-earth/comment-page-2/#comment-125129</link>
		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Click on my name again for another picture.</description>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/09/rain-of-iron-on-earth/comment-page-2/#comment-125128</link>
		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Click on my name for the APOD link featuring a &quot;Bright [Green] Bolide.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Click on my name for the APOD link featuring a &#8220;Bright [Green] Bolide.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/09/rain-of-iron-on-earth/comment-page-2/#comment-125126</link>
		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom Marking:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Nickel has a bright spectral line at 5,476.91 angstroms and iron has a bright spectral line at 5,167.487 angstroms. Both of those wavelengths are in the green part of the spectrum so perhaps it is the iron-nickel composition that is causing the green glow of certain meteors.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I was going to post the same conclusion after doing some research, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Marking:</p>
<blockquote><p>Nickel has a bright spectral line at 5,476.91 angstroms and iron has a bright spectral line at 5,167.487 angstroms. Both of those wavelengths are in the green part of the spectrum so perhaps it is the iron-nickel composition that is causing the green glow of certain meteors.</p></blockquote>
<p>I was going to post the same conclusion after doing some research, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Marking</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/09/rain-of-iron-on-earth/comment-page-2/#comment-125122</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Marking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did some additional research.  Nickel has a bright spectral line at 5,476.91 angstroms and iron has a bright spectral line at 5,167.487 angstroms.  Both of those wavelengths are in the green part of the spectrum so perhaps it is the iron-nickel composition that is causing the green glow of certain meteors.

I&#039;m wondering if a spectrograph has ever been used on one of these falling bolides.  Probably not but that would certainly clinch it if you see emission at these specific wavelengths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did some additional research.  Nickel has a bright spectral line at 5,476.91 angstroms and iron has a bright spectral line at 5,167.487 angstroms.  Both of those wavelengths are in the green part of the spectrum so perhaps it is the iron-nickel composition that is causing the green glow of certain meteors.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m wondering if a spectrograph has ever been used on one of these falling bolides.  Probably not but that would certainly clinch it if you see emission at these specific wavelengths.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Marking</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/09/rain-of-iron-on-earth/comment-page-2/#comment-125080</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Marking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, the Peekskill meteor was also green in color.  Apparently green meteors are not that uncommon.  I feel so cheated now!  :)  From Wikipedia:

&quot;The Peekskill meteorite broke up over the United States on October 9, 1992, an event witnessed by thousands across the East Coast. The meteorite broke up over Kentucky and landed on a parked car in Peekskill, New York. Major cities like Pittsburgh witnessed the bright meteorite. The meteorite traveled northeast and had a pronounced greenish color. The meteorite has been captured on 16 different videos and remains as one of the most famous meteorite sightings.&quot;

Here&#039;s a good video of it:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Peekskill+metorite&amp;emb=0&amp;aq=f#

That sucker is DEFINITELY green.  I guess I&#039;m not crazy after all.  Green meteors really do exist.  Apparently the Peekskill meteor actually impacted someone&#039;s car and thus totally that.  I hope his insurance paid for the damage.  Anyway, enjoy!

Still not clear what the cause of the green color is.  Is it the nickel in the meteorite or the atomic oxygen surrounding it as it passes through the atmosphere.  BA, any thoughts on that one?   Yeah, right, the BA has moved on about a week ago on this post.

Back to the *crickets*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, the Peekskill meteor was also green in color.  Apparently green meteors are not that uncommon.  I feel so cheated now!  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   From Wikipedia:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Peekskill meteorite broke up over the United States on October 9, 1992, an event witnessed by thousands across the East Coast. The meteorite broke up over Kentucky and landed on a parked car in Peekskill, New York. Major cities like Pittsburgh witnessed the bright meteorite. The meteorite traveled northeast and had a pronounced greenish color. The meteorite has been captured on 16 different videos and remains as one of the most famous meteorite sightings.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a good video of it:</p>
<p><a href="http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Peekskill+metorite&#038;emb=0&#038;aq=f#" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Peekskill+metorite&#038;emb=0&#038;aq=f#</a></p>
<p>That sucker is DEFINITELY green.  I guess I&#8217;m not crazy after all.  Green meteors really do exist.  Apparently the Peekskill meteor actually impacted someone&#8217;s car and thus totally that.  I hope his insurance paid for the damage.  Anyway, enjoy!</p>
<p>Still not clear what the cause of the green color is.  Is it the nickel in the meteorite or the atomic oxygen surrounding it as it passes through the atmosphere.  BA, any thoughts on that one?   Yeah, right, the BA has moved on about a week ago on this post.</p>
<p>Back to the *crickets*</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Marking</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/09/rain-of-iron-on-earth/comment-page-2/#comment-125078</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Marking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering green colored bolides, I found the following event which happened way back in 1999.  I guess I&#039;m not the only person to have seen a green bolide.  One of the commenters on the URL speculates that the green color has to do with the composition of the meteor, but I&#039;m wondering if it is not caused by the same effect that makes the aurora borealis typically shine in the green part of the spectrum (i.e., spectral line at 557.7 nanometers of atomic oxygen).

