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		<title>By: Mona</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/31/vote-3/comment-page-4/#comment-131025</link>
		<dc:creator>Mona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I voted the week before last from England.  I&#039;d applied for an absentee ballot to mail in, but found out that I could vote by fax in California.  You just have to sign a declaration waiving your right to a completely secret ballot, since someone has to get it off the machine and put in the right place to be counted.  But they didn&#039;t fax me a sticker saying &quot;I VOTED&quot; so I just had to run around and tell everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I voted the week before last from England.  I&#8217;d applied for an absentee ballot to mail in, but found out that I could vote by fax in California.  You just have to sign a declaration waiving your right to a completely secret ballot, since someone has to get it off the machine and put in the right place to be counted.  But they didn&#8217;t fax me a sticker saying &#8220;I VOTED&#8221; so I just had to run around and tell everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/31/vote-3/comment-page-4/#comment-130954</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I voted last Tuesday and waited in line for 2 hours, 10 minutes with no complaints. The nice thing to see was hundreds of people waiting in line with NO complaining or whining and nobody left before voting.  Yesterday (Sunday)  I decided to swing by the library where the voting was taking place to see how long the line was at 1:30PM and it was easily 3 times as long as the line I had waited in earlier in the week. Even though the voting place was supposed to close at 4PM, they promised anyone in line at that time would be allowed to vote, so I&#039;m guessing they were there until at least 8 PM. 
 
This morning I stopped at the Supervisor of Elections office to drop off my mom&#039;s absentee ballot and was impressed to find a table set up in the lobby of the County Governmental Center. They had log books for people to sign in with the name of the absentee voter and the person dropping it off, they time-stamped the actual ballot envelope, and had me insert the ballot into a sealed container.  So I&#039;m confident they plan on actually counting the absentee ballots.  Needless to say, South Florida officials are trying hard to lose the name Floriduh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I voted last Tuesday and waited in line for 2 hours, 10 minutes with no complaints. The nice thing to see was hundreds of people waiting in line with NO complaining or whining and nobody left before voting.  Yesterday (Sunday)  I decided to swing by the library where the voting was taking place to see how long the line was at 1:30PM and it was easily 3 times as long as the line I had waited in earlier in the week. Even though the voting place was supposed to close at 4PM, they promised anyone in line at that time would be allowed to vote, so I&#8217;m guessing they were there until at least 8 PM. </p>
<p>This morning I stopped at the Supervisor of Elections office to drop off my mom&#8217;s absentee ballot and was impressed to find a table set up in the lobby of the County Governmental Center. They had log books for people to sign in with the name of the absentee voter and the person dropping it off, they time-stamped the actual ballot envelope, and had me insert the ballot into a sealed container.  So I&#8217;m confident they plan on actually counting the absentee ballots.  Needless to say, South Florida officials are trying hard to lose the name Floriduh.</p>
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		<title>By: Carey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/31/vote-3/comment-page-4/#comment-130940</link>
		<dc:creator>Carey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 12:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What happens if you don’t vote peter?&lt;/i&gt;

Then Peter doesn&#039;t win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What happens if you don’t vote peter?</i></p>
<p>Then Peter doesn&#8217;t win.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter B</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/31/vote-3/comment-page-4/#comment-130936</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 12:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David D said: &quot;I think other posts and commenters have made it clear that when tax rates are cut, tax revenues actually increase.&quot;

I&#039;m assuming you don&#039;t think that, automatically, *all* tax cuts result in increased tax revenue. Take that to its logical conclusion and we find that cutting tax rates to 0% would result in infinite tax income. Homeopathic tax! ;-)

Seriously, my understanding is that Obama&#039;s tax plan means that 95% of tax payers pay less tax. Given that apparently in the Bush years, middle class salaries have declined by 1% in real terms, while those of high income earners have tripled in real terms, suggests that something is a little out of whack in the US economy.

