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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Irishman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/10/ow-my-irony-gland/comment-page-1/#comment-133805</link>
		<dc:creator>Irishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Puck, it&#039;s been tried.  Rogan is actively disbelieving in the Moon Landings.  He has an agenda. That agenda is an anti-government, don&#039;t believe what you&#039;re told agenda.  He will not accept the evidence presented to him.  

It is &lt;i&gt;possible&lt;/i&gt; that Rogan is using the Moon Landings as source material to make his point about questioning everything and everyone.  He is ultimately a comedian, and he isn&#039;t the first to use the topic (Kaufman).  However, he is pretty convincing that he actually believes what he says.  

Rogan was invited to participate on the Bad Astronomy Board, he declined. Several members here attempted to talk on his board, but the rules there are not conducive to intelligent conversation or polite debate.

So Rogan is afraid of ignorance, but cultivates it on the Moon Hoax topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Puck, it&#8217;s been tried.  Rogan is actively disbelieving in the Moon Landings.  He has an agenda. That agenda is an anti-government, don&#8217;t believe what you&#8217;re told agenda.  He will not accept the evidence presented to him.  </p>
<p>It is <i>possible</i> that Rogan is using the Moon Landings as source material to make his point about questioning everything and everyone.  He is ultimately a comedian, and he isn&#8217;t the first to use the topic (Kaufman).  However, he is pretty convincing that he actually believes what he says.  </p>
<p>Rogan was invited to participate on the Bad Astronomy Board, he declined. Several members here attempted to talk on his board, but the rules there are not conducive to intelligent conversation or polite debate.</p>
<p>So Rogan is afraid of ignorance, but cultivates it on the Moon Hoax topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Puck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Puck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a big Joe Rogan fan but his insistence on the Moon Hoax stuff baffles me because his baloney detector seems so great for almost everything else.  He&#039;s got a great bit about Noah&#039;s Ark that&#039;s an almost perfect skeptic&#039;s comedy routine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXTBuSOu2FE

The Moon landing (and aliens, though that may be just a comedy routine) seems to be his blind spot, and instead of setting him up as the &quot;big bad believer opponent&quot; I think it&#039;d be better to just overwhelm this otherwise bright guy with the evidence and make him a full-fledged skeptic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a big Joe Rogan fan but his insistence on the Moon Hoax stuff baffles me because his baloney detector seems so great for almost everything else.  He&#8217;s got a great bit about Noah&#8217;s Ark that&#8217;s an almost perfect skeptic&#8217;s comedy routine: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXTBuSOu2FE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXTBuSOu2FE</a></p>
<p>The Moon landing (and aliens, though that may be just a comedy routine) seems to be his blind spot, and instead of setting him up as the &#8220;big bad believer opponent&#8221; I think it&#8217;d be better to just overwhelm this otherwise bright guy with the evidence and make him a full-fledged skeptic.</p>
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		<title>By: RAF</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/10/ow-my-irony-gland/comment-page-1/#comment-133535</link>
		<dc:creator>RAF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe&#039;s greatest fear is ignorance? That is ironic.

...and here I thought his greatest fear was people not posting porno to his forum. Yeah, you read that correctly...to qualify as a member, you MUST post some form of pornography or face banning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe&#8217;s greatest fear is ignorance? That is ironic.</p>
<p>&#8230;and here I thought his greatest fear was people not posting porno to his forum. Yeah, you read that correctly&#8230;to qualify as a member, you MUST post some form of pornography or face banning.</p>
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		<title>By: Deepsix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deepsix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, he is very knowledgeable about MMA.  Also, he knows a lot about....
did I mention he is very knowledgeable about about MMA? &#039;Cause he is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, he is very knowledgeable about MMA.  Also, he knows a lot about&#8230;.<br />
did I mention he is very knowledgeable about about MMA? &#8216;Cause he is.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just noticed YET ANOTHER huge problem with Joe Rogan&#039;s Moon Hoax theory. If NASA was really secretly collecting meteorites in Antarctica, why they would send a high-profile, attention-grabbing, world-famous scientist like Werner Von Braun rather than some anonymous geologists? If they had the technology necessary to fake the moon landings and the degree of control over thousands of participants to keep it secret, you&#039;d think that it would occur to them to collect the &quot;fake evidence&quot; in secret and months ahead of time rather than in the full glare of publicity... 

And this really goes to the heart of the problem with the moon hoaxers mentality: it requires you to believe in a massive, sophisticated, highly-organized conspiracy of brilliant scientists and Machiavellian politicians... who made incredibly dumb mistakes like not noticing that the flag shouldn&#039;t wave in the breeze or sending the most famous and identifiable rocket scientist in the world on an attention grabbing scavenger hunt at the height of launch preparations. In other words, the people being the &quot;Moon Hoax&quot; are smart enough to fool all of the world&#039;s professional journalists and professional scientists... but dumb enough to make glaring mistakes like not collecting rocks in secret well in advance. D&#039;oh!


