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	<title>Comments on: Touching Hubble&#8217;s history</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Paul M.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/03/touching-hubbles-history/comment-page-1/#comment-138863</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On my first ever trip to the US I had the best part of a day to kill to try and avoid jet lag... so what to do - drive up Mt Wilson. That winding road was an interesting experience for one not used to driving on the wrong side of the road, especially after just getting off a long flight. Worth it though, the sense of coolness was much as you describe - thanks for the words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On my first ever trip to the US I had the best part of a day to kill to try and avoid jet lag&#8230; so what to do &#8211; drive up Mt Wilson. That winding road was an interesting experience for one not used to driving on the wrong side of the road, especially after just getting off a long flight. Worth it though, the sense of coolness was much as you describe &#8211; thanks for the words.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Drumm The Astronomy Bum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Drumm The Astronomy Bum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One problem that observatories have encountered, Max, is with the National Register of Historic Places. You&#039;d think that getting on the Register would do the trick, but they prevent modifications of the telescope, like, say, putting a spectrometer on the scope, or upgrading the tailpiece. Clearly not in the observatory&#039;s best interests.

If such an EPO Consortium could be founded (I hereby nominate you &amp; Phil to the advisory board) perhaps such an august (september?) organization could inveigh on the Register&#039;s sensibilities to allow observatories to be on the list without being hamstrung...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One problem that observatories have encountered, Max, is with the National Register of Historic Places. You&#8217;d think that getting on the Register would do the trick, but they prevent modifications of the telescope, like, say, putting a spectrometer on the scope, or upgrading the tailpiece. Clearly not in the observatory&#8217;s best interests.</p>
<p>If such an EPO Consortium could be founded (I hereby nominate you &#038; Phil to the advisory board) perhaps such an august (september?) organization could inveigh on the Register&#8217;s sensibilities to allow observatories to be on the list without being hamstrung&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic account, Phil -- thank you. I&#039;m also an astronomer and while at a DPS conference in Pasadena a few years ago, I just had to sneak away and make a pilgrimage up to Mt. Wilson. I&#039;ve been working on HST for 18 years, so it was a profoundly satisfying experience for me to walk around the spot where Edwin Hubble, our namesake, changed the world.

I have also visited the even-older Yerkes Observatory in Williams Bay, Wisconsin, and I&#039;ve been involved in their educational outreach efforts. It is another inspiring place to visit, and I encourage you to make that trek if you haven&#039;t already. 

I think you would be as mortified as me (and many other astronomers) if any of these cultural icons were ever bulldozed or otherwise made inaccessible. I wonder if Yerkes, Lick, Mt. Wilson, and other historic observatories could form an educational outreach consortium that would help ensure each others future (rather than each of them fending off developers, etc, for themselves)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic account, Phil &#8212; thank you. I&#8217;m also an astronomer and while at a DPS conference in Pasadena a few years ago, I just had to sneak away and make a pilgrimage up to Mt. Wilson. I&#8217;ve been working on HST for 18 years, so it was a profoundly satisfying experience for me to walk around the spot where Edwin Hubble, our namesake, changed the world.</p>
<p>I have also visited the even-older Yerkes Observatory in Williams Bay, Wisconsin, and I&#8217;ve been involved in their educational outreach efforts. It is another inspiring place to visit, and I encourage you to make that trek if you haven&#8217;t already. </p>
<p>I think you would be as mortified as me (and many other astronomers) if any of these cultural icons were ever bulldozed or otherwise made inaccessible. I wonder if Yerkes, Lick, Mt. Wilson, and other historic observatories could form an educational outreach consortium that would help ensure each others future (rather than each of them fending off developers, etc, for themselves)?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Drumm The Astronomy Bum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Drumm The Astronomy Bum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 05:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I over parenthesized that comment...
Oh well...
:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I over parenthesized that comment&#8230;<br />
Oh well&#8230;<br />
 <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Richard Drumm The Astronomy Bum</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/03/touching-hubbles-history/comment-page-1/#comment-138621</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Drumm The Astronomy Bum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 05:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah, by the way, at tonight&#039;s CAS meeting at McCormick Observatory one of the door prizes that I handed out was a copy of &quot;Death From The Skies&quot;. I gave one away last month too. 

Our speaker was Dr. Mark Whittle (Phil, he sends his fond regards!) who explained that the WMAP image of the CMB (which is  is basically a microscopic (you read that right: MICROscopic) view of the universe&#039;s quantum state graininess (at the beginning of the inflationary period) when it was the size of a bacterium! So the 27 Billion Light Year wide CMB (13.5 billion LY to the left &amp; 13.5 billion LY to the right = 27 billion LY diameter) is an imprint of a bacterium sized universe! 

