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	<title>Comments on: BREAKING: Obama to pick a physicist for science advisor</title>
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	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/18/breaking-obama-to-pick-a-physicist-for-science-advisor/</link>
	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: XI</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/18/breaking-obama-to-pick-a-physicist-for-science-advisor/comment-page-1/#comment-199429</link>
		<dc:creator>XI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time to roll up your sleeves and get to work!

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Obamas-science-czar-suggested-compulsory-abortion-sterilization-50783612.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time to roll up your sleeves and get to work!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Obamas-science-czar-suggested-compulsory-abortion-sterilization-50783612.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Obamas-science-czar-suggested-compulsory-abortion-sterilization-50783612.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Distributed Republic</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/18/breaking-obama-to-pick-a-physicist-for-science-advisor/comment-page-1/#comment-145540</link>
		<dc:creator>The Distributed Republic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Scientists as Policy Advisors&lt;/strong&gt;

Many non-economist science bloggers have hailed Obama&#039;s appointments of scientists to key positions within his administration. But some people, including economists, have been a bit more hesitant about at least one appointment. Likewise I am not so sa...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Scientists as Policy Advisors</strong></p>
<p>Many non-economist science bloggers have hailed Obama&#8217;s appointments of scientists to key positions within his administration. But some people, including economists, have been a bit more hesitant about at least one appointment. Likewise I am not so sa&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Escuerd</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/18/breaking-obama-to-pick-a-physicist-for-science-advisor/comment-page-1/#comment-142295</link>
		<dc:creator>Escuerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, while we&#039;re talking about authority, do members of the IPCC count as amateurs, columnists, or politicians?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, while we&#8217;re talking about authority, do members of the IPCC count as amateurs, columnists, or politicians?</p>
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		<title>By: Escuerd</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/18/breaking-obama-to-pick-a-physicist-for-science-advisor/comment-page-1/#comment-142292</link>
		<dc:creator>Escuerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pontus P, I don&#039;t think you read what was at the link I posted.

If you had read it, you&#039;d note that the CO2 data that the author used came from estimates of the amount of CO2 people contributed each year, not from measurements of the amount that was in the atmosphere, so the argument that temperature increase drives CO2 increase doesn&#039;t apply here (unless people create more CO2 when it&#039;s hotter).

The type of analysis they used (comparing residuals) was both powerful, and easy to follow.  The stock &quot;room for doubt&quot; arguments against AGW that you brought up don&#039;t really apply to it.

Also, pointing out that the person who wrote the article is not a professional climate scientist is classic ad hominem fallacy.  He&#039;s not pretending to be one either, but his input has more value than you give it credit for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pontus P, I don&#8217;t think you read what was at the link I posted.</p>
<p>If you had read it, you&#8217;d note that the CO2 data that the author used came from estimates of the amount of CO2 people contributed each year, not from measurements of the amount that was in the atmosphere, so the argument that temperature increase drives CO2 increase doesn&#8217;t apply here (unless people create more CO2 when it&#8217;s hotter).</p>
<p>The type of analysis they used (comparing residuals) was both powerful, and easy to follow.  The stock &#8220;room for doubt&#8221; arguments against AGW that you brought up don&#8217;t really apply to it.</p>
<p>Also, pointing out that the person who wrote the article is not a professional climate scientist is classic ad hominem fallacy.  He&#8217;s not pretending to be one either, but his input has more value than you give it credit for.</p>
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		<title>By: Pontus P</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/18/breaking-obama-to-pick-a-physicist-for-science-advisor/comment-page-1/#comment-142163</link>
		<dc:creator>Pontus P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If all I only saw was the evidence for anthropogenic global warming (worse the simplified conclusion of that same evidence), I would too be settled. However, it seems like whenever I personally look into any area of AGW the conclusion seems to be drawn by either an amateur, a columnist or a politician while the actual data is alot more modest or showing no conclusive evidence of AGW. For example, the graphs showing the CO2/Temp-correlation misses the detail that temperature drives CO2 and not the opposite. And alot of the time temp. graphs only span about 200 years - having everyone flabbergasted. Wider graphs does show that we have had similar rapid increase in both temperature and CO2 in the past before the post-war economic boom as well. They also show that we are currently in a relatively cold period.

