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		<title>By: DingoDave</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/24/the-big-picture-enceladus/comment-page-1/#comment-129944</link>
		<dc:creator>DingoDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry if this is a double post.

According to the U.S. Constitution, one of the Vice-President&#039;s duties is to serve as Chairman of the Board of NASA.

Can you imagine Sarah Palin as Chairman of the Board of NASA? : O

She&#039;d better start brushing up on her rocket science.  : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry if this is a double post.</p>
<p>According to the U.S. Constitution, one of the Vice-President&#8217;s duties is to serve as Chairman of the Board of NASA.</p>
<p>Can you imagine Sarah Palin as Chairman of the Board of NASA? : O</p>
<p>She&#8217;d better start brushing up on her rocket science.  : )</p>
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		<title>By: tracer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/24/the-big-picture-enceladus/comment-page-1/#comment-129006</link>
		<dc:creator>tracer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aleksandar quoted somebody as saying:

[quote]Nasa:
1. Provides jobs for nerds that would instead be addicted to WOW.[/quote]

I would respond to this, except my level 70 fury warrior needs to finish his Hallow&#039;s End Achievements before zombies overrun Orgrimmar again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aleksandar quoted somebody as saying:</p>
<p>[quote]Nasa:<br />
1. Provides jobs for nerds that would instead be addicted to WOW.[/quote]</p>
<p>I would respond to this, except my level 70 fury warrior needs to finish his Hallow&#8217;s End Achievements before zombies overrun Orgrimmar again.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/24/the-big-picture-enceladus/comment-page-1/#comment-128798</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aleksanar said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;QUOTE:

Nasa:
1. Provides jobs for nerds that would instead be addicted to WOW.
2. Gives us pictures. Thats right: PICTURES! I have yet to benefit from a picture, I’d rather have lower taxes, even if its $1.00 less (that’s a coke!)
3. It’s a relic of the cold-war space race. What do we need to prove anymore?
4. It’s funded on the hope that we’ll be living a Star Trek life one day! Sorry, but the laws of physics will keep you from ever leaving our little green planet.
5. Maybe we could colonize mars? Nope, NASA won’t even colonize the moon! They’d rather let dude’s muscles waste away in the ISS.
6. But we have velcro! What did we ever do without VELCRO?

Sure… we waste a lot of taxpayer money on a lot of stuff: wars, election campaigns, and supporting large numbers of “Welfare” drug habits. But that doesn’t mean we should be looking to waste more money on a defunct space program.

/END QUOTE

I have no ideas what to say to such a person.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ll have a go at providing some constructive responses here...

1) A) By providing jobs for &quot;nerds&quot; (or, more correctly, engineers and scientists), the Apollo programme gave the USA some of the best engineers in the world.  When they left NASA, many of them contributed that education to other projects.
1) B) Also employ many more manufacturing folks than engineers or scientists - after all, who &lt;i&gt;builds&lt;/i&gt; all the stuff that the engineers design?

2) A) If you feel you do not benefit from pictures, you are looking at the question in the wrong light.  The &quot;pictures&quot; (actually, renderings from scientific data collected by something far more sophisticated than a mere camera) provide information that has never before been known.  Not only does this fuel scientific discovery about the universe of which we are a part, it also fulfils other aspects of being human - such as the curiosity to explore and to discover, and the wonder and satisfaction of understanding what we observe.
2) B) Beautiful images of our solar system and the universe at large benefit hundreds of millions of people.  Or do you begrudge anyone the pleasure of viewing something beautiful?  (Potentially add in references to the Louvre or the Uffizi Gallery that house some of the world&#039;s finest works of art.)

3) Has not been true for over 20 years.  NASA is about exploration and discovery.  Apollo was funded out of flag-waving fervour, but NASA nevertheless managed to get good science out of it.

4) Please cite where this information comes from - because it sounds like someone making stuff up on the spot.

5) NASA has never been given funding to colonise the moon.  Likewise Mars.  And, you know what?  The new NASA director recently pointed out what role the ISS will need to play in understanding the gruelling journey to Mars.  While the ISS (NB not exclusively funded by NASA) has not fulfilled its potential, it has a vital role to play in preparing for any deep-space manned mission.

