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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: What is the point of living?</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/19/mars-methane-media-mess/comment-page-3/#comment-420411</link>
		<dc:creator>What is the point of living?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 05:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] leaves open the unlikely possibility that some form of life very unlike our own is consuming it.  Mars methane media mess &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine Strange Discovery on Titan Leads to Speculation of Alien Life &#124; Space.com  I guess I am just hoping [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] leaves open the unlikely possibility that some form of life very unlike our own is consuming it.  Mars methane media mess | Bad Astronomy | Discover Magazine Strange Discovery on Titan Leads to Speculation of Alien Life | Space.com  I guess I am just hoping [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Have We Already Discovered Alien Life—on Mars? &#124; Science Not Fiction &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/19/mars-methane-media-mess/comment-page-3/#comment-305923</link>
		<dc:creator>Have We Already Discovered Alien Life—on Mars? &#124; Science Not Fiction &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 18:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mars. Methane can be produced geologically (and Mars is not short on volcanoes), or biologically. (Though media reports of that observation got a bit out of hand.) Either way, this is an important observation and research on the source of this methane is still [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Mars. Methane can be produced geologically (and Mars is not short on volcanoes), or biologically. (Though media reports of that observation got a bit out of hand.) Either way, this is an important observation and research on the source of this methane is still [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Big Daddy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/19/mars-methane-media-mess/comment-page-3/#comment-288428</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Daddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 14:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be nice to know the source of the methane but, more importantly. Is the methane on Mars in sufficent quanties to be harnessed by man ? For use as a fuel for power generation and or, rocket fuel for travel back to earth and for travel to the outer planets.

It&#039;s far more efficent, and produces far....far more reliable power. To use methane as a fuel source for power gen over the other options, solar fuel cells and wind gen. To be sure, there should be a primary and at the very least a secondary sources for power gen on Mars.

But if there&#039;s methane on Mars in large quanities, it&#039;ll sure make the whole job easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be nice to know the source of the methane but, more importantly. Is the methane on Mars in sufficent quanties to be harnessed by man ? For use as a fuel for power generation and or, rocket fuel for travel back to earth and for travel to the outer planets.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s far more efficent, and produces far&#8230;.far more reliable power. To use methane as a fuel source for power gen over the other options, solar fuel cells and wind gen. To be sure, there should be a primary and at the very least a secondary sources for power gen on Mars.</p>
<p>But if there&#8217;s methane on Mars in large quanities, it&#8217;ll sure make the whole job easier.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/19/mars-methane-media-mess/comment-page-3/#comment-273163</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 05:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love wet blankets on new and potentially exciting discoveries.  However, I prefer it to come from scientists who come up with convincing alternate explanations.  You pretty much rule out the geologic explanation bc Mars has been geologically dead for 3 billion years.  I was about to buy the chemical explanation until your parenthetical aside &quot;(if there’s a heat source like magma)&quot;...um...see previous sentence.   I crave the simplest and clearest explanation, not the most exciting.  I&#039;ll keep hunting for an explanation that refutes that the source is biological and I&#039;m sure I&#039;ll find it.  That&#039;s what I was looking for when I read this.  I wish you had presented something more convincing to give your wet blanket some weight. 

