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	<title>Comments on: NASA will try to fix Hubble tomorrow</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Hubble is getting better &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/14/nasa-will-try-to-fix-hubble-tomorrow/comment-page-1/#comment-127906</link>
		<dc:creator>Hubble is getting better &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hubble back up to speed. Engineers are trying to get a backup system started to take over for a system that failed earlier. What failed was the hardware that controls the science instruments, so without this Hubble is [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hubble update: Looking good so far &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/14/nasa-will-try-to-fix-hubble-tomorrow/comment-page-1/#comment-126146</link>
		<dc:creator>Hubble update: Looking good so far &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the procedure to turn on Hubble&#8217;s spare Science Instrument Control and Data Handling system, the part that went kerflooie a couple of weeks ago. So far, things look good: During the night of Oct. 15, Space Telescope Operations Control Center [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the procedure to turn on Hubble&#8217;s spare Science Instrument Control and Data Handling system, the part that went kerflooie a couple of weeks ago. So far, things look good: During the night of Oct. 15, Space Telescope Operations Control Center [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Trebuchet</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/14/nasa-will-try-to-fix-hubble-tomorrow/comment-page-1/#comment-125903</link>
		<dc:creator>Trebuchet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were a lot of comments at the time of the failure how fortunate it was that it happened just before the shuttle servicing mission was to be launched, instead of just afterward.  That&#039;s true.  But isn&#039;t it also a good thing that it didn&#039;t happen during the tenure of Sean O&#039;Keefe, who would likely have just axed the program?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were a lot of comments at the time of the failure how fortunate it was that it happened just before the shuttle servicing mission was to be launched, instead of just afterward.  That&#8217;s true.  But isn&#8217;t it also a good thing that it didn&#8217;t happen during the tenure of Sean O&#8217;Keefe, who would likely have just axed the program?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Hagerty</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/14/nasa-will-try-to-fix-hubble-tomorrow/comment-page-1/#comment-125889</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Hagerty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray Says: &quot;why doesn’t NASA design systems where the two systems would share time? This would keep both systems “live” and allow for seamless takeover of functions should one of them go down.&quot;

Because most failures are due to the accumulated &quot;power up&quot; time. Once you get past the &quot;infant mortality&quot; phase of electronic failure, components usually settle into a long life of reliability. The real enemy is heat and a couple of decades of operation will cause them to dissipate a lot of it. If you have shared duty (both powered up all the time, which doubles your power budget with no increase in performance), you&#039;ll have two worn out systems when one of them fails. The second failure is sure to come soon after.

Once you protect against temperature extremes and shield against most of the radiation, space is actually a pretty benign environment for electronic storage. True, your components can be zapped by a cosmic ray while it&#039;s sleeping, but that can happen to the active ones as well.

- Jack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray Says: &#8220;why doesn’t NASA design systems where the two systems would share time? This would keep both systems “live” and allow for seamless takeover of functions should one of them go down.&#8221;</p>
<p>Because most failures are due to the accumulated &#8220;power up&#8221; time. Once you get past the &#8220;infant mortality&#8221; phase of electronic failure, components usually settle into a long life of reliability. The real enemy is heat and a couple of decades of operation will cause them to dissipate a lot of it. If you have shared duty (both powered up all the time, which doubles your power budget with no increase in performance), you&#8217;ll have two worn out systems when one of them fails. The second failure is sure to come soon after.</p>
<p>Once you protect against temperature extremes and shield against most of the radiation, space is actually a pretty benign environment for electronic storage. True, your components can be zapped by a cosmic ray while it&#8217;s sleeping, but that can happen to the active ones as well.</p>
<p>- Jack</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Hagerty</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/14/nasa-will-try-to-fix-hubble-tomorrow/comment-page-1/#comment-125886</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Hagerty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas Says: &quot;it would seem wise to turn the backup systems on every so often just to see if they work.&quot;

Let me tell you a little story in that regard. My first job out of school (slightly after the Earth cooled) was as a flight support contractor to an Air Force satellite program at the Sunnyvale Air Force Station (the &quot;Blue Cube&quot; to all you locals). Our program office was in the older part of the station, which was built in 1957. 

Since there are no windows, every room was equipped with battery powered emergency lighting. It was the job of some poor Airman 2nd Class to walk around the whole building once a month and hit the &quot;Test&quot; button on each of the several hundred units in the facility. I&#039;m sure they considered it some useless busywork that the military is so good at creating. After all, the facility was connected to a high-priority service from the local utility which had never failed in the 20 years the base had been there. Even if it did, there were 50 MW of gas turbine generators ready to take over (which had been idling continuously for 20 years).

