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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/30/ufobama/comment-page-4/#comment-205335</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 02:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More warp drive videos have been posted on 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More warp drive videos have been posted on </p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/30/ufobama/comment-page-3/#comment-175909</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has got to be depressing for UFO believers and “researchers” to know that, after 60 years, we don’t know even one additional fact about UFO’s. I was a believer as a teen, but began to see that Ufology as a science makes for a pretty good casserole recipe.

Stephen Bassett, the organizer of the conference, is on the record saying that he does not care about the credibility of his “witnesses”. And he presents witnesses who are discredited, disheveled and disappointing. Some are known frauds.

Hilariously, at yesterday’s press conference, Bassett threatened the government with the release of embarrassing documents if they don’t precipitate the “disclosure event” by the end of May.

Somehow, I don’t think the government (or anyone) even noticed. And Bassett will go back to his borrowed couches and basement rooms until next year, when his credibility is sure to be somewhat less (and hey, it wasn’t very high anyway).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has got to be depressing for UFO believers and “researchers” to know that, after 60 years, we don’t know even one additional fact about UFO’s. I was a believer as a teen, but began to see that Ufology as a science makes for a pretty good casserole recipe.</p>
<p>Stephen Bassett, the organizer of the conference, is on the record saying that he does not care about the credibility of his “witnesses”. And he presents witnesses who are discredited, disheveled and disappointing. Some are known frauds.</p>
<p>Hilariously, at yesterday’s press conference, Bassett threatened the government with the release of embarrassing documents if they don’t precipitate the “disclosure event” by the end of May.</p>
<p>Somehow, I don’t think the government (or anyone) even noticed. And Bassett will go back to his borrowed couches and basement rooms until next year, when his credibility is sure to be somewhat less (and hey, it wasn’t very high anyway).</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/30/ufobama/comment-page-3/#comment-140351</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.&quot; Carl Sagan

The more extraordinary the claim, the more extraordinary the proof has to be.  It is really that simple.  So far the proof isn&#039;t even ordinary... it&#039;s nonexistent!

Danny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.&#8221; Carl Sagan</p>
<p>The more extraordinary the claim, the more extraordinary the proof has to be.  It is really that simple.  So far the proof isn&#8217;t even ordinary&#8230; it&#8217;s nonexistent!</p>
<p>Danny</p>
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		<title>By: Alan French</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/30/ufobama/comment-page-3/#comment-139249</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan French</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg in Austin Says, in part:
December 5th, 2008 at 11:52 pm

And I would be HIGHLY SKEPTICAL of a copy of a copy of a copy of a story that is posted on a website like ufocasebook.com. That website is clearly willing to post photos that are clearly fake under the heading “Breaking UFO News Reports.” 

@Greg,

And it is never just about UFOs.  Not only are such sites terribly uncritical, but they almost always include links, books, or DVDs for all manner of pseudo-scientific beliefs - psychic abilities, the lost city of Atlantis, and so on.  It gives them a very credulous tone, and greatly detracts from their believability regarding UFOs.

Clear skies, Alan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg in Austin Says, in part:<br />
December 5th, 2008 at 11:52 pm</p>
<p>And I would be HIGHLY SKEPTICAL of a copy of a copy of a copy of a story that is posted on a website like ufocasebook.com. That website is clearly willing to post photos that are clearly fake under the heading “Breaking UFO News Reports.” </p>
<p>@Greg,</p>
<p>And it is never just about UFOs.  Not only are such sites terribly uncritical, but they almost always include links, books, or DVDs for all manner of pseudo-scientific beliefs &#8211; psychic abilities, the lost city of Atlantis, and so on.  It gives them a very credulous tone, and greatly detracts from their believability regarding UFOs.</p>
<p>Clear skies, Alan</p>
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		<title>By: Alan French</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/30/ufobama/comment-page-3/#comment-139150</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan French</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the Lonnie Zamora/Socorro sighting...

Here is one possible earthly explanation...
http://www.nmsr.org/socorro.htm

It was interesting to contrast Lonnie Zamora’s “Blue Book” report with descriptions elsewhere. He first said he “Saw two people in white coveralls very close to the object.” and later offered “These persons appeared normal in shape–but possibly they were small adults or large kids.” He also noted he saw them for perhaps two seconds. (Given the distance - 150 to 200 yards - and brief look, he could certainly have mistaken their size.)

Reports on “UFO sites” include “[Zamora] then noticed two beings that he thought at first to be children,” “[Zamora] reported seeing two, small aliens,” or said he saw “humanoid figures.”

