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		<title>By: Russell Blackford on the NCSE Religon Statements &#124; Tangled Up in Blue Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Blackford on the NCSE Religon Statements &#124; Tangled Up in Blue Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 14:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Darth Robo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/18/texas-fight-for-science/#comment-140113</link>
		<dc:creator>Darth Robo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course.

&quot;We only want to teach both the &#039;strengths and weaknesses&#039; of evolution!  We aren&#039;t trying to insert IDCreationism!&quot;

Okay.  So who is it who wants this taught?

&quot;Uh... the same people who promote Creationism...  &quot;

Hmmmmmmm...

 8)

Thanks for teh links.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course.</p>
<p>&#8220;We only want to teach both the &#8216;strengths and weaknesses&#8217; of evolution!  We aren&#8217;t trying to insert IDCreationism!&#8221;</p>
<p>Okay.  So who is it who wants this taught?</p>
<p>&#8220;Uh&#8230; the same people who promote Creationism&#8230;  &#8221;</p>
<p>Hmmmmmmm&#8230;</p>
<p> 8)</p>
<p>Thanks for teh links.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg in Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg in Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just posted links to a blogger named Steve Schafersman, who is attending the hearings with the SBOE here in Austin. A very funny thing Steve says is, &lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;David Bradley just made the remark that he tried to get Ben Stein to come to Austin and speak in front of the SBOE, but they couldn&#039;t afford his fees! This comment is just priceless, since Ben Stein has absolutely no scientific or educational qualifications whatsoever, except his brief appearance as a public school teacher in the movie Ferris Bueller&#039;s Day Off (1986). His pseudodocumentary, Expelled, has been justly decried as a fascist, ignorant diatribe against evolution. The movie producer used every dirty trick to fool the scientists who were asked to appear in it on camera. Stein himself indulges in despicable tactics to mislead and deceive his audience about the truth. David Bradley wants to do the same. &quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s funny!

Click my name for a link to the SciGuy&#039;s blog, and follow it to Steve&#039;s blog &amp; updates.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just posted links to a blogger named Steve Schafersman, who is attending the hearings with the SBOE here in Austin. A very funny thing Steve says is,<br />
<blockquote>&#8220;David Bradley just made the remark that he tried to get Ben Stein to come to Austin and speak in front of the SBOE, but they couldn&#8217;t afford his fees! This comment is just priceless, since Ben Stein has absolutely no scientific or educational qualifications whatsoever, except his brief appearance as a public school teacher in the movie Ferris Bueller&#8217;s Day Off (1986). His pseudodocumentary, Expelled, has been justly decried as a fascist, ignorant diatribe against evolution. The movie producer used every dirty trick to fool the scientists who were asked to appear in it on camera. Stein himself indulges in despicable tactics to mislead and deceive his audience about the truth. David Bradley wants to do the same. &#8220;</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s funny!</p>
<p>Click my name for a link to the SciGuy&#8217;s blog, and follow it to Steve&#8217;s blog &amp; updates.</p>
<p>8)</p>
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		<title>By: Greg in Austin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/18/texas-fight-for-science/#comment-140111</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg in Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t make it to the hearing yesterday because of work. However, there is a great blog online thru the Houston Chronicle&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SciGuy, a science blog with Eric Berger&lt;/a&gt; His article &lt;i&gt;Debate over evolution in Texas schools heats up&lt;/i&gt; also includes a link to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chron.com/commons/readerblogs/evosphere.html?plckController=Blog&amp;plckScript=blogScript&amp;plckElementId=blogDest&amp;plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&amp;plckPostId=Blog%3af12fd84e-253f-46cf-9408-ee579f9a3a0bPost%3acf778c4f-63e5-4d9b-baf5-96fdd7c4ef91&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Steve Schafersman&#039;s blog&lt;/a&gt;, with great photos and summaries of the various speakers from yesterday.

I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll be able to get to go today or tomorrow, either. *dangit*

What&#039;s interesting is that the wording of the current science standards has included the phrase &quot;strengths and weaknesses&quot; for the past 10 years. So it would seem that Texas has been doomed for some time, and now these people are trying to help un-doom Texas.

Stand up for Science!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t make it to the hearing yesterday because of work. However, there is a great blog online thru the Houston Chronicle&#8217;s <a href="http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/" rel="nofollow">SciGuy, a science blog with Eric Berger</a> His article <i>Debate over evolution in Texas schools heats up</i> also includes a link to <a href="http://www.chron.com/commons/readerblogs/evosphere.html?plckController=Blog&amp;plckScript=blogScript&amp;plckElementId=blogDest&amp;plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&amp;plckPostId=Blog%3af12fd84e-253f-46cf-9408-ee579f9a3a0bPost%3acf778c4f-63e5-4d9b-baf5-96fdd7c4ef91" rel="nofollow">Steve Schafersman&#8217;s blog</a>, with great photos and summaries of the various speakers from yesterday.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll be able to get to go today or tomorrow, either. *dangit*</p>
<p>What&#8217;s interesting is that the wording of the current science standards has included the phrase &#8220;strengths and weaknesses&#8221; for the past 10 years. So it would seem that Texas has been doomed for some time, and now these people are trying to help un-doom Texas.</p>
<p>Stand up for Science!</p>
<p>8)</p>
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		<title>By: Thinking Texas Teachers Threatened &#187; Better Than Faith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thinking Texas Teachers Threatened &#187; Better Than Faith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Network. Others who just want to learn more about what&#8217;s going on, check out the post on Bad Astronomy. There is a pretty good discussion in the comments section, but here&#8217;s my contribution to the [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Darth Robo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darth Robo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;so you are in the evolution camp.&quot;

Not a good sign.