As you&#039;ve probably guessed, one day while I was there the power from the utility failed. I never found out the reason, but it was highly suspicious since the switch that moved the connection from utility to the generators stuck half way so the facility was completely disconnected. As designed, the emergency lighting came on...and then went right off again in less than 30 seconds. The batteries were lead-acid and were all 20 years old. The plates had all oxidized to the point of uselessness. They could power the lamps for the 5 seconds or so of the test, but the larger system degradation went undetected.

- Jack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas Says: &#8220;it would seem wise to turn the backup systems on every so often just to see if they work.&#8221;</p>
<p>Let me tell you a little story in that regard. My first job out of school (slightly after the Earth cooled) was as a flight support contractor to an Air Force satellite program at the Sunnyvale Air Force Station (the &#8220;Blue Cube&#8221; to all you locals). Our program office was in the older part of the station, which was built in 1957. </p>
<p>Since there are no windows, every room was equipped with battery powered emergency lighting. It was the job of some poor Airman 2nd Class to walk around the whole building once a month and hit the &#8220;Test&#8221; button on each of the several hundred units in the facility. I&#8217;m sure they considered it some useless busywork that the military is so good at creating. After all, the facility was connected to a high-priority service from the local utility which had never failed in the 20 years the base had been there. Even if it did, there were 50 MW of gas turbine generators ready to take over (which had been idling continuously for 20 years).</p>
<p>As you&#8217;ve probably guessed, one day while I was there the power from the utility failed. I never found out the reason, but it was highly suspicious since the switch that moved the connection from utility to the generators stuck half way so the facility was completely disconnected. As designed, the emergency lighting came on&#8230;and then went right off again in less than 30 seconds. The batteries were lead-acid and were all 20 years old. The plates had all oxidized to the point of uselessness. They could power the lamps for the 5 seconds or so of the test, but the larger system degradation went undetected.</p>
<p>- Jack</p>
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		<title>By: SLC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SLC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re Phil Plait

&lt;i&gt;SLC: I have had enough of your rude comments. This is your last chance. Shape up, or I will start deleting your comments as they come in, and mark them as spam.&lt;/i&gt;

OK, fair enough, I will attempt to politely respond to Mr. Shanes&#039; comment.  It appears that Mr. Shanes&#039; position (and possibly Dr. Plaits&#039;) is that, unless NASA continues to support the manned space program, Congress will cut back on all spending for space activities.  If that&#039;s the case, then it would seem that the proponents of space activities are unable to provide a suitable justification for their program.  In that event, then, maybe the space program should be curtailed.  I don&#039;t believe for a moment that such justifications don&#039;t exist.  The value from the spinoffs alone from the space program (e.g. the computer I am typing this comment on) provide,  IMHO, a strong argument all by themselves, even without mentioning the enormous scientific achievements resulting from the program over the last 40 years.  It&#039;s time that NASA and its supporters make that case!  

My position, and absent the snark, that of Profs. Park and Weinberg is that all of the above would have been achieved if no human had ever gone into space at all.  In fact, I would argue that even more spinoffs and even more scientific achievements would have occurred if the funds spent on the manned space program had been spent instead on the various unmanned activities, many of which never got funded due to lack of resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Phil Plait</p>
<p><i>SLC: I have had enough of your rude comments. This is your last chance. Shape up, or I will start deleting your comments as they come in, and mark them as spam.</i></p>
<p>OK, fair enough, I will attempt to politely respond to Mr. Shanes&#8217; comment.  It appears that Mr. Shanes&#8217; position (and possibly Dr. Plaits&#8217;) is that, unless NASA continues to support the manned space program, Congress will cut back on all spending for space activities.  If that&#8217;s the case, then it would seem that the proponents of space activities are unable to provide a suitable justification for their program.  In that event, then, maybe the space program should be curtailed.  I don&#8217;t believe for a moment that such justifications don&#8217;t exist.  The value from the spinoffs alone from the space program (e.g. the computer I am typing this comment on) provide,  IMHO, a strong argument all by themselves, even without mentioning the enormous scientific achievements resulting from the program over the last 40 years.  It&#8217;s time that NASA and its supporters make that case!  </p>
<p>My position, and absent the snark, that of Profs. Park and Weinberg is that all of the above would have been achieved if no human had ever gone into space at all.  In fact, I would argue that even more spinoffs and even more scientific achievements would have occurred if the funds spent on the manned space program had been spent instead on the various unmanned activities, many of which never got funded due to lack of resources.</p>
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		<title>By: The Perky Skeptic</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Perky Skeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Hubble fangirl. I&#039;m glad they&#039;re fixing &#039;er up!</description>
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		<title>By: Stark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray, that is indeed a common current design feature in many electronic systems - it&#039;s called hot fail-over.  18 years ago though, it was unheard of and technically unfeasible.  While the Hubble is an amazing piece of engineering and was bleeding edge space technology when it was built.... that was 18 years ago.  

