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	<title>Comments on: New evidence of oceans on Mars!</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/17/new-evidence-of-oceans-on-mars/comment-page-2/#comment-387275</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 19:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have the technology to for  a maned  craft,  lets just do it and get some real answers instead of educated guesses and theories. Let us see Mars poles are made of methane,,,,,,,,, Mars had water at one time and still does?Lets go find out !!!!! NOW.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have the technology to for  a maned  craft,  lets just do it and get some real answers instead of educated guesses and theories. Let us see Mars poles are made of methane,,,,,,,,, Mars had water at one time and still does?Lets go find out !!!!! NOW&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 03:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The following website contains an analysis of purported shorelines on mars:

http://mysite.verizon.net/rickmsmith/MarsOceanProject.html

The results indicate that the purported shorelines delineate two &quot;containers&quot; that could hold large amounts of water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following website contains an analysis of purported shorelines on mars:</p>
<p><a href="http://mysite.verizon.net/rickmsmith/MarsOceanProject.html" rel="nofollow">http://mysite.verizon.net/rickmsmith/MarsOceanProject.html</a></p>
<p>The results indicate that the purported shorelines delineate two &#8220;containers&#8221; that could hold large amounts of water.</p>
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		<title>By: Torbjörn Larsson, OM</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/17/new-evidence-of-oceans-on-mars/comment-page-2/#comment-136076</link>
		<dc:creator>Torbjörn Larsson, OM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 00:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To add to the irony of the possibility of a Mars impactor resulting in an early loss of atmosphere despite retaining a substantial magnetic field, I see that &lt;a href=&quot;http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/21nov_plasmoids.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;it is possible the skewed magnetic field itself helps the atmospheric loss&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
What happened next is not 100% certain, but Global Surveyor&#039;s readings are consistent with the following scenario: &quot;The joined fields wrapped themselves around a packet of gas at the top of the Martian atmosphere, forming a magnetic capsule a thousand kilometers wide with ionized air trapped inside,&quot; says Brain. &quot;Solar wind pressure caused the capsule to &#039;pinch off&#039; and it blew away, taking its cargo of air with it.&quot; Brain has since found a dozen more examples. The magnetic capsules or &quot;plasmoids&quot; tend to blow over the south pole of Mars, mainly because most of the umbrellas are located in Mars&#039; southern hemisphere.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Instead of protecting poor Mars from solar wind it is possible it join forces to strip the atmosphere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add to the irony of the possibility of a Mars impactor resulting in an early loss of atmosphere despite retaining a substantial magnetic field, I see that <a href="http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/21nov_plasmoids.htm" rel="nofollow">it is possible the skewed magnetic field itself helps the atmospheric loss</a>:</p>
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What happened next is not 100% certain, but Global Surveyor&#8217;s readings are consistent with the following scenario: &#8220;The joined fields wrapped themselves around a packet of gas at the top of the Martian atmosphere, forming a magnetic capsule a thousand kilometers wide with ionized air trapped inside,&#8221; says Brain. &#8220;Solar wind pressure caused the capsule to &#8216;pinch off&#8217; and it blew away, taking its cargo of air with it.&#8221; Brain has since found a dozen more examples. The magnetic capsules or &#8220;plasmoids&#8221; tend to blow over the south pole of Mars, mainly because most of the umbrellas are located in Mars&#8217; southern hemisphere.
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<p>Instead of protecting poor Mars from solar wind it is possible it join forces to strip the atmosphere.</p>
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		<title>By: Carnival of Space #80: Thanksgiving Edition &#124; Starts With A Bang!</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/17/new-evidence-of-oceans-on-mars/comment-page-2/#comment-135865</link>
		<dc:creator>Carnival of Space #80: Thanksgiving Edition &#124; Starts With A Bang!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the new evidence for Oceans on Mars. Bad Astronomy is all for it, and is very excited about it. But the Martian Chronicles has a different take, and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the new evidence for Oceans on Mars. Bad Astronomy is all for it, and is very excited about it. But the Martian Chronicles has a different take, and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: IdeaFestival</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/17/new-evidence-of-oceans-on-mars/comment-page-2/#comment-135787</link>
		<dc:creator>IdeaFestival</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;New evidence for ancient Mars&#039; ocean &lt;/strong&gt;

