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		<title>By: The Star of Bethlehem, again &#124; Astonishing</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/10/the-star-of-bethlehem-again/comment-page-4/#comment-187479</link>
		<dc:creator>The Star of Bethlehem, again &#124; Astonishing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 04:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] revealed a spectacular astronomical event around the time of Jesus&#8221;s birth.more   Share and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/10/the-star-of-bethlehem-again/comment-page-4/#comment-162807</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was hoping to find some arguments against this claim from the creator of the Star of Bethlehem movie.  I find none hear, or anywhere else on the net.  I am believing the story until someone can disprove it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGsnaJeQFCw&amp;feature=related</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was hoping to find some arguments against this claim from the creator of the Star of Bethlehem movie.  I find none hear, or anywhere else on the net.  I am believing the story until someone can disprove it.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGsnaJeQFCw&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGsnaJeQFCw&#038;feature=related</a></p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/10/the-star-of-bethlehem-again/comment-page-3/#comment-157421</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 07:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comment about the shepherds tending their sheep at night in winter would be a reason to exercise caution in assigning a December date.  However, weather changes often evening in winter.</description>
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		<title>By: David Johnson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/10/the-star-of-bethlehem-again/comment-page-3/#comment-147200</link>
		<dc:creator>David Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 07:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concerning the conjunction theory:
  &quot;The culmination of Kaufmanis’ research was his famous Star of Bethlehem lecture.  During every holiday season starting in 1949, Kaufmanis would give his lecture at the University of Minnesota.  It didn’t take long for the lecture to gain in popularity and become a tradition in the Twin Cities area.  Other colleges, churches, local clubs, and a variety of other organizations kept Kaufmanis booked each Christmas season until 1997, when Kaufmanis had to move to Florida with his wife due to health reasons.  He had given his lecture well over 1,000 times.”
Prof. Kaufmanis was an Astronomy professor and head of he Department.

The from
http://www.space.com/spacewatch/star_bethlehem_021220.html

&quot;Another possible explanation for the Star of Bethlehem is the three-times passing of Jupiter and Saturn between May and December in 7 BC; a rare triple or &quot;great conjunction.&quot;

Jupiter appeared to pass one degree north of Saturn on May 29; practically the same on Sept. 30; then finally a third time on Dec. 5.

There is no doubt about the visibility of these events, mostly opposite to the Sun in nighttime skies. As for their astrological impact, the Magi would have certainly noticed that both planets did not appear to separate widely between their conjunctions. In fact, for eight consecutive months the time it might have taken to travel the 500 miles or more from Babylonia to Judea Jupiter and Saturn remained within three degrees of each other, from late April of 7 BC until early January of 6 BC.

A fist held on an outstretched arm covers about 10 degrees of sky.

But perhaps no other planetary grouping can equal that of the two brightest planets Venus and Jupiter for the explanation that we seek. And if we take the only known account of the Star literally, as given in St. Matthew, then what we really need is the appearance of not just one, but two &quot;stars.&quot; The first appearance would have been seen well in advance of the Magis arrival in Bethlehem, and the other at the end of their long journey.

Perhaps the signal for their star was to be a sign in the constellation of Leo, the Lion.

To the early Israelites, Leo was a constellation of great astrological significance and considered a sacred part of the sky. A very close conjunction of Venus and Jupiter would have been visible in the eastern dawn sky of the Middle East from about 3:45 to 5:20 a.m. on Aug. 12, 3 BC.

When they first emerged above the eastern horizon, the two planets were separated by only about two-fifths of the Moons apparent diameter or 12 minutes of arc. As a comparison, the separation of the stars Mizar and Alcor in the handle of the Big Dipper is also 12 minutes. Planets this close are very striking, if they don&#039;t differ too much in brightness.

Incidentally, St. Matthew wrote that the Magi stated in their meeting with King Herod: &quot;We have seen his Star in the East and have come to worship him.&quot; It has never been clear if they saw the star in the eastern sky, or if they saw it from the East. The fact that the Aug. 12, 3 BC conjunction of Venus and Jupiter occurred in the eastern sky and may have also started the Magi on the journey (from the East) to Bethlehem means that both bases are covered with their statement -- reported by St. Matthew -- to King Herod.

