V, part II

By Phil Plait | January 27, 2009 2:30 pm

So ABC has greenlit a series that will reboot the old "V" mini- and TV series, where alien lizards wearing human masks come to Earth to steal our water and take our women and eat our rodents and even eat us.

OK.

I actually was fond of the miniseries when it came out, silly as it was. The Nazi allegory was done pretty well. It was subtle at first, then built up until it was obvious (right down to the Hitler youth wearing brown shirts and the Nazi-esque flags). I gagged when an alien bred with a human woman — I had to explain to a friend who saw no problem with that that she was unlikely to give birth were she to go at it with a Gila monster — but other than that it was fun.

Still, the science of the show… why come all the way here to get our water? There are giant comets in the outer solar system that are dozens of kilometers across that could last a species centuries! Not only are they easier to get at than coming all the way down our gravity well to the Earth’s surface, but they’re already in a convenient solid form, ready to pack and go.

And eating us is silly– our proteins would likely poison them. And why pick Sirius as their home star? Given that it has a white dwarf companion, that means that it was once in a system with a red giant star, which would make any planets orbiting Sirius a rough place to evolve.

So, just in case the producers, Scott Peters and Jason Hall do an ego-search using Google and find this blog entry: you need a science advisor. One who loves science fiction, and knows the science of aliens and planetary invasion (I even wrote a whole chapter about it in my latest book). Let me help you. I’ll even eat a guinea pig if it helps.

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Comments (65)

  1. I thought the original mini-series was good. I had heard that the original creator of the series was planning a theatrical movie reboot, but obviously that fell through for this ABC/Disney collaboration. The plot involves some kind of female Homeland Security Agent. So, I wonder, since it is Disney, will Miley Cyrus play the part of the Agent, singing and dancing her way into the hearts of our Reptilian Overlords, thus averting a human civilization ending genocide?

    Hey, it’s Disney! It HAS to have a happy ending!

  2. In some parts of the world, guinea pigs are a delicacy. You may have to debase yourself more.

    Oh, and if Scott Peters and Jason Hall need a military advisor, I’ll be in line with Dr. Plait. :) 20 years doing everything from Ops (flightline to CAOC) to acquisitions. Got a fruit salad to make me look like a Bananna Republic dictator even!

  3. Calin

    I think having someone follow your advice on a movie would be awesome…especially since reading your latest book.

    However, do you really think Hollywood types are going to abide by what real scientists tell them? Judging by most of the releases from that genre lately, if it can’t be absorbed by a snot-nosed emo kid texting his buddies while the movie goes on…then it’s too smart for the American public in their eyes. If it can’t be sold in 30 second spots during “The Hills”, then it’s worthless as an action flick.

    I wish it weren’t so, but I don’t think Hollywood is smart enough to follow your advice.

  4. Charles Boyer

    So, I wonder, since it is Disney, will Miley Cyrus play the part of the Agent, singing and dancing her way into the hearts of our Reptilian Overlords, thus averting a human civilization ending genocide?

    With crass cross-promotion like doctor visits to The Practice and cameos by sitcom stars.

    Or they will make the plot as meandering and lost as well, Lost.

  5. Keith

    I remember the original V well. I even had a crush on the actress who played the Earth girl who, despite it violating every rule of biology we know, got knocked up by the alien.

    I feel a little ambivalent about the whole thing, but will take a wait-and-see approach. Yes, Phil, I think Peters and Hall SHOULD hire you as a science advisor. At least you could pick a more realistic star for the Visitors to originate from, such as Tau Ceti, Sigma Draconis, or Delta Pavonis for instance.

  6. Oh, my. I had totally forgotten about V. I *loved* V. I will welcome our reptilian overlords when they show up again on TV!

  7. IVAN3MAN

    @ Larian LeQuella,

    Guinea pigs are just rats with good P.R.