All that said, the source might be life.  The source might fricking be life.  When can such a thing be said in a remotely scientifically responsible way?  Seriously.  Not even to mention that if there is some other unknown process going on - that alone is totally exciting and would indeed suggest that Mars is not &quot;dead&quot; (in the metaphorical sense).  Of course we don&#039;t know and the odds are great that it isn&#039;t life, but I think those of us watching the astronomy game from the stands should feel comfortable getting a little excited about the possibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love wet blankets on new and potentially exciting discoveries.  However, I prefer it to come from scientists who come up with convincing alternate explanations.  You pretty much rule out the geologic explanation bc Mars has been geologically dead for 3 billion years.  I was about to buy the chemical explanation until your parenthetical aside &#8220;(if there’s a heat source like magma)&#8221;&#8230;um&#8230;see previous sentence.   I crave the simplest and clearest explanation, not the most exciting.  I&#8217;ll keep hunting for an explanation that refutes that the source is biological and I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ll find it.  That&#8217;s what I was looking for when I read this.  I wish you had presented something more convincing to give your wet blanket some weight. </p>
<p>All that said, the source might be life.  The source might fricking be life.  When can such a thing be said in a remotely scientifically responsible way?  Seriously.  Not even to mention that if there is some other unknown process going on &#8211; that alone is totally exciting and would indeed suggest that Mars is not &#8220;dead&#8221; (in the metaphorical sense).  Of course we don&#8217;t know and the odds are great that it isn&#8217;t life, but I think those of us watching the astronomy game from the stands should feel comfortable getting a little excited about the possibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonny</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/19/mars-methane-media-mess/comment-page-3/#comment-245795</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys just earned yourselves another subscription.</description>
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		<title>By: Chemistry Newsbytes at C&#38;ENtral Science</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/19/mars-methane-media-mess/comment-page-3/#comment-206962</link>
		<dc:creator>Chemistry Newsbytes at C&#38;ENtral Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Media makes a mess of methane on Mars. Discover [...]</description>
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		<title>By: mental_floss Blog &#187; Morning Cup of Links: Methane Media Mess</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/19/mars-methane-media-mess/comment-page-3/#comment-193862</link>
		<dc:creator>mental_floss Blog &#187; Morning Cup of Links: Methane Media Mess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the sudden loss of an actor in the middle of filming. * The discovery of methane on Mars caused a media frenzy last week, because one source of methane is &#8220;little critters basically farting.&#8221; We [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the sudden loss of an actor in the middle of filming. * The discovery of methane on Mars caused a media frenzy last week, because one source of methane is &#8220;little critters basically farting.&#8221; We [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Objectivist-Man</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/19/mars-methane-media-mess/comment-page-3/#comment-186185</link>
		<dc:creator>Objectivist-Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 21:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a thought, but is there ANY chance that all the rovers we&#039;ve sent up there could have carried some microbes with them, which then multiplied significantly and are releasing the now detected methane?  I know NASA has sterilization processes, but there sill may be a chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a thought, but is there ANY chance that all the rovers we&#8217;ve sent up there could have carried some microbes with them, which then multiplied significantly and are releasing the now detected methane?  I know NASA has sterilization processes, but there sill may be a chance.</p>
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		<title>By: obama - president</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/19/mars-methane-media-mess/comment-page-3/#comment-185712</link>
		<dc:creator>obama - president</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 00:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Methane possibly from biology on Mars?  How stupid are these people?    Maybe if a few trillion cows are living under the surface.</description>
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		<title>By: 13 unsolved scientific puzzles. Kinda. &#124; wongaBlog</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/19/mars-methane-media-mess/comment-page-3/#comment-159195</link>
		<dc:creator>13 unsolved scientific puzzles. Kinda. &#124; wongaBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] because the results were contradictory and ambiguous. Yeesh. The atmospheric methane increases are pretty cool, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] because the results were contradictory and ambiguous. Yeesh. The atmospheric methane increases are pretty cool, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Late To The Methane Debate &#171; Geordi Calrissian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/19/mars-methane-media-mess/comment-page-3/#comment-153022</link>
		<dc:creator>Late To The Methane Debate &#171; Geordi Calrissian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 14:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of what may lie under the covers of its rusty surface. I won&#8217;t go into detail (BA has a great discussion on the topic), but for the people who are reading this blog and have yet to hear about this topic, here is the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of what may lie under the covers of its rusty surface. I won&#8217;t go into detail (BA has a great discussion on the topic), but for the people who are reading this blog and have yet to hear about this topic, here is the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Frank&#8217;s Pandora &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Taming the embargo beast</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/19/mars-methane-media-mess/comment-page-3/#comment-150973</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank&#8217;s Pandora &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Taming the embargo beast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] legwork resulted in a better story? Did he beat all those lazy journalists? Unfortunately, no. Sutherland got the story wrong. NASA never claimed, nor could they, that the methane on Mars is of biological origin. &#8220;Right [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] legwork resulted in a better story? Did he beat all those lazy journalists? Unfortunately, no. Sutherland got the story wrong. NASA never claimed, nor could they, that the methane on Mars is of biological origin. &#8220;Right [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Metano na atmosfera marciana &#171; Eternos Aprendizes</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/19/mars-methane-media-mess/comment-page-3/#comment-150896</link>
		<dc:creator>Metano na atmosfera marciana &#171; Eternos Aprendizes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 03:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bad Astronomy: Mars Methane Media Mess [...]</description>
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		<title>By: quasidog</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/19/mars-methane-media-mess/comment-page-3/#comment-150200</link>
		<dc:creator>quasidog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 05:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wtf?</description>
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		<title>By: just read an average article</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/19/mars-methane-media-mess/comment-page-3/#comment-150173</link>
		<dc:creator>just read an average article</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 03:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, your article was attack/propaganda piece, and you ain&#039;t no Einstein (or Hitler).