http://www.oregonstarparty.org/spacedebris.htm

There were many sightings of the OSP Bolide that evening, gasping plenty of &quot;oohs and ahs&quot;. The following observations were made: &quot;It was like the Sky was falling at OSP.&quot; &quot;It was a green flame, the size of a nickel at arms length.&quot;

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A shortened report by John Gillis of Rose City Astronomers is as follows: &quot;I saw it at OSP, and it was amazing. It was not a point or a disk, but it was definitely elongated and I clearly saw it tumbling. It was a bright green color and left a smoke trail.&quot; Paul Schmidt of RCA commented jokingly about the OPHI/SATT bolide on the night of the 10th, &quot;It looked like a flaming potato.&quot;

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Richard Pugh, meteorological scientist, had three sightings of bolides. He commented: &quot;The bright green color was common due to temperature and elemental content, indicating either a meteoritical nickel- iron or space debris. A steep descent angle usually was associated with meteorites.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering green colored bolides, I found the following event which happened way back in 1999.  I guess I&#8217;m not the only person to have seen a green bolide.  One of the commenters on the URL speculates that the green color has to do with the composition of the meteor, but I&#8217;m wondering if it is not caused by the same effect that makes the aurora borealis typically shine in the green part of the spectrum (i.e., spectral line at 557.7 nanometers of atomic oxygen).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.oregonstarparty.org/spacedebris.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.oregonstarparty.org/spacedebris.htm</a></p>
<p>There were many sightings of the OSP Bolide that evening, gasping plenty of &#8220;oohs and ahs&#8221;. The following observations were made: &#8220;It was like the Sky was falling at OSP.&#8221; &#8220;It was a green flame, the size of a nickel at arms length.&#8221;</p>
<p>.<br />
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<p>A shortened report by John Gillis of Rose City Astronomers is as follows: &#8220;I saw it at OSP, and it was amazing. It was not a point or a disk, but it was definitely elongated and I clearly saw it tumbling. It was a bright green color and left a smoke trail.&#8221; Paul Schmidt of RCA commented jokingly about the OPHI/SATT bolide on the night of the 10th, &#8220;It looked like a flaming potato.&#8221;</p>
<p>.<br />
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<p>Richard Pugh, meteorological scientist, had three sightings of bolides. He commented: &#8220;The bright green color was common due to temperature and elemental content, indicating either a meteoritical nickel- iron or space debris. A steep descent angle usually was associated with meteorites.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Marking</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/09/rain-of-iron-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-125074</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Marking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@IVAN3MAN: &quot;there is yet another web-site (click on my name just above this post for the link) that calculates impact energy and effects of an asteroid/comet strike called Earth Impact Effects Program — at that web-site is a PDF file download link at the bottom of the page with details of the observations, assumptions, and equations upon which that program is based.&quot;

Wow, I downloaded the PDF.  It&#039;s chock full of equations.  It will take me some time to go through all that and understand it.  Thanks so much.  I particularly like the air blast calculations.  My only gripe is there are still not tsunami calculations for ocean strikes even though it does compute the size of the crater at the bottom of the ocean.  For asteroids in the range 500 m - 2,000 m it is probably the tsunami that will kill the most number of humans.  Still, it&#039;s an impressive program.  Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@IVAN3MAN: &#8220;there is yet another web-site (click on my name just above this post for the link) that calculates impact energy and effects of an asteroid/comet strike called Earth Impact Effects Program — at that web-site is a PDF file download link at the bottom of the page with details of the observations, assumptions, and equations upon which that program is based.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow, I downloaded the PDF.  It&#8217;s chock full of equations.  It will take me some time to go through all that and understand it.  Thanks so much.  I particularly like the air blast calculations.  My only gripe is there are still not tsunami calculations for ocean strikes even though it does compute the size of the crater at the bottom of the ocean.  For asteroids in the range 500 m &#8211; 2,000 m it is probably the tsunami that will kill the most number of humans.  Still, it&#8217;s an impressive program.  Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Marking</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/09/rain-of-iron-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-125071</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Marking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;IVAN3MAN, I always wanted to go to Wolf Creek Crater. Got to within 70 or so kays of the place once. It is pretty remote. Didn’t have a four wheel drive.&quot;

