Click on my name for a link to the Texas Freedom Network:
EVOLUTION, CREATIONISM & PUBLIC SCHOOLS:
Surveying What Texas Scientists Think about Educating
Our Kids in the 21st Century

The survey puts the smackdown on all those who think there’s any controversy regarding evolution and intelligent design in the scientific community.

Click on my name for a link to the Texas Freedom Network:
EVOLUTION, CREATIONISM & PUBLIC SCHOOLS:
Surveying What Texas Scientists Think about Educating
Our Kids in the 21st Century

The survey puts the smackdown on all those who think there’s any controversy regarding evolution and intelligent design in the scientific community.

[...]16 “So it was, when all the men of war had finally perished from among the people, 17 that the LORD spoke to me, saying: 18 ‘This day you are to cross over at Ar, the boundary of Moab. 19 And when you come near the people of Ammon, do not harass them or meddle with them, for I will not give you any of the land of the people of Ammon as a possession, because I have given it to the descendants of Lot as a possession.’”

It appears that God has a soft spot for inbred people.

[...]20 (That was also regarded as a land of giants; [b] giants formerly dwelt there. But the Ammonites call them Zamzummim, 21 a people as great and numerous and tall as the Anakim. But the LORD destroyed them before them, and they dispossessed them and dwelt in their place, 22 just as He had done for the descendants of Esau, who dwelt in Seir, when He destroyed the Horites from before them. They dispossessed them and dwelt in their place, even to this day.

However, it appears that God hates basketball players.

And this [is] why

King Sihon Defeated

26 And I sent messengers from the Wilderness of Kedemoth to Sihon king of Heshbon, with words of peace, saying…

[...]

37 Only you did not go near the land of the people of Ammon—anywhere along the River Jabbok, or to the cities of the mountains, or wherever the LORD our God had forbidden us.

So that’s why Moses was so pissed off!

I guess you forgot to mention why this happen, that is why I am here to help you out

Much obliged, I don’t know how I can manage without you(!).

Deuteronomy 3:1-11

King Og Defeated

3 So the LORD our God also delivered into our hands Og king of Bashan, with all his people, and we attacked him until he had no survivors remaining. 4 And we took all his cities at that time; there was not a city which we did not take from them: sixty cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. 5 All these cities were fortified with high walls, gates, and bars, besides a great many rural towns. 6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did to Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children of every city. 7 But all the livestock and the spoil of the cities we took as booty for ourselves.

“[W]e utterly destroyed [sixty cities]“?! It’s a good Job that they did not have thermonuclear weapons in those days because they would not have had any “booty” left to plunder, and the meek– flies, rats, and cockroaches — would have, then, certainly inherited the Earth.

11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of the giants.[a] Indeed his bedstead was an iron bedstead. (Is it not in Rabbah of the people of Ammon?) Nine cubits is its length and four cubits its width, according to the standard cubit. [So, one basketball player survived, eh?]

That’s why they were being attacked

Yes, it’s all clear now — “booty”!

I hate to repeat myself but read the whole chapter my friend ok here it is

2 Kings 18

Hezekiah Reigns in Judah

1 Now it came to pass in the third year of Hoshea the son of Elah, king of Israel, that Hezekiah the son of Ahaz, king of Judah, began to reign. 2 He was twenty-five years old when he became king, and he reigned twenty-nine years in Jerusalem. His mother’s name was Abi[a] the daughter of Zechariah.

What a minute, according to this, Hezekiah, the son of Ahaz, began to reign when he was 25 years’ old, but his father was 36 years’ old when Hezekiah took over, according to 2 Kings 16:2. So Ahaz was only eleven years’ old when he fathered Hezekiah! Explain away that one, Angel.

[...] and that is the reason as to why the parable was said you understand what a parable is [?].

Yeah, I know what a parable is, but do you know?

parable n. 1. A short allegorical story designed to illustrate or teach some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson. 2. A statement or comment that conveys a meaning indirectly by the use of comparison, analogy, or the like. Synonyms: allegory, apologue, fable, legend, moral, myth, story, tale, lesson, teaching.

