Click on my name for a link to the Texas Freedom Network:
EVOLUTION, CREATIONISM & PUBLIC SCHOOLS:
Surveying What Texas Scientists Think about Educating
Our Kids in the 21st Century

The survey puts the smackdown on all those who think there’s any controversy regarding evolution and intelligent design in the scientific community.

Click on my name for a link to the Texas Freedom Network:
EVOLUTION, CREATIONISM & PUBLIC SCHOOLS:
Surveying What Texas Scientists Think about Educating
Our Kids in the 21st Century

The survey puts the smackdown on all those who think there’s any controversy regarding evolution and intelligent design in the scientific community.

[...]16 “So it was, when all the men of war had finally perished from among the people, 17 that the LORD spoke to me, saying: 18 ‘This day you are to cross over at Ar, the boundary of Moab. 19 And when you come near the people of Ammon, do not harass them or meddle with them, for I will not give you any of the land of the people of Ammon as a possession, because I have given it to the descendants of Lot as a possession.’”

It appears that God has a soft spot for inbred people.

[...]20 (That was also regarded as a land of giants; [b] giants formerly dwelt there. But the Ammonites call them Zamzummim, 21 a people as great and numerous and tall as the Anakim. But the LORD destroyed them before them, and they dispossessed them and dwelt in their place, 22 just as He had done for the descendants of Esau, who dwelt in Seir, when He destroyed the Horites from before them. They dispossessed them and dwelt in their place, even to this day.

However, it appears that God hates basketball players.

And this [is] why

King Sihon Defeated

26 And I sent messengers from the Wilderness of Kedemoth to Sihon king of Heshbon, with words of peace, saying…

[...]

37 Only you did not go near the land of the people of Ammon—anywhere along the River Jabbok, or to the cities of the mountains, or wherever the LORD our God had forbidden us.

So that’s why Moses was so pissed off!

I guess you forgot to mention why this happen, that is why I am here to help you out

Much obliged, I don’t know how I can manage without you(!).

Deuteronomy 3:1-11

King Og Defeated

3 So the LORD our God also delivered into our hands Og king of Bashan, with all his people, and we attacked him until he had no survivors remaining. 4 And we took all his cities at that time; there was not a city which we did not take from them: sixty cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. 5 All these cities were fortified with high walls, gates, and bars, besides a great many rural towns. 6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did to Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children of every city. 7 But all the livestock and the spoil of the cities we took as booty for ourselves.

“[W]e utterly destroyed [sixty cities]“?! It’s a good Job that they did not have thermonuclear weapons in those days because they would not have had any “booty” left to plunder, and the meek– flies, rats, and cockroaches — would have, then, certainly inherited the Earth.

11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of the giants.[a] Indeed his bedstead was an iron bedstead. (Is it not in Rabbah of the people of Ammon?) Nine cubits is its length and four cubits its width, according to the standard cubit. [So, one basketball player survived, eh?]

That’s why they were being attacked

Yes, it’s all clear now — “booty”!

I hate to repeat myself but read the whole chapter my friend ok here it is

2 Kings 18

Hezekiah Reigns in Judah

1 Now it came to pass in the third year of Hoshea the son of Elah, king of Israel, that Hezekiah the son of Ahaz, king of Judah, began to reign. 2 He was twenty-five years old when he became king, and he reigned twenty-nine years in Jerusalem. His mother’s name was Abi[a] the daughter of Zechariah.

What a minute, according to this, Hezekiah, the son of Ahaz, began to reign when he was 25 years’ old, but his father was 36 years’ old when Hezekiah took over, according to 2 Kings 16:2. So Ahaz was only eleven years’ old when he fathered Hezekiah! Explain away that one, Angel.

[...] and that is the reason as to why the parable was said you understand what a parable is [?].

Yeah, I know what a parable is, but do you know?

parable n. 1. A short allegorical story designed to illustrate or teach some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson. 2. A statement or comment that conveys a meaning indirectly by the use of comparison, analogy, or the like. Synonyms: allegory, apologue, fable, legend, moral, myth, story, tale, lesson, teaching.

That’s what the Bible is: a collection of fables, legends, myths, stories, tales, etc., not scientific facts. Therefore, it is the Bible that is a book of “fairy tales” — a talking serpent in Genesis 3:1, and a talking donkey in Num. 22: 29-30, for example — andnot books on the subject of The Theory of Evolution/The Big Bang Theory.

And here’s why that happen just helping you out [Well, Duh(!)]
Judges 19

The Levite’s Concubine

[... (See Angel's post above. This is just to spare everyone from any further tediousness) ]

However I prefer the end to be positive instead of negative. When we teach our children one side of the spectrum and not the other, we are not educating them we are indoctrinating them. That is why I must ask you where do we get our rights, if you said man you are wrong because man including u and me are inherently evil.

Inherently evil?! Well, you speak for yourself, madam. The reason why you think that is because it has been inculcated into you since your birth by your religious parents, your religious teachers at school, the priest at your local church, etc., which is how the religious ‘meme’ is spread. Religious establishments, of various sorts throughout the history of man, have created this mythical disease of “inherent evil” for the sole purpose of psychological mind control of the masses, to which they and they alone can provide the ‘cure’ through repentance (usually in the form of a regular monetary donation to the church) and salvation.

As to the question: where do we get our morals from? Well, it’s certainly not from the Bible, that’s for sure — see the Crusades. Our morals evolved through mutual co-operation with our own kind; e.g., you scratch my back, and I’ll scratch your back. It’s called altruism, and similar behaviour has been observed in many animals such as penguins who huddle together during severe weather, not because they believe in some great penguin god, but because of mutual benefit in doing so for survival — “survival of the nicest” — whereas the selfish penguin who chooses to stand alone, dies.

I don’t care what you believe you believe what you want, but neither you nor me can impose our believes on others. However if we both showed them then we must let them make up their own mind Ivan that is what I want for the children why can you. Where is the freedom loving in your arguments nowhere, but my message is simple let the other side have a voice and let those who are receiving the message to make a choice.

I don’t care what you choose to believe, either, and yes you’re right, for once, we can’t impose our beliefs on other people just as we cannot take a fish out of water; it will just flap about gasping, and eventually die. A fish has to evolve itself over successive generations from its dependence on water and to be able to crawl on land, which is what happened several hundred million years ago, but you don’t believe that, do you?
In your closing argument, Angel, you suggest that “the other side have a voice and let those who are receiving the message to make a choice”. I presume that you mean your particular brand of religious belief (evangelical Christianity?), but not the other brands such as the Catholic “man made religion mixed with the faith of Christianity”, or Muslim, or Buddhist, eh? How about having neo-Nazi holocaust deniers in history class giving their alternative view of history without any hard concrete evidence to back up their claims? How about Phlogiston theory in chemistry class? Geocentric theory in astronomy class? Flat Earth believers in geography class? Hollow Earth believers in geology class? (It would be fun watching to last two fight each other. )

Finally, to see a picture story of the above verses in Judges 19 (Levite’s Concubine), click on my name.