  8. Pocket Nerd

    An aspiring screenwriter I dated described it something like this:

    “A writer comes up with a concept, but he’s afraid his agent won’t get it, so he dumbs it down for his agent. His agent dumbs it down to pitch it to a studio executive. The studio exec dumbs it down to sell it to a producer. The producer dumbs it down for the director. Finally, the director dumbs it down to ensure the audience can follow it.”

    And yeah, scientific inaccuracy in film bothers me. It’s not too bad when it’s a plot device (i.e. Star Trek’s warp drives, where Warp 9 is always some magical value of “just barely fast enough”), but it’s extremely grating when it’s obvious that the writers simply didn’t understand what they were writing about, and couldn’t be bothered to hire somebody who does. (I feel the same way about depictions of the military. I cringe inwardly every time I see a laughably sloppy salute or an NCO addressed as “sir.”)

    If your movie involves Science Stuff, why not hire some Science Guy (like the Bad Astronomer!) for a week at $1,000 a day to vet your script and make sure it’s not insane or stupid? That’s peanuts in Hollywood money.

  9. Another Eric

    I think Miley Cyrus should play the Jane Badler role, it would be a complete turn-around for her, and no one would suspect that this eternally happy young girl would invade your home and swallow your pets!!

  10. Thomas Siefert

    Let’s hope they don’t stretch it as much as Battlestar Galactica, I’ve seen up to season four and I really feel that we could have gotten to this point in two and a half season.

    And eating us is silly– our proteins would likely poison them

    Maybe we are like cigarettes to them? People know they are not good for them, yet they puff away like there’s no tomorrow.

  11. The new “V” centers on Erica Evans, a Homeland Security agent with an aimless son. When the aliens arrive, her son gloms on to them — causing tension within the family.

    Like the original, show centers on visitors who say they’ve come to help the Earth — but their motives are nefarious.

    The premise in today’s political context sounds like pr0n for Lou Dobbs and co.

  12. boxofbirds

    oh dear, I remember being so freaked out by V when I was a kid. I should try to find and re-watch it now. I look forward to the new version as long as it is better than the new “Knight Rider.”

  13. theinquisitor

    (sigh) more sci-fi that isn’t sci. It’s just fantasy. It’s the difference between Star Wars and Star Trek.

  14. Oh, and eating guinea pigs is easy, there are a few civilization who subsisted on them. Cheater.

  15. Alan French

    I thought Star Trek was fantasy trying to be science fiction. If only we’d get another Babylon 5! (Or, perhaps, redo the last season.)

    Clear skies, Alan

  16. tacitus

    I enjoyed the original V miniseries as a kid — yes they showed it in the UK too!

    The follow-on series was terrible. They saved money by recycling the special effects from the miniseries, so you ended up with the same few shots of alien fighter craft flying across the landscape and, inexplicably, crashing into the mountain side as their prey disappeared into a tunnel.

  17. Pocket Nerd, you military as well? It bugs me too. Heck, I get mad when I see their uniforms are out of regs. As an aviator, I get bugged by a lot of liberal interpretations fo what is and what isn’t possible with aircraft too. My wife refuses to watch movies with me if she knows there are those elements in it!

  18. “And why pick Sirius as their home star? Given that it has a white dwarf companion, that means that it was once in a system with a red giant star, which would make any planets orbiting Sirius a rough place to evolve.”

    Also, the system is young compared to the solar system. There’s probably all kinds of rocks and small planetiods still swarming around in the inner system. A sizeable planet would be pelted relentlessly.

  19. Trucker Doug

    Larry Niven often talks about being approached with the original idea, and making the same objections. His idea? The aliens were the intelligent dinosaurs who fled the planet post-asteroid impact. They want the Earth back, but know that they must use guile. Still massive holes, but it at least explains how they can eat the food.

    I loved the orignal series (and even the second one and the TV series that followed) but the novelization has one big advantage. At the end of The Final Battle, when the motherships are leaving Earth, Elizabeth saves the day. In the show, she uses amazing magical powers. In the book, she has memorized the controls from her brief observations.