The science you used to support your ideas was conjecture passed off as information, all in an effort to rub dirt in the eyes people who disagree with your opinion (Sadly enough, preemptively).

You need to check the tone of your article (and note).  You are rude, arrogant, and mean spirited, even while using ridiculously BAD SCIENCE.  

Oh, and Phil, over 90% of the atmospheric methane on Earth is biological in origin.  I&#039;m also pretty sure we have a few more tectonic events here.

Please bridge the gap with data instead of the bull you accuse everyone else of slingin&#039;.

peace - phil is average

P.S. NASA has always been honest, huh Phil?  Great huge pockets of magma everywhere on Mars, and right near the surface too.  I&#039;m still waiting on the dozens of STS videos they refuse to comment on.  You should implicitly trust an organization structured by Nazis.    Too bad The Von Braunanauts didn&#039;t land ON THE GREEN PART OF MARS.

Go back to your &quot;Bad Geology.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, your article was attack/propaganda piece, and you ain&#8217;t no Einstein (or Hitler).</p>
<p>The science you used to support your ideas was conjecture passed off as information, all in an effort to rub dirt in the eyes people who disagree with your opinion (Sadly enough, preemptively).</p>
<p>You need to check the tone of your article (and note).  You are rude, arrogant, and mean spirited, even while using ridiculously BAD SCIENCE.  </p>
<p>Oh, and Phil, over 90% of the atmospheric methane on Earth is biological in origin.  I&#8217;m also pretty sure we have a few more tectonic events here.</p>
<p>Please bridge the gap with data instead of the bull you accuse everyone else of slingin&#8217;.</p>
<p>peace &#8211; phil is average</p>
<p>P.S. NASA has always been honest, huh Phil?  Great huge pockets of magma everywhere on Mars, and right near the surface too.  I&#8217;m still waiting on the dozens of STS videos they refuse to comment on.  You should implicitly trust an organization structured by Nazis.    Too bad The Von Braunanauts didn&#8217;t land ON THE GREEN PART OF MARS.</p>
<p>Go back to your &#8220;Bad Geology.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Plait</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/19/mars-methane-media-mess/comment-page-3/#comment-150165</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Plait</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 02:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;just an average article&quot;: Gee, most of the CO2 in Earth&#039;s air is from biology, so are you saying Mars&#039; atmosphere is too? C&#039;mon. I&#039;m not saying there is magma, I&#039;m saying that&#039;s one way to get methane. I got that info off a NASA site, in fact. There are other ways to make methane as well, and the scientists in the PR gave them (and I link to other articles with more info). 

Sounds like another commenter with an ax to grind. Next time, you should try comparing me to Hitler. That&#039;ll earn you more troll points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;just an average article&#8221;: Gee, most of the CO2 in Earth&#8217;s air is from biology, so are you saying Mars&#8217; atmosphere is too? C&#8217;mon. I&#8217;m not saying there is magma, I&#8217;m saying that&#8217;s one way to get methane. I got that info off a NASA site, in fact. There are other ways to make methane as well, and the scientists in the PR gave them (and I link to other articles with more info). </p>
<p>Sounds like another commenter with an ax to grind. Next time, you should try comparing me to Hitler. That&#8217;ll earn you more troll points.</p>
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		<title>By: just read an average article</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/19/mars-methane-media-mess/comment-page-3/#comment-150164</link>
		<dc:creator>just read an average article</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 02:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee phil, didn&#039;t know you were a geologist.  While we are at it, the science on here is very one-sided, leaving out incredibly relevant scientific information.