14 But Samuel said, “What then is this bleating of the sheep in my ears, and the lowing of the oxen which I hear?” 15 And Saul said, “They have brought them from the Amalekites; for the people spared the best of the sheep and the oxen, to sacrifice to the LORD your God; and the rest we have utterly destroyed.”

Rule #022 A wise man can hear profit in the wind.
Rule #092 There are many paths to profit.
Rule #162 Even at the worst of times, someone turns a profit.

18 “Now the LORD sent you on a mission, and said, ‘Go, and utterly destroy the sinners, the Amalekites, and fight against them until they are consumed.’ 19 Why then did you not obey the voice of the LORD? Why did you swoop down on the spoil, and do evil in the sight of the LORD?”
20 And Saul said to Samuel, “But I have obeyed the voice of the LORD, and gone on the mission on which the LORD sent me, and brought back Agag king of Amalek; I have utterly destroyed the Amalekites. 21 But the people took of the plunder, sheep and oxen, the best of the things which should have been utterly destroyed, to sacrifice to the LORD your God in Gilgal.”

Rule #202 The justification for profit is profit.
Rule #267 If you believe it, they believe it.
Rule #277 Anything worth fighting for is worth hiding from.

22 So Samuel said: “Has the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, As in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams. 23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, He also has rejected you from being king.”

Rule #041 Profit is its own reward.
Rule #077 It is better to swallow your pride than lose a profit.

24 Then Saul said to Samuel, “I have sinned, for I have transgressed the commandment of the LORD and your words, because I feared the people and obeyed their voice. 25 Now therefore, please pardon my sin, and return with me, that I may worship the LORD.”

Rule #015 Acting stupid is often smart.
Rule #060 Keep your lies consistent.

30 Then he said, “I have sinned; yet honor me now, please, before the elders of my people and before Israel, and return with me, that I may worship the LORD your God.” 31 So Samuel turned back after Saul, and Saul worshiped the LORD.

Rule #033 It never hurts to suck up to the boss.
Rule #050 Gratitude can bring on generosity.

32 Then Samuel said, “Bring Agag king of the Amalekites here to me.” So Agag came to him cautiously. And Agag said, “Surely the bitterness of death is past.” 33 But Samuel said, “As your sword has made women childless, so shall your mother be childless among women.” And Samuel hacked Agag in pieces before the LORD in Gilgal.

Samuel is one seriously pissed off dude, probably because his ‘God’ is a bad influence.

Here is the reason why The Amelekites where destroy (sic)
Exodus 17:8

The Amalekites came and attacked the Israelites at Rephidim.
For attacking at that time they defeated Amelekites however God need it to test Saul in order for Saul to be King of Israel, although I wouldn’t agree to destroy the Amelekites however the Israelites were mortal enemies so what are you going to do.

I see, so God was pissed off because of what Amalek did about 400 years’ earlier. Well, that explains it, then(!).

Ok here is the whole Chapter Remember yes the brutal times but there were reasons

Deuteronomy 2

The Desert Years

[...]

6 You shall buy food from them with money, that you may eat; and you shall also buy water from them with money, that you may drink.

Rule #003 Never spend more for an acquisition than you have to.
Rule #020 Only give money to people you know you can steal from.

7 For the LORD your God has blessed you in all the work of your hand. He knows your trudging through this great wilderness. These forty years the LORD your God has been with you; you have lacked nothing.

Why did it take the Israelites 40 years’ to travel from Egypt to Canaan, when such a journey, even at that time, would have taken no more than ten days? Their navigator sucked!

[...]9 Then the LORD said to me, ‘Do not harass Moab, nor contend with them in battle, for I will not give you any of their land as a possession, because I have given Ar to the descendants of Lot as a possession.’

So, God gave the Moabites and the Ammonites special protection since they were the descendants of Lot’s drunken, incestuous affair with his daughters — Gen. 19:30-38 (Click on my name to view an picture story).

9 But Saul and the people spared Agag and the best of the sheep, the oxen, the fatlings, the lambs, and all that was good, and were unwilling to utterly destroy them. But everything despised and worthless, that they utterly destroyed.

Now that makes good business sense. Why kill the animals when you can sell them off for profit?

Ferengi Rules of Acquisition that apply in this case:

#002 The best deal is the one that brings the most profit.
#009 Opportunity plus instinct equals profit.
#010 Greed is eternal.
#012 Anything worth doing is worth doing for money.
#029 What’s in it for me?
#034 War is good for business.
#037 If it’s free, take it and worry about the hidden costs later.
#041 Profit has its own reward.
#042 What’s mine is mine, and what’s yours is mine, too.
#049 Everything is worth something to somebody.
#052 Never ask when you can take.
#061 Never buy what can be stolen.

Saul Rejected as King

10 Now the word of the LORD came to Samuel, saying, 11 “I greatly regret that I have set up Saul as king, for he has turned back from following Me, and has not performed My commandments.” And it grieved Samuel, and he cried out to the LORD all night.[ ]

Rule #089 Ask not what what your [prophets] can do for you, ask what you can do for your profits.

For a picture story version of the above verses, click on my name.

Oh, Gordon Bennett! This is getting to be bloody tedious, but it can’t go unanswered.

Oh my good friend Ivan, why are you taking the verses out of context[?]

Why do you creationist Christians take quotes from Charles Darwin, Albert Einstein, Prof. Stephen Hawkins, Prof. Richard Dawkins, et al., and twist them to fit your arguments, then?

Keep in mind the times were far more different in those days. So if I was captive I would do anything in my power to get out of that situation. But the verse doesn’t imply let me grab my children and mash them against rocks. It simply implies let sing a song and describe how Baylonians (sic) treat their own people is not suggesting nor commanding to murder your own kids here is the whole chapter.

I never suggested that it implies that you should “grab [your] children and mash them against rocks.” What the verse does imply is that you should smash the children of your enemies against the rocks, in order to “repays you as you have served us!”

Towards the end of World War II, the Russian Red Army carried out some despicable acts against German civilians, but even they did not sink to that level despite the atrocities perpetrated by the Nazis — who had on their belt buckles the words: Gott Mit Uns (God With Us).

Ok moving along Hosea 13:16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
Rough verse I give you that but again you just pick and choose and did not read the whole chapter let me help you out Ivan.

Well, thank you very much, that’s mighty neighbourly of you(!).