Also keep in mind that anything going into space is usually several years behind the bleeding edge of ground based technologies.  This is because space is a very unfriendly place to electronics.  It poses some serious cooling issues (no convective cooling possible without air after all) and the hard radiation the electronics are exposed to can fry them in short order.  

So, you end up building with several year old tech that has been modified to handle the heating and cooling issues and &quot;hardened&quot; to handle the radiation issues of space flight.  Making systems space flight worthy is insanely expensive - namely because you never make more than a few of them (due to the very limited  demand for spaceflight worthy items).  Each piece of spaceflight hardware is basically an one-off piece of engineering that goes through testing that makes any QA procedures for earth bound equipment look trivial.

So, while we may look at doing hot fail-over systems in a future space telescope (not sure if the James Webb will have this or not - probably not is my bet though) it was quite simply beyond the realm of technical reality in 1990.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray, that is indeed a common current design feature in many electronic systems &#8211; it&#8217;s called hot fail-over.  18 years ago though, it was unheard of and technically unfeasible.  While the Hubble is an amazing piece of engineering and was bleeding edge space technology when it was built&#8230;. that was 18 years ago.  </p>
<p>Also keep in mind that anything going into space is usually several years behind the bleeding edge of ground based technologies.  This is because space is a very unfriendly place to electronics.  It poses some serious cooling issues (no convective cooling possible without air after all) and the hard radiation the electronics are exposed to can fry them in short order.  </p>
<p>So, you end up building with several year old tech that has been modified to handle the heating and cooling issues and &#8220;hardened&#8221; to handle the radiation issues of space flight.  Making systems space flight worthy is insanely expensive &#8211; namely because you never make more than a few of them (due to the very limited  demand for spaceflight worthy items).  Each piece of spaceflight hardware is basically an one-off piece of engineering that goes through testing that makes any QA procedures for earth bound equipment look trivial.</p>
<p>So, while we may look at doing hot fail-over systems in a future space telescope (not sure if the James Webb will have this or not &#8211; probably not is my bet though) it was quite simply beyond the realm of technical reality in 1990.</p>
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		<title>By: Scientific Starlinks &#124; Mike Brotherton: SF Writer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scientific Starlinks &#124; Mike Brotherton: SF Writer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Phil Plait at Bad Astronomy discusses NASA&#8217;s efforts to fix the Hubble Space Telescope. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MichaelL</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichaelL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@GSS:
I&#039;m sure that&#039;s a relief  :)</description>
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I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s a relief  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Turns out fixing Hubble is like fixing Windows &#171; News Pirates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Turns out fixing Hubble is like fixing Windows &#171; News Pirates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by John Hummel on October 15, 2008  A part of the Hubble telescope has failed, and NASA&#8217;s all set to fix it. And what amazing technical solution do they have for this? Will they do a space walk? Robotic arm? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by John Hummel on October 15, 2008  A part of the Hubble telescope has failed, and NASA&#8217;s all set to fix it. And what amazing technical solution do they have for this? Will they do a space walk? Robotic arm? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@false assurance 
&lt;i&gt;There is no excuse for this kind of dumb design. Which tells me it isn’t true. They are covering something up.&lt;/i&gt;

I’m all for a good conspiracy theory, but what could they possibly be trying to cover up by saying a telescope isn’t working?  

