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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Annie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/14/vaccination-quickies/comment-page-2/#comment-215314</link>
		<dc:creator>Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, Sorry I am a litte slow to realize this is your site....

We my disagree on the vaccine issue however my daughter and I love astronomy.  We can all appreciate the idea that our galaxy is hurling through space at thousands and thousands of miles per hour while still retaining life here on earth as usual.  No doubt there is lots of mystery in our world and that things are sometimes not what they seem to be.  I guess we can all gain a little bit from the knowlege that we are flying through space at warped (sp?) speed on its own journey with no input from us....

Some things our minds cannot grasp but it doesn&#039;t change what is. So, no sense arguing over vaccines.  Let&#039;s agree that the world is full of differing views.  We need only to honor our own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, Sorry I am a litte slow to realize this is your site&#8230;.</p>
<p>We my disagree on the vaccine issue however my daughter and I love astronomy.  We can all appreciate the idea that our galaxy is hurling through space at thousands and thousands of miles per hour while still retaining life here on earth as usual.  No doubt there is lots of mystery in our world and that things are sometimes not what they seem to be.  I guess we can all gain a little bit from the knowlege that we are flying through space at warped (sp?) speed on its own journey with no input from us&#8230;.</p>
<p>Some things our minds cannot grasp but it doesn&#8217;t change what is. So, no sense arguing over vaccines.  Let&#8217;s agree that the world is full of differing views.  We need only to honor our own.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/14/vaccination-quickies/comment-page-2/#comment-215306</link>
		<dc:creator>Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize for glitches, my keyboard doesn&#039;t work well...  and sorry Phil, just realized you were not a doctor.  Hey, the earth isn&#039;t flat!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize for glitches, my keyboard doesn&#8217;t work well&#8230;  and sorry Phil, just realized you were not a doctor.  Hey, the earth isn&#8217;t flat!</p>
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		<title>By: Annie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/14/vaccination-quickies/comment-page-2/#comment-215302</link>
		<dc:creator>Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, Nonsense?  Did you even read my post?  It is a huge issue.  When you spray a weed killer on your grass or prescribe toxic medication to your patients (I am assumeing you are a doctor....could be wrong and then I apologize) you are harming me and my children and countless others via the afterlife trail of these chemicals.  Is this debate worth carrying on? Do you even think about what you are saying?  

Are you saying that babies are dying because they are not vaccinated or because my unvaccinated children put them at risk?  I am willig to risk the life of countless babies?  Really? Now I am responsible for other babies? Whose babies??? when vaccine compliance is pretty high in the US. What are you talking about?  When someone chooses to feed their kids chemical formula as babies and then allows them to eat a totally artifical, sugar laden diet and then gets strep and breaths or sneezes on my organic, healthy child, can I blame them if my kids get sick? Come on......  (hypothetically speaking because my kids have been around kids with strep and a host of other things and have never gotten sick from exposure, other than maybe a mild cold on rare occasion) 

And if the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle of any hot debate, are you too not possibly blinded by medical propoganda?  I know of several children who have had &quot;diseases&quot; they should have theoretically been protected from by vaccination.... and why?  Vaccine failure or is it that viruses mutate quickly? Oh right, it is possibly because of my unnvacinated children.  Hmmmmmmm.  

Have you ever studied virology? Or immunology?  We know that bacteria are really smart and mutate quickly in the presence of antibiotics.  Every organism wants to survive.  Built in by nature.  Not to mention that many cancers have a strong viral component.  But oh yes, we will soon have lot&#039;s of cancer vaccines too... and then more and more.  How insane is it to think we can be vaccinated for every possible diesease out there? Good luck those of you who believe you are smarter than nature.  At what point do you say enough and start looking at the bigger picture? This debate could go on forever.  You have your views and I have mine.  You can spend your whole life trying to convince us we are stupid and ignorant but I guarantee it will be in vain.  You may feel absolutely passionate in your quest and even may feel like you work for the good of humanity.  Do what you must.  At some point, one realizes that people have always had different viewpoints about matters of life and death and always will.  You can choose to continue to &quot;fight&quot; (your words not mine) if this is truly what you desire.