Saying the issue is how long, not whether, Mars had water, the Bad Astronomer himself, Phil Plait, goes on to suggest that the issue has relevance for our own planet: It may have once been much more Earth-like, but then...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>New evidence for ancient Mars&#8217; ocean </strong></p>
<p>Saying the issue is how long, not whether, Mars had water, the Bad Astronomer himself, Phil Plait, goes on to suggest that the issue has relevance for our own planet: It may have once been much more Earth-like, but then&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Edge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/17/new-evidence-of-oceans-on-mars/comment-page-1/#comment-135216</link>
		<dc:creator>Edge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big deal, where are the martians?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big deal, where are the martians?</p>
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		<title>By: Emilie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/17/new-evidence-of-oceans-on-mars/comment-page-1/#comment-135183</link>
		<dc:creator>Emilie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never really thought about how Mars could be an example of what would happen to our planet. It really makes you think about how what we are doing to our planet will effect us in the future. I know that theres all this talk about global warming, but I don&#039;t think that anyone actually ever realizes what could happen to us. The world in what we live in could completely change for the worse, but we can do something to change that. So I hope there is more research done on Mars, they say that the best way to learn is to find out more about ourselves first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never really thought about how Mars could be an example of what would happen to our planet. It really makes you think about how what we are doing to our planet will effect us in the future. I know that theres all this talk about global warming, but I don&#8217;t think that anyone actually ever realizes what could happen to us. The world in what we live in could completely change for the worse, but we can do something to change that. So I hope there is more research done on Mars, they say that the best way to learn is to find out more about ourselves first.</p>
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		<title>By: Seed's Daily Zeitgeist: 11/19/2008 - General Science</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/17/new-evidence-of-oceans-on-mars/comment-page-1/#comment-135182</link>
		<dc:creator>Seed's Daily Zeitgeist: 11/19/2008 - General Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  New evidence of oceans on Mars! The Martian ocean is looking a lot like the one on earth: barren. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  New evidence of oceans on Mars! The Martian ocean is looking a lot like the one on earth: barren. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dunc</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/17/new-evidence-of-oceans-on-mars/comment-page-1/#comment-135180</link>
		<dc:creator>Dunc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;what would be required for terraforming Mars?&lt;/i&gt;

Depends on what you mean by terraforming, exactly... Without a viable magnetic field or active plate tectonics, you can&#039;t &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; terraform it. 

What you definitely would need is a &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; long time. It took about a billion years to terraform Earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>what would be required for terraforming Mars?</i></p>
<p>Depends on what you mean by terraforming, exactly&#8230; Without a viable magnetic field or active plate tectonics, you can&#8217;t <i>really</i> terraform it. </p>
<p>What you definitely would need is a <i>very</i> long time. It took about a billion years to terraform Earth.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is yet another reason I love science!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is yet another reason I love science!!!</p>
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		<title>By: pligg.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>pligg.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;New evidence of oceans on Mars! &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine&lt;/strong&gt;

It’s been argued for years that Mars may have once had oceans of water, billions of years ago. Some catastrophe dried them up, making the evidence for them difficult to detect. Topographic (relief) maps look like there may have been two oceans in one...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>New evidence of oceans on Mars! | Bad Astronomy | Discover Magazine</strong></p>
<p>It’s been argued for years that Mars may have once had oceans of water, billions of years ago. Some catastrophe dried them up, making the evidence for them difficult to detect. Topographic (relief) maps look like there may have been two oceans in one&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jens Ayton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jens Ayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to digg this page, then saw the annoying begging at the top and decided not to. Just a data point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to digg this page, then saw the annoying begging at the top and decided not to. Just a data point.</p>
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		<title>By: Terra incognita :: Hav på Mars :: November :: 2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terra incognita :: Hav på Mars :: November :: 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] bevis kopplade till bl a mineralogiska observationer visar att Mars inte bara hade vatten, utan troligen hav. In och l&#228;s mer i artikeln om ni [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] bevis kopplade till bl a mineralogiska observationer visar att Mars inte bara hade vatten, utan troligen hav. In och l&auml;s mer i artikeln om ni [...]</p>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fen: &lt;i&gt;Heh - these damn scientists are so wet behind the ears when they come up with this tripe -
“Well there is water but maybe not - well there is this and there is that”&lt;/i&gt;.

