Wow. Just wow.

So, um, when did Einstein finally get his Official Scientist ID card? And did it come with the decoder ring, too?

I hear all those scientists get pretty uppity when anyone who isn’t a card-carrying member starts coming up with theories and performing experiments and all.

“I’m no woo guy and I am quite down to earth, but I am not so close minded to deny that there are plenty of things our there that we can’t explain.”

Please give examples of things out there that you think cannot be explained.

“Science is reality and if science can’t measure it, then it’s dismissed as delusions, hallucinations, etc. because you can’t see beyond the known.”

On this we can agree. Delusions and hallucinations are real, and easily tested and repeated. Drug induced hallucinations, for example, are well documented and occur in hospitals every day.

Science is what makes your clock tick, your car move, and the computer you are using work. Why are you bashing it?

“In any case, did you consider that ghosts, ufos etc are beyond science as we know it? “

Yes, I certainly did consider that. I investigated it, and my conclusion is, based on all the physical evidence, ghosts are a figment of imagination. Again, if you have real testable, repeatable scientific evidence of ghosts, please present it. I would be greatly interested in seeing it. Same for UFOs=aliens.

“There is enough “andecdotal” evidence…. maybe not to conclusively prove it, but enough for me to entertain the thought that such things can exist and probably do.”

Maybe that’s fine for you, but its poor science. You can entertain the thought that flying pink elephants will fly out of your butt, but that won’t make it true.

“Its called reality. Welcome aboard! ”

It’s called reality as you choose to see it through your prism of “science.”

You make my point for me. You look to science as the be all and end all to explain the world around us. Science is reality and if science can’t measure it, then it’s dismissed as delusions, hallucinations, etc. because you can’t see beyond the known.

“No real scientist has ever said, “That’s impossible.”

Ha! That’s rich. Those quotes in my post are from prominent scientists of the day.

“What they say is, “With the information we have, that’s not likely.”

“With the information we have…” If only that was the stance in practice. But still, “information we have” is what I call it “science as we know it.” As the old adage goes, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

There are plenty of things where “we” had information but so-called science refused to accept it because it didn’t fit in their paradigm. You and folks like yourself refuse to believe that there might be things beyond what we know. You guys talk a good game about being open but you’re the most closed minded.

“Lightbulbs and televisions exist because scientists said, “Based on our observations, THIS could happen…”

Man, who’s living in fantasy land now? Professor Henry Morton, President of Stevens Technical College, described in the NY Times at the time as “well known for his “researches in physics…” was the guy who called Edison a fraud.

“Based on the information we have, ghosts are figments of your imagination, like leprechauns and the Tooth Fairy. Now, if you happen to have some evidence that proves otherwise, please let us know.”

Classic skeptic tactic. Throw all kinds of stuff into the mix to discredit one thing. There is plenty of evidence that something exists out there. Recordings, visual evidence etc. But the pseudo skeptic will dismiss this evidence with claims of “oh, it could be…” But they will present no case for proof for their position. And the majority of the time they haven’t even seen the evidence but feel free to weigh in on the subject. Why look at the evidence when you already know it’s impossible.

If you experienced it you’d know that it’s real and not a Flight of fancy, hallucination etc. In any case, did you consider that ghosts, ufos etc are beyond science as we know it?

Bottom line is this: You and those like you worship at the altar of science and deny that which doesn’t fit into science as we know it. But don’t get me wrong. I love science. I just hate it when people use it to prop up their belief system. You prove what I was saying in my post

I’m no woo guy and I am quite down to earth, but I am not so close minded to deny that there are plenty of things our there that we can’t explain. There is enough “andecdotal” evidence…. maybe not to conclusively prove it, but enough for me to entertain the thought that such things can exist and probably do. I have much more faith in humans than the pseudo skeptics and know enough that what we know may not be they be all and end all of the universe.

“What a sad thing to be trapped in the world of the known;”

Its called reality. Welcome aboard!

“Science” doesn’t “say” anything. It is a method used by people to understand the world around us very specific ways. No real scientist has ever said, “That’s impossible.” What they say is, “With the information we have, that’s not likely.”

Lightbulbs and televisions exist because scientists said, “Based on our observations, THIS could happen…” After years of experimentation and repetition, we have computers smaller than your hand.

Based on the information we have, ghosts are figments of your imagination, like leprechauns and the Tooth Fairy. Now, if you happen to have some evidence that proves otherwise, please let us know.

Man made machines can’t fly! It is “scientifically impossible for machines to fly!”

The electric lamp? ” A “completely idiotic idea.” “On behalf of science … Edison’s experiments are a … fraud upon the public.”

Now I’m going back to watch television. Oh no, that’s right, I forgot. It is “absolute rubbish that television waves could produce a picture.” Ah, I’ll read a book I guess, in the dark, by gaslight since there is no electric light, being scientifically impossible and all.