And no, I do not wonder why you fight us.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, Nonsense?  Did you even read my post?  It is a huge issue.  When you spray a weed killer on your grass or prescribe toxic medication to your patients (I am assumeing you are a doctor&#8230;.could be wrong and then I apologize) you are harming me and my children and countless others via the afterlife trail of these chemicals.  Is this debate worth carrying on? Do you even think about what you are saying?  </p>
<p>Are you saying that babies are dying because they are not vaccinated or because my unvaccinated children put them at risk?  I am willig to risk the life of countless babies?  Really? Now I am responsible for other babies? Whose babies??? when vaccine compliance is pretty high in the US. What are you talking about?  When someone chooses to feed their kids chemical formula as babies and then allows them to eat a totally artifical, sugar laden diet and then gets strep and breaths or sneezes on my organic, healthy child, can I blame them if my kids get sick? Come on&#8230;&#8230;  (hypothetically speaking because my kids have been around kids with strep and a host of other things and have never gotten sick from exposure, other than maybe a mild cold on rare occasion) </p>
<p>And if the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle of any hot debate, are you too not possibly blinded by medical propoganda?  I know of several children who have had &#8220;diseases&#8221; they should have theoretically been protected from by vaccination&#8230;. and why?  Vaccine failure or is it that viruses mutate quickly? Oh right, it is possibly because of my unnvacinated children.  Hmmmmmmm.  </p>
<p>Have you ever studied virology? Or immunology?  We know that bacteria are really smart and mutate quickly in the presence of antibiotics.  Every organism wants to survive.  Built in by nature.  Not to mention that many cancers have a strong viral component.  But oh yes, we will soon have lot&#8217;s of cancer vaccines too&#8230; and then more and more.  How insane is it to think we can be vaccinated for every possible diesease out there? Good luck those of you who believe you are smarter than nature.  At what point do you say enough and start looking at the bigger picture? This debate could go on forever.  You have your views and I have mine.  You can spend your whole life trying to convince us we are stupid and ignorant but I guarantee it will be in vain.  You may feel absolutely passionate in your quest and even may feel like you work for the good of humanity.  Do what you must.  At some point, one realizes that people have always had different viewpoints about matters of life and death and always will.  You can choose to continue to &#8220;fight&#8221; (your words not mine) if this is truly what you desire.</p>
<p>And no, I do not wonder why you fight us.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Plait</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/14/vaccination-quickies/comment-page-2/#comment-215254</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Plait</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 05:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annie, I don&#039;t vilify everyone who chooses not to vaccinate, but I will absolutely call them on their nonsense, especially when babies are dying because of that nonsense. When you choose not to vaccinate, you are willingly choosing to risk the life of countless babies you&#039;ve never even met.

And you wonder why I fight people like you who buy into the antivax propaganda?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annie, I don&#8217;t vilify everyone who chooses not to vaccinate, but I will absolutely call them on their nonsense, especially when babies are dying because of that nonsense. When you choose not to vaccinate, you are willingly choosing to risk the life of countless babies you&#8217;ve never even met.</p>
<p>And you wonder why I fight people like you who buy into the antivax propaganda?</p>
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		<title>By: Annie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/14/vaccination-quickies/comment-page-2/#comment-215233</link>
		<dc:creator>Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 02:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vaccines that enter directly into the bloodstream do not have the same immune response.  This is a biological fact. No one knows how this truly effects the body.  We can stop bantering on this. Other vaccines admnistered via the nose may possibly be safer and more effective -no one knows.    

All so-called &quot;evidence&quot; presented from anyone simply tends to mirror their beliefs.  

A pretty simple question.... why have the pro-vacciners villanized those who choose not to vaccinate?  If vaccines were safe and effective then they should feel confident that they are protected.  Why fret about us?  It is toally unreasonble that I should be have to be vaccinated because someone chooses to undergo chemo or other immune distroying chemical treatments -that are being discarded through their waste into the same earth that I have to live on as well.  Now these poisonous chemicals are in MY world too. Chemicals do not die. They go on and continue to pollute our environmet -for how long? Who is irresponsible? Shame on those of you with this rediculous argument!!!!!!! But yet this assessment is never openly discussed by the &quot;experts&quot;.  Oh, sure thy are experts but at what I won&#039;t try to guess.

Vaccine safety should be self-evident and shouldn&#039;t require bullying and belittling to those who opt out on the side of natural health.  Don&#039;t assume we are all ignorant of the &quot;research&quot;.  Besides, no one is here to save the world.  

