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	<title>Comments on: Australian antiscience</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Steve-o</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/25/australian-antiscience/comment-page-1/#comment-137274</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve-o</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read it as &quot;This rack contains publications about Science, and also contains publications about Astrology.&quot;

If anything, it&#039;s only irritating in the sense that there aren&#039;t enough Science publications at that location to warrant a complete rack of their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read it as &#8220;This rack contains publications about Science, and also contains publications about Astrology.&#8221;</p>
<p>If anything, it&#8217;s only irritating in the sense that there aren&#8217;t enough Science publications at that location to warrant a complete rack of their own.</p>
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		<title>By: T.E.L.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/25/australian-antiscience/comment-page-1/#comment-137208</link>
		<dc:creator>T.E.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 00:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not talking about willful lies, or even whether or not people such as you and I would buy into it. I&#039;m talking about literature which both the authors and the readers accept as realistic. Just because *you* think it&#039;s garbage doesn&#039;t make it fiction. The Mayans believed that human sacrifice was fuel for the continued good health of the Cosmos. You and I think that&#039;s more than a little bit dumb. Was the Mayan religion fiction? No, it wasn&#039;t. It was just incorrect.  

And really, not all of the so-called science books in the science-section are what I&#039;d call scientific. Many are no more than opportunities to cash in on the public&#039;s naivete&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not talking about willful lies, or even whether or not people such as you and I would buy into it. I&#8217;m talking about literature which both the authors and the readers accept as realistic. Just because *you* think it&#8217;s garbage doesn&#8217;t make it fiction. The Mayans believed that human sacrifice was fuel for the continued good health of the Cosmos. You and I think that&#8217;s more than a little bit dumb. Was the Mayan religion fiction? No, it wasn&#8217;t. It was just incorrect.  </p>
<p>And really, not all of the so-called science books in the science-section are what I&#8217;d call scientific. Many are no more than opportunities to cash in on the public&#8217;s naivete&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Grinspoon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/25/australian-antiscience/comment-page-1/#comment-137205</link>
		<dc:creator>Grinspoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 00:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So The Secret was rightfully classified as non fiction?

It was Angus &amp; Robinson. I&#039;m looking at the New Age section on their site.

The Secret.. enough said..

How about this one?

Book of Answers - Just hold this powrful, one-of-a-kind book closed in your hands and concentrate on your question for a few seconds. Then open it at random and find the answer!

Amazing Power of Deliberate Intent: Living the Art of Allowing

Crystal Bible: The Definitive Guide to Every Crystal under the Sun - The directory covers the practical and esoteric properties of each crystal, including spiritual, mental, psychological, emotional and physical effects, plus its use in crystal healing.  

Angel Therapy: Healing Messages for Every Area of Your Life

Transit of Saturn - Explains &amp; defines growth patterns &amp; hidden purposes in light of a total person as Saturn transits the zodiac to aspect its natal placement. The Saturn cycle includes ego projection, struggle, action, analysis, perfection, distribution, reorientation &amp; mutation into the next cycle. Highlights ways to successfully use periods effectively &amp; efficiently.


To name a few i quickly found on there. I understand some people can find some value in the self help aspects of these books, however to have some of this crap classified as non-fiction is a joke. Just label it New Age and be done, don&#039;t try and pass it off as &quot;Non Fiction&quot; next to the science books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So The Secret was rightfully classified as non fiction?</p>
<p>It was Angus &#038; Robinson. I&#8217;m looking at the New Age section on their site.</p>
<p>The Secret.. enough said..</p>
<p>How about this one?</p>
<p>Book of Answers &#8211; Just hold this powrful, one-of-a-kind book closed in your hands and concentrate on your question for a few seconds. Then open it at random and find the answer!</p>
<p>Amazing Power of Deliberate Intent: Living the Art of Allowing</p>
<p>Crystal Bible: The Definitive Guide to Every Crystal under the Sun &#8211; The directory covers the practical and esoteric properties of each crystal, including spiritual, mental, psychological, emotional and physical effects, plus its use in crystal healing.  </p>
<p>Angel Therapy: Healing Messages for Every Area of Your Life</p>
<p>Transit of Saturn &#8211; Explains &#038; defines growth patterns &#038; hidden purposes in light of a total person as Saturn transits the zodiac to aspect its natal placement. The Saturn cycle includes ego projection, struggle, action, analysis, perfection, distribution, reorientation &#038; mutation into the next cycle. Highlights ways to successfully use periods effectively &#038; efficiently.</p>
<p>To name a few i quickly found on there. I understand some people can find some value in the self help aspects of these books, however to have some of this crap classified as non-fiction is a joke. Just label it New Age and be done, don&#8217;t try and pass it off as &#8220;Non Fiction&#8221; next to the science books.</p>
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		<title>By: T.E.L.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/25/australian-antiscience/comment-page-1/#comment-137176</link>
		<dc:creator>T.E.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 20:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Just because something is espoused as non fiction doesn’t mean it isn’t fiction. In fact, if some writing is highly inaccurate, that would be a good definition of FICTION&quot;

