128 kids die after being vaxed…..govt cant say why??? hmmmm, i read stories all the time where a baby received a shot and died within 24 hrs and its labeled coincidence……kids slip away into another world called autism and you say its better to have that than be dead….in essence an autistic child is dead. my friends son has autism which occured at 5 right after he updated shots to enter school….now he has to attend a special school lost his ability to communicate effectively, plays alongside not with, she already lost her son—and has to live with that daily. now the govt gets money from the meds he now has to be on.

what sickens me is that people uproar over a death they say could be prevented, what sickens me is all the sids and kids dying and developing other diseases…seriously who his really being negligent???

Have you looked who works with the CDC – who sits on the board of both the CDC and FDA? Former employees of MERCK. Yup, they’re such a swell company. They didn’t leave a drug on the market for YEARS even after showing it killed people.

Use a better argument.

And what does someone who posts an anti-vax paper get out of it? Nothing.
I know what those who post papers on the GOOD of vaccines get…. money, money.. and oh yeah, more money.

Instead, that poor baby who didn’t have a choice has died.

And these anti-vax websites are so biased, how can you expect to sway someone with that?

And you’re wrong. I might even say dead wrong. The links I provide in all my antivax posts show that very clearly.

So yes I’ve done research and educated myself thank you. I still choose to vaccinate my children to keep my children and the children around mine safe. I hope I don’t come into contact with your children before mine have been fully vaccinated to all the above mentioned deadly illnesses.

I am a parent to a vaccine damaged son so I know what its like to live with a child who has suffered as a result of vaccine. Unfortunately a child who suffers post vaccine regression and multiple immune system problems who also has the diagnosis of autism does not qualify for compensation.

I am taken aback at this cold hearted evil statement:

@ Todd: “We need a 1918 outbreak, with bodies piling up in morgues, to cut through the nonsense of germ theory denialism. When 20% of otherwise healthy children in this country are put into body bags because of parents right to make uninformed medical decisions, the antivaxers will continue to be viewed favorably by the public at large.”

what kind of a person wishes for the death of innocent children in order to prove a point?

I highly recommend looking seriously at alternative medicine, it will give you a viable and healthier option to the “Problem, Reaction Solution”, monopoly that the drugs companies have over our health. But of course there will be demands for references, facts studies (big pharma and the FDA refuse to fund studies on alternative health methods) because to sanction and recognise the efficacy of alternative medicine threatens their obscene profits because AM keeps people healthy, and healthy people dont make very good cash cows!

Whilst we are at it why do so many drugs/food companies allow dangerous substances and toxins such as monosodium glutmate, aspartame and flouride to contaminate our food and water supplies?

The stranglehold that these corporate monopolies have over our health are coming to an end and one day the truth and agenda behind the vaccination programme will be exposed.

Until then its up to parents to decide. Unless you think that freedom of choice has no place in a democratic society?

My board certified pediatrician agreed with me that vaccinating was not worth the risks for my children, and we are sticking with our educated decisions.

On a case by case basis, that is appropriate. Certain individuals may be at greater risk of injury from vaccines, and thus should probably not receive them. The problem is that the anti-vax types are against all vaccines, saying that they are dangerous, not just in certain specific cases, but across the board. There are also those in the anti-vax crowd that say they are not against vaccines, yet their arguments and behavior has the same effect as if they called for an end to vaccinations. They need to be more careful in their rhetoric.

You will not find any argument against parents weighing the risks and benefits for their kids. You will find arguments that such decisions should be based on sound evidence, rather than emotional anecdotes.

Note that there are many errors in his article. The most glaring one being that you cannot trace back the disease to the person who infected the kid. It is readily done, done all the time, and, with the recent measles outbreak in CA, done there quite well.

Make no mistake, Gordon is anti-vac.

You are providing quite a bit of comedy. If that was unintentional and you are not a doing a “Poe”, I would sincerely suggest you work on improving your science literacy.

Poe’s Law here:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Poe's+Law

If Divine Intelligence is an “organizing force”, then I would assume that there is some way to detect and measure it? You have a study, I presume, that shows how this is done?

It’s up for you to experience a different way yourself.

Personal experience is most definitely not a very good way to go about investigating something. It allows personal biases to creep into your interpretation of those experiences, leading to mistaken assumptions and incorrect conclusions. Let me give an example. You are sitting in a darkened room. It is very quiet. You have been told before hand that the place is haunted. As you sit there, you suddenly feel a chill pass over you. You think, “Aha! A ghost!” when in reality, all that happened was that a cool breeze wafted in from a drafty window to your right. You walk out of there and spread your story about how you encountered a ghost. You are absolutely convinced that you are right, because you experienced it. The only thing is, you’re wrong. You interpreted the events and stimuli incorrectly. Just because you experience something does not mean that your interpretation is actually what happened.

So, again, the lifestyle I led as a child is, by your reasoning, just as valid to support my contention that a “sugared-up, caffeinated, non-organic lifestyle” is a swell way to stay healthy. I experienced it, therefore it must be true, right?

“But your argument that all a person needs to be healthy is a holistic, organic lifestyle is not supported by quality evidence. Provide some, then we may listen to your arguments.”

LOL. Science is wonderful at establishing baselines of certainty until something comes along to upset the proverbial apple cart. Quantum theory is one example. Information from Hubble/Spitzer, much of which has yet to be disseminated or understood, would be another. Many scientist think they know, but truly, they are guessing (Medical doctors also guess) based on what can be perceived in that moment. The upshot is to rely on a system of “proven” evidence and defend it, until something comes along to disprove it.

Regarding the benefits of a healthy life style, the only way to know something is to experience it. While you may see my “anecdote” about my niece as lacking “sound evidence”, you miss the point. I’m merely pointing you to a door. It’s up for you to experience a different way yourself.

Divine intelligence (certainly not a religious term or belief) describes the organizing force that motivates and supports the flow of life force. Jill Taylor, a noted brain scientist, took a ride into a rabbit hole one unexpected morning (certainly not of her own doing) to experience divine intelligence. Her experience altered her perspective immensely about the power of the body’s innate intelligence. If you are interested to hear about it (in her own words) have a look: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_s_powerful_stroke_of_insight.html