I think that those &quot;damn scientists&quot;, as you refer to them, are just sticking to the principle of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-Prime&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;E-Prime&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;; e.g., avoiding the use of the verbs: &lt;i&gt;be, is, am, are, was, were, been, being&lt;/i&gt;, and also their contractions.

The rationale behind the use of E-Prime suggests that it leads to a less dogmatic style of language that reduces the possibility for misunderstanding and for conflict.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fen: <i>Heh &#8211; these damn scientists are so wet behind the ears when they come up with this tripe -<br />
“Well there is water but maybe not &#8211; well there is this and there is that”</i>.</p>
<p>I think that those &#8220;damn scientists&#8221;, as you refer to them, are just sticking to the principle of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-Prime" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><font color="blue"><b>E-Prime</b></font></a>; e.g., avoiding the use of the verbs: <i>be, is, am, are, was, were, been, being</i>, and also their contractions.</p>
<p>The rationale behind the use of E-Prime suggests that it leads to a less dogmatic style of language that reduces the possibility for misunderstanding and for conflict.</p>
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		<title>By: cmdrhlm</title>
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		<dc:creator>cmdrhlm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ad Hominid - I know he said digest, but who said anything about eating people?
Maybe he ate an apple?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ad Hominid &#8211; I know he said digest, but who said anything about eating people?<br />
Maybe he ate an apple?</p>
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		<title>By: Feldwebel Wolfenstool</title>
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		<dc:creator>Feldwebel Wolfenstool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what the local Mullah thinks about all this?</description>
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		<title>By: Fen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh - these damn scientists are so wet behind the ears when they come up with this tripe - 
&quot;Well there is water but maybe not - well there is this and there is that &quot; 

Its quite simple - Stop trying to hide the fact - there was water there - probably still is.
I guess its this horrid idea that close minded bible bashing / muslim extremists just can&#039;t handle the fact that God and Allah didn&#039;t make planet earth the chosen planet for  us (Humans) in this massive universe and leave every other planet dead and at a temp of 2000 degrees.

Next thing they will come up with is - &quot;Well it appears there may have been life here too!?&quot;

GASP! 

Well I think a medal is in order smarty pants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh &#8211; these damn scientists are so wet behind the ears when they come up with this tripe &#8211;<br />
&#8220;Well there is water but maybe not &#8211; well there is this and there is that &#8221; </p>
<p>Its quite simple &#8211; Stop trying to hide the fact &#8211; there was water there &#8211; probably still is.<br />
I guess its this horrid idea that close minded bible bashing / muslim extremists just can&#8217;t handle the fact that God and Allah didn&#8217;t make planet earth the chosen planet for  us (Humans) in this massive universe and leave every other planet dead and at a temp of 2000 degrees.</p>
<p>Next thing they will come up with is &#8211; &#8220;Well it appears there may have been life here too!?&#8221;</p>
<p>GASP! </p>
<p>Well I think a medal is in order smarty pants.</p>
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		<title>By: dkary</title>
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		<dc:creator>dkary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to &quot;rain&quot; on the Mars Ocean parade, but over the last few years I&#039;ve seen at least as many findings that were considered equally strong evidence wasn&#039;t an ocean after all. 
For example, part of the original argument for an ocean was that there were features along the edges that looked like shore erosion. On closer examination, they turned out to be just wrinkle ridges in old lava flows: no sign of shoreline.

Also, I&#039;d be a little surprised to find that there could be such so much water around on the surface that it gives an ocean in the north without producing so much erosion that it completely erases more of those heavily cratered highlands in the south. A body of water that big should be able to produce a global-scale hydrological cycle, but in the south there is very little sign of that happening.