(Footnote: yes, I know what the usual Hoaxer excuse for the flag, etc. is: those &quot;mistakes&quot; were deliberately sneaked in by people who wanted to expose the hoax. But this still requires you to believe not only that they managed to sneak them past the notice of thousands of conspirators... but that everybody who for decades after has patiently explained why these are not mistakes is also part of the conspiracy.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just noticed YET ANOTHER huge problem with Joe Rogan&#8217;s Moon Hoax theory. If NASA was really secretly collecting meteorites in Antarctica, why they would send a high-profile, attention-grabbing, world-famous scientist like Werner Von Braun rather than some anonymous geologists? If they had the technology necessary to fake the moon landings and the degree of control over thousands of participants to keep it secret, you&#8217;d think that it would occur to them to collect the &#8220;fake evidence&#8221; in secret and months ahead of time rather than in the full glare of publicity&#8230; </p>
<p>And this really goes to the heart of the problem with the moon hoaxers mentality: it requires you to believe in a massive, sophisticated, highly-organized conspiracy of brilliant scientists and Machiavellian politicians&#8230; who made incredibly dumb mistakes like not noticing that the flag shouldn&#8217;t wave in the breeze or sending the most famous and identifiable rocket scientist in the world on an attention grabbing scavenger hunt at the height of launch preparations. In other words, the people being the &#8220;Moon Hoax&#8221; are smart enough to fool all of the world&#8217;s professional journalists and professional scientists&#8230; but dumb enough to make glaring mistakes like not collecting rocks in secret well in advance. D&#8217;oh!</p>
<p>(Footnote: yes, I know what the usual Hoaxer excuse for the flag, etc. is: those &#8220;mistakes&#8221; were deliberately sneaked in by people who wanted to expose the hoax. But this still requires you to believe not only that they managed to sneak them past the notice of thousands of conspirators&#8230; but that everybody who for decades after has patiently explained why these are not mistakes is also part of the conspiracy.)</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m proud to say that I introduced Joe Rogan to BadAstronomy.com. My one and only claim to fame. 

My wife (a comedian) and I were meeting with Joe and another comedian, Doug, at a dive bar in Hollywood one night to see Extreme Elvis perform. It was the night after Fox aired some worthless documentary that claimed we didn&#039;t really go to the moon. ( I didn&#039;t watch the show but did notice it as I channel surfed and was highly irritated that Fox would spew this garbage for our impressionable kids to hear.)

After the show we were all talking and Joe started going on about how we never really went to the moon and how the &quot;documentary&quot; proved it. We got into an argu...er...uh...we had a difference of opinion but I didn&#039;t have the exact facts to refute what he was saying about camera angles and shadows, etc. 

I went home to research the issue and stumbled across BA. I shot off an e-mail to Joe right away. He remained and remains convinced of the conspiracy theory.

Joe is a really nice guy who is quite bright and his comedy is sharp, witty and to the point.  His theme is that we should question authority on all fronts and for the most part I agree  but on this issue he gives us a glaring example illustrating that at some point reason must step in.  It baffles the mind</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m proud to say that I introduced Joe Rogan to BadAstronomy.com. My one and only claim to fame. </p>
<p>My wife (a comedian) and I were meeting with Joe and another comedian, Doug, at a dive bar in Hollywood one night to see Extreme Elvis perform. It was the night after Fox aired some worthless documentary that claimed we didn&#8217;t really go to the moon. ( I didn&#8217;t watch the show but did notice it as I channel surfed and was highly irritated that Fox would spew this garbage for our impressionable kids to hear.)</p>
<p>After the show we were all talking and Joe started going on about how we never really went to the moon and how the &#8220;documentary&#8221; proved it. We got into an argu&#8230;er&#8230;uh&#8230;we had a difference of opinion but I didn&#8217;t have the exact facts to refute what he was saying about camera angles and shadows, etc. </p>
<p>I went home to research the issue and stumbled across BA. I shot off an e-mail to Joe right away. He remained and remains convinced of the conspiracy theory.</p>
<p>Joe is a really nice guy who is quite bright and his comedy is sharp, witty and to the point.  His theme is that we should question authority on all fronts and for the most part I agree  but on this issue he gives us a glaring example illustrating that at some point reason must step in.  It baffles the mind</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@TheWalruss: I wouldn’t say we need to *recreate* the universe (which would be the end result of completely simulating it) - isn’t it also &quot;understanding&quot; if we grasp the common rules of physics that govern its behavior, without imitating each and every one of them in a computer? i.e. the falling of an object is neatly described by a formula - instead of using a huge table with every possible weight, distance, speed and air drag already pre-calculated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@TheWalruss: I wouldn’t say we need to *recreate* the universe (which would be the end result of completely simulating it) &#8211; isn’t it also &#8220;understanding&#8221; if we grasp the common rules of physics that govern its behavior, without imitating each and every one of them in a computer? i.e. the falling of an object is neatly described by a formula &#8211; instead of using a huge table with every possible weight, distance, speed and air drag already pre-calculated.</p>
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