If you read it all you will find out that in that time The Creator and Master of this Universe is a Jealous and Firm God who blesses and punish the people of Israel for their disobedience it was tough times back then.

In Exodus chapter 20:3-6 3 You shall have no other gods before Me. 4 You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

There you go Ivan they were warn before so why are you calling this a black verse I don’t think so.

Oh, I see now(!). What you are saying is that this ‘God’ is a “Jealous and Firm God”, who allegedly is “The Creator and Master of this Universe”, but has the attitude problem of a petulant and vindictive 15-year-old school-girl who had been jilted by her boy-friend, and he will get seriously pissed off with anyone who incurs his displeasure by worshiping another deity. Maybe God should punish his Public Relations and Marketing consultants instead for doing a half-assed job selling “The Creator and Master of [The] Universe” to the people.

I ask you, Angel, would you marry a man that had such an attitude problem as your God? Probably not, unless you have some sort of masochistic tendency and a glutton for punishment.

Next verse Isaiah 13:15-16 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished. Strong words no doubt but unfortunately for you there is a whole chapter that explain why are these actions are taking place, here it goes reading is amazing Ivan check this out:

Isaiah 13
Proclamation Against Babylon

[... (See Angel's post above. This avoids tediousness of quoting everything. )]

We have a non material thing call sense of justice, when someone does you wrong what ever it is steals, hurts or murder some one in your family you Ivan not only will want justice you will demand it. [...] It is God’s Wrath by predicting what would happen to the Babylonians, through the Persians. It was rough times back then. Read history it helps.

I don’t know kind of “justice” you, Angel, subscribe to, but to me that sounds like Total War, where there is less differentiation between combatants and civilians than in other conflicts, as nearly every person from a particular country, civilians and soldiers alike, can be considered to be part of the belligerent war effort.

After Nazi Germany was defeated, there was no indiscriminate slaughter of the innocents as advocated in those Bible verses, but instead we had the Nuremberg Trials — those directly responsible for the war crimes of Nazi Germany were given a fair trial, judged, then executed or served a term of imprisonment. That is what is known in a civilized society as “justice”, not the mindless barbarian slaughter of men, women, and children as advocated in the Bible — which is what gave the Crusaders the excuse(s) for their actions; when asked by a Crusader how to distinguish the Cathars from the Catholics, abbot Arnaul Amalric answered: “Tuez-les tous; Dieu reconnaitra les siens.” (Kill them all; for the Lord knoweth them that are His).

This is the whole chapter

1 Samuel 15

Saul Spares King Agag

1 Samuel also said to Saul, “The LORD sent me to anoint you king over His people, over Israel. Now therefore, heed the voice of the words of the LORD. 2 Thus says the LORD of hosts: ‘I will punish Amalek for what he did to Israel, how he ambushed him on the way when he came up from Egypt. 3 Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey’.”

Er… what did the “infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey” do to deserve this?

For a picture story version of the above verses, click on my name.

What do you think they teach in those countries that have passed us, creationism or evolution?

Why are we seeing many people being arrested for exercising their God given right to free speech. Why are teenagers riding on skateboards being arrested for riding on the darn things. Why are old people being tased, pregnant, children. Why do we need tasers.
Why are reporters, lawyers, and people being arrested for disagreeing for whatever the hell.

If this is really happening where you live, I urge you to contact the ACLU immediately.

The reason why I said the above is simple if we all had follow what our founders set in stone as the Law of the land we would not be in the situation we are in. The Constitution is mainly derived from the Bible.

Here’s a fun game. Take a copy of the constitution and compare it to Mosaic Law. Then compare the constitution to Islamic Law. Which one does it most closely resemble?

This tittle is so right but unfortunately as long as evolution is the predominant religion class in our schools our children will continue to be indoctrinated and not given the chance to alternative theories. Let’s face it folks we are attacking one another and moving away from the subject at hand. You will not agree with me just as much as I. I will continue to pray that both evolution and Creation are thought side by side so that our children make a choice on their own. Unfortunately that is not going to happen since we all have been deceive since our birth.

Those of you that have a birth certificate well bad news the original copy is at the hands of Dept. Commerce what you have is a copy, the Doctor lie to your parents. Blacks Law Dictionary translates Commerce as one of three Sexual Intercourse, Interesting. You all have a SSN right what for, well if you are born in this country you don’t need one but you are not a 1st class citizen oh no, you are a 2nd class citizen where your rights come from the government oh no, oh yes. Since the inception of the Dept. of Education in the 60′s our great education went from 1st place all of way down to 24th place out of 30th places from major industrialized 1st world countries. Why do each and everyone of you need to pay Income Tax when none of you are federal employees.

Why are we seeing many people being arrested for exercising their God given right to free speech. Why are teenagers riding on skateboards being arrested for riding on the darn things. Why are old people being tased, pregnant, children. Why do we need tasers.
Why are reporters, lawyers, and people being arrested for disagreeing for whatever the hell.

Folks I am afraid that each and everyone of us are already slaves to a system of laws that were inserted by men, that undermine the Constitution, your liberties and my liberties.

Call me paranoid, call me conspiracy theorist, call me nuts I don’t care.

The reason why I said the above is simple if we all had follow what our founders set in stone as the Law of the land we would not be in the situation we are in. The Constitution is mainly derived from the Bible.

Our ignorance we’ll be our undoing, The bible says Psalm 37:11 (New King James Version)
New King James Version (NKJV)

11 But the meek shall inherit the earth,
And shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

Dictionary.com defines Meek as overly submissive or compliant; spiritless; tame.

But we are not in control not anymore this country is no longer for the people and by the people. Is By the government, Corporation(Capital Fascism). We can see that already how This Government against the wishes of the people and against the Constitution pass the Bailout, including Our Elect President Obama. Count on the same crap you got From Bush
because it could get worse(Obama).

I brought all of this because this is the result of our Laziness, our ignorance, our complacency, our “is not going to happen to me”, well if is happening to others eventually it will happen to you. Bottom line we transfer our liberties and now well is up to you where are we going to go, so far you have chosen Slavery. One last thing if you respond without checking any of this I rest my case. Welcome To the NWO ladies and Gents.

I honestly don’t know what you’re responding to sometimes. I don’t remember making this personal, at least not as personal as you’ve made it. I do recall you saying people who believe in evolution will be recycled and forgotten. I’m not sure what that means, but it seems pretty personal to me. You also said “the idea of a creator doesn’t sit well with evolutionists because they don’t want someone telling them what to do”, which I refuted because it’s false and silly.

Every one lies not just christians my dear Jose, you and me and everyone else so don’t accuse of the impossible ok Pal. We have cheated, stolen, committed adultery, and murder all of us are guilty of this crimes all of us.