And all us BA Blogees where right there, melted into pure energy and stuff...

Dr. Whittle got a long ovation at the end of his talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, by the way, at tonight&#8217;s CAS meeting at McCormick Observatory one of the door prizes that I handed out was a copy of &#8220;Death From The Skies&#8221;. I gave one away last month too. </p>
<p>Our speaker was Dr. Mark Whittle (Phil, he sends his fond regards!) who explained that the WMAP image of the CMB (which is  is basically a microscopic (you read that right: MICROscopic) view of the universe&#8217;s quantum state graininess (at the beginning of the inflationary period) when it was the size of a bacterium! So the 27 Billion Light Year wide CMB (13.5 billion LY to the left &#038; 13.5 billion LY to the right = 27 billion LY diameter) is an imprint of a bacterium sized universe! </p>
<p>And all us BA Blogees where right there, melted into pure energy and stuff&#8230;</p>
<p>Dr. Whittle got a long ovation at the end of his talk.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Drumm The Astronomy Bum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Drumm The Astronomy Bum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 05:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Naomi:
You should come east to Charlottesville, Va sometime and touch that 26&quot; Clark at UVa that I referred to above. One of my favorite things to do is point it by hand at Jupiter or Saturn and set it up. The tactile experience is priceless. It just doesn&#039;t compare to today&#039;s go-to scopes. Very satisfying. If you&#039;re an astronomer you can contact us at CAS and maybe we can even arrange a personal tour.

The telescope is open to the public on the 1st &amp; 3rd Fridays of each month for &quot;Public Night&quot; observing. On the 2nd &amp; 4th Fridays we at CAS operate the scope for &quot;Group Night&quot; where Girl Scouts, Boy Scouts, school groups and such can observe through the scope. 

We do a PowerPoint presentation in the attached classroom and the kids can touch a fragment of the Barringer Meteor Crater meteorite. If it&#039;s clear the dome is opened up and we observer what targets of opportunity present themselves. If it&#039;s cloudy the scope itself is rather extremely cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naomi:<br />
You should come east to Charlottesville, Va sometime and touch that 26&#8243; Clark at UVa that I referred to above. One of my favorite things to do is point it by hand at Jupiter or Saturn and set it up. The tactile experience is priceless. It just doesn&#8217;t compare to today&#8217;s go-to scopes. Very satisfying. If you&#8217;re an astronomer you can contact us at CAS and maybe we can even arrange a personal tour.</p>
<p>The telescope is open to the public on the 1st &#038; 3rd Fridays of each month for &#8220;Public Night&#8221; observing. On the 2nd &#038; 4th Fridays we at CAS operate the scope for &#8220;Group Night&#8221; where Girl Scouts, Boy Scouts, school groups and such can observe through the scope. </p>
<p>We do a PowerPoint presentation in the attached classroom and the kids can touch a fragment of the Barringer Meteor Crater meteorite. If it&#8217;s clear the dome is opened up and we observer what targets of opportunity present themselves. If it&#8217;s cloudy the scope itself is rather extremely cool.</p>
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		<title>By: T.E.L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>T.E.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 04:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johnny,
 
I guy I used to work with was once called to NASA on an engineering issue. While at the VAB he was invited up into the service scaffolds of the space shuttle Challenger. His host encouraged him to go ahead and touch the tiles with his bare hands, which he did with some enthusiasm. The Challenger was at that time being prepped for its last flight. He touched the shuttle, and it blew up. Coincidence? YOU DECIDE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnny,</p>
<p>I guy I used to work with was once called to NASA on an engineering issue. While at the VAB he was invited up into the service scaffolds of the space shuttle Challenger. His host encouraged him to go ahead and touch the tiles with his bare hands, which he did with some enthusiasm. The Challenger was at that time being prepped for its last flight. He touched the shuttle, and it blew up. Coincidence? YOU DECIDE.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Vector</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny Vector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I grew up living 200 feet from the 24&quot; refractor that Percival Lowell used to, uh, well, to map the veins in his eyes.  But it&#039;s still a cool telescope.  I&#039;d love to see one of the big old ones.