The point is often made that cutting taxes on high income earners allows them to spend more to keep the economy growing. But wouldn&#039;t cutting the taxes of low/middle income earners instead also achieve that result? After all, there are a lot more low and middle income earners. Additionally, these people are more likely to spend their income on ordinary day-to-day items like food, fuel, and consumer goods like televisions, white goods and cars - things which keep an economy ticking over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David D said: &#8220;I think other posts and commenters have made it clear that when tax rates are cut, tax revenues actually increase.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m assuming you don&#8217;t think that, automatically, *all* tax cuts result in increased tax revenue. Take that to its logical conclusion and we find that cutting tax rates to 0% would result in infinite tax income. Homeopathic tax! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Seriously, my understanding is that Obama&#8217;s tax plan means that 95% of tax payers pay less tax. Given that apparently in the Bush years, middle class salaries have declined by 1% in real terms, while those of high income earners have tripled in real terms, suggests that something is a little out of whack in the US economy.</p>
<p>The point is often made that cutting taxes on high income earners allows them to spend more to keep the economy growing. But wouldn&#8217;t cutting the taxes of low/middle income earners instead also achieve that result? After all, there are a lot more low and middle income earners. Additionally, these people are more likely to spend their income on ordinary day-to-day items like food, fuel, and consumer goods like televisions, white goods and cars &#8211; things which keep an economy ticking over.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 12:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug Lawslo said: &quot;I would love to be a millionaire, but as a teacher that isn’t likely. However, I do consider myself a success...In America, though, that’s the dream: being a millionaire. It says something profound about our country where so many people believe they can be millionaires, and they can, if they work hard enough (and get a few lucky breaks). The reality is that most won’t, but we can’t call them failures. If they pay their bills, raise their families, and contribute to society in a meaningful way; I call that being a success.&quot;

Doug, with respect, my point doesn&#039;t rely on people becoming millionaires to be considered successes. Rather, my point is that hard work, sacrifice and staying on track aren&#039;t a guarantee of success. Despite all that, some people still end up losing out.

I have no problem with people going out there and giving it a go, and the government should do what it can to help them succeed. But I also think a compassionate government should be there to help those in difficult circumstances. The question seems to be how the government should raise the money necessary to do that.

The way I see it, where people earn so little that it&#039;s hard for them to make ends meet, it&#039;s inequitable to make them pay tax. High income earners, by contrast, are at little financial risk if asked to pay a little extra in tax.

Perhaps someone could post the current income tax rates for the USA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug Lawslo said: &#8220;I would love to be a millionaire, but as a teacher that isn’t likely. However, I do consider myself a success&#8230;In America, though, that’s the dream: being a millionaire. It says something profound about our country where so many people believe they can be millionaires, and they can, if they work hard enough (and get a few lucky breaks). The reality is that most won’t, but we can’t call them failures. If they pay their bills, raise their families, and contribute to society in a meaningful way; I call that being a success.&#8221;</p>
<p>Doug, with respect, my point doesn&#8217;t rely on people becoming millionaires to be considered successes. Rather, my point is that hard work, sacrifice and staying on track aren&#8217;t a guarantee of success. Despite all that, some people still end up losing out.</p>
<p>I have no problem with people going out there and giving it a go, and the government should do what it can to help them succeed. But I also think a compassionate government should be there to help those in difficult circumstances. The question seems to be how the government should raise the money necessary to do that.</p>
<p>The way I see it, where people earn so little that it&#8217;s hard for them to make ends meet, it&#8217;s inequitable to make them pay tax. High income earners, by contrast, are at little financial risk if asked to pay a little extra in tax.</p>
<p>Perhaps someone could post the current income tax rates for the USA.</p>
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		<title>By: Davidlpf</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/31/vote-3/comment-page-4/#comment-130859</link>
		<dc:creator>Davidlpf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 01:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2 days left, @Michael L I hope the hair grows back from your halloween costume.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 days left, @Michael L I hope the hair grows back from your halloween costume.</p>
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		<title>By: shane</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/31/vote-3/comment-page-4/#comment-130856</link>
		<dc:creator>shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 01:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stopgap said &lt;i&gt;&quot;I’m sorry but I don’t want every uninformed person in the U.S to vote. &quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Too late. If this was true McCain/Palin wouldn&#039;t be getting any votes. :-D

I reckon, for what it&#039;s worth, that if you got the the truly ignorant and uninformed to vote they be pretty much divided evenly down party lines anyway. You do, however, seem to have a large group of people that are informed that choose not to vote for either philosophical reasons or for just being apathetic.

Anyway saying that some people shouldn&#039;t vote smacks of &quot;elitism&quot;.

Having said that click my name to see the &quot;The Chasers&quot; perspective on people who voted in the elections in Australia. Funny but definitely &lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;NSFW&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/font&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stopgap said <i>&#8220;I’m sorry but I don’t want every uninformed person in the U.S to vote. &#8220;</i></p>
<p>Too late. If this was true McCain/Palin wouldn&#8217;t be getting any votes. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I reckon, for what it&#8217;s worth, that if you got the the truly ignorant and uninformed to vote they be pretty much divided evenly down party lines anyway. You do, however, seem to have a large group of people that are informed that choose not to vote for either philosophical reasons or for just being apathetic.</p>
<p>Anyway saying that some people shouldn&#8217;t vote smacks of &#8220;elitism&#8221;.</p>
<p>Having said that click my name to see the &#8220;The Chasers&#8221; perspective on people who voted in the elections in Australia. Funny but definitely <font color="red"><b>NSFW</b></font>.</p>
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