When vaccine (and chemial medicine) advocates are willingto have a chemical dump in their backyard, then maybe they can take a stance on the subject.  Vaccines are not innocent litte concoctions.  Follow the trail from beginning to end and look at all the nasty little &quot;trials&quot; in third world countries &amp; other lovely hidden details.  But oh yes, the greater good.  If a few should suffer for the greater good.... This passes for sanity.  Ok.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vaccines that enter directly into the bloodstream do not have the same immune response.  This is a biological fact. No one knows how this truly effects the body.  We can stop bantering on this. Other vaccines admnistered via the nose may possibly be safer and more effective -no one knows.    </p>
<p>All so-called &#8220;evidence&#8221; presented from anyone simply tends to mirror their beliefs.  </p>
<p>A pretty simple question&#8230;. why have the pro-vacciners villanized those who choose not to vaccinate?  If vaccines were safe and effective then they should feel confident that they are protected.  Why fret about us?  It is toally unreasonble that I should be have to be vaccinated because someone chooses to undergo chemo or other immune distroying chemical treatments -that are being discarded through their waste into the same earth that I have to live on as well.  Now these poisonous chemicals are in MY world too. Chemicals do not die. They go on and continue to pollute our environmet -for how long? Who is irresponsible? Shame on those of you with this rediculous argument!!!!!!! But yet this assessment is never openly discussed by the &#8220;experts&#8221;.  Oh, sure thy are experts but at what I won&#8217;t try to guess.</p>
<p>Vaccine safety should be self-evident and shouldn&#8217;t require bullying and belittling to those who opt out on the side of natural health.  Don&#8217;t assume we are all ignorant of the &#8220;research&#8221;.  Besides, no one is here to save the world.  </p>
<p>When vaccine (and chemial medicine) advocates are willingto have a chemical dump in their backyard, then maybe they can take a stance on the subject.  Vaccines are not innocent litte concoctions.  Follow the trail from beginning to end and look at all the nasty little &#8220;trials&#8221; in third world countries &#038; other lovely hidden details.  But oh yes, the greater good.  If a few should suffer for the greater good&#8230;. This passes for sanity.  Ok.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 00:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I&#039;ll try this one more time, because it&#039;s just too important. 

I do not believe that vaccines &quot;cause&quot; autism.  I do believe that autism is linked to vaccination, though.  

Confused?

Acetaminophen is often given in conjunction with vaccines.  Acetaminophen is known to deplete glutathione, which is exactly what you don&#039;t want to be doing when you are launching a powerful immune response via vaccination.

Note when the spike in autism started...it was in the late 1980&#039;s, right after aspirin was linked to Reye&#039;s Syndrome, and everyone switched over to Tylenol.  Coincidence?  

Preliminary studies are already beginning to link prenatal and early childhood acetaminophen use with asthma, which makes perfect sense since glutathione is critical to lung function.  This also explains why so many autistic kids have food allergies and GI issues.  

Interestingly, children with Down Syndrome, because of their genetic makeup, don&#039;t make enough glutathione, and autism rates in this group range from 5-10% now.

There isn&#039;t a shred of scientific evidence that giving Tylenol before vaccinations is safe or effective.  Yet, this practice continues, and no one seems to be connecting the dots.  This ridiculous and reckless practice needs to stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I&#8217;ll try this one more time, because it&#8217;s just too important. </p>
<p>I do not believe that vaccines &#8220;cause&#8221; autism.  I do believe that autism is linked to vaccination, though.  </p>
<p>Confused?</p>
<p>Acetaminophen is often given in conjunction with vaccines.  Acetaminophen is known to deplete glutathione, which is exactly what you don&#8217;t want to be doing when you are launching a powerful immune response via vaccination.</p>
<p>Note when the spike in autism started&#8230;it was in the late 1980&#8217;s, right after aspirin was linked to Reye&#8217;s Syndrome, and everyone switched over to Tylenol.  Coincidence?  </p>
<p>Preliminary studies are already beginning to link prenatal and early childhood acetaminophen use with asthma, which makes perfect sense since glutathione is critical to lung function.  This also explains why so many autistic kids have food allergies and GI issues.  </p>
<p>Interestingly, children with Down Syndrome, because of their genetic makeup, don&#8217;t make enough glutathione, and autism rates in this group range from 5-10% now.</p>
<p>There isn&#8217;t a shred of scientific evidence that giving Tylenol before vaccinations is safe or effective.  Yet, this practice continues, and no one seems to be connecting the dots.  This ridiculous and reckless practice needs to stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jen

I know that at least on Bad Astronomy Blog there is a spam filter that puts posts into moderation if they contain hyperlinks, are really, really long, or have bad language in them.  If you posted here, try checking to see if the post is still there with an &quot;Awaiting Moderation&quot; tag next to it.  If so, be patient.  If the post is truly just gone, try posting again, without hyperlinks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jen</p>
<p>I know that at least on Bad Astronomy Blog there is a spam filter that puts posts into moderation if they contain hyperlinks, are really, really long, or have bad language in them.  If you posted here, try checking to see if the post is still there with an &#8220;Awaiting Moderation&#8221; tag next to it.  If so, be patient.  If the post is truly just gone, try posting again, without hyperlinks.</p>
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