  20. Now, i can’t wait to see a re-make of Galactica 1980! Long live Dr. Zee!

  21. BMcP

    We know now that the Kuiper Belt itself has enough water to last a species centuries, but did we have that knowledge in the 1980′s and was it common? I think most average people think when it comes to our solar system, Earth has the water, at least then (and sadly probably still now), so I can see why ‘stealing water from Earth’ made a plausible story device in the original series.

    Of course the new V may be re-imaged, much like Battlestar Galactica was, and the aliens may have largely different reasons for attempting to take over the Earth this time.

  22. Charles Boyer

    “Now, I can’t wait to see a re-make of Galactica 1980!”

    Your wish may come true (sort of) by the end of the current run of BSG episodes. There’s a spoiler floating about concerning the final scene, which I won’t divulge other than to say that Times Square is supposedly involved.

  23. JB of Brisbane

    What? No human-alien iterrelation and breeding? That would deny the new series the best corruption of a character name that I ever came up with – “Lizardbeth”.

  24. My fav scene in V revolved around the visual reconstruction of a lizard traitor using his DNA… the lizards looked on blankly as a machine constructed first his skull, then flesh, then lizard ‘face’ … and only when his DNA was used to construct his ‘human’ rubber mask! did all the other lizards recognize him!!

  25. Anton P. Nym

    @TruckerDoug: I too was going to bring up Niven’s recasting of the situation. I think he also went as far as saying that the water gathering was for local use (say, for reviving all their frozen livestock and low-grade colonists… though I don’t know if that was his idea or just mine stamping all over his) instead of shipping home and that the “Sirius origin” line was a bill of goods to sell to the yokels.

    But the xenophilia thing, yeah. Yech. Bad writer, no biscuit.

    (I wonder if they’ll bring back the Big Hair from the series too… the Visitors have to be friendly ’cause they’re teased to please!)

    — Steve

  26. Cairnos

    I really liked V as a kid but there was one piece of reality stretching that bugged me.

    I could handle them coming all this way for water (although come on guys, you beathe oxygen, hydrogen isn’t the least common element around and if you managed to build that ship without discovering fire something is seriously wrong). I could handle the crossbreed baby, these guys presumably have some nifty genetic technology (although the ‘Why?’ question seemed to fall back on ‘To see if we could’).

    But where my suspension of disbelief always fell over was ‘Frikken aliens just stepped out of thier shuttle and they look just like us, doesn’t anyone else find that just a MITE suspicious?’

  27. MadScientist

    Anyone else want to vote on feeding Phil to lizards to see if the lizards die of food poisoning? Do they have to be extraterrestrial lizards?

    If anyone feels like trying out guineapig, my vulcanologist buddies say they’re popular in Guatemala. Deep-fried guineapig. Anyone from the UK still have wartime recipes for rat? Yumm… rabid rat roast.

  28. Ted M.

    For a cautionary tale on being a TV consultant read “Starcrossed” by Ben Bova. Check the reviews at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Starcrossed-Ben-Bova/dp/0812532317/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1233103558&sr=1-5
    (Sorry I am not getting the link active.)
    The book is a good read with a lot of inside jokes.

  29. Flak

    Ooooo, I loved ‘V’ and ‘V: The Final Battle.’ They were scary, seemed all too plausable to my 12 year old mind, and of course I loved that the humans won in the end. I got the chance to rewatch both series a few years ago and… lets just say if any of you were wondering time hasn’t been kind to them. Oh, and they still best appeal to a 12 year old’s mind as well. Yet I’ll watch the reboot to at least give it a chance and hope against all odds that we end up with something closer to the modern BSG then the modern Knight Rider.

  30. Andrew

    According to the wikipedia article, the original concept for V was an adaptation of Sinclair Lewis’ novel “It Can’t Happen Here” about a fascist takeover of the United States; the network decided that that wouldn’t fly, so they added lizard aliens after our water.

