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	<title>Comments on: Your UFOs. Giff dem to me.</title>
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		<title>By: Albert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 04:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have only come across this blog discussion while doing a further look at the aerial drone hoax. The reason I am convinced it was a hoax is because of the excellent and accurate investigation by Starfire Tor. She broke the case in 2007. I&#039;m disappointed at the prejudice shown Ms. Tor since it is clear that the snide remarks were made by those who have admittedly not read her aerial drone report. Perhaps had you it would have been clear that her scientific application to the aerial drone mystery is what broke the case. Of course for those who chose not to deal with the actuality of the report and would prefer to speak from a position of ignorance, you have identified yourselves. I suggest, that instead of belittling someone based on your being under informed and prejudice, you judge the person based on her in depth aerial drone investigation. There was even a remark that she should not be respected or believed because she was first alerted to the aerial drones through Whitley Strieber. This, of course, is not relavent. What is relavent is that Ms. Tor proved that the aerial drones were a hoax and Mr. Strieber chose to ignore the evidence and continue promoting the aerial drones as real. Perhaps those bashing Ms. Tor are really people who  want the aerial drones to be viewed as real? This would make more sense in the attitude I have read here. Thinking honest people would have read Ms. Tor&#039;s aerial drone report and discussed that, instead of what I have read here. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have only come across this blog discussion while doing a further look at the aerial drone hoax. The reason I am convinced it was a hoax is because of the excellent and accurate investigation by Starfire Tor. She broke the case in 2007. I&#8217;m disappointed at the prejudice shown Ms. Tor since it is clear that the snide remarks were made by those who have admittedly not read her aerial drone report. Perhaps had you it would have been clear that her scientific application to the aerial drone mystery is what broke the case. Of course for those who chose not to deal with the actuality of the report and would prefer to speak from a position of ignorance, you have identified yourselves. I suggest, that instead of belittling someone based on your being under informed and prejudice, you judge the person based on her in depth aerial drone investigation. There was even a remark that she should not be respected or believed because she was first alerted to the aerial drones through Whitley Strieber. This, of course, is not relavent. What is relavent is that Ms. Tor proved that the aerial drones were a hoax and Mr. Strieber chose to ignore the evidence and continue promoting the aerial drones as real. Perhaps those bashing Ms. Tor are really people who  want the aerial drones to be viewed as real? This would make more sense in the attitude I have read here. Thinking honest people would have read Ms. Tor&#8217;s aerial drone report and discussed that, instead of what I have read here.</p>
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		<title>By: KommanderAdama</title>
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		<dc:creator>KommanderAdama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 15:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Bruce however I think he made a mistake when taking Josh Friedmans word. He can avoid direct questions faster than a greased hog going thru a picket fence..

http://tv.ign.com/articles/835/835266p1.html

IGN TV: So is that true that you haven&#039;t locked picture on any show but the first? 

Friedman: Yes.

IGN TV: And you&#039;ve not been back since this started? 

Friedman: No, I&#039;ve not been back.


- IGNJosh Friedman with star Lena Headey.
IGN TV: It seems a bit strange, because we saw you some time ago and you were shooting episode four at the time. 

Friedman: Well, I think because we&#039;re a mid-season show, we&#039;ve had some extra post (production) time. We&#039;re also a very post-intensive show because of the CGI. I think we&#039;ve just been a little slower to actually lock. We&#039;ve been going back and getting a few pickups here and there. The day that I left, all of the sudden we were talking about having a &quot;saga-sell&quot; or recap, which was going to add time and I was going to have cut. So when I left I&#039;d thought we had cut at least the first episode, but then I found that we had not. It&#039;s very nerve wracking. I have a very good non-writing producer, who is in there doing the best that he can. But editing is writing and it&#039;s another way to make your vision known. It&#039;s very frustrating for me not to be there. I have the choice. I can be there per my contract, but to me everything comes from writing and I just can&#039;t imagine walking past writers who aren&#039;t getting paid in order to pick up my producing paycheck. That just seems immoral. 