That&#039;s a load of crap. There&#039;s very sincere stuff in refereed scientific journals often enough that turns out to be literally incorrect. Are these journals then publishers of fiction?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Just because something is espoused as non fiction doesn’t mean it isn’t fiction. In fact, if some writing is highly inaccurate, that would be a good definition of FICTION&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a load of crap. There&#8217;s very sincere stuff in refereed scientific journals often enough that turns out to be literally incorrect. Are these journals then publishers of fiction?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Ansorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Ansorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because something is espoused as non fiction doesn&#039;t mean it isn&#039;t fiction. In fact, if some writing is highly inaccurate, that would be a good definition of FICTION,,,

GAry 7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because something is espoused as non fiction doesn&#8217;t mean it isn&#8217;t fiction. In fact, if some writing is highly inaccurate, that would be a good definition of FICTION,,,</p>
<p>GAry 7</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 04:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More sciencey stuff. Well.. kinda sorta semi=sciency in a looney tunes kinda way.. maybe.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://failblog.org/2008/11/26/science-fail-3/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;img class=&quot;alignnone size-full wp-image-8795&quot; title=&quot;fail-owned-earthquake-science-news-fail&quot; src=&quot;http://failblog.wordpress.com/files/2008/11/fail-owned-earthquake-science-news-fail.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;fail owned pwned pictures&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;see more &lt;a href=&quot;http://failblog.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pwn and owned pictures&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More sciencey stuff. Well.. kinda sorta semi=sciency in a looney tunes kinda way.. maybe.</p>
<p><a href="http://failblog.org/2008/11/26/science-fail-3/" rel="nofollow"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-8795" title="fail-owned-earthquake-science-news-fail" src="http://failblog.wordpress.com/files/2008/11/fail-owned-earthquake-science-news-fail.jpg" alt="fail owned pwned pictures" /></a><br />see more <a href="http://failblog.org" rel="nofollow">pwn and owned pictures</a></p>
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		<title>By: T.E.L.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/25/australian-antiscience/comment-page-1/#comment-136981</link>
		<dc:creator>T.E.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 00:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why wouldn&#039;t New Age be under non-fiction? It&#039;s written as non-fiction, and those who take it seriously read is as such. People from our school of thought may not think highly of it, and it may be literally inaccurate, but it&#039;s not fiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why wouldn&#8217;t New Age be under non-fiction? It&#8217;s written as non-fiction, and those who take it seriously read is as such. People from our school of thought may not think highly of it, and it may be literally inaccurate, but it&#8217;s not fiction.</p>
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		<title>By: quasidog</title>
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		<dc:creator>quasidog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 00:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL Grinspoon.   When I go and buy my computer mags, or my astronomy mags, right next to it is always .... Nexus Magazine, and its ilk.  I read that magazine a few times and really think it needs to be in the comedy section, ok jks, the new age section.  Last time I read it ( a few years back ) was when a mate urged me to read an article on perpetual energy machines.   He was trying desperately to convince me these machines were coming out in a year or so, because Nexus magazine was a .. science magazine.    :/

Anyone that is not familiar with Nexus, its a new age magazine promoting anti-science but disguising itself as real science.   I have to be careful when I dismiss it in front of certain people I know as they are so dogmatic about the claims they make as being &#039;thoroughly scientific&#039;.  Some people get real defensive when you point out its anti-scientific nature.   The same sort of people, I find, think the so called science on &#039;Ghost Hunters&#039; is flawless.  :/   When I watch that show all I think of is ... a bunch of magic tricks, not unlike Chris Angel or other magicians.   Whoa, digression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL Grinspoon.   When I go and buy my computer mags, or my astronomy mags, right next to it is always &#8230;. Nexus Magazine, and its ilk.  I read that magazine a few times and really think it needs to be in the comedy section, ok jks, the new age section.  Last time I read it ( a few years back ) was when a mate urged me to read an article on perpetual energy machines.   He was trying desperately to convince me these machines were coming out in a year or so, because Nexus magazine was a .. science magazine.    :/</p>
<p>Anyone that is not familiar with Nexus, its a new age magazine promoting anti-science but disguising itself as real science.   I have to be careful when I dismiss it in front of certain people I know as they are so dogmatic about the claims they make as being &#8216;thoroughly scientific&#8217;.  Some people get real defensive when you point out its anti-scientific nature.   The same sort of people, I find, think the so called science on &#8216;Ghost Hunters&#8217; is flawless.  :/   When I watch that show all I think of is &#8230; a bunch of magic tricks, not unlike Chris Angel or other magicians.   Whoa, digression.</p>
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		<title>By: Grinspoon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/25/australian-antiscience/comment-page-1/#comment-136960</link>
		<dc:creator>Grinspoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im an aussie, and was down the shops yesterday aftering seeing this.

