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	<title>Comments on: Antivaxxers are doing real damage to society</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Todd W.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/18/antivaxxers-are-doing-real-damage-to-society/comment-page-2/#comment-142532</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dawn

Thank you for the link.  I am curious, though, where that information came from, as it is not the official product labeling registered with the FDA.  It may include unofficial information gather by people outside of the product manufacturer or FDA, which may or may not be causally linked to the product.

As Adrian Lopez mentions, by law, product manufacturers must reports &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; adverse event feedback they receive in relation to their product, whether it is actually resulting from the product or not.  So there may be adverse reactions that occur subsequent to administration of the product but are not caused at all by the vaccine.  Also, with a &quot;vaccines cause autism&quot; atmosphere, many people are likely to report X, Y or Z vaccine as causing their child&#039;s autism.

Also, I would like to know where you get your data that the risks of complications from vaccines are higher than the risks of complications from the diseases they prevent.  According to the CDC, the risks of adverse events from vaccines are significantly lower than risk from preventable diseases.

That said, some people are more susceptible to harm from vaccines than others, and I would question the medical staff administering the vaccines, rather than the vaccines themselves.  It sounds as if your child may have shown signs that, according to the labeling for Tripedia, would contraindicate the vaccine for him.  I admire your efforts to get people to educate themselves and read the vaccine product labeling, but I still question your strong anti-vaccine tones.

Vaccines do have risks.  In general, those risks are low, while the benefits of the vaccines are quite high, for both the recipient and those who come in contact with the recipient.  The documentation accompanying the vaccines are very thorough about what those risks are, and when the vaccine should not be administered.  It seems like a lot of situations where children do suffer harm, it is after the medical staff (nurse, physician, pediatrician) ignored signs of a bad reaction.

As to the research, there still is no quality research that causally links vaccines directly to autism.

I feel for you and your family, and I hope the best for you.  Do you have any Applied Behavior Aanalysis programs in your area?  I&#039;ve seen firsthand the benefits of such programs started early on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dawn</p>
<p>Thank you for the link.  I am curious, though, where that information came from, as it is not the official product labeling registered with the FDA.  It may include unofficial information gather by people outside of the product manufacturer or FDA, which may or may not be causally linked to the product.</p>
<p>As Adrian Lopez mentions, by law, product manufacturers must reports <i>any</i> adverse event feedback they receive in relation to their product, whether it is actually resulting from the product or not.  So there may be adverse reactions that occur subsequent to administration of the product but are not caused at all by the vaccine.  Also, with a &#8220;vaccines cause autism&#8221; atmosphere, many people are likely to report X, Y or Z vaccine as causing their child&#8217;s autism.</p>
<p>Also, I would like to know where you get your data that the risks of complications from vaccines are higher than the risks of complications from the diseases they prevent.  According to the CDC, the risks of adverse events from vaccines are significantly lower than risk from preventable diseases.</p>
<p>That said, some people are more susceptible to harm from vaccines than others, and I would question the medical staff administering the vaccines, rather than the vaccines themselves.  It sounds as if your child may have shown signs that, according to the labeling for Tripedia, would contraindicate the vaccine for him.  I admire your efforts to get people to educate themselves and read the vaccine product labeling, but I still question your strong anti-vaccine tones.</p>
<p>Vaccines do have risks.  In general, those risks are low, while the benefits of the vaccines are quite high, for both the recipient and those who come in contact with the recipient.  The documentation accompanying the vaccines are very thorough about what those risks are, and when the vaccine should not be administered.  It seems like a lot of situations where children do suffer harm, it is after the medical staff (nurse, physician, pediatrician) ignored signs of a bad reaction.</p>
<p>As to the research, there still is no quality research that causally links vaccines directly to autism.</p>
<p>I feel for you and your family, and I hope the best for you.  Do you have any Applied Behavior Aanalysis programs in your area?  I&#8217;ve seen firsthand the benefits of such programs started early on.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Lopez</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/18/antivaxxers-are-doing-real-damage-to-society/comment-page-2/#comment-142265</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Lopez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 02:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From rxlist.com, on Tripedia: 

&quot;Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism, convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence and apnea. Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting. Because these events are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine.&quot; [http://www.rxlist.com/tripedia-drug.htm]

The key sentence is this: &quot;Because these events are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine.&quot;

People who think their kid has developed autism because of exposure to Tripedia will report it as such, whether or not it is true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From rxlist.com, on Tripedia: </p>
<p>&#8220;Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism, convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence and apnea. Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting. Because these events are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine.&#8221; [http://www.rxlist.com/tripedia-drug.htm]</p>
<p>The key sentence is this: &#8220;Because these events are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine.&#8221;</p>
<p>People who think their kid has developed autism because of exposure to Tripedia will report it as such, whether or not it is true.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/18/antivaxxers-are-doing-real-damage-to-society/comment-page-2/#comment-142174</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd, scroll down to CNS, Tripedia.....Autism is listed as a possible side effect on this website below.