( yeah right Josh )


Josh Friedman: There will be Terminators. There will sometimes be pursuit. There will be Terminators in a lot of it, and there&#039;s also a Skynet component to the show. There&#039;s a detective; an FBI guy. Richard Jones&#039;s character will be looking for them. I have some really kind of big ideas that I&#039;m not gonna share yet, but I think people who are fans of the series will really be excited about it. Stuff that I know people have been wanting to see for a few years I think we&#039;re gonna take a crack at, at some point. Some really cool stuff. &quot;&quot;
(So hes plug his show same time Drones are coming out of wooedwork around him.)

http://tv.ign.com/articles/798/798086p1.html
IGN TV: How did you come to be involved in this series?
Friedman: They came to me a little over a year ago. Warner Bros had the TV rights, and I&#039;d written a TV script for them before. We&#039;d always wanted to work together, but I had told them I didn&#039;t want to really do anything with them unless they had something that was just great and that everyone was excited about and I wasn&#039;t about to twist anyone&#039;s arm to get on the air. And I got a phone call one day that was like, &quot;So… We are gonna do The Terminator after T2, with Sarah Connor.&quot; &quot;Oh! Yeah, that sounds like something I might be interested in!&quot; And I went in and talked to them, kind of laid out some ideas for them, and we went from there. So it&#039;s been a long time in the making. 
That means they were talking may 2006, and actually..signed deal august 28 2006.


(The Fix was In a long time) 


Now, Let&#039;s stop for a second and reflect on what the custom is movie business.
when using a similar story star trek
Scroll down to Production
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena
&quot;According to an account by Herbert Solow in the book “Inside Star Trek, The Real Story”[1], the relation to Brown’s story may have been an unconscious inspiration. After Coon had written what he thought was an original script, Desilu’s research department noted the similarity. It was therefore agreed that Desilu’s Business Affarirs office would call Brown and offer a fair price for the story, before it was shot and broadcast. Brown agreed without knowing that the story had already been written.” 

Now to re emphasize Brucsimms point, as well as mine, and several other sites, but which most devotees here know very well is you just don’t take someone elses script posted at dedicated website, and it does read like a script, ….change a name, barely modify the craft..and incorporate it into your show without even a credit acknowledgement..unless its possibly your to begin with by pen in hand or by purchase.



So we know that a writer of Joshs caliber, the Showrunner, The man in charge, with a fundamentalist persective, on writers rights.. would never violate a writers code, the episodes up to four had already been done and in post production by the time of writers strike..Thanks to that interviewers question and Joshs almost convoluted answer.. at IGN..
And we know that the at least one of skynet craft he alluded to on June 20,
 2007 is imo, that craft we saw recently on the end scene..of chronicles
The same 2week period Drones were popping up .

He then makes this statement in letter to Bruce..
&quot;&quot;It never occurred to me that anyone would use their inclusion in our show to cast any doubt onto the drones authenticity&quot;&quot;

Now, This is so patently false for a man in the business because thats Thats one of first things people will think and did..they said aha viral!
They may be a hoax--it&#039;s ultimately a matter of faith for many--but the fact that the drones are discussed on TSCC is only a testament to their hold on my imagination.&quot; is about the only credible part.
Just like he did with that IGN interviewer asked why he was shooting a scene during the writers strike, he carefully sidestepped, that it was for production already and went on to say how terrible for writers not to get their rewards.

This is how good liars mix half truth and half lies and ommissions , Its the essence of their business in sci fi, even some journalism and PR when doing damage control.
But to say he never thought anyone would think that is an insult to everyone! But its a good way to avoid being called a liar..
Just that he couldn&#039;t recall that at the time.