I&#039;ve been to Meteor Crater in Arizona in the 1980&#039;s (previously called the Barringer crater).  I&#039;ve also been to Sedan crater in the Nevada Test Site which was made by a nuclear weapon in 1962.  Meteor Crater is much, much bigger which puts the puny powers of Homo sapiens into perspective.

Back in 1992 I wanted to go to the Wolf Creek Meteor crater in Western Australia but it was the rainy season (I think November to February if I remember correctly) and all the roads were washed out and private planes weren&#039;t flying at the time.  So I missed out on that one.  I hear it&#039;s very similar to Meteor Crater in Arizona but it&#039;s still on my to-do list if I ever get back down under.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;IVAN3MAN, I always wanted to go to Wolf Creek Crater. Got to within 70 or so kays of the place once. It is pretty remote. Didn’t have a four wheel drive.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been to Meteor Crater in Arizona in the 1980&#8242;s (previously called the Barringer crater).  I&#8217;ve also been to Sedan crater in the Nevada Test Site which was made by a nuclear weapon in 1962.  Meteor Crater is much, much bigger which puts the puny powers of Homo sapiens into perspective.</p>
<p>Back in 1992 I wanted to go to the Wolf Creek Meteor crater in Western Australia but it was the rainy season (I think November to February if I remember correctly) and all the roads were washed out and private planes weren&#8217;t flying at the time.  So I missed out on that one.  I hear it&#8217;s very similar to Meteor Crater in Arizona but it&#8217;s still on my to-do list if I ever get back down under.</p>
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		<title>By: shane</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/09/rain-of-iron-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-125067</link>
		<dc:creator>shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IVAN3MAN, I always wanted to go to Wolf Creek Crater. Got to within 70 or so kays of the place once. It is pretty remote. Didn&#039;t have a four wheel drive. We asked a local if we could get there without a 4WD and he thought a bit and said &quot;maybe...&quot;. We asked if we could get back too and he just smiled and said &quot;probably not&quot;. We took a chopper over the Bungle Bungles instead. Pictures of Bungle Bungles here... http://outback.nixons.net
We&#039;re saving the big hole till next time. 

Lots of tumbleweeds up the top end... and goats. Millions of goats. Who new?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IVAN3MAN, I always wanted to go to Wolf Creek Crater. Got to within 70 or so kays of the place once. It is pretty remote. Didn&#8217;t have a four wheel drive. We asked a local if we could get there without a 4WD and he thought a bit and said &#8220;maybe&#8230;&#8221;. We asked if we could get back too and he just smiled and said &#8220;probably not&#8221;. We took a chopper over the Bungle Bungles instead. Pictures of Bungle Bungles here&#8230; <a href="http://outback.nixons.net" rel="nofollow">http://outback.nixons.net</a><br />
We&#8217;re saving the big hole till next time. </p>
<p>Lots of tumbleweeds up the top end&#8230; and goats. Millions of goats. Who new?</p>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/09/rain-of-iron-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-125049</link>
		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*&lt;font color=&quot;Brown&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Tumbleweed blows across the scene in Howling Wind&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/font&gt;*</description>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/09/rain-of-iron-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-125047</link>
		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom Marking, and anybody else who is interested, there is yet another web-site (click on my name just above this post for the link) that calculates impact energy and effects of an asteroid/comet strike called &lt;i&gt;Earth Impact Effects Program&lt;/i&gt; -- at that web-site is a PDF file download link at the bottom of the page with details of the observations, assumptions, and equations upon which that program is based. 