So while a Mars ocean would be a cool thing, I&#039;m afraid I&#039;m going to remain skeptical on this one. Certainly there was water flowing on Mars at various times in the planet&#039;s history, but the evidence for an ocean needs to get a lot more compelling yet (such as maybe finding those shorelines after all).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to &#8220;rain&#8221; on the Mars Ocean parade, but over the last few years I&#8217;ve seen at least as many findings that were considered equally strong evidence wasn&#8217;t an ocean after all.<br />
For example, part of the original argument for an ocean was that there were features along the edges that looked like shore erosion. On closer examination, they turned out to be just wrinkle ridges in old lava flows: no sign of shoreline.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;d be a little surprised to find that there could be such so much water around on the surface that it gives an ocean in the north without producing so much erosion that it completely erases more of those heavily cratered highlands in the south. A body of water that big should be able to produce a global-scale hydrological cycle, but in the south there is very little sign of that happening.</p>
<p>So while a Mars ocean would be a cool thing, I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;m going to remain skeptical on this one. Certainly there was water flowing on Mars at various times in the planet&#8217;s history, but the evidence for an ocean needs to get a lot more compelling yet (such as maybe finding those shorelines after all).</p>
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		<title>By: JoePublic</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoePublic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course other plants are earthlike... even having life, perhaps even sapient life.  It&#039;s the moronic xtians who are the naysayers, and all due to their heinous egomanical racketeering ponzi scam.  They are criminals against nature and obstructors of all knowledge.  Please help end their fascist tyranny by boycotting religion.  Vote with your money: don&#039;t give to religious charities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course other plants are earthlike&#8230; even having life, perhaps even sapient life.  It&#8217;s the moronic xtians who are the naysayers, and all due to their heinous egomanical racketeering ponzi scam.  They are criminals against nature and obstructors of all knowledge.  Please help end their fascist tyranny by boycotting religion.  Vote with your money: don&#8217;t give to religious charities.</p>
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		<title>By: Loaf Of Bread</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loaf Of Bread</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One day, we will be asking a much more important question.  Did the Martians have swimming pools?  :)

Great article, Phil, and one well worth spending part of a lunch hour reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One day, we will be asking a much more important question.  Did the Martians have swimming pools?  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Great article, Phil, and one well worth spending part of a lunch hour reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Lamb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan Lamb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Water can&#039;t just disappear... it can change state from gas to liquid to solid, and it is doubtful that all the oceans of water just leaked into space leaving nothing, so there has to be firm evidence somewhere. It&#039;s not like a puddle that dried up (vapor in the atmosphere) or that a lake was drained somewhere else, if there was a great deal of water there once, it is still on the planet somewhere. In ice in the poles? Locked up in rocks? Maybe. The point is, just like how water molecules don&#039;t snuff out of existence on the Earth, they wouldn&#039;t there either. If it is so difficult to confirm, it just might be likely that it wasn&#039;t there in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Water can&#8217;t just disappear&#8230; it can change state from gas to liquid to solid, and it is doubtful that all the oceans of water just leaked into space leaving nothing, so there has to be firm evidence somewhere. It&#8217;s not like a puddle that dried up (vapor in the atmosphere) or that a lake was drained somewhere else, if there was a great deal of water there once, it is still on the planet somewhere. In ice in the poles? Locked up in rocks? Maybe. The point is, just like how water molecules don&#8217;t snuff out of existence on the Earth, they wouldn&#8217;t there either. If it is so difficult to confirm, it just might be likely that it wasn&#8217;t there in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Random Person</title>
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		<dc:creator>Random Person</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mark LaFlamme:

Digest and Digress are not the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mark LaFlamme:</p>
<p>Digest and Digress are not the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheyenne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheyenne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope I&#039;m not hijacking the thread too much. Sorry, bit off topic from the really exciting Mars news (finding more evidence of water there is very cool).

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/science/experiments/Summary.html

I really was wondering what science they do up there so I went to NASA&#039;s official page on it.

It&#039;s so bad that I&#039;m not even going to make fun of it. It&#039;s so bad that even NASA knows it&#039;s bad (and so fills it with repeated entries about &quot;journals&quot; and amateur radio and, and- we&#039;re now sending MORE people up there to do absolutely nothing worthwhile?!).