If anyone knows the value of internet buzz its him when he created buzz for the movie Snakes a Plane
He is a heavy blogger and buzz fanatic.
Thus the reference to that Blogger Abraham in that episode. A tongue in cheek reference to himself..you might say.
His writers did not remove the name Isaac until that episode was shot.
It was in play all along.

How do we answer that question?
..How could he do that and take a legal risk not be sued?
A. it was his story possible.
He is a heavy blogger and buzz fanatic.
Thus the reference to that Blogger Abraham in that episode. A tongue in cheek reference you might say.
His writers did not remove the name Isaac until that episode was shot.

B. The materials and elements were already Warners
The marketing and design studio and writers like Josh whedon have worked on Terminator, Firefly, Battlestar Galactica, X files, Star Trek
therefore making it simple to draw things such as design, alien fonts, etc.
No need to reinvent the wheel. No need to get permission..if there was ever a need because
because it was already there before that silly site, started by a Lawyer, with no prior history in UFOs
no less.. 
It helps if the 2 biggest promoters of the drone LMH and Strieber, worked with Warners in prior deals 
. As that will help them in future deals with same people. in fact. Strieber signed a contract for a separate movie on June 15 2007, with Warners.
LMH and c2c George Noory with show appearances on sc-fi . 

It helps if do interviews just before the comicon conference in July 2007.
who&#039;s kidding who folx. After July the CA drones never came back to haunt us except thru TSCC. 
Deja Vu indeed.


c. Some combination of the two
I would not doubt in the least.

Some references to Zoic
Thanx to SPF33 at OM

zoic studios is credited on serenity and tssc for effects. and many other joss whedon projects - buffy the vampire slayer, angel.
http://www.whedon.info/Loni-Peristere-on-Serenity-Special.html

scrolling through thousands of screencaps for Firefly(2002), Serenity(2005) and the latest whedon project Dollhouse(2009) gives a bit of insight into the design aesthetic of zoic and whedon.

this site has screencaps posted for every episode of Firefly (the tv show that birthed the serenity film). take a look while keeping the california drone and lap aesthetic in mind. 

from the drone-like ship to the inside doorhandles to the sun-back chair at the table to the pattern on the girl&#039;s shirt; a motif of a circle with radiating lines is shown all over the place;
http://still-flying.net/images/objectsinspace/

that&#039;s just one episode. this motif is played out again and again through the series.

serenity(screencaps) being the film continuation of the canceled tv show firefly shares much of the same circle\radiating arm theme. not to mention the symbol on the door that appears to be the straight from the lap.

thinking this might just be sci-fi genre design coincidences i looked for some screencaps of the latest whedon project dollhouse, which i don&#039;t watch and don&#039;t know what it&#039;s about.

here are the screen caps for dollhouse episode 1.
http://www.buffy.in/cpg133/thumbnails.php?album=45&amp;page=1

circle. radiating arms.

after seeing this i then learned zoic also does the effects for dollhouse.

and of course zoic is credited on tssc.

too much drone on the brain?