All I said was that I believe people who believe the Bible is the word of God are more likely to do these things. I didn’t say or imply that only Christians do them.

Is it personal if I tell you you’re not really making sense any more? Are you sure you’re not a little angry?

While I (I guess) admire your skeptical approach, your sourcing is horrid. Your logical trails are fraught with mistakes, and your conclusions are wholly unsupportable.

Judges 19:22-29 Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, “Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.” (Yes, in the biblical sense. )
And the man, the master of the house, went out unto them, and said unto them, “Nay, my brethren, nay, I pray you, do not so wickedly; seeing that this man is come into mine house, do not this folly.
“Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing.”
But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go.
Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man’s house where her lord was, till it was light.
And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way: and, behold, the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold.
And he said unto her, “Up, and let us be going.” But none answered. Then the man took her up upon an ass, and the man rose up, and gat him unto his place.
And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel.

Judges 19:22-29 Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, “Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.” (Yes, in the biblical sense. )
And the man, the master of the house, went out unto them, and said unto them, “Nay, my brethren, nay, I pray you, do not so wickedly; seeing that this man is come into mine house, do not this folly.
“Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing.”
But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go.
Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man’s house where her lord was, till it was light.
And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way: and, behold, the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold.
And he said unto her, “Up, and let us be going.” But none answered. Then the man took her up upon an ass, and the man rose up, and gat him unto his place.
And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel.

And here’s why that happen just helping you out

Judges 19
The Levite’s Concubine
1 And it came to pass in those days, when there was no king in Israel, that there was a certain Levite staying in the remote mountains of Ephraim. He took for himself a concubine from Bethlehem in Judah. 2 But his concubine played the harlot against him, and went away from him to her father’s house at Bethlehem in Judah, and was there four whole months. 3 Then her husband arose and went after her, to speak kindly to her and bring her back, having his servant and a couple of donkeys with him. So she brought him into her father’s house; and when the father of the young woman saw him, he was glad to meet him. 4 Now his father-in-law, the young woman’s father, detained him; and he stayed with him three days. So they ate and drank and lodged there.
5 Then it came to pass on the fourth day that they arose early in the morning, and he stood to depart; but the young woman’s father said to his son-in-law, “Refresh your heart with a morsel of bread, and afterward go your way.”
6 So they sat down, and the two of them ate and drank together. Then the young woman’s father said to the man, “Please be content to stay all night, and let your heart be merry.” 7 And when the man stood to depart, his father-in-law urged him; so he lodged there again. 8 Then he arose early in the morning on the fifth day to depart, but the young woman’s father said, “Please refresh your heart.” So they delayed until afternoon; and both of them ate.
9 And when the man stood to depart—he and his concubine and his servant—his father-in-law, the young woman’s father, said to him, “Look, the day is now drawing toward evening; please spend the night. See, the day is coming to an end; lodge here, that your heart may be merry. Tomorrow go your way early, so that you may get home.”
10 However, the man was not willing to spend that night; so he rose and departed, and came opposite Jebus (that is, Jerusalem). With him were the two saddled donkeys; his concubine was also with him. 11 They were near Jebus, and the day was far spent; and the servant said to his master, “Come, please, and let us turn aside into this city of the Jebusites and lodge in it.”
12 But his master said to him, “We will not turn aside here into a city of foreigners, who are not of the children of Israel; we will go on to Gibeah.” 13 So he said to his servant, “Come, let us draw near to one of these places, and spend the night in Gibeah or in Ramah.” 14 And they passed by and went their way; and the sun went down on them near Gibeah, which belongs to Benjamin. 15 They turned aside there to go in to lodge in Gibeah. And when he went in, he sat down in the open square of the city, for no one would take them into his house to spend the night.
16 Just then an old man came in from his work in the field at evening, who also was from the mountains of Ephraim; he was staying in Gibeah, whereas the men of the place were Benjamites. 17 And when he raised his eyes, he saw the traveler in the open square of the city; and the old man said, “Where are you going, and where do you come from?”
18 So he said to him, “We are passing from Bethlehem in Judah toward the remote mountains of Ephraim; I am from there. I went to Bethlehem in Judah; now I am going to the house of the LORD. But there is no one who will take me into his house, 19 although we have both straw and fodder for our donkeys, and bread and wine for myself, for your female servant, and for the young man who is with your servant; there is no lack of anything.”
20 And the old man said, “Peace be with you! However, let all your needs be my responsibility; only do not spend the night in the open square.” 21 So he brought him into his house, and gave fodder to the donkeys. And they washed their feet, and ate and drank.
Gibeah’s Crime

22 As they were enjoying themselves, suddenly certain men of the city, perverted men,[a] surrounded the house and beat on the door. They spoke to the master of the house, the old man, saying, “Bring out the man who came to your house, that we may know him carnally!”
23 But the man, the master of the house, went out to them and said to them, “No, my brethren! I beg you, do not act so wickedly! Seeing this man has come into my house, do not commit this outrage. 24 Look, here is my virgin daughter and the man’s[b] concubine; let me bring them out now. Humble them, and do with them as you please; but to this man do not do such a vile thing!” 25 But the men would not heed him. So the man took his concubine and brought her out to them. And they knew her and abused her all night until morning; and when the day began to break, they let her go.
26 Then the woman came as the day was dawning, and fell down at the door of the man’s house where her master was, till it was light.
27 When her master arose in the morning, and opened the doors of the house and went out to go his way, there was his concubine, fallen at the door of the house with her hands on the threshold. 28 And he said to her, “Get up and let us be going.” But there was no answer. So the man lifted her onto the donkey; and the man got up and went to his place.
29 When he entered his house he took a knife, laid hold of his concubine, and divided her into twelve pieces, limb by limb,[c] and sent her throughout all the territory of Israel. 30 And so it was that all who saw it said, “No such deed has been done or seen from the day that the children of Israel came up from the land of Egypt until this day. Consider it, confer, and speak up!”

I will say you are right on Sunday school as a child and young adult I never heard of such a thing but as I was getting older and wanting to know more I learn of this things. They were brutal there is no doubt but so were the romans, the Greeks, The Huns, The Mongols, The Chinese and so on. This was the way of the Ancient world. The Israelites were different because they were laying the groundwork to all non believers such as evolutionist and non Christians. There was a beggining and there will be an end.

However I prefer the end to be positive instead of negative. When we teach our children one side of the spectrum and not the other, we are not educating them we are indoctrinating them. That is why I must ask you where do we get our rights, if you said man you are wrong because man including u and me are inherently evil. Therefore a creator which his word have not changed and says don’t lie, don’t commit adultery, you have a problem with that. I don’t care what you believe you believe what you want, but neither you nor me can impose our believes on others. However if we both showed them then we must let them make up their own mind Ivan that is what I want for the children why can you. Where is the freedom loving in your arguments nowhere, but my message is simple let the other side have a voice and let those who are receiving the message to make a choice.