The science was next to astology but it was all under general interest.

Was in a book shop as well and New Age was under Non-Fiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im an aussie, and was down the shops yesterday aftering seeing this.</p>
<p>The science was next to astology but it was all under general interest.</p>
<p>Was in a book shop as well and New Age was under Non-Fiction.</p>
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		<title>By: quasidog</title>
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		<dc:creator>quasidog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mentioned this a few times in your blog a few months or maybe a year ago, but my comments about the problem of astrology being so pervasive in out society, and being confused with real science in Australia were largely waved away by some posters, as insignificant.

 I am glad to see this photo.  It highlights what I was referring to.   I am not trying to &#039;big up&#039; the fact that I &#039;told you so&#039;, but I do feel slightly vindicated to see it presented by someone such as Richard Saunders, whom I do respect.  Great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mentioned this a few times in your blog a few months or maybe a year ago, but my comments about the problem of astrology being so pervasive in out society, and being confused with real science in Australia were largely waved away by some posters, as insignificant.</p>
<p> I am glad to see this photo.  It highlights what I was referring to.   I am not trying to &#8216;big up&#8217; the fact that I &#8216;told you so&#8217;, but I do feel slightly vindicated to see it presented by someone such as Richard Saunders, whom I do respect.  Great post.</p>
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		<title>By: T.E.L.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/25/australian-antiscience/comment-page-1/#comment-136836</link>
		<dc:creator>T.E.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>StevoR,

Phil doesn&#039;t say that Australians are Jewish. He says that his Jewish Australian friends would say &quot;Oi!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>StevoR,</p>
<p>Phil doesn&#8217;t say that Australians are Jewish. He says that his Jewish Australian friends would say &#8220;Oi!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: StevoR</title>
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		<dc:creator>StevoR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bad yes. 

But well its least its not as bad as a newspaper account I once saw crediting * astrologers * with discovering a new pulsar! ;-) &lt;roll&gt;  

BTW. Don&#039;t know why the BA has the notion that Australians are jewish -we&#039;re actually a very multicultural and secular society with more Muslims, Christians and others than Jews. As elsewhere in most of the Western world the Jews are a small minority albeit one with their usual vastly disproportionate wealth and influence. &lt;i&gt; (Jews compose less than 5 % of the population of Oz, the US, Uk etc ..and yet they have so ridiculously much media control and political clout esp. regarding the continuing Israeli ocuupation and persecution of the Palestineans. A whole other story there anyway ..and off-track.) &lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bad yes. </p>
<p>But well its least its not as bad as a newspaper account I once saw crediting * astrologers * with discovering a new pulsar! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  <roll>  </p>
<p>BTW. Don&#8217;t know why the BA has the notion that Australians are jewish -we&#8217;re actually a very multicultural and secular society with more Muslims, Christians and others than Jews. As elsewhere in most of the Western world the Jews are a small minority albeit one with their usual vastly disproportionate wealth and influence. <i> (Jews compose less than 5 % of the population of Oz, the US, Uk etc ..and yet they have so ridiculously much media control and political clout esp. regarding the continuing Israeli ocuupation and persecution of the Palestineans. A whole other story there anyway ..and off-track.) </i></roll></p>
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		<title>By: Deepak</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/25/australian-antiscience/comment-page-1/#comment-136784</link>
		<dc:creator>Deepak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 08:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because someone believes in science need not mean that he/she is anti-science. When Chandrayaan-1 was place in the orbit around moon, several pictures were appearing in the newspaper of priests in the temple praying and worshiping the gods for success of the science mission. The priest would be a complete believer in creationism and astrology but he also prays for the success of science. Isn&#039;t that great as against scientist how keep ridiculing other beliefs...Orthodox belief and modern science can co-exist and need not be at the cost of each other.