zoic studios.
http://www.zoicstudios.com/
rectangle. radiating arms. literally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Bruce however I think he made a mistake when taking Josh Friedmans word. He can avoid direct questions faster than a greased hog going thru a picket fence..</p>
<p><a href="http://tv.ign.com/articles/835/835266p1.html" rel="nofollow">http://tv.ign.com/articles/835/835266p1.html</a></p>
<p>IGN TV: So is that true that you haven&#8217;t locked picture on any show but the first? </p>
<p>Friedman: Yes.</p>
<p>IGN TV: And you&#8217;ve not been back since this started? </p>
<p>Friedman: No, I&#8217;ve not been back.</p>
<p>- IGNJosh Friedman with star Lena Headey.<br />
IGN TV: It seems a bit strange, because we saw you some time ago and you were shooting episode four at the time. </p>
<p>Friedman: Well, I think because we&#8217;re a mid-season show, we&#8217;ve had some extra post (production) time. We&#8217;re also a very post-intensive show because of the CGI. I think we&#8217;ve just been a little slower to actually lock. We&#8217;ve been going back and getting a few pickups here and there. The day that I left, all of the sudden we were talking about having a &#8220;saga-sell&#8221; or recap, which was going to add time and I was going to have cut. So when I left I&#8217;d thought we had cut at least the first episode, but then I found that we had not. It&#8217;s very nerve wracking. I have a very good non-writing producer, who is in there doing the best that he can. But editing is writing and it&#8217;s another way to make your vision known. It&#8217;s very frustrating for me not to be there. I have the choice. I can be there per my contract, but to me everything comes from writing and I just can&#8217;t imagine walking past writers who aren&#8217;t getting paid in order to pick up my producing paycheck. That just seems immoral. </p>
<p>( yeah right Josh )</p>
<p>Josh Friedman: There will be Terminators. There will sometimes be pursuit. There will be Terminators in a lot of it, and there&#8217;s also a Skynet component to the show. There&#8217;s a detective; an FBI guy. Richard Jones&#8217;s character will be looking for them. I have some really kind of big ideas that I&#8217;m not gonna share yet, but I think people who are fans of the series will really be excited about it. Stuff that I know people have been wanting to see for a few years I think we&#8217;re gonna take a crack at, at some point. Some really cool stuff. &#8220;&#8221;<br />
(So hes plug his show same time Drones are coming out of wooedwork around him.)</p>
<p><a href="http://tv.ign.com/articles/798/798086p1.html" rel="nofollow">http://tv.ign.com/articles/798/798086p1.html</a><br />
IGN TV: How did you come to be involved in this series?<br />
Friedman: They came to me a little over a year ago. Warner Bros had the TV rights, and I&#8217;d written a TV script for them before. We&#8217;d always wanted to work together, but I had told them I didn&#8217;t want to really do anything with them unless they had something that was just great and that everyone was excited about and I wasn&#8217;t about to twist anyone&#8217;s arm to get on the air. And I got a phone call one day that was like, &#8220;So… We are gonna do The Terminator after T2, with Sarah Connor.&#8221; &#8220;Oh! Yeah, that sounds like something I might be interested in!&#8221; And I went in and talked to them, kind of laid out some ideas for them, and we went from there. So it&#8217;s been a long time in the making.<br />
That means they were talking may 2006, and actually..signed deal august 28 2006.</p>
<p>(The Fix was In a long time) </p>
<p>Now, Let&#8217;s stop for a second and reflect on what the custom is movie business.<br />
when using a similar story star trek<br />
Scroll down to Production<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena</a><br />
&#8220;According to an account by Herbert Solow in the book “Inside Star Trek, The Real Story”[1], the relation to Brown’s story may have been an unconscious inspiration. After Coon had written what he thought was an original script, Desilu’s research department noted the similarity. It was therefore agreed that Desilu’s Business Affarirs office would call Brown and offer a fair price for the story, before it was shot and broadcast. Brown agreed without knowing that the story had already been written.” </p>
<p>Now to re emphasize Brucsimms point, as well as mine, and several other sites, but which most devotees here know very well is you just don’t take someone elses script posted at dedicated website, and it does read like a script, ….change a name, barely modify the craft..and incorporate it into your show without even a credit acknowledgement..unless its possibly your to begin with by pen in hand or by purchase.</p>
<p>So we know that a writer of Joshs caliber, the Showrunner, The man in charge, with a fundamentalist persective, on writers rights.. would never violate a writers code, the episodes up to four had already been done and in post production by the time of writers strike..Thanks to that interviewers question and Joshs almost convoluted answer.. at IGN..<br />
And we know that the at least one of skynet craft he alluded to on June 20,<br />
 2007 is imo, that craft we saw recently on the end scene..of chronicles<br />
The same 2week period Drones were popping up .</p>
<p>He then makes this statement in letter to Bruce..<br />
&#8220;&#8221;It never occurred to me that anyone would use their inclusion in our show to cast any doubt onto the drones authenticity&#8221;"</p>