  31. Bigger version here

    They taste like rabbit and presumably rat. The one I had wasn’t very palatable. I’m not a fan of rodent anyway.

  32. Next you’ll tell me the Machines wouldn’t keep humans in the Matrix just for their body heat and bioelectricity. :(

    Original miniseries director Kenneth Johnson has just written a novel, apparently a sequel to ‘V’ and ignoring the other material he wasn’t involved with. The book is sitting on my shelf. I put it down after I found the first three pages crammed with dick & fart jokes and leering descriptions of naked females.

  33. gopher65

    I had that same problem with the episode of BSG where they are short on water, and can’t find any anywhere. WTF is the matter with them? Water is everywhere! It was so ridiculous that I almost stopped watching the show.

    I think that episode was where I started disliking BSG. If the writers can’t even be bothered to *do a freaking Wikipedia search*, then they don’t deserve my viewership.

  34. MadScientist

    @The Chemist:

    I don’t see what the Large Hadron Collider has to do with 2-legged walking lizards. I’ve always told people it would be absolutely wonderful if the LHC did destroy the world because then we’d know that there was something fundamentally wrong with our understanding of nature. If there are any survivors then there’s something fantastic to learn and if there are no survivors then it really doesn’t matter. However, the people who say the LHC will be the end of the world are obviously cranks who don’t know what they’re talking about.

  35. Nemo

    Next you’ll tell me the Machines wouldn’t keep humans in the Matrix just for their body heat and bioelectricity. :(

    At least in that case, we can plausibly attribute the idea to Morpheus’ ignorance rather than the writers’ (although some of the other characters should’ve called him on it). He was shown to be wrong about other things, so it’s not too much of a stretch. My own interpretation is that, after winning the war, the machines didn’t want to kill humans off, so they put us on ice to protect themselves from us. They even told themselves we were better off in the Matrix.

  36. Francois

    This is the most awesome news, I think V was the first time, I fell in love with Sci-Fi and Alien and space movies.

  37. José

    OK, I think I was a little too young for the original V, but I though this was a movie about a giant pteranadon-ish monster terrorizing New York City. What the heck am I thinking of? Google is failing me.

    The only other clue I can think of is that there was a scene where a topless, sunbathing, woman was picked off the roof of a building and eaten. My first encounter with gratuitous nudity obviously made more of an impression on me than the actual title of the film.

  38. Troy

    I remember liking the mini-series but hating the series. My impression was less that they were plundering our water as much as they were changing the earth’s environment to make it like their own planet. Yes they were taking our goodies, might as well since they are here. Also cross species reproduction would have been something the visitors might have wanted to try (a Joseph Mengele type of experiment?) and they might even have the technology to make it work. So does it have plausibility problems? Sure, but it can work on its own level. (The NAZI allegory worked better than the science.) Too bad they are remaking it though, no reason for that.

  39. Wildride

    Were they actually stealing water? My recollection was they were making some “chemical” but it turned out to be water which they were promptly dumping back into the atmosphere because the whole chemical thing was a ruse and they were just here to eat us.

  40. Sion

    “Pocket Nerd Says:

    …If your movie involves Science Stuff, why not hire some Science Guy (like the Bad Astronomer!) for a week at $1,000 a day to vet your script and make sure it’s not insane or stupid? That’s peanuts in Hollywood money.”

    Ok, now it’s a bidding war. I’ll undercut Dr P and do it for $500 a day.

  41. Monti0

    I *loved* the series (was around 9 years old when it aired). Aliens + Lizards + Lasers = Awesome!

    However, on a more “ouch it hurts” note:

    I had the series “V” used in a “makes you think, doesn’t it?” type fashion at me by a David Icke fan last year…

  42. Sili

    Funny. The thing that annoyed me the most – from what little I caught, and recall by now – was how the marching band played the Star Wars theme at the official greeting of the aliens somewhere. Instead of something good by one of the best march composers ever – and an American to boot – Sousa.