I hate to repeat myself but read the whole chapter my friend ok here it is

2 Kings 18
Hezekiah Reigns in Judah
1 Now it came to pass in the third year of Hoshea the son of Elah, king of Israel, that Hezekiah the son of Ahaz, king of Judah, began to reign. 2 He was twenty-five years old when he became king, and he reigned twenty-nine years in Jerusalem. His mother’s name was Abi[a] the daughter of Zechariah. 3 And he did what was right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that his father David had done.
4 He removed the high places and broke the sacred pillars, cut down the wooden image[b] and broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made; for until those days the children of Israel burned incense to it, and called it Nehushtan.[c] 5 He trusted in the LORD God of Israel, so that after him was none like him among all the kings of Judah, nor who were before him. 6 For he held fast to the LORD; he did not depart from following Him, but kept His commandments, which the LORD had commanded Moses. 7 The LORD was with him; he prospered wherever he went. And he rebelled against the king of Assyria and did not serve him. 8 He subdued the Philistines, as far as Gaza and its territory, from watchtower to fortified city.
9 Now it came to pass in the fourth year of King Hezekiah, which was the seventh year of Hoshea the son of Elah, king of Israel, that Shalmaneser king of Assyria came up against Samaria and besieged it. 10 And at the end of three years they took it. In the sixth year of Hezekiah, that is, the ninth year of Hoshea king of Israel, Samaria was taken. 11 Then the king of Assyria carried Israel away captive to Assyria, and put them in Halah and by the Habor, the River of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes, 12 because they did not obey the voice of the LORD their God, but transgressed His covenant and all that Moses the servant of the LORD had commanded; and they would neither hear nor do them.
13 And in the fourteenth year of King Hezekiah, Sennacherib king of Assyria came up against all the fortified cities of Judah and took them. 14 Then Hezekiah king of Judah sent to the king of Assyria at Lachish, saying, “I have done wrong; turn away from me; whatever you impose on me I will pay.” And the king of Assyria assessed Hezekiah king of Judah three hundred talents of silver and thirty talents of gold. 15 So Hezekiah gave him all the silver that was found in the house of the LORD and in the treasuries of the king’s house. 16 At that time Hezekiah stripped the gold from the doors of the temple of the LORD, and from the pillars which Hezekiah king of Judah had overlaid, and gave it to the king of Assyria.
Sennacherib Boasts Against the LORD

17 Then the king of Assyria sent the Tartan,[d]the Rabsaris,[e]and the Rabshakeh[f] from Lachish, with a great army against Jerusalem, to King Hezekiah. And they went up and came to Jerusalem. When they had come up, they went and stood by the aqueduct from the upper pool, which was on the highway to the Fuller’s Field. 18 And when they had called to the king, Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, who was over the household, Shebna the scribe, and Joah the son of Asaph, the recorder, came out to them. 19 Then the Rabshakeh said to them, “Say now to Hezekiah, ‘Thus says the great king, the king of Assyria: “What confidence is this in which you trust? 20 You speak of having plans and power for war; but they are mere words. And in whom do you trust, that you rebel against me? 21 Now look! You are trusting in the staff of this broken reed, Egypt, on which if a man leans, it will go into his hand and pierce it. So is Pharaoh king of Egypt to all who trust in him. 22 But if you say to me, ‘We trust in the LORD our God,’ is it not He whose high places and whose altars Hezekiah has taken away, and said to Judah and Jerusalem, ‘You shall worship before this altar in Jerusalem’?”’ 23 Now therefore, I urge you, give a pledge to my master the king of Assyria, and I will give you two thousand horses—if you are able on your part to put riders on them! 24 How then will you repel one captain of the least of my master’s servants, and put your trust in Egypt for chariots and horsemen? 25 Have I now come up without the LORD against this place to destroy it? The LORD said to me, ‘Go up against this land, and destroy it.’”
26 Then Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, Shebna, and Joah said to the Rabshakeh, “Please speak to your servants in Aramaic, for we understand it; and do not speak to us in Hebrew[g] in the hearing of the people who are on the wall.”
27 But the Rabshakeh said to them, “Has my master sent me to your master and to you to speak these words, and not to the men who sit on the wall, who will eat and drink their own waste with you?”
28 Then the Rabshakeh stood and called out with a loud voice in Hebrew, and spoke, saying, “Hear the word of the great king, the king of Assyria! 29 Thus says the king: ‘Do not let Hezekiah deceive you, for he shall not be able to deliver you from his hand; 30 nor let Hezekiah make you trust in the LORD, saying, “The LORD will surely deliver us; this city shall not be given into the hand of the king of Assyria.”’ 31 Do not listen to Hezekiah; for thus says the king of Assyria: ‘Make peace with me by a present and come out to me; and every one of you eat from his own vine and every one from his own fig tree, and every one of you drink the waters of his own cistern; 32 until I come and take you away to a land like your own land, a land of grain and new wine, a land of bread and vineyards, a land of olive groves and honey, that you may live and not die. But do not listen to Hezekiah, lest he persuade you, saying, “The LORD will deliver us.” 33 Has any of the gods of the nations at all delivered its land from the hand of the king of Assyria? 34 Where are the gods of Hamath and Arpad? Where are the gods of Sepharvaim and Hena and Ivah? Indeed, have they delivered Samaria from my hand? 35 Who among all the gods of the lands have delivered their countries from my hand, that the LORD should deliver Jerusalem from my hand?’”
36 But the people held their peace and answered him not a word; for the king’s commandment was, “Do not answer him.” 37 Then Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, who was over the household, Shebna the scribe, and Joah the son of Asaph, the recorder, came to Hezekiah with their clothes torn, and told him the words of the Rabshakeh.

and that is the reason as to why the parable was said you understand what a parable is.

Deuteronomy 3:6-7 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Hesbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city.
But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities we took for a prey to ourselves.