Extremely poor article, designed to get the screaming masses, well, screaming.

You need to be HONEST about the incredible lack of geological activity on mars (where&#039;s all that MAGMA, phil?), the FACT that the majority of atmospheric methane on the Earth is from biological processes, and exactly what the atomic make-up of the carbon being discussed is and how that is relevant.

One last point about the MAGMA phil, you pulled that right out of a personal dark hole, with zero science behind it, if even that.   

 At least the Sun article had that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee phil, didn&#8217;t know you were a geologist.  While we are at it, the science on here is very one-sided, leaving out incredibly relevant scientific information.</p>
<p>Extremely poor article, designed to get the screaming masses, well, screaming.</p>
<p>You need to be HONEST about the incredible lack of geological activity on mars (where&#8217;s all that MAGMA, phil?), the FACT that the majority of atmospheric methane on the Earth is from biological processes, and exactly what the atomic make-up of the carbon being discussed is and how that is relevant.</p>
<p>One last point about the MAGMA phil, you pulled that right out of a personal dark hole, with zero science behind it, if even that.   </p>
<p> At least the Sun article had that.</p>
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		<title>By: Stink from the methane post &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/19/mars-methane-media-mess/comment-page-3/#comment-150111</link>
		<dc:creator>Stink from the methane post &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been getting some interesting feedback about my Mars methane post from earlier this week. Some people have complained that the media were not going overboard with [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Werner</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/19/mars-methane-media-mess/comment-page-3/#comment-150066</link>
		<dc:creator>Werner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah R:E the English press coverage - it was absolutely ridiculous what The Sun printed!! They literally announced it as “Official - there is life on Mars confirm Nasa”!! Just unbelievable. They claimed it as their exclusive scoop - like as if EVERY paper in the world wouldn’t have ran with it on their front page if it was the case.