Oh, and touching?  Yeah, I know what you mean.  It was all I could do to not touch &lt;i&gt;Endeavour&lt;/i&gt; when I &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kevland.com/blog/2008/09/in-which-i-endeavour-to-avoid-geek-fanboy-syndrome/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;got a tour&lt;/a&gt;.  But somehow I thought it best not to mess with it.  And I hope the link doesn&#039;t get me all moderated and stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I grew up living 200 feet from the 24&#8243; refractor that Percival Lowell used to, uh, well, to map the veins in his eyes.  But it&#8217;s still a cool telescope.  I&#8217;d love to see one of the big old ones.</p>
<p>Oh, and touching?  Yeah, I know what you mean.  It was all I could do to not touch <i>Endeavour</i> when I <a href="http://www.kevland.com/blog/2008/09/in-which-i-endeavour-to-avoid-geek-fanboy-syndrome/" rel="nofollow">got a tour</a>.  But somehow I thought it best not to mess with it.  And I hope the link doesn&#8217;t get me all moderated and stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Crudely Wrott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crudely Wrott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A hasty rhyme-

I touched a meteorite once, in a museum
I thought, Wow, this is big and weird, gee, um
To the touch it was cold
And it felt very old
Learning they fly makes want to so see em

Because there are so many touch receptors in our fingertips it makes sense that by touching something we might expect to be more closely connected to it. Even to the extent of leaving something behind or taking something away. Silly idea. But comforting and connecting. Silly idea though.

I just looked over at a photo of my two grandsons and winked at them, causing me to wonder if there is a connection between the touch and the wink.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A hasty rhyme-</p>
<p>I touched a meteorite once, in a museum<br />
I thought, Wow, this is big and weird, gee, um<br />
To the touch it was cold<br />
And it felt very old<br />
Learning they fly makes want to so see em</p>
<p>Because there are so many touch receptors in our fingertips it makes sense that by touching something we might expect to be more closely connected to it. Even to the extent of leaving something behind or taking something away. Silly idea. But comforting and connecting. Silly idea though.</p>
<p>I just looked over at a photo of my two grandsons and winked at them, causing me to wonder if there is a connection between the touch and the wink.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Fagin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Fagin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But still. Touching that glass put me there. That part of my brain firing up gave me the extra dimension of sense, the understanding, the knowing&quot;

As Diana Troy once said in a similar situation: &quot;Would you three like to be alone?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But still. Touching that glass put me there. That part of my brain firing up gave me the extra dimension of sense, the understanding, the knowing&#8221;</p>
<p>As Diana Troy once said in a similar situation: &#8220;Would you three like to be alone?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Naomi</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/03/touching-hubbles-history/comment-page-1/#comment-138531</link>
		<dc:creator>Naomi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lowell was amazing - it was pretty much the entire reason I went up to Flagstaff last February. The expanding universe was discovered there! Actually being able to touch the Clark telescope was just... cool.

(Plus, as we came out of the Dome, it started snowing. My first snowfall!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lowell was amazing &#8211; it was pretty much the entire reason I went up to Flagstaff last February. The expanding universe was discovered there! Actually being able to touch the Clark telescope was just&#8230; cool.</p>
<p>(Plus, as we came out of the Dome, it started snowing. My first snowfall!)</p>
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		<title>By: Stacey H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacey H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heck,  I got goosebumps just *reading* the part where you touched the mirror.  I&#039;ve been to Mt Wilson a couple of times.  I like to sometimes look at this webcam and think about all the cool stuff that was discovered at that place...
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~obs/towercam.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heck,  I got goosebumps just *reading* the part where you touched the mirror.  I&#8217;ve been to Mt Wilson a couple of times.  I like to sometimes look at this webcam and think about all the cool stuff that was discovered at that place&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~obs/towercam.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~obs/towercam.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Drumm The Astronomy Bum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Drumm The Astronomy Bum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil:
Is that pretty blue the original color of the scope? I ask because they&#039;re trying to find out the original color of the Clark 26&quot; refractor at UVa, and are planning to repaint it that color to restore it to its 1880&#039;s appearance. It&#039;s a bit of a detective story! I&#039;ll miss the nice royal blue it has now for sure, but I wonder what color these old scopes were painted when they were new.
Rich</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil:<br />
Is that pretty blue the original color of the scope? I ask because they&#8217;re trying to find out the original color of the Clark 26&#8243; refractor at UVa, and are planning to repaint it that color to restore it to its 1880&#8242;s appearance. It&#8217;s a bit of a detective story! I&#8217;ll miss the nice royal blue it has now for sure, but I wonder what color these old scopes were painted when they were new.<br />
Rich</p>
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		<title>By: Kristin C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristin C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yay, you&#039;ve also been to La Palma! :D I was there at the Nordic Optical Telescope (NOT) a couple of years ago (professors at my institute often encourage students to join them for observing time) for two nights of miserable seeing but great fun. It was cool to see how a practical astronomer actually works!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yay, you&#8217;ve also been to La Palma! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  I was there at the Nordic Optical Telescope (NOT) a couple of years ago (professors at my institute often encourage students to join them for observing time) for two nights of miserable seeing but great fun. It was cool to see how a practical astronomer actually works!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel J. Andrews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel J. Andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Touching that glass put me there. That part of my brain firing up gave me the extra dimension of sense, the understanding, the knowing, and (yes) the feeling the history of the place.&quot;