On another note, my toiled was backed up last week.  I told people it was because my son threw a battery in it, but that was a lie.  I was actually hiding a deeper, darker secret.  I can’t say too much on that, but it involves jet contrails, an Adolph Hitler clone, and the horrible drug overdose of that guy from &lt;i&gt;Blue’s Clues&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@false assurance<br />
<i>There is no excuse for this kind of dumb design. Which tells me it isn’t true. They are covering something up.</i></p>
<p>I’m all for a good conspiracy theory, but what could they possibly be trying to cover up by saying a telescope isn’t working?  </p>
<p>On another note, my toiled was backed up last week.  I told people it was because my son threw a battery in it, but that was a lie.  I was actually hiding a deeper, darker secret.  I can’t say too much on that, but it involves jet contrails, an Adolph Hitler clone, and the horrible drug overdose of that guy from <i>Blue’s Clues</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2008-10-15 &#124; Yostivanich.com</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/14/nasa-will-try-to-fix-hubble-tomorrow/comment-page-1/#comment-125709</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2008-10-15 &#124; Yostivanich.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] NASA will try to fix Hubble tomorrow &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine Yeah, NASA and Hubble back in action. (tags: hubble nasa space science Astronomy) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] NASA will try to fix Hubble tomorrow | Bad Astronomy | Discover Magazine Yeah, NASA and Hubble back in action. (tags: hubble nasa space science Astronomy) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Marsha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marsha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas, anything that was scheduled during the down time will be re-scheduled. Most observations are based on &quot;seasons&quot;. Certain parts of the sky are available in spring, others in autumn and so forth, just like on the ground. If an observation misses its window, it will likely be moved to the next year. Observations are rarely so time-sensitive that they are dropped completely. But if the G0&#039;ould motherships appear at Saturn before the fix is done, we&#039;re out of luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas, anything that was scheduled during the down time will be re-scheduled. Most observations are based on &#8220;seasons&#8221;. Certain parts of the sky are available in spring, others in autumn and so forth, just like on the ground. If an observation misses its window, it will likely be moved to the next year. Observations are rarely so time-sensitive that they are dropped completely. But if the G0&#8242;ould motherships appear at Saturn before the fix is done, we&#8217;re out of luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Howard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consider that NASA is probably the best run civilian agency we have, and they can&#039;t manage a web page efficently.

So certainly it makes sense to turn as much of our wealth and control over our lives as possible to the  government, since they are so much smarter than us fly-over country dolts.  

Vote Obama! At least he&#039;ll stop this wasteful spending on space projects and divert that money to even less effective parts of the government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consider that NASA is probably the best run civilian agency we have, and they can&#8217;t manage a web page efficently.</p>
<p>So certainly it makes sense to turn as much of our wealth and control over our lives as possible to the  government, since they are so much smarter than us fly-over country dolts.  </p>
<p>Vote Obama! At least he&#8217;ll stop this wasteful spending on space projects and divert that money to even less effective parts of the government.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Ansorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Ansorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shane:
 Don&#039;t know what was bugging slc, but I thought your example was pretty funny.

GAry 7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shane:<br />
 Don&#8217;t know what was bugging slc, but I thought your example was pretty funny.</p>
<p>GAry 7</p>
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		<title>By: Cheyenne</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/14/nasa-will-try-to-fix-hubble-tomorrow/comment-page-1/#comment-125691</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheyenne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fingers crossed right now. Come on Hubble!

@Bigfoot-
&quot;Please let us return to the pleasure of a world where Hubble is constant.&quot;- oh darn I wish I wrote that! H&#039;awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fingers crossed right now. Come on Hubble!</p>
<p>@Bigfoot-<br />
&#8220;Please let us return to the pleasure of a world where Hubble is constant.&#8221;- oh darn I wish I wrote that! H&#8217;awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Ansorge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/14/nasa-will-try-to-fix-hubble-tomorrow/comment-page-1/#comment-125690</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Ansorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Backup systems cost money and mass and mass means more expensive to launch. One might also note that Hubble was launched 18 years ago and the tech. used in that device was already at least a decade old. HAving said that, I recall that the Hubble CCD camera was 16 Mega Pixels, far better than anything available to the general public(or at least affordable). When the space shuttle was built, the onboard computers were state of the art and pretty massive. Today, those three computers can be out done by an iPhone. Thus, whatever space craft we build today has an enormous advantage in the mass of the onboard tech. Less mass for the onboard tech. translates into greater payload capacity, which means less cost/lb of payload to orbit. A new Hubble &#039;scope could be built today for the same dollars, have more dependable backup and more instruments on board. Unfortunately, as some may have noticed, we&#039;re in a wealth crunch right now and there is little incentive for politicians to implement such a new &#039;scope. 

Bummer!

I hope we can get old Hubble up and running for a few more years. Maybe by the time it finally goes down for the last time, we&#039;ll have a new, bigger, better system ready to fly.