There are also embellishments on his description of the two people, of the craft, and of his description of its flight.

I suggest reading Zamora&#039;s report as written in Project Bluebook and then visiting some of the UFO sites and reading their versions.  Nothing like changing the facts a little to support your view.  And then they wonder why many people tend to be skeptical of such things.

Clear skies, Alan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the Lonnie Zamora/Socorro sighting&#8230;</p>
<p>Here is one possible earthly explanation&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.nmsr.org/socorro.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.nmsr.org/socorro.htm</a></p>
<p>It was interesting to contrast Lonnie Zamora’s “Blue Book” report with descriptions elsewhere. He first said he “Saw two people in white coveralls very close to the object.” and later offered “These persons appeared normal in shape–but possibly they were small adults or large kids.” He also noted he saw them for perhaps two seconds. (Given the distance &#8211; 150 to 200 yards &#8211; and brief look, he could certainly have mistaken their size.)</p>
<p>Reports on “UFO sites” include “[Zamora] then noticed two beings that he thought at first to be children,” “[Zamora] reported seeing two, small aliens,” or said he saw “humanoid figures.”</p>
<p>There are also embellishments on his description of the two people, of the craft, and of his description of its flight.</p>
<p>I suggest reading Zamora&#8217;s report as written in Project Bluebook and then visiting some of the UFO sites and reading their versions.  Nothing like changing the facts a little to support your view.  And then they wonder why many people tend to be skeptical of such things.</p>
<p>Clear skies, Alan</p>
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		<title>By: Greg in Austin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/30/ufobama/comment-page-3/#comment-139136</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg in Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 06:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>waynecramp said, &lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;As I said, the reports are enough for me to WANT TO STUDY THE SITUATION FURTHER (caps intended) rather than to close my mind to the possibility because I just can’t conceive how it could possibly be true.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Please, feel free to study these reports. Check the sources, and check the background of those who are claiming these reports are really aliens. Perform your scientific analysis of these stories, then come back here with your conclusions.

Why do you assume that scientists have not already debunked those stories? Don&#039;t you think that the story of Kelly Johnson would have been researched in the past 55 years? Don&#039;t you think that if this story had any real physical evidence to support the claims, that someone in the past 55 years, would have said something?

And I would be HIGHLY SKEPTICAL of a copy of a copy of a copy of a story that is posted on a website like ufocasebook.com. That website is clearly willing to post photos that are clearly fake under the heading &quot;Breaking UFO News Reports.&quot; 

Keep an open mind, but close it a little when you feel your brains falling out.

8)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>waynecramp said,<br />
<blockquote>&#8220;As I said, the reports are enough for me to WANT TO STUDY THE SITUATION FURTHER (caps intended) rather than to close my mind to the possibility because I just can’t conceive how it could possibly be true.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Please, feel free to study these reports. Check the sources, and check the background of those who are claiming these reports are really aliens. Perform your scientific analysis of these stories, then come back here with your conclusions.</p>
<p>Why do you assume that scientists have not already debunked those stories? Don&#8217;t you think that the story of Kelly Johnson would have been researched in the past 55 years? Don&#8217;t you think that if this story had any real physical evidence to support the claims, that someone in the past 55 years, would have said something?</p>
<p>And I would be HIGHLY SKEPTICAL of a copy of a copy of a copy of a story that is posted on a website like ufocasebook.com. That website is clearly willing to post photos that are clearly fake under the heading &#8220;Breaking UFO News Reports.&#8221; </p>
<p>Keep an open mind, but close it a little when you feel your brains falling out.</p>
<p> <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alan French</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/11/30/ufobama/comment-page-3/#comment-139117</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan French</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 02:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OTOH, people who believe UFOs are alien spacecraft, rarely seem to &quot;let go&quot; of any case, not if a reasonable and sensible earthy cause has been found (Roswell), nor if it is simply weak and not credible (Barney and Betty Hill).  

If there is some real data hidden in the noise, the uncritical UFO proponents are not doing much to help ferret it out.  

Clear skies, Alan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OTOH, people who believe UFOs are alien spacecraft, rarely seem to &#8220;let go&#8221; of any case, not if a reasonable and sensible earthy cause has been found (Roswell), nor if it is simply weak and not credible (Barney and Betty Hill).  </p>
<p>If there is some real data hidden in the noise, the uncritical UFO proponents are not doing much to help ferret it out.  </p>
<p>Clear skies, Alan</p>
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