Scientists have a long way to go before they can understand that both science and astrology have a place and can exist harmoniously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because someone believes in science need not mean that he/she is anti-science. When Chandrayaan-1 was place in the orbit around moon, several pictures were appearing in the newspaper of priests in the temple praying and worshiping the gods for success of the science mission. The priest would be a complete believer in creationism and astrology but he also prays for the success of science. Isn&#8217;t that great as against scientist how keep ridiculing other beliefs&#8230;Orthodox belief and modern science can co-exist and need not be at the cost of each other.</p>
<p>Scientists have a long way to go before they can understand that both science and astrology have a place and can exist harmoniously.</p>
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		<title>By: Johny Ho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johny Ho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 08:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is kind of bizarre.
But as RIch ssaid, it wouldn&#039;t hurt for some new age fan, accidentally picking up some real science content once in a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is kind of bizarre.<br />
But as RIch ssaid, it wouldn&#8217;t hurt for some new age fan, accidentally picking up some real science content once in a while.</p>
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		<title>By: JB of Brisbane</title>
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		<dc:creator>JB of Brisbane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 05:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris Owen - I can almost see that Angus &amp; Robertson from my office window.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris Owen &#8211; I can almost see that Angus &#038; Robertson from my office window.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Common in australia.  Hard to envision why this is &quot;annoying&quot; as typically, I&#039;d be less comfortable having pornography next to science.   Nobody here thinks that the two words are equivalent.  Even if they did, it&#039;d be a one way mistake and having new age fans accidentally picking up genuine science wouldn&#039;t exactly be the end of the world.  It&#039;d be a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Common in australia.  Hard to envision why this is &#8220;annoying&#8221; as typically, I&#8217;d be less comfortable having pornography next to science.   Nobody here thinks that the two words are equivalent.  Even if they did, it&#8217;d be a one way mistake and having new age fans accidentally picking up genuine science wouldn&#8217;t exactly be the end of the world.  It&#8217;d be a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Skelliot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skelliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 01:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is Dora doing in there? She should be in the Technical Engineering section!

Oh btw, if you want to see some Australian Science, head to www.youngausskeptics.com!! :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is Dora doing in there? She should be in the Technical Engineering section!</p>
<p>Oh btw, if you want to see some Australian Science, head to <a href="http://www.youngausskeptics.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youngausskeptics.com</a>!! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Chris Owen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/25/australian-antiscience/comment-page-1/#comment-136692</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 01:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  This.

Here where I live in Australia, every newsagent is the same.  They bundle science with the fringe.  Very annoying.  (That said, when thumbing through some of the new astronomy mags I&#039;ll occasionally pick up one of the pseudoscience ones just for laughs.  They ARE funny, at the very least - though not intentionally).

On a slightly related topic, (and I&#039;ll give store names/locations for those of you playing along at home) - I went into the Angus &amp; Robertson bookstore in Brisbane city (the one just down from Anzac Square) a few weeks ago after finishing my university exams.  To find the science books, I had to go to the very back of the store where they were crammed onto half of a small shelf.  After seeing that they had nothing new (most of the book shops generally seem to have the same science books), I had a snoop around the rest of the shop.  At the front they had an entire bookshelf devoted to astrology, crystals and other new age garbage.  

Blagh.

But like others have said, I guess it&#039;s just a case of &quot;they just don&#039;t care&quot;.  Peope do actually buy that garbage, and it&#039;s got to go somewhere.  Hopefully there have been occasions where someone looking for an antiscience magazine has accidently picked up one of the good ones and &#039;seen the light&#039;.  Though I guess that could work both ways. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  This.</p>
<p>Here where I live in Australia, every newsagent is the same.  They bundle science with the fringe.  Very annoying.  (That said, when thumbing through some of the new astronomy mags I&#8217;ll occasionally pick up one of the pseudoscience ones just for laughs.  They ARE funny, at the very least &#8211; though not intentionally).</p>
<p>On a slightly related topic, (and I&#8217;ll give store names/locations for those of you playing along at home) &#8211; I went into the Angus &#038; Robertson bookstore in Brisbane city (the one just down from Anzac Square) a few weeks ago after finishing my university exams.  To find the science books, I had to go to the very back of the store where they were crammed onto half of a small shelf.  After seeing that they had nothing new (most of the book shops generally seem to have the same science books), I had a snoop around the rest of the shop.  At the front they had an entire bookshelf devoted to astrology, crystals and other new age garbage.  </p>
<p>Blagh.</p>
<p>But like others have said, I guess it&#8217;s just a case of &#8220;they just don&#8217;t care&#8221;.  Peope do actually buy that garbage, and it&#8217;s got to go somewhere.  Hopefully there have been occasions where someone looking for an antiscience magazine has accidently picked up one of the good ones and &#8216;seen the light&#8217;.  Though I guess that could work both ways. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Randy A.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/25/australian-antiscience/comment-page-1/#comment-136685</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in the Los Angeles area, I have seen science mags next to mens mags! And astrology next to womens mags.