:(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;so you are in the evolution camp.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not a good sign.<br />
 <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/18/texas-fight-for-science/#comment-140108</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I live in the Dallas area. I called Gail Lowe, my local BoE rep and voiced my concern. I am little shocked, embarrassed, and dismayed. She actually thought there was room for both ‘theories’. She started with ’so you are in the evolution camp’. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Jim, this illustrates the success of the anti-evolution tactics.  First they spread the lie that there is some kind of controversy about evolution.  Then, they spread the lie that there is an alternative &quot;scientific&quot; theory.  People in positions of authority who have not taken their responsibilities seriously (and have therefore not become as informed as they ought) see a debate with two sides.  The third stroke of the anti-evolutionist lobby is to claim that &quot;both sides&quot; of the &quot;controversy&quot; should be taught.

From one perspective, it would be amusing to compile a text book about evolution versus ID (perhaps edited and published by those excellent people at the NCSE).  On the one hand, a nice overview of evolutionary theory could be presented, along with a &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; brief precis of the evidence that supports it.  This would occupy the first 28 chapters.

Then, you could look at the claims of ID, and examine each one critically.  This would be the shortest chapter, since, aside from strawman attacks on evolutionary theory and arguments from ignorance and personal incredulity, there is no theory of ID.  Unless &quot;someone intelligent somehow created some biological things, at some time,&quot; counts as a theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim said:</p>
<blockquote><p>I live in the Dallas area. I called Gail Lowe, my local BoE rep and voiced my concern. I am little shocked, embarrassed, and dismayed. She actually thought there was room for both ‘theories’. She started with ’so you are in the evolution camp’. </p></blockquote>
<p>Jim, this illustrates the success of the anti-evolution tactics.  First they spread the lie that there is some kind of controversy about evolution.  Then, they spread the lie that there is an alternative &#8220;scientific&#8221; theory.  People in positions of authority who have not taken their responsibilities seriously (and have therefore not become as informed as they ought) see a debate with two sides.  The third stroke of the anti-evolutionist lobby is to claim that &#8220;both sides&#8221; of the &#8220;controversy&#8221; should be taught.</p>
<p>From one perspective, it would be amusing to compile a text book about evolution versus ID (perhaps edited and published by those excellent people at the NCSE).  On the one hand, a nice overview of evolutionary theory could be presented, along with a <i>very</i> brief precis of the evidence that supports it.  This would occupy the first 28 chapters.</p>
<p>Then, you could look at the claims of ID, and examine each one critically.  This would be the shortest chapter, since, aside from strawman attacks on evolutionary theory and arguments from ignorance and personal incredulity, there is no theory of ID.  Unless &#8220;someone intelligent somehow created some biological things, at some time,&#8221; counts as a theory.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/18/texas-fight-for-science/#comment-140107</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The key question is: how, in principal, could we tell the difference between a universe that has been created by a god and one which has not? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

D&#039;oh!  I meant, of course, &quot;principle&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said:</p>
<blockquote><p>The key question is: how, in principal, could we tell the difference between a universe that has been created by a god and one which has not? </p></blockquote>
<p>D&#8217;oh!  I meant, of course, &#8220;principle&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/18/texas-fight-for-science/#comment-140106</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in the Dallas area. I called Gail Lowe, my local BoE rep and voiced my concern. I am little shocked, embarrassed, and dismayed. She actually thought there was room for both &#039;theories&#039;. She started with &#039;so you are in the evolution camp&#039;. So, we have labels now. Those who expect science as science are the exception, on the defensive?  This is just wrong.  It’s bad enough G.W. Bush pretended to be from Texas, now this [He is from Maine].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in the Dallas area. I called Gail Lowe, my local BoE rep and voiced my concern. I am little shocked, embarrassed, and dismayed. She actually thought there was room for both &#8216;theories&#8217;. She started with &#8216;so you are in the evolution camp&#8217;. So, we have labels now. Those who expect science as science are the exception, on the defensive?  This is just wrong.  It’s bad enough G.W. Bush pretended to be from Texas, now this [He is from Maine].</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/18/texas-fight-for-science/#comment-140105</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kazz said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Answers in Genesis and the Institute for Creation Research do not do good science.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This gets my vote for &quot;Understatement of the year 2009&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kazz said:</p>
<blockquote><p>Answers in Genesis and the Institute for Creation Research do not do good science.</p></blockquote>
<p>This gets my vote for &#8220;Understatement of the year 2009&#8243;!</p>
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