<p>Now, This is so patently false for a man in the business because thats Thats one of first things people will think and did..they said aha viral!<br />
They may be a hoax&#8211;it&#8217;s ultimately a matter of faith for many&#8211;but the fact that the drones are discussed on TSCC is only a testament to their hold on my imagination.&#8221; is about the only credible part.<br />
Just like he did with that IGN interviewer asked why he was shooting a scene during the writers strike, he carefully sidestepped, that it was for production already and went on to say how terrible for writers not to get their rewards.</p>
<p>This is how good liars mix half truth and half lies and ommissions , Its the essence of their business in sci fi, even some journalism and PR when doing damage control.<br />
But to say he never thought anyone would think that is an insult to everyone! But its a good way to avoid being called a liar..<br />
Just that he couldn&#8217;t recall that at the time.</p>
<p>If anyone knows the value of internet buzz its him when he created buzz for the movie Snakes a Plane<br />
He is a heavy blogger and buzz fanatic.<br />
Thus the reference to that Blogger Abraham in that episode. A tongue in cheek reference to himself..you might say.<br />
His writers did not remove the name Isaac until that episode was shot.<br />
It was in play all along.</p>
<p>How do we answer that question?<br />
..How could he do that and take a legal risk not be sued?<br />
A. it was his story possible.<br />
He is a heavy blogger and buzz fanatic.<br />
Thus the reference to that Blogger Abraham in that episode. A tongue in cheek reference you might say.<br />
His writers did not remove the name Isaac until that episode was shot.</p>
<p>B. The materials and elements were already Warners<br />
The marketing and design studio and writers like Josh whedon have worked on Terminator, Firefly, Battlestar Galactica, X files, Star Trek<br />
therefore making it simple to draw things such as design, alien fonts, etc.<br />
No need to reinvent the wheel. No need to get permission..if there was ever a need because<br />
because it was already there before that silly site, started by a Lawyer, with no prior history in UFOs<br />
no less..<br />
It helps if the 2 biggest promoters of the drone LMH and Strieber, worked with Warners in prior deals<br />
. As that will help them in future deals with same people. in fact. Strieber signed a contract for a separate movie on June 15 2007, with Warners.<br />
LMH and c2c George Noory with show appearances on sc-fi . </p>
<p>It helps if do interviews just before the comicon conference in July 2007.<br />
who&#8217;s kidding who folx. After July the CA drones never came back to haunt us except thru TSCC.<br />
Deja Vu indeed.</p>
<p>c. Some combination of the two<br />
I would not doubt in the least.</p>
<p>Some references to Zoic<br />
Thanx to SPF33 at OM</p>
<p>zoic studios is credited on serenity and tssc for effects. and many other joss whedon projects &#8211; buffy the vampire slayer, angel.<br />
<a href="http://www.whedon.info/Loni-Peristere-on-Serenity-Special.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.whedon.info/Loni-Peristere-on-Serenity-Special.html</a></p>
<p>scrolling through thousands of screencaps for Firefly(2002), Serenity(2005) and the latest whedon project Dollhouse(2009) gives a bit of insight into the design aesthetic of zoic and whedon.</p>
<p>this site has screencaps posted for every episode of Firefly (the tv show that birthed the serenity film). take a look while keeping the california drone and lap aesthetic in mind. </p>
<p>from the drone-like ship to the inside doorhandles to the sun-back chair at the table to the pattern on the girl&#8217;s shirt; a motif of a circle with radiating lines is shown all over the place;<br />
<a href="http://still-flying.net/images/objectsinspace/" rel="nofollow">http://still-flying.net/images/objectsinspace/</a></p>
<p>that&#8217;s just one episode. this motif is played out again and again through the series.</p>
<p>serenity(screencaps) being the film continuation of the canceled tv show firefly shares much of the same circle\radiating arm theme. not to mention the symbol on the door that appears to be the straight from the lap.</p>
<p>thinking this might just be sci-fi genre design coincidences i looked for some screencaps of the latest whedon project dollhouse, which i don&#8217;t watch and don&#8217;t know what it&#8217;s about.</p>
<p>here are the screen caps for dollhouse episode 1.<br />
<a href="http://www.buffy.in/cpg133/thumbnails.php?album=45&#038;page=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.buffy.in/cpg133/thumbnails.php?album=45&#038;page=1</a></p>
<p>circle. radiating arms.</p>
<p>after seeing this i then learned zoic also does the effects for dollhouse.</p>
<p>and of course zoic is credited on tssc.</p>
<p>too much drone on the brain?</p>
<p>zoic studios.<br />
<a href="http://www.zoicstudios.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.zoicstudios.com/</a><br />
rectangle. radiating arms. literally.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan French</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/24/your-ufos-giff-dem-to-me/comment-page-2/#comment-145459</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan French</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 19:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@kuhnigget