6) We had velcro before NASA.  What you fail to notice is that we have dozens of satellites surrounding the Earth doing science all the time so we can better understand our planet.  So we have better weather forecasts; we have continuous information about climate change; we have continuous information about the stratospheric ozone layer; we have infomartion about deforestation in Indonesia or Amazonia that can inform studies of biodiversity and habitat loss.  We also have satellites around the sun, observing, collecting data, enabling us to learn more about it, and hence, inter alia, we can get advance warning coronal mass ejections that might head in our direction and black out power grids and destroy communications and TV satellites.  Everyone on the planet benefits directly from this information in one way or another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aleksanar said:</p>
<blockquote><p>QUOTE:</p>
<p>Nasa:<br />
1. Provides jobs for nerds that would instead be addicted to WOW.<br />
2. Gives us pictures. Thats right: PICTURES! I have yet to benefit from a picture, I’d rather have lower taxes, even if its $1.00 less (that’s a coke!)<br />
3. It’s a relic of the cold-war space race. What do we need to prove anymore?<br />
4. It’s funded on the hope that we’ll be living a Star Trek life one day! Sorry, but the laws of physics will keep you from ever leaving our little green planet.<br />
5. Maybe we could colonize mars? Nope, NASA won’t even colonize the moon! They’d rather let dude’s muscles waste away in the ISS.<br />
6. But we have velcro! What did we ever do without VELCRO?</p>
<p>Sure… we waste a lot of taxpayer money on a lot of stuff: wars, election campaigns, and supporting large numbers of “Welfare” drug habits. But that doesn’t mean we should be looking to waste more money on a defunct space program.</p>
<p>/END QUOTE</p>
<p>I have no ideas what to say to such a person.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ll have a go at providing some constructive responses here&#8230;</p>
<p>1) A) By providing jobs for &#8220;nerds&#8221; (or, more correctly, engineers and scientists), the Apollo programme gave the USA some of the best engineers in the world.  When they left NASA, many of them contributed that education to other projects.<br />
1) B) Also employ many more manufacturing folks than engineers or scientists &#8211; after all, who <i>builds</i> all the stuff that the engineers design?</p>
<p>2) A) If you feel you do not benefit from pictures, you are looking at the question in the wrong light.  The &#8220;pictures&#8221; (actually, renderings from scientific data collected by something far more sophisticated than a mere camera) provide information that has never before been known.  Not only does this fuel scientific discovery about the universe of which we are a part, it also fulfils other aspects of being human &#8211; such as the curiosity to explore and to discover, and the wonder and satisfaction of understanding what we observe.<br />
2) B) Beautiful images of our solar system and the universe at large benefit hundreds of millions of people.  Or do you begrudge anyone the pleasure of viewing something beautiful?  (Potentially add in references to the Louvre or the Uffizi Gallery that house some of the world&#8217;s finest works of art.)</p>
<p>3) Has not been true for over 20 years.  NASA is about exploration and discovery.  Apollo was funded out of flag-waving fervour, but NASA nevertheless managed to get good science out of it.</p>
<p>4) Please cite where this information comes from &#8211; because it sounds like someone making stuff up on the spot.</p>
<p>5) NASA has never been given funding to colonise the moon.  Likewise Mars.  And, you know what?  The new NASA director recently pointed out what role the ISS will need to play in understanding the gruelling journey to Mars.  While the ISS (NB not exclusively funded by NASA) has not fulfilled its potential, it has a vital role to play in preparing for any deep-space manned mission.</p>
<p>6) We had velcro before NASA.  What you fail to notice is that we have dozens of satellites surrounding the Earth doing science all the time so we can better understand our planet.  So we have better weather forecasts; we have continuous information about climate change; we have continuous information about the stratospheric ozone layer; we have infomartion about deforestation in Indonesia or Amazonia that can inform studies of biodiversity and habitat loss.  We also have satellites around the sun, observing, collecting data, enabling us to learn more about it, and hence, inter alia, we can get advance warning coronal mass ejections that might head in our direction and black out power grids and destroy communications and TV satellites.  Everyone on the planet benefits directly from this information in one way or another.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/24/the-big-picture-enceladus/comment-page-1/#comment-128788</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MadHussein LOLscientist FCD said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;OK, NASA screws up sometimes, and that’s what seems to get all the publicity. The good stuff like this, the stuff that makes it worth all the aggravation, usually gets buried back in section D of the newspaper or right before signoff on the Friday late evening news.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Don&#039;t forget, of course, that Cassini is a joint venture of NASA, ESA and API.  It must be that Italian engineering know-how that makes all the difference ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MadHussein LOLscientist FCD said:</p>
<blockquote><p>OK, NASA screws up sometimes, and that’s what seems to get all the publicity. The good stuff like this, the stuff that makes it worth all the aggravation, usually gets buried back in section D of the newspaper or right before signoff on the Friday late evening news.</p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget, of course, that Cassini is a joint venture of NASA, ESA and API.  It must be that Italian engineering know-how that makes all the difference <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Aleksandar

Try telling them that if it wasn&#039;t for mankind&#039;s burning curiosity about what&#039;s over the horizon, he would have never stepped down from the tree to walk upright towards that horizon; space is the final frontier. 

