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	<title>Comments on: Enceladus!</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Fore! NASA Golf Game Lets You Frolick on Saturn’s Moons &#124; Discoblog &#124; Theoretical Physics</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/15/enceladus/comment-page-3/#comment-392438</link>
		<dc:creator>Fore! NASA Golf Game Lets You Frolick on Saturn’s Moons &#124; Discoblog &#124; Theoretical Physics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 07:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] release troves of gorgeous images of Saturn and itsdozens of moons, revealing the gougeson Enceladus and the lakes of Titan. The drool-worthy vistas just beg to be explored, and youcan now do just [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] release troves of gorgeous images of Saturn and itsdozens of moons, revealing the gougeson Enceladus and the lakes of Titan. The drool-worthy vistas just beg to be explored, and youcan now do just [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Quato</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/15/enceladus/comment-page-3/#comment-143363</link>
		<dc:creator>Quato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 07:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>START THE REACTOR!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian &#183; Links for 11 December 2008 through 20 December 2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian &#183; Links for 11 December 2008 through 20 December 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Enceladus! &#124; Bad Astronomy: Disgustingly beautiful photo of Enceladus, winning my vote for Best Moon of 2008. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Enceladus! | Bad Astronomy: Disgustingly beautiful photo of Enceladus, winning my vote for Best Moon of 2008. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Snows of the Solar System &#124; QUEST Community Science Blog - KQED</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/15/enceladus/comment-page-2/#comment-142066</link>
		<dc:creator>Snows of the Solar System &#124; QUEST Community Science Blog - KQED</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Enceladus, the geyser plumes contain water vapor and ice crystals, and are believed to come from subsurface [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Todd W.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/15/enceladus/comment-page-2/#comment-141507</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Pieter Kok

What I&#039;ve gathered from other discussions on here, in his time, he was perfectly fine, but he kinda stayed put while the rest of the scientific world marched on without him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Pieter Kok</p>
<p>What I&#8217;ve gathered from other discussions on here, in his time, he was perfectly fine, but he kinda stayed put while the rest of the scientific world marched on without him.</p>
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		<title>By: Pieter Kok</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/15/enceladus/comment-page-2/#comment-141505</link>
		<dc:creator>Pieter Kok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wiki-ed Halton Arp because I had never heard of him: Misguided as he may be about the big bang, I would not put him in the same category as your run-of-the-mill crackpot. He seems more like Fred Hoyle: old and no longer able to make major adjustments to their world view .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wiki-ed Halton Arp because I had never heard of him: Misguided as he may be about the big bang, I would not put him in the same category as your run-of-the-mill crackpot. He seems more like Fred Hoyle: old and no longer able to make major adjustments to their world view .</p>
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		<title>By: kuhnigget</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/15/enceladus/comment-page-2/#comment-141483</link>
		<dc:creator>kuhnigget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...bowing down before the great god, Arp. May the lifegiving plasma electrify us all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;bowing down before the great god, Arp. May the lifegiving plasma electrify us all!</p>
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		<title>By: Todd W.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/15/enceladus/comment-page-2/#comment-141480</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@kuhnigget

&lt;blockquote&gt;a tendency toward cultish hero worship focused on an individual and their ideas: Velikovsky, Billy Meiers, et al&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Don&#039;t forget Halton Arp, though I guess the et al catches him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@kuhnigget</p>
<blockquote><p>a tendency toward cultish hero worship focused on an individual and their ideas: Velikovsky, Billy Meiers, et al</p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget Halton Arp, though I guess the et al catches him.</p>
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		<title>By: kuhnigget</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/15/enceladus/comment-page-2/#comment-141479</link>
		<dc:creator>kuhnigget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and one more, which Alan has pointed out:

- They apparently expend great efforts to master their particular bugaboo, but cannot be bothered or are incapable of mastering even the basics of real science. Evidently it is much easier to become an instant expert in quackery than to toil away at being even an average scientist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and one more, which Alan has pointed out:</p>
<p>- They apparently expend great efforts to master their particular bugaboo, but cannot be bothered or are incapable of mastering even the basics of real science. Evidently it is much easier to become an instant expert in quackery than to toil away at being even an average scientist.</p>
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		<title>By: kuhnigget</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/15/enceladus/comment-page-2/#comment-141478</link>
		<dc:creator>kuhnigget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jacquie, et al:

Check out pretty much any of the UFO/aliens threads on Dr. BA&#039;s blog and you&#039;ll see the exact same behavior. Certain traits seem to be common:

- a fervant belief that they are right and all others are wrong
- little or no evidence to back up their beliefs, other than copious quotes from flako websites or books (which in turn have little or no evidence backing them up)
- a tendency toward paranoia (people don&#039;t just disagree with them, they are out to get them)
- they are lone voices of sanity in a sea of misguided &quot;scientists&quot; or &quot;skeptics&quot; (which are terms of derision)
- there is a conspiracy to hide their &quot;truth&quot; (see paranoia)
- they eventually come to the conclusion that &quot;you will never get it&quot; and thus leave, usually right after they&#039;ve been confronted with evidence counter to their beliefs, or have been pressured repeatedly to deliver evidence in support of their beliefs
- a tendency toward cultish hero worship focused on an individual and their ideas: Velikovsky, Billy Meiers, et al

I don&#039;t know if these traits come about because their mums dropped them all on the head, but &lt;i&gt;something&lt;/i&gt; definitely seems off-kilter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jacquie, et al:</p>
<p>Check out pretty much any of the UFO/aliens threads on Dr. BA&#8217;s blog and you&#8217;ll see the exact same behavior. Certain traits seem to be common:</p>
<p>- a fervant belief that they are right and all others are wrong<br />
- little or no evidence to back up their beliefs, other than copious quotes from flako websites or books (which in turn have little or no evidence backing them up)<br />
- a tendency toward paranoia (people don&#8217;t just disagree with them, they are out to get them)<br />
- they are lone voices of sanity in a sea of misguided &#8220;scientists&#8221; or &#8220;skeptics&#8221; (which are terms of derision)<br />
- there is a conspiracy to hide their &#8220;truth&#8221; (see paranoia)<br />
- they eventually come to the conclusion that &#8220;you will never get it&#8221; and thus leave, usually right after they&#8217;ve been confronted with evidence counter to their beliefs, or have been pressured repeatedly to deliver evidence in support of their beliefs<br />
- a tendency toward cultish hero worship focused on an individual and their ideas: Velikovsky, Billy Meiers, et al</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if these traits come about because their mums dropped them all on the head, but <i>something</i> definitely seems off-kilter.</p>
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		<title>By: DrFlimmer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/15/enceladus/comment-page-2/#comment-141474</link>
		<dc:creator>DrFlimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Indeed almost all pre-Space Age so-called “science” is wrong.&quot;

But the pencil is still falling down and it does according to Newton&#039;s basic formula F=ma. Strange. And even more: no plasma involved. I don&#039;t get it. What the hell happend since 1950? And Schrödinger&#039;s equation is wrong, too. And Heisenberg&#039;s uncertainty principle. And, and, and.... all wrong. *sniff* 

...Phil, I need your picture with that chocolate from your trip to the Galapagos island:

ORLY?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Indeed almost all pre-Space Age so-called “science” is wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>But the pencil is still falling down and it does according to Newton&#8217;s basic formula F=ma. Strange. And even more: no plasma involved. I don&#8217;t get it. What the hell happend since 1950? And Schrödinger&#8217;s equation is wrong, too. And Heisenberg&#8217;s uncertainty principle. And, and, and&#8230;. all wrong. *sniff* </p>
<p>&#8230;Phil, I need your picture with that chocolate from your trip to the Galapagos island:</p>
<p>ORLY?</p>
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		<title>By: ND</title>
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		<dc:creator>ND</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An elevated level of narcissism is most likely involved in said cranks. I&#039;m not a psychologist but I&#039;ve known and read the diatribe of such people as OiM and there is quite a bit self-absorption going on. There is a certain high they get from their little ego trips.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An elevated level of narcissism is most likely involved in said cranks. I&#8217;m not a psychologist but I&#8217;ve known and read the diatribe of such people as OiM and there is quite a bit self-absorption going on. There is a certain high they get from their little ego trips.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/15/enceladus/comment-page-2/#comment-141398</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas Siefert said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;OilIsMastery, you don’t have a clue what science is about, I suggest you go away and get an education.

I fully expect BA to delete this comment, but that’s fine by me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thomas, I think you should be OK with this.  After all, the BA&#039;s policy is, basically, &quot;don&#039;t be a jerk&quot;, and your statement is entirely factual.  OiM has clearly demonstrated a severe lack of anything remotely resembling an understanding of science.

Next thing you know, (s)he&#039;ll start posting in ALL CAPS, because that will obviously convince people where lower-case text does not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas Siefert said:</p>
<blockquote><p>OilIsMastery, you don’t have a clue what science is about, I suggest you go away and get an education.</p>
<p>I fully expect BA to delete this comment, but that’s fine by me.</p></blockquote>
<p>Thomas, I think you should be OK with this.  After all, the BA&#8217;s policy is, basically, &#8220;don&#8217;t be a jerk&#8221;, and your statement is entirely factual.  OiM has clearly demonstrated a severe lack of anything remotely resembling an understanding of science.</p>
<p>Next thing you know, (s)he&#8217;ll start posting in ALL CAPS, because that will obviously convince people where lower-case text does not.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd W.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/15/enceladus/comment-page-2/#comment-141390</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still waiting for OIM to answer my question about those measurements that supposedly show the earth is getting bigger.</description>
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		<title>By: Pieter Kok</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/15/enceladus/comment-page-2/#comment-141383</link>
		<dc:creator>Pieter Kok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacquie, I think there are deeper psychological reasons for crackpottery, but I do not know what those are (not being a psychologist). Nevertheless, I suspect there may be room for several doctoral dissertations on this topic, and I for one would be interested in reading them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacquie, I think there are deeper psychological reasons for crackpottery, but I do not know what those are (not being a psychologist). Nevertheless, I suspect there may be room for several doctoral dissertations on this topic, and I for one would be interested in reading them.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2008-12-17 &#124; The Computer Vet Weblog</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/15/enceladus/comment-page-2/#comment-141380</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2008-12-17 &#124; The Computer Vet Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Enceladus! &#124; Bad Astronomy [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jacquie Meade</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/15/enceladus/comment-page-2/#comment-141379</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacquie Meade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do some people -- mostly men, such as that individual who calls himself &quot;OilIsMastery&quot; -- embrace wacko pseudoscience &#039;theories&#039; with such passion? I think that their mothers&#039; must have dropped them on their heads&#039; when they were babies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do some people &#8212; mostly men, such as that individual who calls himself &#8220;OilIsMastery&#8221; &#8212; embrace wacko pseudoscience &#8216;theories&#8217; with such passion? I think that their mothers&#8217; must have dropped them on their heads&#8217; when they were babies.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Siefert</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/15/enceladus/comment-page-2/#comment-141377</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Siefert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I know BA has a jerk policy on his blog and everybody here is trying to be very nice and polite about a certain person here. But I can&#039;t stand this idiocy any more, somebody have to say it.

OilIsMastery Said: &quot;Indeed almost all pre-Space Age so-called “science” is wrong.
The only things we’re keeping are elliptical orbits (Kepler), eletromagnetism (Oersted, Faraday, and Maxwell), and plasma (Birkeland, Velikovsky, Alfven, Bostick).&quot;

OilIsMastery, you don&#039;t have a clue what science is about, I suggest you go away and get an education.