I guess you forgot to mention why this happen, that is why I am here to help you out

Deuteronomy 3:1-11
King Og Defeated
1 “Then we turned and went up the road to Bashan; and Og king of Bashan came out against us, he and all his people, to battle at Edrei. 2 And the LORD said to me, ‘Do not fear him, for I have delivered him and all his people and his land into your hand; you shall do to him as you did to Sihon king of the Amorites, who dwelt at Heshbon.’
3 “So the LORD our God also delivered into our hands Og king of Bashan, with all his people, and we attacked him until he had no survivors remaining. 4 And we took all his cities at that time; there was not a city which we did not take from them: sixty cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. 5 All these cities were fortified with high walls, gates, and bars, besides a great many rural towns. 6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did to Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children of every city. 7 But all the livestock and the spoil of the cities we took as booty for ourselves.
8 “And at that time we took the land from the hand of the two kings of the Amorites who were on this side of the Jordan, from the River Arnon to Mount Hermon 9 (the Sidonians call Hermon Sirion, and the Amorites call it Senir), 10 all the cities of the plain, all Gilead, and all Bashan, as far as Salcah and Edrei, cities of the kingdom of Og in Bashan.
11 “For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of the giants.[a] Indeed his bedstead was an iron bedstead. (Is it not in Rabbah of the people of Ammon?) Nine cubits is its length and four cubits its width, according to the standard cubit.

That’s why they were being attacked

Ok here is the whole Chapter Remember yes the brutal times but there were reasons

Deuteronomy 2
The Desert Years
1 “Then we turned and journeyed into the wilderness of the Way of the Red Sea, as the LORD spoke to me, and we skirted Mount Seir for many days.
2 “And the LORD spoke to me, saying: 3 ‘You have skirted this mountain long enough; turn northward. 4 And command the people, saying, “You are about to pass through the territory of your brethren, the descendants of Esau, who live in Seir; and they will be afraid of you. Therefore watch yourselves carefully. 5 Do not meddle with them, for I will not give you any of their land, no, not so much as one footstep, because I have given Mount Seir to Esau as a possession. 6 You shall buy food from them with money, that you may eat; and you shall also buy water from them with money, that you may drink.
7 “For the LORD your God has blessed you in all the work of your hand. He knows your trudging through this great wilderness. These forty years the LORD your God has been with you; you have lacked nothing.”’
8 “And when we passed beyond our brethren, the descendants of Esau who dwell in Seir, away from the road of the plain, away from Elath and Ezion Geber, we turned and passed by way of the Wilderness of Moab. 9 Then the LORD said to me, ‘Do not harass Moab, nor contend with them in battle, for I will not give you any of their land as a possession, because I have given Ar to the descendants of Lot as a possession.’”
10 (The Emim had dwelt there in times past, a people as great and numerous and tall as the Anakim. 11 They were also regarded as giants,[a] like the Anakim, but the Moabites call them Emim. 12 The Horites formerly dwelt in Seir, but the descendants of Esau dispossessed them and destroyed them from before them, and dwelt in their place, just as Israel did to the land of their possession which the LORD gave them.)
13 “‘Now rise and cross over the Valley of the Zered.’ So we crossed over the Valley of the Zered. 14 And the time we took to come from Kadesh Barnea until we crossed over the Valley of the Zered was thirty-eight years, until all the generation of the men of war was consumed from the midst of the camp, just as the LORD had sworn to them. 15 For indeed the hand of the LORD was against them, to destroy them from the midst of the camp until they were consumed.
16 “So it was, when all the men of war had finally perished from among the people, 17 that the LORD spoke to me, saying: 18 ‘This day you are to cross over at Ar, the boundary of Moab. 19 And when you come near the people of Ammon, do not harass them or meddle with them, for I will not give you any of the land of the people of Ammon as a possession, because I have given it to the descendants of Lot as a possession.’”
20 (That was also regarded as a land of giants;[b] giants formerly dwelt there. But the Ammonites call them Zamzummim, 21 a people as great and numerous and tall as the Anakim. But the LORD destroyed them before them, and they dispossessed them and dwelt in their place, 22 just as He had done for the descendants of Esau, who dwelt in Seir, when He destroyed the Horites from before them. They dispossessed them and dwelt in their place, even to this day. 23 And the Avim, who dwelt in villages as far as Gaza—the Caphtorim, who came from Caphtor, destroyed them and dwelt in their place.)
24 “‘Rise, take your journey, and cross over the River Arnon. Look, I have given into your hand Sihon the Amorite, king of Heshbon, and his land. Begin to possess it, and engage him in battle. 25 This day I will begin to put the dread and fear of you upon the nations under the whole heaven, who shall hear the report of you, and shall tremble and be in anguish because of you.’

And this why

King Sihon Defeated

26 “And I sent messengers from the Wilderness of Kedemoth to Sihon king of Heshbon, with words of peace, saying, 27 ‘Let me pass through your land; I will keep strictly to the road, and I will turn neither to the right nor to the left. 28 You shall sell me food for money, that I may eat, and give me water for money, that I may drink; only let me pass through on foot, 29 just as the descendants of Esau who dwell in Seir and the Moabites who dwell in Ar did for me, until I cross the Jordan to the land which the LORD our God is giving us.’
30 “But Sihon king of Heshbon would not let us pass through, for the LORD your God hardened his spirit and made his heart obstinate, that He might deliver him into your hand, as it is this day.
31 “And the LORD said to me, ‘See, I have begun to give Sihon and his land over to you. Begin to possess it, that you may inherit his land.’ 32 Then Sihon and all his people came out against us to fight at Jahaz. 33 And the LORD our God delivered him over to us; so we defeated him, his sons, and all his people. 34 We took all his cities at that time, and we utterly destroyed the men, women, and little ones of every city; we left none remaining. 35 We took only the livestock as plunder for ourselves, with the spoil of the cities which we took. 36 From Aroer, which is on the bank of the River Arnon, and from the city that is in the ravine, as far as Gilead, there was not one city too strong for us; the LORD our God delivered all to us. 37 Only you did not go near the land of the people of Ammon—anywhere along the River Jabbok, or to the cities of the mountains, or wherever the LORD our God had forbidden us.

This is the whole chapter

1 Samuel 15

Saul Spares King Agag

1 Samuel also said to Saul, “The LORD sent me to anoint you king over His people, over Israel. Now therefore, heed the voice of the words of the LORD. 2 Thus says the LORD of hosts: ‘I will punish Amalek for what he did to Israel, how he ambushed him on the way when he came up from Egypt. 3 Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”
4 So Saul gathered the people together and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand foot soldiers and ten thousand men of Judah. 5 And Saul came to a city of Amalek, and lay in wait in the valley.

Not so dark verse wouldn’t you say Ivan

6 Then Saul said to the Kenites, “Go, depart, get down from among the Amalekites, lest I destroy you with them. For you showed kindness to all the children of Israel when they came up out of Egypt.” So the Kenites departed from among the Amalekites.