Furthermore, if we don&#039;t, another country will, as China and India have shown recently. 

If that doesn&#039;t convince them, then tell them to &lt;i&gt;go and visit a taxidermist on their own behalf!&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Aleksandar</p>
<p>Try telling them that if it wasn&#8217;t for mankind&#8217;s burning curiosity about what&#8217;s over the horizon, he would have never stepped down from the tree to walk upright towards that horizon; space is the final frontier. </p>
<p>Furthermore, if we don&#8217;t, another country will, as China and India have shown recently. </p>
<p>If that doesn&#8217;t convince them, then tell them to <i>go and visit a taxidermist on their own behalf!</i></p>
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		<title>By: Aleksandar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aleksandar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, in the comments on the site, there are several &quot;we cant fix any of our problems on Earth and we waste money on useless space exploration&quot;.
Some good people tried to defend cause by saying how small part of Federal budget NASA was and so on...

Response by somene:
QUOTE:

      Nasa:
      1. Provides jobs for nerds that would instead be addicted to WOW.
      2. Gives us pictures. Thats right: PICTURES! I have yet to benefit from a picture, I&#039;d      rather have lower taxes, even if its $1.00 less (that&#039;s a coke!)
      3. It&#039;s a relic of the cold-war space race. What do we need to prove anymore?
      4. It&#039;s funded on the hope that we&#039;ll be living a Star Trek life one day! Sorry, but the laws of physics will keep you from ever leaving our little green planet.
      5. Maybe we could colonize mars? Nope, NASA won&#039;t even colonize the moon! They&#039;d rather let dude&#039;s muscles waste away in the ISS.
      6. But we have velcro! What did we ever do without VELCRO?

      Sure... we waste a lot of taxpayer money on a lot of stuff: wars, election campaigns,   and     supporting large numbers of &quot;Welfare&quot; drug habits. But that doesn&#039;t mean we should    be looking to waste more money on a defunct space program.


/END QUOTE

I have no ideas what to say to such a person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, in the comments on the site, there are several &#8220;we cant fix any of our problems on Earth and we waste money on useless space exploration&#8221;.<br />
Some good people tried to defend cause by saying how small part of Federal budget NASA was and so on&#8230;</p>
<p>Response by somene:<br />
QUOTE:</p>
<p>      Nasa:<br />
      1. Provides jobs for nerds that would instead be addicted to WOW.<br />
      2. Gives us pictures. Thats right: PICTURES! I have yet to benefit from a picture, I&#8217;d      rather have lower taxes, even if its $1.00 less (that&#8217;s a coke!)<br />
      3. It&#8217;s a relic of the cold-war space race. What do we need to prove anymore?<br />
      4. It&#8217;s funded on the hope that we&#8217;ll be living a Star Trek life one day! Sorry, but the laws of physics will keep you from ever leaving our little green planet.<br />
      5. Maybe we could colonize mars? Nope, NASA won&#8217;t even colonize the moon! They&#8217;d rather let dude&#8217;s muscles waste away in the ISS.<br />
      6. But we have velcro! What did we ever do without VELCRO?</p>
<p>      Sure&#8230; we waste a lot of taxpayer money on a lot of stuff: wars, election campaigns,   and     supporting large numbers of &#8220;Welfare&#8221; drug habits. But that doesn&#8217;t mean we should    be looking to waste more money on a defunct space program.</p>
<p>/END QUOTE</p>
<p>I have no ideas what to say to such a person.</p>
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		<title>By: Mad Hussein LOLscientist, FCD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mad Hussein LOLscientist, FCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 04:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, of course I meant &quot;flickr.&quot; we can has preview button? pls? kthxbai.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, of course I meant &#8220;flickr.&#8221; we can has preview button? pls? kthxbai.</p>
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