One can only hope,,,

GAry 7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Backup systems cost money and mass and mass means more expensive to launch. One might also note that Hubble was launched 18 years ago and the tech. used in that device was already at least a decade old. HAving said that, I recall that the Hubble CCD camera was 16 Mega Pixels, far better than anything available to the general public(or at least affordable). When the space shuttle was built, the onboard computers were state of the art and pretty massive. Today, those three computers can be out done by an iPhone. Thus, whatever space craft we build today has an enormous advantage in the mass of the onboard tech. Less mass for the onboard tech. translates into greater payload capacity, which means less cost/lb of payload to orbit. A new Hubble &#8216;scope could be built today for the same dollars, have more dependable backup and more instruments on board. Unfortunately, as some may have noticed, we&#8217;re in a wealth crunch right now and there is little incentive for politicians to implement such a new &#8216;scope. </p>
<p>Bummer!</p>
<p>I hope we can get old Hubble up and running for a few more years. Maybe by the time it finally goes down for the last time, we&#8217;ll have a new, bigger, better system ready to fly.</p>
<p>One can only hope,,,</p>
<p>GAry 7</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Thomas: As someone who is versed in the technical details (albeit not in a space context) - you&#039;re dead on. The way this sort of thing would be handled in earthbound business is to test those redundant systems regularly - in fact, in many cases, it is a standing procedure to switch between them quarterly, monthly, even weekly, and actively use both systems regularly to ensure that they are both working.

It sounds like very poor design to me to require them to power down the entire spacecraft just to restart the controller. I know that the craft was designed many many years ago, but even at that it seems like it should have been possible to design the craft to be able to switch seamlessly between controllers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Thomas: As someone who is versed in the technical details (albeit not in a space context) &#8211; you&#8217;re dead on. The way this sort of thing would be handled in earthbound business is to test those redundant systems regularly &#8211; in fact, in many cases, it is a standing procedure to switch between them quarterly, monthly, even weekly, and actively use both systems regularly to ensure that they are both working.</p>
<p>It sounds like very poor design to me to require them to power down the entire spacecraft just to restart the controller. I know that the craft was designed many many years ago, but even at that it seems like it should have been possible to design the craft to be able to switch seamlessly between controllers.</p>
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		<title>By: (HEARTS)</title>
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		<dc:creator>(HEARTS)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I noticed a google advertisement for &lt;2012-comet dot com&gt; being displayed on this page, I suggest to put that on the banlist, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed a google advertisement for &lt;2012-comet dot com> being displayed on this page, I suggest to put that on the banlist, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather than have off-line backup systems, why doesn&#039;t NASA design systems where the two systems would share time?  This would keep both systems &quot;live&quot; and allow for seamless takeover of functions should one of them go down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than have off-line backup systems, why doesn&#8217;t NASA design systems where the two systems would share time?  This would keep both systems &#8220;live&#8221; and allow for seamless takeover of functions should one of them go down.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a response posted the 10th. Guess some missed it.</description>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder two things. First, redundant systems are absolutely required in space flight since it&#039;s no small job to get to the object to work on it but are no diagnostics performed on this equipment? I&#039;m not versed in the salient technical details but it would seem wise to turn the backup systems on every so often just to see if they work. 

Second, if Hubble cannot be made operational today, what will that do to the roster of scientists waiting to use it? Will the entire schedule be pushed back? Are there some observations that must be performed at certain times in the Earth&#039;s orbit that might be given priority given the time of year when the observatory comes back online? Are the scientists slated for the winter just out to dry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder two things. First, redundant systems are absolutely required in space flight since it&#8217;s no small job to get to the object to work on it but are no diagnostics performed on this equipment? I&#8217;m not versed in the salient technical details but it would seem wise to turn the backup systems on every so often just to see if they work. </p>
<p>Second, if Hubble cannot be made operational today, what will that do to the roster of scientists waiting to use it? Will the entire schedule be pushed back? Are there some observations that must be performed at certain times in the Earth&#8217;s orbit that might be given priority given the time of year when the observatory comes back online? Are the scientists slated for the winter just out to dry?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Portnell</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/14/nasa-will-try-to-fix-hubble-tomorrow/comment-page-1/#comment-125679</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Portnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if NASA&#039;s webmasters are asleep at the switch, the rest of the world goes on. Reuters had a report on the restart plans up very promptly afterward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if NASA&#8217;s webmasters are asleep at the switch, the rest of the world goes on. Reuters had a report on the restart plans up very promptly afterward.</p>
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		<title>By: MPG</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/14/nasa-will-try-to-fix-hubble-tomorrow/comment-page-1/#comment-125678</link>
		<dc:creator>MPG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So they&#039;re actually going to do what everyone does to fix something electronic - turn it off an on again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So they&#8217;re actually going to do what everyone does to fix something electronic &#8211; turn it off an on again.</p>
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