I fully expect BA to delete this comment, but that&#039;s fine by me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I know BA has a jerk policy on his blog and everybody here is trying to be very nice and polite about a certain person here. But I can&#8217;t stand this idiocy any more, somebody have to say it.</p>
<p>OilIsMastery Said: &#8220;Indeed almost all pre-Space Age so-called “science” is wrong.<br />
The only things we’re keeping are elliptical orbits (Kepler), eletromagnetism (Oersted, Faraday, and Maxwell), and plasma (Birkeland, Velikovsky, Alfven, Bostick).&#8221;</p>
<p>OilIsMastery, you don&#8217;t have a clue what science is about, I suggest you go away and get an education.</p>
<p>I fully expect BA to delete this comment, but that&#8217;s fine by me.</p>
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		<title>By: kuhnigget</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/15/enceladus/comment-page-2/#comment-141365</link>
		<dc:creator>kuhnigget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whew.</description>
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		<title>By: kuhnigget</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/15/enceladus/comment-page-2/#comment-141364</link>
		<dc:creator>kuhnigget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops! Forgot to close the bold. Hope this does it...  &lt;/b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: kuhnigget</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/15/enceladus/comment-page-2/#comment-141363</link>
		<dc:creator>kuhnigget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;5. Cranks do not appear to have a sense of humor, particularly about their own crankiness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>5. Cranks do not appear to have a sense of humor, particularly about their own crankiness.</b></p>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/15/enceladus/comment-page-2/#comment-141360</link>
		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crank_(person)&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot; size=&quot;+2&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Common Characteristics of Cranks&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;1. Cranks overestimate their own knowledge and ability, and underestimate that of acknowledged experts.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt; 
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;2. Cranks insist that their alleged discoveries are urgently important.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt; 
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;3. Cranks rarely if ever acknowledge any error, no matter how trivial.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt; 
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;4. Cranks love to talk about their own beliefs, often in inappropriate social situations, but they tend to be bad listeners, and often appear to be uninterested in anyone else&#039;s experience or opinions.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crank_(person)" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><font color="blue" size="+2"><b><u>Common Characteristics of Cranks</u></b></font></a></p>
<p><b>1. Cranks overestimate their own knowledge and ability, and underestimate that of acknowledged experts.</b></p>
<p><b>2. Cranks insist that their alleged discoveries are urgently important.</b></p>
<p><b>3. Cranks rarely if ever acknowledge any error, no matter how trivial.</b></p>
<p><b>4. Cranks love to talk about their own beliefs, often in inappropriate social situations, but they tend to be bad listeners, and often appear to be uninterested in anyone else&#8217;s experience or opinions.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Davidlpf</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/15/enceladus/comment-page-2/#comment-141353</link>
		<dc:creator>Davidlpf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So it cherry picking science, OilIsMastery does not like/understand it so OilisMastery will not include in science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it cherry picking science, OilIsMastery does not like/understand it so OilisMastery will not include in science.</p>
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		<title>By: Davidlpf</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/15/enceladus/comment-page-2/#comment-141350</link>
		<dc:creator>Davidlpf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Velikosvky mister cosmic pinball, HAHAHA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Velikosvky mister cosmic pinball, HAHAHA.</p>
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		<title>By: OilIsMastery</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/15/enceladus/comment-page-2/#comment-141348</link>
		<dc:creator>OilIsMastery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed almost all pre-Space Age so-called &quot;science&quot; is wrong.

The only things we&#039;re keeping are elliptical orbits (Kepler), eletromagnetism (Oersted, Faraday, and Maxwell), and plasma (Birkeland, Velikovsky, Alfven, Bostick).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed almost all pre-Space Age so-called &#8220;science&#8221; is wrong.</p>
<p>The only things we&#8217;re keeping are elliptical orbits (Kepler), eletromagnetism (Oersted, Faraday, and Maxwell), and plasma (Birkeland, Velikovsky, Alfven, Bostick).</p>
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