In your place, I&#039;d have touched the glass too (as would the other posters here it seems). In 2000 I visited the Dinosaur National Monument in Utah.  There I had a chance to see dinosaur fossils still embedded in the strata.  I was unable to resist reaching out and touching the leg bone of some long gone giant, and in doing that my mind was transported to a different time and world. I stood there with my eyes closed for over a minute imagining...and it gave me goosebumps. Powerful experience indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Touching that glass put me there. That part of my brain firing up gave me the extra dimension of sense, the understanding, the knowing, and (yes) the feeling the history of the place.&#8221;</p>
<p>In your place, I&#8217;d have touched the glass too (as would the other posters here it seems). In 2000 I visited the Dinosaur National Monument in Utah.  There I had a chance to see dinosaur fossils still embedded in the strata.  I was unable to resist reaching out and touching the leg bone of some long gone giant, and in doing that my mind was transported to a different time and world. I stood there with my eyes closed for over a minute imagining&#8230;and it gave me goosebumps. Powerful experience indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Olson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Olson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t been to Mt Wilson, but I have had the opportunity to tour inside the Palomar scope.  You can&#039;t see the mirror, but can you get an up close view of the controls and steel framework.  We &quot;rode&quot; the upper level all the way around as it rotated - smooth as glass after 50 years.  It was a lucky coincidence that we ran into the right person at the right time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t been to Mt Wilson, but I have had the opportunity to tour inside the Palomar scope.  You can&#8217;t see the mirror, but can you get an up close view of the controls and steel framework.  We &#8220;rode&#8221; the upper level all the way around as it rotated &#8211; smooth as glass after 50 years.  It was a lucky coincidence that we ran into the right person at the right time.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Boyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Boyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, 

I get the same feeling when my Dad lets me hold one of his NASA artifacts -- especially the flighted souvenirs he was given through his years there.  Mystical, no, powerful, yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, </p>
<p>I get the same feeling when my Dad lets me hold one of his NASA artifacts &#8212; especially the flighted souvenirs he was given through his years there.  Mystical, no, powerful, yes.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Ramirez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Ramirez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had visited Mt Wilson on a Friday and all I could do is a self-guided tour and could only see the 100&quot; from behind the glass (pictures were bad) and I couldn&#039;t see any of the other telescopes. I was VERY disappointed. We were going to then go to Palomar but I didn&#039;t want to be disappointed again so we just decided to go to Meteor Crater instead. Which was cool.

I would like to go on a weekend but if the tour is the same as what I saw then I will pass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had visited Mt Wilson on a Friday and all I could do is a self-guided tour and could only see the 100&#8243; from behind the glass (pictures were bad) and I couldn&#8217;t see any of the other telescopes. I was VERY disappointed. We were going to then go to Palomar but I didn&#8217;t want to be disappointed again so we just decided to go to Meteor Crater instead. Which was cool.</p>
<p>I would like to go on a weekend but if the tour is the same as what I saw then I will pass.</p>
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		<title>By: Bipedal Tetrapod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bipedal Tetrapod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love old, solid pieces of technology. That control panel is beautiful. It reminds me of the TARDIS console in Sarah Jane&#039;s last season. But man, Hubble must have had a big head, &#039;cause those eyepieces must be more than a foot apart!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love old, solid pieces of technology. That control panel is beautiful. It reminds me of the TARDIS console in Sarah Jane&#8217;s last season. But man, Hubble must have had a big head, &#8217;cause those eyepieces must be more than a foot apart!</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...As for touching.  At one time I worked for a satellite manufacturer.  The first time I ever stood in front of a satellite under construction I was overcome with a desire to touch it because it was something that would go up into space.  (Carefully looking around..then just reaching out with a finger and touching its side.  I found out later it was OK).  Later on I found I wasn&#039;t the only one. Nearly everyone I knew had the same reaction the first time they encountered something that would go into space. 