All three of the above programs appear to give slightly different results! Ah, this is all theoretical; the only way to determine which program is the most accurate would be to do an actual test experiment by manoeuvring an actual asteroid in space to smash into the Moon. That would be fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Marking, and anybody else who is interested, there is yet another web-site (click on my name just above this post for the link) that calculates impact energy and effects of an asteroid/comet strike called <i>Earth Impact Effects Program</i> &#8212; at that web-site is a PDF file download link at the bottom of the page with details of the observations, assumptions, and equations upon which that program is based. </p>
<p>All three of the above programs appear to give slightly different results! Ah, this is all theoretical; the only way to determine which program is the most accurate would be to do an actual test experiment by manoeuvring an actual asteroid in space to smash into the Moon. That would be fun!</p>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/09/rain-of-iron-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-125034</link>
		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 02:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom Marking, there is another interesting web-site called &lt;i&gt;Down 2 Earth -- Impact Calculator&lt;/i&gt; (click on my name for the new link), which was mentioned by Dr. Phil Plait on this blog some time ago. It has been improved since then; previously, one was only able to select Wales as the &quot;target&quot;, but now you can select: Cardiff; London; Paris; New York; Barringer Meteor Crater, Arizona; Aorounga, Afica; Roter Kamm, Namibia; Mistastin Lake, Canada; Bosumtwi, Ghana; Kara-Kul, Tajikistan; last, but not least, bloody Wolf Creek, Australia! Hey, &lt;b&gt;shane&lt;/b&gt;, you will enjoy this, mate! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Marking, there is another interesting web-site called <i>Down 2 Earth &#8212; Impact Calculator</i> (click on my name for the new link), which was mentioned by Dr. Phil Plait on this blog some time ago. It has been improved since then; previously, one was only able to select Wales as the &#8220;target&#8221;, but now you can select: Cardiff; London; Paris; New York; Barringer Meteor Crater, Arizona; Aorounga, Afica; Roter Kamm, Namibia; Mistastin Lake, Canada; Bosumtwi, Ghana; Kara-Kul, Tajikistan; last, but not least, bloody Wolf Creek, Australia! Hey, <b>shane</b>, you will enjoy this, mate! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/09/rain-of-iron-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-125031</link>
		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 01:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom Marking: &quot;Did you write that web site yourself?&quot;

No, I said that I &lt;i&gt;found&lt;/i&gt; the web-site, not &#039;founded&#039; it personally. It was written and created by Dr. Douglas P. Hamilton and students at the University of Maryland, with support from NASA and NSF. His name is at the bottom of the page on that web-site, and there is a link -- &quot;Astronomy Workshop&quot; -- just above his name which leads to his main web-site page; at the bottom of that page, there is another link on his name which leads to his &quot;Home Page&quot; with further links to his Research Interests, Scientific Publications, CV, etc.

Tom Marking: &quot;What equations are you or they using for that?&quot;
 
I would like to know, too! Dr. Hamilton has an e-mail address at the top of his CV, which you can download as a PDF file. Maybe the both of us can badger him for the equations! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Marking: &#8220;Did you write that web site yourself?&#8221;</p>
<p>No, I said that I <i>found</i> the web-site, not &#8216;founded&#8217; it personally. It was written and created by Dr. Douglas P. Hamilton and students at the University of Maryland, with support from NASA and NSF. His name is at the bottom of the page on that web-site, and there is a link &#8212; &#8220;Astronomy Workshop&#8221; &#8212; just above his name which leads to his main web-site page; at the bottom of that page, there is another link on his name which leads to his &#8220;Home Page&#8221; with further links to his Research Interests, Scientific Publications, CV, etc.</p>
<p>Tom Marking: &#8220;What equations are you or they using for that?&#8221;</p>
<p>I would like to know, too! Dr. Hamilton has an e-mail address at the top of his CV, which you can download as a PDF file. Maybe the both of us can badger him for the equations! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tom Marking</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/09/rain-of-iron-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-125022</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Marking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I think there&#039;s a problem with the earthquake magnitude calculation as well, or at least it&#039;s not very accurate.  Maybe they are rounding it off.

Anyway, a 4 km rocky asteroid impacting at 20 km/sec has an energy of 4 Teratons and magnitude 10.0 on the Richter scale according to your URL.  According to Wikipedia a magnitude 10.0 earthquake releases 1 Teraton of energy.  So that&#039;s one fourth the computed value.  The actual magnitude should be 10.4 on the Richter scale.  That&#039;s not a terrible adjustment, much better than I thought at first, but still off by quite a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I think there&#8217;s a problem with the earthquake magnitude calculation as well, or at least it&#8217;s not very accurate.  Maybe they are rounding it off.</p>
<p>Anyway, a 4 km rocky asteroid impacting at 20 km/sec has an energy of 4 Teratons and magnitude 10.0 on the Richter scale according to your URL.  According to Wikipedia a magnitude 10.0 earthquake releases 1 Teraton of energy.  So that&#8217;s one fourth the computed value.  The actual magnitude should be 10.4 on the Richter scale.  That&#8217;s not a terrible adjustment, much better than I thought at first, but still off by quite a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Marking</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/09/rain-of-iron-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-125021</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Marking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@IVAN3MAN: &quot;I found an excellent web-site where you can have some fun by sending an asteroid/comet hurtling towards your favourite planet. You can select the size, composition, and velocity of the asteroid/comet as well as the target moon/planet.&quot;