That’s what the Bible is: a collection of fables, legends, myths, stories, tales, etc., not scientific facts. Therefore, it is the Bible that is a book of “fairy tales” — a talking serpent in Genesis 3:1, and a talking donkey in Num. 22: 29-30, for example — andnot books on the subject of The Theory of Evolution/The Big Bang Theory.

And here’s why that happen just helping you out [Well, Duh(!)]
Judges 19

The Levite’s Concubine

[... (See Angel's post above. This is just to spare everyone from any further tediousness) ]

However I prefer the end to be positive instead of negative. When we teach our children one side of the spectrum and not the other, we are not educating them we are indoctrinating them. That is why I must ask you where do we get our rights, if you said man you are wrong because man including u and me are inherently evil.

Inherently evil?! Well, you speak for yourself, madam. The reason why you think that is because it has been inculcated into you since your birth by your religious parents, your religious teachers at school, the priest at your local church, etc., which is how the religious ‘meme’ is spread. Religious establishments, of various sorts throughout the history of man, have created this mythical disease of “inherent evil” for the sole purpose of psychological mind control of the masses, to which they and they alone can provide the ‘cure’ through repentance (usually in the form of a regular monetary donation to the church) and salvation.

As to the question: where do we get our morals from? Well, it’s certainly not from the Bible, that’s for sure — see the Crusades. Our morals evolved through mutual co-operation with our own kind; e.g., you scratch my back, and I’ll scratch your back. It’s called altruism, and similar behaviour has been observed in many animals such as penguins who huddle together during severe weather, not because they believe in some great penguin god, but because of mutual benefit in doing so for survival — “survival of the nicest” — whereas the selfish penguin who chooses to stand alone, dies.

I don’t care what you believe you believe what you want, but neither you nor me can impose our believes on others. However if we both showed them then we must let them make up their own mind Ivan that is what I want for the children why can you. Where is the freedom loving in your arguments nowhere, but my message is simple let the other side have a voice and let those who are receiving the message to make a choice.

I don’t care what you choose to believe, either, and yes you’re right, for once, we can’t impose our beliefs on other people just as we cannot take a fish out of water; it will just flap about gasping, and eventually die. A fish has to evolve itself over successive generations from its dependence on water and to be able to crawl on land, which is what happened several hundred million years ago, but you don’t believe that, do you?
In your closing argument, Angel, you suggest that “the other side have a voice and let those who are receiving the message to make a choice”. I presume that you mean your particular brand of religious belief (evangelical Christianity?), but not the other brands such as the Catholic “man made religion mixed with the faith of Christianity”, or Muslim, or Buddhist, eh? How about having neo-Nazi holocaust deniers in history class giving their alternative view of history without any hard concrete evidence to back up their claims? How about Phlogiston theory in chemistry class? Geocentric theory in astronomy class? Flat Earth believers in geography class? Hollow Earth believers in geology class? (It would be fun watching to last two fight each other. )

Finally, to see a picture story of the above verses in Judges 19 (Levite’s Concubine), click on my name.

14 But Samuel said, “What then is this bleating of the sheep in my ears, and the lowing of the oxen which I hear?” 15 And Saul said, “They have brought them from the Amalekites; for the people spared the best of the sheep and the oxen, to sacrifice to the LORD your God; and the rest we have utterly destroyed.”

Rule #022 A wise man can hear profit in the wind.
Rule #092 There are many paths to profit.
Rule #162 Even at the worst of times, someone turns a profit.

18 “Now the LORD sent you on a mission, and said, ‘Go, and utterly destroy the sinners, the Amalekites, and fight against them until they are consumed.’ 19 Why then did you not obey the voice of the LORD? Why did you swoop down on the spoil, and do evil in the sight of the LORD?”
20 And Saul said to Samuel, “But I have obeyed the voice of the LORD, and gone on the mission on which the LORD sent me, and brought back Agag king of Amalek; I have utterly destroyed the Amalekites. 21 But the people took of the plunder, sheep and oxen, the best of the things which should have been utterly destroyed, to sacrifice to the LORD your God in Gilgal.”