Oh, and Russia is going to be the sole gatekeeper to it for 5 plus years. Completely in control of access to it. They will have exclusive access to the &quot;Sleep-Wake Actigraphy and Light Exposure during Spaceflight-Long&quot; experiment! Those are journal entries of how good a night&#039;s sleep somebody had! Priceless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope I&#8217;m not hijacking the thread too much. Sorry, bit off topic from the really exciting Mars news (finding more evidence of water there is very cool).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/science/experiments/Summary.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/science/experiments/Summary.html</a></p>
<p>I really was wondering what science they do up there so I went to NASA&#8217;s official page on it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s so bad that I&#8217;m not even going to make fun of it. It&#8217;s so bad that even NASA knows it&#8217;s bad (and so fills it with repeated entries about &#8220;journals&#8221; and amateur radio and, and- we&#8217;re now sending MORE people up there to do absolutely nothing worthwhile?!).</p>
<p>Oh, and Russia is going to be the sole gatekeeper to it for 5 plus years. Completely in control of access to it. They will have exclusive access to the &#8220;Sleep-Wake Actigraphy and Light Exposure during Spaceflight-Long&#8221; experiment! Those are journal entries of how good a night&#8217;s sleep somebody had! Priceless.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheyenne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheyenne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark - I&#039;m well aware of what the various gov&#039;t agencies spend, and there is a lot of waste, I would like to see it cut, and I would definitely like to see NASA&#039;s budget expanded (big time I might add- provided it&#039;s spent well).

But all dumb spending should be cut- whether it&#039;s for failed crop subsidies, a war in Iraq, or, quite honestly, a space station whose merits for existence are just, well, not really justifiable. The fact is NASA has to live within a budget that Congress creates. They should make the smartest choices possible. Spitzer, Chandra, Mars Rovers, Cassini, etc. - these all have provided massive science returns.  ISS? Yeah, not so much. Fascinating toilets though.

What do they do up there in the space station anyway? Where are the scientific results? We know they won&#039;t use the station as a way point to Mars or the Moon. And the station isn&#039;t &quot;exploration&quot; to boldly go somewhere. It&#039;s low Earth orbit (yeah I know, &quot;halfway to anywhere&quot; when you get there- but they won&#039;t use it that way!).

I&#039;m not knocking NASA. I think NASA rocks. I want them to go find life on other planets (imagine being the agency that does that! As I said, EPIC) and make other kinds of great discoveries of our Universe. And I think they will be much more equipped to do that when they make the very, very difficult decision of admitting that the ISS is mostly a public works project of dubious scientific value. And then redirect funds (as best they can) to more worthwhile projects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark &#8211; I&#8217;m well aware of what the various gov&#8217;t agencies spend, and there is a lot of waste, I would like to see it cut, and I would definitely like to see NASA&#8217;s budget expanded (big time I might add- provided it&#8217;s spent well).</p>
<p>But all dumb spending should be cut- whether it&#8217;s for failed crop subsidies, a war in Iraq, or, quite honestly, a space station whose merits for existence are just, well, not really justifiable. The fact is NASA has to live within a budget that Congress creates. They should make the smartest choices possible. Spitzer, Chandra, Mars Rovers, Cassini, etc. &#8211; these all have provided massive science returns.  ISS? Yeah, not so much. Fascinating toilets though.</p>
<p>What do they do up there in the space station anyway? Where are the scientific results? We know they won&#8217;t use the station as a way point to Mars or the Moon. And the station isn&#8217;t &#8220;exploration&#8221; to boldly go somewhere. It&#8217;s low Earth orbit (yeah I know, &#8220;halfway to anywhere&#8221; when you get there- but they won&#8217;t use it that way!).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not knocking NASA. I think NASA rocks. I want them to go find life on other planets (imagine being the agency that does that! As I said, EPIC) and make other kinds of great discoveries of our Universe. And I think they will be much more equipped to do that when they make the very, very difficult decision of admitting that the ISS is mostly a public works project of dubious scientific value. And then redirect funds (as best they can) to more worthwhile projects.</p>
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		<title>By: Daffy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ad Hominen,

Stop getting your &quot;facts&quot; from Rush Limbaugh. The man is a shameless liar and you only make yourself look foolish by believing him.

The conservative viewpoint is a valid one (even if I personally disagree with it most of the time), but Rush Limbaugh is just dishonest to his very bones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ad Hominen,</p>
<p>Stop getting your &#8220;facts&#8221; from Rush Limbaugh. The man is a shameless liar and you only make yourself look foolish by believing him.</p>
<p>The conservative viewpoint is a valid one (even if I personally disagree with it most of the time), but Rush Limbaugh is just dishonest to his very bones.</p>
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