Did you write that web site yourself?  I&#039;m particularly interested in the cratering sizes.  What equations are you or they using for that?  It seems that the crater diameter is going in proportion to the cube root of the kinetic energy or in proportion to the diameter of the asteroid.  Thus, a 1.0 km wide rocky asteroid leaves a crater 12.5 km in diameter but a 3.0 km wide rocky asteroid leaves a crater 37.1 km in diameter (~3 times wider) for collision velocity = 20 km/sec.

However, the crater depth only increased from 0.6 km to 0.9 km.  It seems to increase by a steady 0.3 km for every increase in diameter by a factor of 3.  Not sure why it&#039;s not scaling the same way the crater diameter is.

Also, I&#039;m not sure if those earthquake magnitudes are correct.  They seem like awfully small numbers to me for very large impacts.  Thus, a 3.0 km wide asteroid impact has an energy equivalent to 9.8 on the Richter scale, slightly greater than the largest natural earthquake in history.  Just a gut feeling tells me it should be much larger, but I would have to do more research to confirm that.

Finally, I believe there must be some bugs in that URL as well.  A 10.0 km wide rocky asteroid impacting on land at 20 km/sec leaves a crater 122 km wide and 1.2 km deep.  The same asteroid impacting in the ocean leaves a temporary crater 122 km wide and 36.7 km deep.  Since the deepest point in the ocean (i.e., the Challenger Deep) has a depth of 11 km this means the asteroid would dig a hole at least 25.7 km into the earth&#039;s crust if it lands over the ocean whereas it will dig a hole only 1.2 km deep if it lands over the land.  That makes no sense at all and MUST be a bug.  The ocean should cushion its impact so that the depth of the crater at the bottom of the ocean should be less than 1.2 km deep.  Other than that it seems like a fun program.

Back to the *crickets*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@IVAN3MAN: &#8220;I found an excellent web-site where you can have some fun by sending an asteroid/comet hurtling towards your favourite planet. You can select the size, composition, and velocity of the asteroid/comet as well as the target moon/planet.&#8221;</p>
<p>Did you write that web site yourself?  I&#8217;m particularly interested in the cratering sizes.  What equations are you or they using for that?  It seems that the crater diameter is going in proportion to the cube root of the kinetic energy or in proportion to the diameter of the asteroid.  Thus, a 1.0 km wide rocky asteroid leaves a crater 12.5 km in diameter but a 3.0 km wide rocky asteroid leaves a crater 37.1 km in diameter (~3 times wider) for collision velocity = 20 km/sec.</p>
<p>However, the crater depth only increased from 0.6 km to 0.9 km.  It seems to increase by a steady 0.3 km for every increase in diameter by a factor of 3.  Not sure why it&#8217;s not scaling the same way the crater diameter is.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m not sure if those earthquake magnitudes are correct.  They seem like awfully small numbers to me for very large impacts.  Thus, a 3.0 km wide asteroid impact has an energy equivalent to 9.8 on the Richter scale, slightly greater than the largest natural earthquake in history.  Just a gut feeling tells me it should be much larger, but I would have to do more research to confirm that.</p>
<p>Finally, I believe there must be some bugs in that URL as well.  A 10.0 km wide rocky asteroid impacting on land at 20 km/sec leaves a crater 122 km wide and 1.2 km deep.  The same asteroid impacting in the ocean leaves a temporary crater 122 km wide and 36.7 km deep.  Since the deepest point in the ocean (i.e., the Challenger Deep) has a depth of 11 km this means the asteroid would dig a hole at least 25.7 km into the earth&#8217;s crust if it lands over the ocean whereas it will dig a hole only 1.2 km deep if it lands over the land.  That makes no sense at all and MUST be a bug.  The ocean should cushion its impact so that the depth of the crater at the bottom of the ocean should be less than 1.2 km deep.  Other than that it seems like a fun program.</p>
<p>Back to the *crickets*</p>
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