Rule #202 The justification for profit is profit.
Rule #267 If you believe it, they believe it.
Rule #277 Anything worth fighting for is worth hiding from.

22 So Samuel said: “Has the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, As in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams. 23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, He also has rejected you from being king.”

Rule #041 Profit is its own reward.
Rule #077 It is better to swallow your pride than lose a profit.

24 Then Saul said to Samuel, “I have sinned, for I have transgressed the commandment of the LORD and your words, because I feared the people and obeyed their voice. 25 Now therefore, please pardon my sin, and return with me, that I may worship the LORD.”

Rule #015 Acting stupid is often smart.
Rule #060 Keep your lies consistent.

30 Then he said, “I have sinned; yet honor me now, please, before the elders of my people and before Israel, and return with me, that I may worship the LORD your God.” 31 So Samuel turned back after Saul, and Saul worshiped the LORD.

Rule #033 It never hurts to suck up to the boss.
Rule #050 Gratitude can bring on generosity.

32 Then Samuel said, “Bring Agag king of the Amalekites here to me.” So Agag came to him cautiously. And Agag said, “Surely the bitterness of death is past.” 33 But Samuel said, “As your sword has made women childless, so shall your mother be childless among women.” And Samuel hacked Agag in pieces before the LORD in Gilgal.

Samuel is one seriously pissed off dude, probably because his ‘God’ is a bad influence.

Here is the reason why The Amelekites where destroy (sic)
Exodus 17:8

The Amalekites came and attacked the Israelites at Rephidim.
For attacking at that time they defeated Amelekites however God need it to test Saul in order for Saul to be King of Israel, although I wouldn’t agree to destroy the Amelekites however the Israelites were mortal enemies so what are you going to do.

I see, so God was pissed off because of what Amalek did about 400 years’ earlier. Well, that explains it, then(!).

Ok here is the whole Chapter Remember yes the brutal times but there were reasons

Deuteronomy 2

The Desert Years

[...]

6 You shall buy food from them with money, that you may eat; and you shall also buy water from them with money, that you may drink.

Rule #003 Never spend more for an acquisition than you have to.
Rule #020 Only give money to people you know you can steal from.

7 For the LORD your God has blessed you in all the work of your hand. He knows your trudging through this great wilderness. These forty years the LORD your God has been with you; you have lacked nothing.

Why did it take the Israelites 40 years’ to travel from Egypt to Canaan, when such a journey, even at that time, would have taken no more than ten days? Their navigator sucked!

[...]9 Then the LORD said to me, ‘Do not harass Moab, nor contend with them in battle, for I will not give you any of their land as a possession, because I have given Ar to the descendants of Lot as a possession.’

So, God gave the Moabites and the Ammonites special protection since they were the descendants of Lot’s drunken, incestuous affair with his daughters — Gen. 19:30-38 (Click on my name to view an picture story).

9 But Saul and the people spared Agag and the best of the sheep, the oxen, the fatlings, the lambs, and all that was good, and were unwilling to utterly destroy them. But everything despised and worthless, that they utterly destroyed.

Now that makes good business sense. Why kill the animals when you can sell them off for profit?

Ferengi Rules of Acquisition that apply in this case:

#002 The best deal is the one that brings the most profit.
#009 Opportunity plus instinct equals profit.
#010 Greed is eternal.
#012 Anything worth doing is worth doing for money.
#029 What’s in it for me?
#034 War is good for business.
#037 If it’s free, take it and worry about the hidden costs later.
#041 Profit has its own reward.
#042 What’s mine is mine, and what’s yours is mine, too.
#049 Everything is worth something to somebody.
#052 Never ask when you can take.
#061 Never buy what can be stolen.

Saul Rejected as King

10 Now the word of the LORD came to Samuel, saying, 11 “I greatly regret that I have set up Saul as king, for he has turned back from following Me, and has not performed My commandments.” And it grieved Samuel, and he cried out to the LORD all night.[ ]

Rule #089 Ask not what what your [prophets] can do for you, ask what you can do for your profits.

For a picture story version of the above verses, click on my name.