7 And Saul attacked the Amalekites, from Havilah all the way to Shur, which is east of Egypt. 8 He also took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword. 9 But Saul and the people spared Agag and the best of the sheep, the oxen, the fatlings, the lambs, and all that was good, and were unwilling to utterly destroy them. But everything despised and worthless, that they utterly destroyed.
Saul Rejected as King

10 Now the word of the LORD came to Samuel, saying, 11 “I greatly regret that I have set up Saul as king, for he has turned back from following Me, and has not performed My commandments.” And it grieved Samuel, and he cried out to the LORD all night. 12 So when Samuel rose early in the morning to meet Saul, it was told Samuel, saying, “Saul went to Carmel, and indeed, he set up a monument for himself; and he has gone on around, passed by, and gone down to Gilgal.” 13 Then Samuel went to Saul, and Saul said to him, “Blessed are you of the LORD! I have performed the commandment of the LORD.”
14 But Samuel said, “What then is this bleating of the sheep in my ears, and the lowing of the oxen which I hear?”
15 And Saul said, “They have brought them from the Amalekites; for the people spared the best of the sheep and the oxen, to sacrifice to the LORD your God; and the rest we have utterly destroyed.”
16 Then Samuel said to Saul, “Be quiet! And I will tell you what the LORD said to me last night.”
And he said to him, “Speak on.”
17 So Samuel said, “When you were little in your own eyes, were you not head of the tribes of Israel? And did not the LORD anoint you king over Israel? 18 Now the LORD sent you on a mission, and said, ‘Go, and utterly destroy the sinners, the Amalekites, and fight against them until they are consumed.’ 19 Why then did you not obey the voice of the LORD? Why did you swoop down on the spoil, and do evil in the sight of the LORD?”
20 And Saul said to Samuel, “But I have obeyed the voice of the LORD, and gone on the mission on which the LORD sent me, and brought back Agag king of Amalek; I have utterly destroyed the Amalekites. 21 But the people took of the plunder, sheep and oxen, the best of the things which should have been utterly destroyed, to sacrifice to the LORD your God in Gilgal.”
22 So Samuel said:

“Has the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices,
As in obeying the voice of the LORD?
Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice,
And to heed than the fat of rams.

23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft,
And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.
Because you have rejected the word of the LORD,
He also has rejected you from being king.”
24 Then Saul said to Samuel, “I have sinned, for I have transgressed the commandment of the LORD and your words, because I feared the people and obeyed their voice. 25 Now therefore, please pardon my sin, and return with me, that I may worship the LORD.”
26 But Samuel said to Saul, “I will not return with you, for you have rejected the word of the LORD, and the LORD has rejected you from being king over Israel.”
27 And as Samuel turned around to go away, Saul seized the edge of his robe, and it tore. 28 So Samuel said to him, “The LORD has torn the kingdom of Israel from you today, and has given it to a neighbor of yours, who is better than you. 29 And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor relent. For He is not a man, that He should relent.”
30 Then he said, “I have sinned; yet honor me now, please, before the elders of my people and before Israel, and return with me, that I may worship the LORD your God.” 31 So Samuel turned back after Saul, and Saul worshiped the LORD.
32 Then Samuel said, “Bring Agag king of the Amalekites here to me.” So Agag came to him cautiously.
And Agag said, “Surely the bitterness of death is past.”
33 But Samuel said, “As your sword has made women childless, so shall your mother be childless among women.” And Samuel hacked Agag in pieces before the LORD in Gilgal.
34 Then Samuel went to Ramah, and Saul went up to his house at Gibeah of Saul. 35 And Samuel went no more to see Saul until the day of his death. Nevertheless Samuel mourned for Saul, and the LORD regretted that He had made Saul king over Israel.

Here is the reason why The Amelekites where destroy

Exodus 17:8

The Amalekites came and attacked the Israelites at Rephidim.

For attacking at that time they defeated Amelekites however God need it to test Saul in order for Saul to be King of Israel, although I wouldn’t agree to destroy the Amelekites however the Israelites were mortal enemies so what are you going to do.

Isaiah 13

Proclamation Against Babylon

1 The burden against Babylon which Isaiah the son of Amoz saw.
2 “ Lift up a banner on the high mountain,
Raise your voice to them;
Wave your hand, that they may enter the gates of the nobles.
3 I have commanded My sanctified ones;
I have also called My mighty ones for My anger—
Those who rejoice in My exaltation.”
4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains,
Like that of many people!
A tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together!
The LORD of hosts musters
The army for battle.
5 They come from a far country,
From the end of heaven—
The LORD and His weapons of indignation,
To destroy the whole land.
6 Wail, for the day of the LORD is at hand!
It will come as destruction from the Almighty.
7 Therefore all hands will be limp,
Every man’s heart will melt,
8 And they will be afraid.
Pangs and sorrows will take hold of them;
They will be in pain as a woman in childbirth;
They will be amazed at one another;
Their faces will be like flames.
9 Behold, the day of the LORD comes,
Cruel, with both wrath and fierce anger,
To lay the land desolate;
And He will destroy its sinners from it.
10 For the stars of heaven and their constellations
Will not give their light;
The sun will be darkened in its going forth,
And the moon will not cause its light to shine.
11 “ I will punish the world for its evil,
And the wicked for their iniquity;
I will halt the arrogance of the proud,
And will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
12 I will make a mortal more rare than fine gold,
A man more than the golden wedge of Ophir.
13 Therefore I will shake the heavens,
And the earth will move out of her place,
In the wrath of the LORD of hosts
And in the day of His fierce anger.
14 It shall be as the hunted gazelle,
And as a sheep that no man takes up;
Every man will turn to his own people,
And everyone will flee to his own land.
15 Everyone who is found will be thrust through,
And everyone who is captured will fall by the sword.
16 Their children also will be dashed to pieces before their eyes;
Their houses will be plundered
And their wives ravished.
17 “ Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them,
Who will not regard silver;
And as for gold, they will not delight in it.
18 Also their bows will dash the young men to pieces,
And they will have no pity on the fruit of the womb;
Their eye will not spare children.
19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms,
The beauty of the Chaldeans’ pride,
Will be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
20 It will never be inhabited,
Nor will it be settled from generation to generation;
Nor will the Arabian pitch tents there,
Nor will the shepherds make their sheepfolds there.
21 But wild beasts of the desert will lie there,
And their houses will be full of owls;
Ostriches will dwell there,
And wild goats will caper there.
22 The hyenas will howl in their citadels,
And jackals in their pleasant palaces.
Her time is near to come,
And her days will not be prolonged.”

If you read verse 11 it says 11 “ I will punish the world for its evil,
And the wicked for their iniquity;
I will halt the arrogance of the proud,
And will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

We have a non material thing call sense of justice, when someone does you wrong what ever it is steals, hurts or murder some one in your family you Ivan not only will want justice you will demand it. The same applies above; this goes to the time when the israelite were held into captivity for more than 70 years and after King Nebuchadnezzar said he will release the Israelites he did not kept the end of the bargain. Instead a new Kingdom arose from the East the Medo-Persians remember those guys(Darius, Xerxes). Well this guys took over and brought wrath and sorrow to the Babylonians. That is what the bible is referring in this chapter. It is God’s Wrath by predicting what would happen to the Babylonians, through the Persians. It was rough times back then. Read history it helps. I don’t mean to skip the next verse is all included ok.