Nothing of this is proof against AGW, but it definately makes room for doubting that we have an enormous problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If all I only saw was the evidence for anthropogenic global warming (worse the simplified conclusion of that same evidence), I would too be settled. However, it seems like whenever I personally look into any area of AGW the conclusion seems to be drawn by either an amateur, a columnist or a politician while the actual data is alot more modest or showing no conclusive evidence of AGW. For example, the graphs showing the CO2/Temp-correlation misses the detail that temperature drives CO2 and not the opposite. And alot of the time temp. graphs only span about 200 years &#8211; having everyone flabbergasted. Wider graphs does show that we have had similar rapid increase in both temperature and CO2 in the past before the post-war economic boom as well. They also show that we are currently in a relatively cold period.</p>
<p>Nothing of this is proof against AGW, but it definately makes room for doubting that we have an enormous problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Escuerd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Escuerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, CO2 drives global warming:

http://autismnaturalvariation.blogspot.com/2008/06/anthropogenic-global-warming-is.html

The gist:

Take the average temperature over the last 150 years, and the amount of carbon dioxide emissions over the same period.  Do a regression on each and look at the residuals.  They are very robustly correlated with CO2 emissions leading the temperature increase.

That pretty much settles it for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, CO2 drives global warming:</p>
<p><a href="http://autismnaturalvariation.blogspot.com/2008/06/anthropogenic-global-warming-is.html" rel="nofollow">http://autismnaturalvariation.blogspot.com/2008/06/anthropogenic-global-warming-is.html</a></p>
<p>The gist:</p>
<p>Take the average temperature over the last 150 years, and the amount of carbon dioxide emissions over the same period.  Do a regression on each and look at the residuals.  They are very robustly correlated with CO2 emissions leading the temperature increase.</p>
<p>That pretty much settles it for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Torbjörn Larsson, OM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Torbjörn Larsson, OM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Climate science is SOOOO simple!
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Probably not, but that is supposed to be the predicted main driver - and the majority of the experts seem to agree since a few years back. And the alternatives are starting to be excluded; I believe I saw a press release on a paper ruling out solar variation this week, and with the current trend it is likely it will stand up.

So if the temperature is increasing, CO2 is increasing, the other hypothesized climate drivers looks to be excluded, the majority of the experts have voted with their feet, and as a consequence international climate organizations as well, one has to be slightly skeptic about the rationale behind people claiming that the jury is still out. It is in, and now we have to face the consequences, whether we like it or not.

[Not that there isn&#039;t likely to be other mechanisms around, IIRC another press release claimed to see an older trend in climate concurrent with agrarian cultures, perhaps due to CO2 and methane release with changed land use. I assume there is plenty of leeway in CO2 trends, as it naturally should go &lt;i&gt;down&lt;/i&gt; late in a glacial interstitial, i.e. right about now.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
Climate science is SOOOO simple!
</p></blockquote>
<p>Probably not, but that is supposed to be the predicted main driver &#8211; and the majority of the experts seem to agree since a few years back. And the alternatives are starting to be excluded; I believe I saw a press release on a paper ruling out solar variation this week, and with the current trend it is likely it will stand up.</p>
<p>So if the temperature is increasing, CO2 is increasing, the other hypothesized climate drivers looks to be excluded, the majority of the experts have voted with their feet, and as a consequence international climate organizations as well, one has to be slightly skeptic about the rationale behind people claiming that the jury is still out. It is in, and now we have to face the consequences, whether we like it or not.</p>
<p>[Not that there isn't likely to be other mechanisms around, IIRC another press release claimed to see an older trend in climate concurrent with agrarian cultures, perhaps due to CO2 and methane release with changed land use. I assume there is plenty of leeway in CO2 trends, as it naturally should go <i>down</i> late in a glacial interstitial, i.e. right about now.]</p>
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