Venus ultimately vanished into the glare of the Sun, but Jupiter and Leo remained in the night sky during the next ten months. During this time a number of additional planetary conjunctions took place, all of which would have been of great importance to the priest-astrologers of the time.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concerning the conjunction theory:<br />
  &#8220;The culmination of Kaufmanis’ research was his famous Star of Bethlehem lecture.  During every holiday season starting in 1949, Kaufmanis would give his lecture at the University of Minnesota.  It didn’t take long for the lecture to gain in popularity and become a tradition in the Twin Cities area.  Other colleges, churches, local clubs, and a variety of other organizations kept Kaufmanis booked each Christmas season until 1997, when Kaufmanis had to move to Florida with his wife due to health reasons.  He had given his lecture well over 1,000 times.”<br />
Prof. Kaufmanis was an Astronomy professor and head of he Department.</p>
<p>The from<br />
<a href="http://www.space.com/spacewatch/star_bethlehem_021220.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.space.com/spacewatch/star_bethlehem_021220.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Another possible explanation for the Star of Bethlehem is the three-times passing of Jupiter and Saturn between May and December in 7 BC; a rare triple or &#8220;great conjunction.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jupiter appeared to pass one degree north of Saturn on May 29; practically the same on Sept. 30; then finally a third time on Dec. 5.</p>
<p>There is no doubt about the visibility of these events, mostly opposite to the Sun in nighttime skies. As for their astrological impact, the Magi would have certainly noticed that both planets did not appear to separate widely between their conjunctions. In fact, for eight consecutive months the time it might have taken to travel the 500 miles or more from Babylonia to Judea Jupiter and Saturn remained within three degrees of each other, from late April of 7 BC until early January of 6 BC.</p>
<p>A fist held on an outstretched arm covers about 10 degrees of sky.</p>
<p>But perhaps no other planetary grouping can equal that of the two brightest planets Venus and Jupiter for the explanation that we seek. And if we take the only known account of the Star literally, as given in St. Matthew, then what we really need is the appearance of not just one, but two &#8220;stars.&#8221; The first appearance would have been seen well in advance of the Magis arrival in Bethlehem, and the other at the end of their long journey.</p>
<p>Perhaps the signal for their star was to be a sign in the constellation of Leo, the Lion.</p>
<p>To the early Israelites, Leo was a constellation of great astrological significance and considered a sacred part of the sky. A very close conjunction of Venus and Jupiter would have been visible in the eastern dawn sky of the Middle East from about 3:45 to 5:20 a.m. on Aug. 12, 3 BC.</p>
<p>When they first emerged above the eastern horizon, the two planets were separated by only about two-fifths of the Moons apparent diameter or 12 minutes of arc. As a comparison, the separation of the stars Mizar and Alcor in the handle of the Big Dipper is also 12 minutes. Planets this close are very striking, if they don&#8217;t differ too much in brightness.</p>
<p>Incidentally, St. Matthew wrote that the Magi stated in their meeting with King Herod: &#8220;We have seen his Star in the East and have come to worship him.&#8221; It has never been clear if they saw the star in the eastern sky, or if they saw it from the East. The fact that the Aug. 12, 3 BC conjunction of Venus and Jupiter occurred in the eastern sky and may have also started the Magi on the journey (from the East) to Bethlehem means that both bases are covered with their statement &#8212; reported by St. Matthew &#8212; to King Herod.</p>
<p>Venus ultimately vanished into the glare of the Sun, but Jupiter and Leo remained in the night sky during the next ten months. During this time a number of additional planetary conjunctions took place, all of which would have been of great importance to the priest-astrologers of the time.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Aristotle Pagaltzis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aristotle Pagaltzis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am late to this blog posting, but I wanted to point out that I already called out this story in last year’s entry’s comments:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/12/25/the-bah-star-of-humbug-bethlehem/#comment-60789

Of course I’m not the one to &lt;em&gt;discover&lt;/em&gt; this – I merely read about this theory. It was many years ago and I no longer know where. In any case the “now” in this article’s opener, “there’s more to talk about on the topic now”, is simply wrong. It is has been known for a long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am late to this blog posting, but I wanted to point out that I already called out this story in last year’s entry’s comments:</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/12/25/the-bah-star-of-humbug-bethlehem/#comment-60789" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/12/25/the-bah-star-of-humbug-bethlehem/#comment-60789</a></p>
<p>Of course I’m not the one to <em>discover</em> this – I merely read about this theory. It was many years ago and I no longer know where. In any case the “now” in this article’s opener, “there’s more to talk about on the topic now”, is simply wrong. It is has been known for a long time.</p>
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		<title>By: Danielle</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/10/the-star-of-bethlehem-again/comment-page-3/#comment-144300</link>
		<dc:creator>Danielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 05:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, this article disproves nothing!
It basically just points out that it doesn&#039;t explain the whole story,
which, no, it does not.
It just tries to make sense of something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, this article disproves nothing!<br />
It basically just points out that it doesn&#8217;t explain the whole story,<br />
which, no, it does not.<br />
It just tries to make sense of something.</p>
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		<title>By: David R</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/10/the-star-of-bethlehem-again/comment-page-3/#comment-143686</link>
		<dc:creator>David R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 13:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this page while looking for anyone who could repond to the evidence on bethlehemstar.net.  Looks like none of the Star of Bethlehem detractors have bothered to look at that site, which is disappointing.  If they do (and read, not just look at the video), there is alot to respond to, because the author has done his research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this page while looking for anyone who could repond to the evidence on bethlehemstar.net.  Looks like none of the Star of Bethlehem detractors have bothered to look at that site, which is disappointing.  If they do (and read, not just look at the video), there is alot to respond to, because the author has done his research.</p>
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