Richard Hoagland?</description>
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<p>Richard Hoagland?</p>
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		<title>By: kuhnigget</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/24/your-ufos-giff-dem-to-me/comment-page-2/#comment-145389</link>
		<dc:creator>kuhnigget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 06:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, should have said, &quot;The woman was introduced...&quot; 

My apologies, Ms. Tor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, should have said, &#8220;The woman was introduced&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>My apologies, Ms. Tor.</p>
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		<title>By: kuhnigget</title>
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		<dc:creator>kuhnigget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 06:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C&#039;mon Greg!  The man was introduced to the &quot;aerial drones&quot; by Whitley Strieber!  What more evidence of truthful, non-fictional, hype-free science do you need?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#8217;mon Greg!  The man was introduced to the &#8220;aerial drones&#8221; by Whitley Strieber!  What more evidence of truthful, non-fictional, hype-free science do you need?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg in Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg in Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 05:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@lorerainbow,

If you read it on the internets, then it MUST be true! *sarcasm*

I want to believe. Please show me your proof that ghosts exist. What methods did you use to test for the presence of ghosts? How can I repeat your tests myself, to see if I get the same results?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@lorerainbow,</p>
<p>If you read it on the internets, then it MUST be true! *sarcasm*</p>
<p>I want to believe. Please show me your proof that ghosts exist. What methods did you use to test for the presence of ghosts? How can I repeat your tests myself, to see if I get the same results?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan French</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan French</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 16:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@lorerainbow,

The fact that someone like Gary Schwartz claims to have found scientific evidence for psychic abilities does not mean he is right.   You might want to read the links in the Wiki article under &quot;criticisms&quot; ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Schwartz

If anyone could clearly demonstrate any of the various paranormal abilities under carefully controlled testing, they might have taken James Randi up on his challenge...
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge/challenge-application.html

Alas, scientists are a lot harder to fool than magicians.

Perhaps Starfire Tor would be up to the challenge.  Easy money if any psychic abilities are real.

BTW, I do believe in lucid dreams.

Clear skies, Alan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@lorerainbow,</p>
<p>The fact that someone like Gary Schwartz claims to have found scientific evidence for psychic abilities does not mean he is right.   You might want to read the links in the Wiki article under &#8220;criticisms&#8221; &#8230; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Schwartz" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Schwartz</a></p>
<p>If anyone could clearly demonstrate any of the various paranormal abilities under carefully controlled testing, they might have taken James Randi up on his challenge&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge/challenge-application.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge/challenge-application.html</a></p>
<p>Alas, scientists are a lot harder to fool than magicians.</p>
<p>Perhaps Starfire Tor would be up to the challenge.  Easy money if any psychic abilities are real.</p>
<p>BTW, I do believe in lucid dreams.</p>
<p>Clear skies, Alan</p>
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