Ok moving along Hosea 13:16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
Rough verse I give you that but again you just pick and choose and did not read the whole chapter let me help you out Ivan. If you read it all you will find out that in that time The Creator and Master of this Universe is a Jealous and Firm God who blesses and punish the people of Israel for their disobedience it was tough times back then. In Exodus chapter 20:3-6 3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments. There you go Ivan they were warn before so why are you calling this a black verse I don’t think so. Hosea CH 13 says 1 When Ephraim spoke, trembling,
He exalted himself in Israel;
But when he offended through Baal worship, he died.
2 Now they sin more and more,
And have made for themselves molded images,
Idols of their silver, according to their skill;
All of it is the work of craftsmen.
They say of them,

“ Let the men who sacrifice[a] kiss the calves!”
3 Therefore they shall be like the morning cloud
And like the early dew that passes away,
Like chaff blown off from a threshing floor
And like smoke from a chimney.
4 “ Yet I am the LORD your God
Ever since the land of Egypt,
And you shall know no God but Me;
For there is no savior besides Me.
5 I knew you in the wilderness,
In the land of great drought.
6 When they had pasture, they were filled;
They were filled and their heart was exalted;
Therefore they forgot Me.
7 “ So I will be to them like a lion;
Like a leopard by the road I will lurk;
8 I will meet them like a bear deprived of her cubs;
I will tear open their rib cage,
And there I will devour them like a lion.
The wild beast shall tear them.
9 “ O Israel, you are destroyed,[b]
But your help[c]is from Me.
10 I will be your King;[d]
Where is any other,
That he may save you in all your cities?
And your judges to whom you said,

‘ Give me a king and princes’?
11 I gave you a king in My anger,
And took him away in My wrath.
12 “ The iniquity of Ephraim is bound up;
His sin is stored up.
13 The sorrows of a woman in childbirth shall come upon him.
He is an unwise son,
For he should not stay long where children are born.
14 “ I will ransom them from the power of the grave;[e]
I will redeem them from death.
O Death, I will be your plagues![f]
O Grave,[g] I will be your destruction![h]
Pity is hidden from My eyes.”
15 Though he is fruitful among his brethren,
An east wind shall come;
The wind of the LORD shall come up from the wilderness.
Then his spring shall become dry,
And his fountain shall be dried up.
He shall plunder the treasury of every desirable prize.
16 Samaria is held guilty,[i]
For she has rebelled against her God.
They shall fall by the sword,
Their infants shall be dashed in pieces,
And their women with child ripped open. Do you understand that You obey me because I created this place and the universe therefore I own it, I gave you live and limits and you just going to be ungrateful and rebel against me wrong answer. I don’t care if you grasp that or not I don’t care if those verses frighten you or not, whether you believe that or not, What you must realize that is not going to happen again stop scaring man.

Oh my good friend Ivan, why are you taking the verses out of context.

First Psalms 137:9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
First if you read the whole chapter you realize that it is a song an it relates to a time when the true Israelites where in captivity in the land of Babylon, i tell you what I wouldn’t want to be in their shoes since they suffer greatly at the hands of their captors. Keep in mind the times were far more different in those days. So if I was captive I would do anything in my power to get out of that situation. But the verse doesn’t imply let me grab my children and mash them against rocks. It simply implies let sing a song and describe how Baylonians treat their own people is not suggesting nor commanding to murder your own kids here is the whole chapter.
Psalms 137 1 By the rivers of Babylon,
There we sat down, yea, we wept
When we remembered Zion.
2 We hung our harps
Upon the willows in the midst of it.
3 For there those who carried us away captive asked of us a song,
And those who plundered us requested mirth,
Saying, “Sing us one of the songs of Zion!”
4 How shall we sing the LORD’s song
In a foreign land?
5 If I forget you, O Jerusalem,
Let my right hand forget its skill!
6 If I do not remember you,
Let my tongue cling to the roof of my mouth—
If I do not exalt Jerusalem
Above my chief joy.
7 Remember, O LORD, against the sons of Edom
The day of Jerusalem,
Who said, “Raze it, raze it,
To its very foundation!”
8 O daughter of Babylon, who are to be destroyed,
Happy the one who repays you as you have served us!
9 Happy the one who takes and dashes
Your little ones against the rock!

Every one lies not just christians my dear Jose, you and me and everyone else so don’t accuse of the impossible ok Pal. We have cheated, stolen, committed adultery, and murder all of us are guilty of this crimes all of us. Those that take the word of God as his infallible truth and obey it will have eternal peace and joy forever, while those that choose to refuse it well you know deep down what is going to happen you all feel that worry. If there is one chance that the word is true and you don’t take it at face value then you choose your own destiny, while I already choose mine. By the way I never said to you Jose you don’t believe in God, I was replying to back to your comments stop the anger brother I am not angry at you I worry about my fellow brothers and sisters. Why because there is so much confussion out there man is all insane. I mean you have the Catholics(man made religion mixed with the faith of Christianity), Muslims, Buddhist, Evolutionist(Man made religions) that were created to confuse and lead men away from the truth and make them feel good if you do this simple things, excuse me wrong answer too easy to get away from our crimes, that is not justice no sir.

God bless you all and you may find peace.

Well the Bible talks and prophesied in the last days there will be scoffers(people that don’t like what the bible says) there here and I am talking to a few in this blog right now. Is okay scoff at it I don’t care that is more fuel to your fire not mine.

-If there is a God, and he only cares about whether you’ve led a just life or not, some people who believe in evolution will get into heaven, as well as some people who don’t.

-If there is a God, and he only cares about whether you believe in him or not, then screw him. He’s a pretty crappy God, and heaven is probably like an overcrowded Chuck E Cheese’s anyway (In other words, just like Hell).

Jose is not saying that lying, cheating, adultery or murder are good. He is saying that if someone does not do those things only because of what the Bible says, then that person is a sociopath. A person should not do those things whether they are written in a book or not.

If you believe in evolution you will be recycled and forgotten. If you believe in creation you will face the creator of all live and the universe.

Let me correct that for you. If you believe in evolution [and there is no god], you will be recycled and forgotten. If you believe in creation [and there is no god], you will also be recycled and forgotten. If you believe in evolution [and there is a god], then you will either be cast into a lake of fire or simply dwell outside the presence of god, depending on which interpretation of “hell” is right. If you believe in creation [and there is a god], you will face the creator of all life and the universe.