Paul Elliott

I am from the camp that UFOs and alien abductions are a complete myth. Space science entered into popular culture when scientists speculated the possibility of space travel during the late 1940′s. During the 1920′s and 1930′s, pulp fiction magazines were filled with imaginative stories that included space aliens abducting humans.

Science-fiction writer H.P. Lovecraft wrote stories about aliens coming long ago to interfere with ancient civilizations. But the UFO myth was taking shape even before that. During the late 1890′s, Americans were seeing flying machines in the skies, where some speculated they could be from Mars. This was contemporary with H.G. Wells’ “War of the Worlds.” During Wells’ time, it was known about the speculation of a possible Martian civilization.

Kenneth Arnold saw a Flying Saucer in 1947, sparking others to do the same, as they were influenced by media sensation of Arnold’s sighting. Then, the 1950′s came along with the contactees. Besides the hoaxers, many of them thought the end of the world was near.

In short, UFOs and alien abductions are a complete myth. In my book, “How Modern Society Invented UFOs,” my main point is that secularism brought on an age of anxiety, confusion, paranoia, and even spiritual emptiness. Where the ancients had their gods, some in the West have aliens from outer space.

I can’t believe we are alone in the universe never mind in this galaxy. Maybe this part of the galaxy doesn’t have the intelligent life to do it. But but us. If you figure if the clostest adavanced life about a radius of 100 to 300 light years. It is about 419 square light years to 1257 square light years that is alot area to be alone. And just being somewhat careful in that calcalion . They could be closer than that . It just a guess. But it provide the point. And that a small part of our galaxy. Even mind a much larger radius.

There are still many that don’t want to believe it is possibly true. Because they don’t want to believe it is remotely possable that could do it. And still need the ET Hillton towel to see it true. I believe you should be a little skeptical but, if you see it. And clear as day. It close a nuff to see the shape and the being flying it. You still can’t say possible . They can’t believe it true because it’s not in their logic.

It seems to me historically that science, and by science I mean the examination of evidence by direct observation, rather than opinion, always starts with someone putting together a set of methods, and instruments, that facilitate the collection of data.

I think this is the case with UFOs….ufos may be visiting our planet, and, if you think about it, Projects like SETI, may be missing this fact because they are using the wrong set of tools. So what I think is needed is an instrument maker, someone who provides the tools to the general public, scientists, etc., which allow the examination of direct evidence, or not, of UFOs.

Anyways, that is just my two cents worth. I think that is a better approach than looking at dusty old anecdotal records from Roswell, or, people who have a vested interest in saying “yes there are aliens” and “no there are not aliens” based on some monetary return.

James Loving

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I would like to formally retract all statements made previously regarding this topic.

UFO’s are nothing more than the definition of the acronym: Unidentified Flying Objects.

This does NOT equate to “alien spacecraft”. It simply implies the object is unknown in nature. Nothing more, nothing less.

Anyone who implies the United States government knows more than they have disclosed prior regarding UFO’s is making an assumption. An assumption that cannot be backed up nor substantiated by evidence, physical, circumstantial, or otherwise.

Any claims that UFO’s are anything other than natural or man-made phenomena are undeniably false and should be ignored.

Regards,
Alan Haggard
San Diego, CA

We have enough scientific data through years of exploration and development right now from geology, archeology, astronomy, chemistry, biology, engineering, history, etc., etc., to realize the vastness of space, our galaxy, distances, gravity, masses, gases, and many aspects of the known universe, to easily rationalize the abundance of life throughout the universe. I think we’ve all come to terms on that front.

Four billion stars in our galaxy alone ! And how many galaxies in the universe… probably trillions !

You need proof of aliens and ufos ? Well, we don’t have a clue as to how vast and complicated life-forms could possibly be in this universe, so we may not recognize evidence even if it were right up under our nose ! On the astronomical scale, humans have the life-span of a tic or a fly, and the universe is at least 13.5 billion years old. Don’t you think that there are things and life-forms so old beyond our comprehension that we may not be capable of detecting it with our limited senses ???

My point is simple. Earth grounded human-beings need to get up off their arrogance and skepticism, and start thinking with an open-mindedness rather than a closed minded approach to life and aliens.

Think of the size of an ant compared to a human-being. Think of the size of earth compared to the size of the sun. There are layers and scales beyond our imaginations.

Let’s look at this simple story of an intelligent being who wishes to travel from his home planet to Earth then return safely to his home planet. Just for the sake of easy math we’ll say that Earth is only 100 lights years away from his planet.