I also have similar feelings when visiting any significant historical monument or place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;As for touching.  At one time I worked for a satellite manufacturer.  The first time I ever stood in front of a satellite under construction I was overcome with a desire to touch it because it was something that would go up into space.  (Carefully looking around..then just reaching out with a finger and touching its side.  I found out later it was OK).  Later on I found I wasn&#8217;t the only one. Nearly everyone I knew had the same reaction the first time they encountered something that would go into space. </p>
<p>I also have similar feelings when visiting any significant historical monument or place.</p>
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		<title>By: T.E.L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>T.E.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>billsmithaz,

There&#039;s a third: Lowell is also where VM Slipher made his first spectrograms of nebulae, which indicated immediately that they, as a class of objects, had a tendency to be receding from us. This was a major discovery all by itself; Hubble&#039;s big step was to discover Cepheids in M31, allowing for a standard distance/redshift to be established. 

Once when I was doing research at Lowell, I was allowed to hold some of VM&#039;s glass spectrograms and contemplate their role in history. You&#039;re right: Lowell is, in its historical way, cooler than Kitt Peak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>billsmithaz,</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a third: Lowell is also where VM Slipher made his first spectrograms of nebulae, which indicated immediately that they, as a class of objects, had a tendency to be receding from us. This was a major discovery all by itself; Hubble&#8217;s big step was to discover Cepheids in M31, allowing for a standard distance/redshift to be established. </p>
<p>Once when I was doing research at Lowell, I was allowed to hold some of VM&#8217;s glass spectrograms and contemplate their role in history. You&#8217;re right: Lowell is, in its historical way, cooler than Kitt Peak.</p>
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		<title>By: billsmithaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>billsmithaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>where Clyde Tombaugh discovered &lt;strike&gt;the planet formerly known as Pluto.&lt;/strike&gt;

...the Pluto formerly known as planet.

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>where Clyde Tombaugh discovered <strike>the planet formerly known as Pluto.</strike></p>
<p>&#8230;the Pluto formerly known as planet.</p>
<p> <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your post immediately made me think of the scene from 2001: A Space Odyssey where the proto-human is first touching the &quot;pillar&quot; that has appeared outside its den. It is the transmittance of &quot;enlightenment&quot;, I suppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post immediately made me think of the scene from 2001: A Space Odyssey where the proto-human is first touching the &#8220;pillar&#8221; that has appeared outside its den. It is the transmittance of &#8220;enlightenment&#8221;, I suppose.</p>
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		<title>By: billsmithaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>billsmithaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Living in central Arizona, I can take a three-hour drive south to visit Kitt Peak, or a three-hour drive north to visit Lowell Observatory.

Even though it&#039;s far older, Lowell is much the cooler trip, for a couple of historical reasons:

First, it was founded by Percival Lowell, the main proponent (and maybe original proponent, although I don&#039;t remember for sure) of the &#039;canals on Mars&#039; hypothesis.

Second, Lowell Observatory was the site where Clyde Tombaugh discovered the planet formerly known as Pluto. Sadly, that scope is not open for tours, but you can walk around the outside of the dome, where there&#039;s a plaque commemorating the discovery of Pluto.

And BA, I visited the observatory last summer and got a photo of Bad Astronomy next to that plaque, but all I had was my cell phone camera and it didn&#039;t turn out well. At all. Next time I go, I&#039;ll bring my real camera and see if I can do any better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Living in central Arizona, I can take a three-hour drive south to visit Kitt Peak, or a three-hour drive north to visit Lowell Observatory.</p>
<p>Even though it&#8217;s far older, Lowell is much the cooler trip, for a couple of historical reasons:</p>
<p>First, it was founded by Percival Lowell, the main proponent (and maybe original proponent, although I don&#8217;t remember for sure) of the &#8216;canals on Mars&#8217; hypothesis.</p>
<p>Second, Lowell Observatory was the site where Clyde Tombaugh discovered the planet formerly known as Pluto. Sadly, that scope is not open for tours, but you can walk around the outside of the dome, where there&#8217;s a plaque commemorating the discovery of Pluto.</p>
<p>And BA, I visited the observatory last summer and got a photo of Bad Astronomy next to that plaque, but all I had was my cell phone camera and it didn&#8217;t turn out well. At all. Next time I go, I&#8217;ll bring my real camera and see if I can do any better.</p>
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		<title>By: lhirner</title>
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		<dc:creator>lhirner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil - I noticed you mentioned the green glass, but not why it is green.  I toured Mt Wilson back in the early 90s while at JPL for a Chautauqua on Cassini.  The blank was apparently made up of recycled wine bottles - thus the green color!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil &#8211; I noticed you mentioned the green glass, but not why it is green.  I toured Mt Wilson back in the early 90s while at JPL for a Chautauqua on Cassini.  The blank was apparently made up of recycled wine bottles &#8211; thus the green color!</p>
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