tinyurl.com/55zesx

I sustained partial hearing loss from just one vaccine in 2007 - the rubella which was given to me after delivery.  So, the vaccine can cause the same injuries (your risk of injuries are far greater from the vaccine than the disease though) that the disease can and hearing loss is listed as a side effect to many vaccines.  My baby endured high-pitched screaming off/on for 3 days after his 2 &amp; 4 mo. vaccines.  I did call both times and was told this is quite &quot;normal&quot;.  I now know that &quot;normal&quot; means it happens frequently to many children.  It is also indictative of brain swelling.  Like a fool I had my child vaccinated again at 6 mo. and he endured partial seizures (head to toe spasms with eyes rolling back).  It was then that his doctor was alerted to his reactions with all three rounds (the nurses never told her??) and she informed me that his risks outweigh his benefits at this time.  He is now on the Autism spectrum and I blame the vaccines after what I saw.  To read my entire story - I have 3 more victims I&#039;ve learned....go to http://vaccinesexposed.blogspot.com  

My family will never receive another vaccine again and I will continue to educate others to spare them the pain that I&#039;ve had to go through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd, scroll down to CNS, Tripedia&#8230;..Autism is listed as a possible side effect on this website below.</p>
<p>tinyurl.com/55zesx</p>
<p>I sustained partial hearing loss from just one vaccine in 2007 &#8211; the rubella which was given to me after delivery.  So, the vaccine can cause the same injuries (your risk of injuries are far greater from the vaccine than the disease though) that the disease can and hearing loss is listed as a side effect to many vaccines.  My baby endured high-pitched screaming off/on for 3 days after his 2 &#038; 4 mo. vaccines.  I did call both times and was told this is quite &#8220;normal&#8221;.  I now know that &#8220;normal&#8221; means it happens frequently to many children.  It is also indictative of brain swelling.  Like a fool I had my child vaccinated again at 6 mo. and he endured partial seizures (head to toe spasms with eyes rolling back).  It was then that his doctor was alerted to his reactions with all three rounds (the nurses never told her??) and she informed me that his risks outweigh his benefits at this time.  He is now on the Autism spectrum and I blame the vaccines after what I saw.  To read my entire story &#8211; I have 3 more victims I&#8217;ve learned&#8230;.go to <a href="http://vaccinesexposed.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://vaccinesexposed.blogspot.com</a>  </p>
<p>My family will never receive another vaccine again and I will continue to educate others to spare them the pain that I&#8217;ve had to go through.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd W.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/18/antivaxxers-are-doing-real-damage-to-society/comment-page-1/#comment-142142</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dawn

I took a look at the label for Tripedia on the FDA web site, but I did not see autism listed anywhere in it.  Could you point me to which page it is on?

What kind of injuries did you and your baby suffer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dawn</p>
<p>I took a look at the label for Tripedia on the FDA web site, but I did not see autism listed anywhere in it.  Could you point me to which page it is on?</p>
<p>What kind of injuries did you and your baby suffer?</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/18/antivaxxers-are-doing-real-damage-to-society/comment-page-1/#comment-142100</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 04:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay.  There is no link.  Says who?  The vaccine manufacturers?  ACTUALLY, Autism is listed as a possible side effect to the Tripedia vaccine.  DUH?  After my baby and I were injured by vaccines in 2007 I then began to do my homework.  Not only do they cause Autism (aka brain damage), but they cause so much more in people who are genetically intolerant.  You have to be a real idiot these days to vaccinate your child without doing your homework.  Start by reading the package inserts that come in the box with the vaccine.  After that, you will probably want to assault your doctor and vomit in the closest bucket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay.  There is no link.  Says who?  The vaccine manufacturers?  ACTUALLY, Autism is listed as a possible side effect to the Tripedia vaccine.  DUH?  After my baby and I were injured by vaccines in 2007 I then began to do my homework.  Not only do they cause Autism (aka brain damage), but they cause so much more in people who are genetically intolerant.  You have to be a real idiot these days to vaccinate your child without doing your homework.  Start by reading the package inserts that come in the box with the vaccine.  After that, you will probably want to assault your doctor and vomit in the closest bucket.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Ansorge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/18/antivaxxers-are-doing-real-damage-to-society/comment-page-1/#comment-142069</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Ansorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mandatory vaccinations? No!

Mandatory education? Yes!

GAry 7
PS. In all my travels around the globe, I&#039;ve been repeatedly vaccinated against,,,well, just about everything. Wouldn&#039;t you know, the one I wasn&#039;t able to be Vaccinated against(malaria) would be the one I caught?
Bummer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mandatory vaccinations? No!</p>
<p>Mandatory education? Yes!</p>
<p>GAry 7<br />
PS. In all my travels around the globe, I&#8217;ve been repeatedly vaccinated against,,,well, just about everything. Wouldn&#8217;t you know, the one I wasn&#8217;t able to be Vaccinated against(malaria) would be the one I caught?<br />
Bummer!</p>
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		<title>By: P</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/18/antivaxxers-are-doing-real-damage-to-society/comment-page-1/#comment-141928</link>
		<dc:creator>P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what&#039;s the solution? Manadtory vacinations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what&#8217;s the solution? Manadtory vacinations?</p>
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