Mission one: View Earth from our home planet.
The image of Earth that the viewer sees is 100 years old given the fact of the speed of light.
So the image is Earth year 1509.

Mission two: Send a probe to Earth and get information.
The probe is launch and will take one hundreds years to arrive Earth. (now 1609) Once it lands it will send us information back to our home planet. The information will take one hundred years to arrive. Earth year is now 1709

Mission Three: Launch a manned craft to orbit the Earth.
The round trip manned mission will take us two hundred years. Photos of Earth’s technology will assist us in learning about it’s inhabitants. (Images would be Earth in it’s year 1809) Of course given the time difference for information, fact gathering is expected to not be up to date by the end of mission three. Earth year is now 1909

Mission Four: Walk on the Earth.
Our third mission taught us that the Earth beings do no have the technology of manned flight. They also are now capable of electronic communication. So a two hundred year mission is planned. Send a being one hundred light years to Earth. Land on the blue planet. Slaughter a cow. Draw designs on hay fields. Do not celebrate joyously of the successful mission or attempt to greet the Earth people. Do not leave a flag or any other evidence of your landing. Arrive back to the home planet. The Earth year is now 2109

Our crew members arrived Earth on Earth’s year 2009. The advancements of their technology took us slightly by surprise given the fact that this project has taken 500 years to achieve.

Was the trip worth it?

Mission Five: Fake future Earth landings.
Much less expensive and we can claim to travel faster than the speed of light.

Not always true.

Your governments lie to you. Why? They don’t think you can handle the truth. The real truth is mixed in with the untruth. If I told you the truth which is so simple it could set you free, but those of you who don’t believe in God will have a difficult time of it. What does God have to do with it? He arranged for us to be here for a reason. For His reason. What do other beings have to do with it? He made them for a reson too, only not all of them did what He asked. That’s why he arranged for us to be here. Out time is approaching its end. Oh don’t worry. If you’re reading this the end won’t be in your time unless it is you’re end. There is a reason for much of the visits from these “other” beings. Get right with your maker before your time runs out. Don’t worry about any thing else. You might write me off as another nut but just remember the remark right after the quote at the top of this message. Auf Wiedersehen.

We’ve been in off the grid, courtesy of mother-nature, for just shy of three and a half days, and I’ve been enjoying rereading Sagan’s “The Demon-Haunted World.” Highly recommended if it has not made your reading list yet.

Some other interesting books…
“How We Know What Isn’t So (The Fallacy of Reason in Everyday Life),” by Thomas Gilovich.
“Don’t Believe Everything You Think (The 6 Basic Mistakes We Make in Thinking),” by Thomas Kida.
“Mistakes Were Made (But Not By Me): Why We Justify Foolish Beliefs, Bad Decisions, and Hurtful Acts,” by Carol Tavris and Elliot Aronson.

Clear, dark skies, free of wasted light, Alan

At least Michael Horn is an obvious charlatan with clear, non-pathological motivation$.

I think it was Alan who suggested above, so many of these others seem to latch onto this nonsense because it offers them the opportunity to be instant experts in a subject that can be dressed up to appear as genuine science, because real science is a subject that requires to much work to actually study and master.

If on a continuum of fun we start with Michael Horn, move to this discussion and say that it is more fun, I fear a fun overload the next time.

You are probably right. However, my bet is that this issue will come up again, as it has many times before. Maybe next time it will be even more fun!

Kuhigget provided his evidence at December 10th, 2008 at 7:02 pm. Apparently you missed it.

Also, please re-read my comment at December 11th, 2008 at 12:04 pm advising you to not take everything so personally. I won’t reiterate it here, as it takes up a bit of space.

As for Alan’s questions, here are a couple that I didn’t notice a reply to:

If you don’t believe the evidence shows UFOs are alien spacecraft, why does the briefing document from the Disclosure Project you posted include many people who claim just that? If it didn’t reflect your viewpoint, why post it – at least without a disclaimer?

Also, do you believe Edgar Mitchell is a reliable source?

That was up at December 5th, 2008 at 7:26 am.

To everyone else, I think that this discussion died long ago. It is going nowhere, and it is apparent that Rory is going to continue taking personal umbrage at just about any comment directed at him, seeing personal attacks and deliberate twisting of words where there is none. I propose, then, that we let it all go and stop posting. The conversation is stagnant. Let it die.

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