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	<title>Comments on: Ares hardware arrives at Kennedy</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Vila</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every once in a while, someone I respect will say something that makes me  think &quot;Woah! Cognitive dissonance!&quot; You remember the Shuttle launches from your childhood? Wow, I&#039;m older than the Bad Astronomer!

I remember the entire space program, or nearly so. I was born at roughly the same moment that the Russians launched Sputnik II. Warped me forever, that did. Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, Skylab, the Shuttle... I never missed whatever TV coverage any space mission got once I was old enough to change the channel on our family TV set. I just turned 51 earlier this week, and still nothing thrills me like seeing we puny humans shove the barriers of our ignorance aside and taking a giant leap into the unknown- in order to make it into the known. I eagerly await the advances we have yet to make within my lifetime. The future can&#039;t come quickly enough. I want to see my children and grandchildren walk on the surface of other worlds, to fulfill the human ambition of finding out what wonders await beyond the limits of our vision, but not beyond the limits of our imaginations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every once in a while, someone I respect will say something that makes me  think &#8220;Woah! Cognitive dissonance!&#8221; You remember the Shuttle launches from your childhood? Wow, I&#8217;m older than the Bad Astronomer!</p>
<p>I remember the entire space program, or nearly so. I was born at roughly the same moment that the Russians launched Sputnik II. Warped me forever, that did. Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, Skylab, the Shuttle&#8230; I never missed whatever TV coverage any space mission got once I was old enough to change the channel on our family TV set. I just turned 51 earlier this week, and still nothing thrills me like seeing we puny humans shove the barriers of our ignorance aside and taking a giant leap into the unknown- in order to make it into the known. I eagerly await the advances we have yet to make within my lifetime. The future can&#8217;t come quickly enough. I want to see my children and grandchildren walk on the surface of other worlds, to fulfill the human ambition of finding out what wonders await beyond the limits of our vision, but not beyond the limits of our imaginations.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every time I see the Ares I think its just a bigger Apollo spacecraft. My next thought is why isn&#039;t this a step backward? I watched rockets like this launch from the sixties onward, I thought the reusable shuttle was big progress. What happened to all our plans for spaceplanes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every time I see the Ares I think its just a bigger Apollo spacecraft. My next thought is why isn&#8217;t this a step backward? I watched rockets like this launch from the sixties onward, I thought the reusable shuttle was big progress. What happened to all our plans for spaceplanes?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Boyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Boyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hate to rain on your parade, Phil, but there&#039;s a distinct possibility that Obama may not build Ares in its current form.

&lt;i&gt;A former chairman of the House science committee told Brevard County leaders Monday that NASA’s next rocket is “on the chopping block” and that a new administration may abandon the Ares I as successor to the space shuttle.

The next president may look instead to use military rockets to launch NASA astronauts, said Robert Walker, a former Republican congressman from Pennsylvania who, as a Washington-based lobbyist, represents Brevard County.

Walker told county commissioners; U.S. Reps. Tom Feeney, R-Oviedo, and Dave Weldon, R-Indialantic; and representatives of the local aerospace community that the word in Washington and at recent space conferences was “that Ares I could be on the chopping block.”

Afterward, in an interview with the Orlando Sentinel, he elaborated: “The discussion I am hearing in the space community is that Ares will certainly be reviewed by the next administration.”  &lt;/i&gt;

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_space_thewritestuff/2008/10/grim-outlook-fo.html

I think it long past time to reconsider Ares 1X and find a better launch system.  Ares is starting to have the smell of boondoggle: late, overpriced and with less capability than advertised.  

It&#039;s really time to give EELV, Direct and private initiatives another close look before making further investment into Ares.  EELV is the closest system to launch capability.  D4-Heavy could well be modified to fit an Ares capsule on it.  Direct may have more promise than EELV or Ares.  Or, a better Ares design may be found.

Ares V -- no problem.  The Stick, however, stinks, and I don&#039;t care what Michael Griffin tells you.  Talk to the engineers building it, and I do, and a great deal of them will give you their grave concerns about the potential for success of the project.