Just another example of our totally stupid, irresponsible, lazy and rubbish gutter press over here!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah R:E the English press coverage &#8211; it was absolutely ridiculous what The Sun printed!! They literally announced it as “Official &#8211; there is life on Mars confirm Nasa”!! Just unbelievable. They claimed it as their exclusive scoop &#8211; like as if EVERY paper in the world wouldn’t have ran with it on their front page if it was the case.</p>
<p>Just another example of our totally stupid, irresponsible, lazy and rubbish gutter press over here!.</p>
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		<title>By: Florian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/19/mars-methane-media-mess/comment-page-3/#comment-150064</link>
		<dc:creator>Florian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, apologies. I never mind my images being used on personal blogs or websites. But for commercial use, such as discovermagazine.com, i think one should ask permission first. That&#039;s all. Sorry if i came across as argumentative. I have no beef.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, apologies. I never mind my images being used on personal blogs or websites. But for commercial use, such as discovermagazine.com, i think one should ask permission first. That&#8217;s all. Sorry if i came across as argumentative. I have no beef.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/19/mars-methane-media-mess/comment-page-3/#comment-150053</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of methane, your post &quot;Explore cosmic limits with me!&quot; got me exploring Mike Brown&#039;s blog where I came across this little nugget: &quot;Its surface is covered with large amounts of almost pure methane ice&quot; (http://www.mikebrownsplanets.com/2008/07/whats-in-name-part-2.html)...speaking of the KBO Makemake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of methane, your post &#8220;Explore cosmic limits with me!&#8221; got me exploring Mike Brown&#8217;s blog where I came across this little nugget: &#8220;Its surface is covered with large amounts of almost pure methane ice&#8221; (<a href="http://www.mikebrownsplanets.com/2008/07/whats-in-name-part-2.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mikebrownsplanets.com/2008/07/whats-in-name-part-2.html</a>)&#8230;speaking of the KBO Makemake.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Petit</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/19/mars-methane-media-mess/comment-page-3/#comment-150019</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Petit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one of the journalism bloggers who reacted to these stories, and as an enormous admirer of Bad Astronomy and Phil Plait, I&#039;d say that to hold up the Sun and a few other tabloids as typical of media science coverage is itself a bit off kilter. The post I did on this eruption in the press listed, by headline, two dozen stories on it. That&#039;s as many as I&#039;ve ever seen done lately on any given piece of news. It&#039;s an extreme bit of herd journalism, and some of the stories were in fact rather dumb.  I skipped the Sun&#039;s hed, probably should have used it. Either way, it is in no way typical. Most accounts were reasonably shaded. It&#039;d be hard for a good science reporter NOT to have written on this simply because it&#039;s new and different. Most did okay.
 Check it out at http://ksjtracker.mit.edu/?p=8369 .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one of the journalism bloggers who reacted to these stories, and as an enormous admirer of Bad Astronomy and Phil Plait, I&#8217;d say that to hold up the Sun and a few other tabloids as typical of media science coverage is itself a bit off kilter. The post I did on this eruption in the press listed, by headline, two dozen stories on it. That&#8217;s as many as I&#8217;ve ever seen done lately on any given piece of news. It&#8217;s an extreme bit of herd journalism, and some of the stories were in fact rather dumb.  I skipped the Sun&#8217;s hed, probably should have used it. Either way, it is in no way typical. Most accounts were reasonably shaded. It&#8217;d be hard for a good science reporter NOT to have written on this simply because it&#8217;s new and different. Most did okay.<br />
 Check it out at <a href="http://ksjtracker.mit.edu/?p=8369" rel="nofollow">http://ksjtracker.mit.edu/?p=8369</a> .</p>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/19/mars-methane-media-mess/comment-page-3/#comment-149980</link>
		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 06:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: Jim &amp; Florian.
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Fair use&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt; is a doctrine in United States copyright law that allows limited use of copyrighted material without requiring permission from the rights holders, such as use for scholarship or review. It provides for the legal, non-licensed citation or incorporation of copyrighted material in another author&#039;s work under a four-factor balancing test:
&lt;blockquote&gt;1. The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; 
&lt;p&gt;2. The nature of the copyrighted work;&lt;/p&gt; 
&lt;p&gt;3. The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole;&lt;/p&gt;  
&lt;p&gt;4. The effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: Jim &#038; Florian.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><font color="blue"><b>Fair use</b></font></a> is a doctrine in United States copyright law that allows limited use of copyrighted material without requiring permission from the rights holders, such as use for scholarship or review. It provides for the legal, non-licensed citation or incorporation of copyrighted material in another author&#8217;s work under a four-factor balancing test:</p>
<blockquote><p>1. The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; </p>
<p>2. The nature of the copyrighted work;</p>
<p>3. The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole;</p>
<p>4. The effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Plait</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/19/mars-methane-media-mess/comment-page-3/#comment-149969</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Plait</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Florian, what&#039;s your beef? How is that in any way sneaky? It&#039;s being hosted &lt;i&gt;on the same site the original was&lt;/i&gt;. I link back to the image and attribute it to the original guy. Sounds like you&#039;re looking for something to be upset about, but there&#039;s nothing there. &lt;i&gt;That&#039;s what CC licensing is all about&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Florian, what&#8217;s your beef? How is that in any way sneaky? It&#8217;s being hosted <i>on the same site the original was</i>. I link back to the image and attribute it to the original guy. Sounds like you&#8217;re looking for something to be upset about, but there&#8217;s nothing there. <i>That&#8217;s what CC licensing is all about</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Back to the Starlinks &#124; Mike Brotherton: SF Writer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/19/mars-methane-media-mess/comment-page-3/#comment-149967</link>
		<dc:creator>Back to the Starlinks &#124; Mike Brotherton: SF Writer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] speaking of small planets, Phil Plait at Bad Astronomy about how the media did a whole clusterfrak on the &#8220;methane on Mar... you may have seen last week.  Don&#8217;t tell me there isn&#8217;t a lot of bad science reporting [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] speaking of small planets, Phil Plait at Bad Astronomy about how the media did a whole clusterfrak on the &#8220;methane on Mar&#8230; you may have seen last week.  Don&#8217;t tell me there isn&#8217;t a lot of bad science reporting [...]</p>
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