Sexism, obviously. But also anti-science, since biologists have noted that possession of double x chromosomes doesn&#039;t make one stupid, and a y chromosome doesn&#039;t make one better at science.

In a different post, the BA speculated about intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. I wonder if there&#039;s any intelligent life here on Earth...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in the Los Angeles area, I have seen science mags next to mens mags! And astrology next to womens mags.</p>
<p>Sexism, obviously. But also anti-science, since biologists have noted that possession of double x chromosomes doesn&#8217;t make one stupid, and a y chromosome doesn&#8217;t make one better at science.</p>
<p>In a different post, the BA speculated about intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. I wonder if there&#8217;s any intelligent life here on Earth&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Hansen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/25/australian-antiscience/comment-page-1/#comment-136684</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m taking a &quot;glass half-full&quot; approach. I read it as Science slash Astrology. A very satisfying thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m taking a &#8220;glass half-full&#8221; approach. I read it as Science slash Astrology. A very satisfying thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Markk</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/25/australian-antiscience/comment-page-1/#comment-136664</link>
		<dc:creator>Markk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its true I&#039;m afraid. In virtually all newsagents here in Australia, the Science section is right next to the Astrology/New Age section. Not sure it matters - everything must be next to something, right? What are they next to in the States? (Nudist mags maybe?)

In Oz, typically the New Age section is on one side, and Archaeology on the other - and Creation magazine, if its stocked, is in the Science section. Oi indeed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its true I&#8217;m afraid. In virtually all newsagents here in Australia, the Science section is right next to the Astrology/New Age section. Not sure it matters &#8211; everything must be next to something, right? What are they next to in the States? (Nudist mags maybe?)</p>
<p>In Oz, typically the New Age section is on one side, and Archaeology on the other &#8211; and Creation magazine, if its stocked, is in the Science section. Oi indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul M.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/25/australian-antiscience/comment-page-1/#comment-136663</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is probably why I get my magazines by subscription now... I can&#039;t stand having to search through all the cr..rubbish when I&#039;m looking for something new.  Worse is when there is no section that says astrology and they are all mixed in with the science. Is this just Australia or is it happening anywhere else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is probably why I get my magazines by subscription now&#8230; I can&#8217;t stand having to search through all the cr..rubbish when I&#8217;m looking for something new.  Worse is when there is no section that says astrology and they are all mixed in with the science. Is this just Australia or is it happening anywhere else?</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/25/australian-antiscience/comment-page-1/#comment-136654</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah! You see! This is what those &#039;Christians Against Cartoons&#039; have warned us about!

Dora carries the vicious double-header of science AND astrology! It&#039;s the devil&#039;s work, I tells ya!

I&#039;ll poke around our local shopping centre and try and find out which chain of newsagents this is, so you can all write nasty letters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah! You see! This is what those &#8216;Christians Against Cartoons&#8217; have warned us about!</p>
<p>Dora carries the vicious double-header of science AND astrology! It&#8217;s the devil&#8217;s work, I tells ya!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll poke around our local shopping centre and try and find out which chain of newsagents this is, so you can all write nasty letters.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristin C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristin C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah, I&#039;ll tell you what&#039;s worse: I applied for a job at the norwegian defense research institute a while ago, and they use an online database for storing CVs, which also many other companies use.

Well, I was supposed to fill in my field of study in this database. I had to choose &quot;physics&quot;, because I couldn&#039;t find &quot;astronomy&quot; or &quot;astrophysics&quot; on the list (which is my field obviously).

Astrology, however, was there.

A major headdesk if there ever was one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, I&#8217;ll tell you what&#8217;s worse: I applied for a job at the norwegian defense research institute a while ago, and they use an online database for storing CVs, which also many other companies use.</p>
<p>Well, I was supposed to fill in my field of study in this database. I had to choose &#8220;physics&#8221;, because I couldn&#8217;t find &#8220;astronomy&#8221; or &#8220;astrophysics&#8221; on the list (which is my field obviously).</p>
<p>Astrology, however, was there.</p>
<p>A major headdesk if there ever was one.</p>
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		<title>By: The Chemist</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/25/australian-antiscience/comment-page-1/#comment-136646</link>
		<dc:creator>The Chemist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank god alchemy&#039;s gone out style. I never have to worry about that when reaching the chemistry section... the tiny, miniscule, three or four book chemistry section. 

;_;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank god alchemy&#8217;s gone out style. I never have to worry about that when reaching the chemistry section&#8230; the tiny, miniscule, three or four book chemistry section. </p>
<p>;_;</p>
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