In the meantime, keep the damned Shuttle flying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate to rain on your parade, Phil, but there&#8217;s a distinct possibility that Obama may not build Ares in its current form.</p>
<p><i>A former chairman of the House science committee told Brevard County leaders Monday that NASA’s next rocket is “on the chopping block” and that a new administration may abandon the Ares I as successor to the space shuttle.</p>
<p>The next president may look instead to use military rockets to launch NASA astronauts, said Robert Walker, a former Republican congressman from Pennsylvania who, as a Washington-based lobbyist, represents Brevard County.</p>
<p>Walker told county commissioners; U.S. Reps. Tom Feeney, R-Oviedo, and Dave Weldon, R-Indialantic; and representatives of the local aerospace community that the word in Washington and at recent space conferences was “that Ares I could be on the chopping block.”</p>
<p>Afterward, in an interview with the Orlando Sentinel, he elaborated: “The discussion I am hearing in the space community is that Ares will certainly be reviewed by the next administration.”  </i></p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_space_thewritestuff/2008/10/grim-outlook-fo.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_space_thewritestuff/2008/10/grim-outlook-fo.html</a></p>
<p>I think it long past time to reconsider Ares 1X and find a better launch system.  Ares is starting to have the smell of boondoggle: late, overpriced and with less capability than advertised.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s really time to give EELV, Direct and private initiatives another close look before making further investment into Ares.  EELV is the closest system to launch capability.  D4-Heavy could well be modified to fit an Ares capsule on it.  Direct may have more promise than EELV or Ares.  Or, a better Ares design may be found.</p>
<p>Ares V &#8212; no problem.  The Stick, however, stinks, and I don&#8217;t care what Michael Griffin tells you.  Talk to the engineers building it, and I do, and a great deal of them will give you their grave concerns about the potential for success of the project.</p>
<p>In the meantime, keep the damned Shuttle flying.</p>
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		<title>By: lars bruchmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>lars bruchmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right there with you Phil!  I was in 2nd grade as I recall, when Columbia launched, and my parents let me stay home, or I was sick (cough-cough).  I distinctly remember that, and the landing a few days later.  Now I&#039;m 37 and we&#039;re going back to the rockets that I played with made of Lego years before....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right there with you Phil!  I was in 2nd grade as I recall, when Columbia launched, and my parents let me stay home, or I was sick (cough-cough).  I distinctly remember that, and the landing a few days later.  Now I&#8217;m 37 and we&#8217;re going back to the rockets that I played with made of Lego years before&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 08:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elmar_M says: &quot;I mean von Braun would be quite disapproving, I presume…&quot;

You might be right there, von Braun historically didn&#039;t like solid boosters at all as they have crappy performance and give a hell of a rough ride.

justcorbly: The point is U.S. has at their disposal vehicles which *can* put Orion into orbit. They&#039;re both EELVs (Evolved Expendable Launch Vehicle) and ANY upgrade required to man-rate them (Atlas, as was said, would be easier to man-rate) would cost *vastly* less than what NASA is spending on their own little bottle rocket. We are talking BILLIONS here. 

Then again, it&#039;s your tax money so have it what you like...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elmar_M says: &#8220;I mean von Braun would be quite disapproving, I presume…&#8221;</p>
<p>You might be right there, von Braun historically didn&#8217;t like solid boosters at all as they have crappy performance and give a hell of a rough ride.</p>
<p>justcorbly: The point is U.S. has at their disposal vehicles which *can* put Orion into orbit. They&#8217;re both EELVs (Evolved Expendable Launch Vehicle) and ANY upgrade required to man-rate them (Atlas, as was said, would be easier to man-rate) would cost *vastly* less than what NASA is spending on their own little bottle rocket. We are talking BILLIONS here. </p>
<p>Then again, it&#8217;s your tax money so have it what you like&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Elmar_M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elmar_M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I had to bet I would say that Falcon 9 and Dragon will put humans into orbit before Ares1 will. I have very little confidence in this thing. I also find the design a little backwards?...
I mean von Braun would be quite disapproving, I presume...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I had to bet I would say that Falcon 9 and Dragon will put humans into orbit before Ares1 will. I have very little confidence in this thing. I also find the design a little backwards?&#8230;<br />
I mean von Braun would be quite disapproving, I presume&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 03:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For someone who lived through the shuttle program going from &quot;this will produce a reliable &#039;space truck&#039; that will get things into orbit for $100 a pound and fly every two weeks&quot; to &quot;well, it&#039;s *mostly* reliable - if we have a few thousand technitions go over it every time and we&#039;re almost sure it costs less per pound than a &#039;throw away&#039; rocket&quot;, this is deja-vu all over again.

&quot;Yeah, let&#039;s base our only rocket system on a part of the shuttle system that has already demonstrated it can destroy a shuttle. That sounds good!&quot;

IMHO, solid rockets should *never* be man-rated. Let me clarify: Never, Never, *Ever* be man-rated. And this one&#039;s got it as the first - and most important - stage. How dumb is that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For someone who lived through the shuttle program going from &#8220;this will produce a reliable &#8217;space truck&#8217; that will get things into orbit for $100 a pound and fly every two weeks&#8221; to &#8220;well, it&#8217;s *mostly* reliable &#8211; if we have a few thousand technitions go over it every time and we&#8217;re almost sure it costs less per pound than a &#8216;throw away&#8217; rocket&#8221;, this is deja-vu all over again.</p>
<p>&#8220;Yeah, let&#8217;s base our only rocket system on a part of the shuttle system that has already demonstrated it can destroy a shuttle. That sounds good!&#8221;</p>
<p>IMHO, solid rockets should *never* be man-rated. Let me clarify: Never, Never, *Ever* be man-rated. And this one&#8217;s got it as the first &#8211; and most important &#8211; stage. How dumb is that?</p>
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