  43. Winter Solstice Man

    A real alien “invasion” would be over for us in no time – they just have to drop a few well-aimed asteroids and wait for the dust to settle. We would not have a chance to stop them, at least not at the present time despite all our talk about stopping an incoming space rock.

    Or they can send in one ship moving at relativistic speeds. The energy release from the impact with our planet alone would guarantee the elimination of most Earth life.

    So this whole bit of sending in troops coming from interstellar distances and having pitched battles with the locals is beyond stupid, even more than their need for water – though that is pretty bad, too. It was also the plot from The Man Who Fell to Earth starring David Bowie.

    And yes, anyone with any knowledge knew that comets had lots of water back then. They also knew that most Jovian moons were mainly water ice, too.

    Plus I found V the series became quite mundane and boring after a bit.

    But one thing you will never get is a Hollywood type to understand or appreciate anything to do with accurate science in a film or TV series. Kubrick was a rare exception, and even he took a few liberties when the plot called for it (no radiator fins on Discovery to get rid of all that heat from the nuclear engines, for example).

    So stick to documentaries and books for real science education. Sadly most people still get their “education” from Hollywood.

  44. Philip from Australia

    Ahh… yes… loved the mini-series as a teen.

    I remember the thinking of why come to Earth for water? And that REALLY annoyed me in Independence Day. The difference being (at least for me), was it was not ONLY the water that they came for. They also came for us (for food and soldiers), not to mention other critters. So why not grab the water, too. Unlike the ID4 aliens, that wanted us DEAD. Surly they would have been better off mining moons and other planets.

    The CLAIMED they came from Sirius. In the novel, I think Donovan asked himself something like ‘that’s a bright star, why do the have to wear the dark glasses’ and made a mental note to ask an astronomer. But then things got way hot. It is plausible that they don’t come from there. On the other hand, why lie about that? Not much we could do with that info.

    And isn’t it possible… remote, sure, that they and us had the same START to life? What is that hypothesis – you know, life came from space. If that were the reason, then it is likely that we could eat each other. The fact that we could interbreed (maybe with help from Diana – ok.. PROBABLY with help from Diana… the sicko that she was) would have meant we were more the same than different (as the priest said in the Final Battle).

    @Cairnos – Some people WERE suspicious about why they looked like us. That’s why those people started to disappear. Or have attitude adjustments.

    I still loved the miniseries. I even have those on DVD. Debating whether to get the series… as I am not a fan of that. But I do like to have complete sets of things. Yea… mildly obsessive. :)

    PfA

  45. I guess I’m part of a small minority among the SF watching community as being someone who simply refused to watch V since the whole premise was just too silly. I don’t hold out any hope at all for the revival.

    Alien Nation now, that needs to be brought back.

  46. Eric H.

    Wow, they drop stuff like invasion(about amphibians, not lizards) but then they green light this. I will never understand ABC. As much as I would like to watch this, I probably will not as ABC, as well as the other networks(I will never forgive you FOX for canceling Firefly), always cancel these series as they make far more money off of crap like Bridezilla…

  47. Eric H.

    I apologize for the double post, but I just re-read my comment and realized that my tone sounded a little bad. I said “Wow, they drop stuff like invasion(about amphibians, not lizards) but then they green light this.” In no way was I trying to convey the feeling that this show is somehow less than Invasion. I was simply commenting on the fact that it is the same channel and the same genre of television show.

  48. Sion

    Perhaps even sillier were the aliens in ‘Signs’ who, despite being killed by a glass of water thrown at them, come to a planet 70% covered in water, where it rains a lot of the time!

  49. Joe Meils

    The original “V” miniseries was pretty well done… but once it went to series… well… the term “sh*t on toast” would probably be a kindness. Look at the writers credits for the series, and compare them to a writers list for “The Dukes of Hazard.” Yer honor, the defense rests!

    Yes, they need a science advisor. But even more than that, they need people who can write their way out of a wet paper bag!

  50. amphiox

    Philip for Australia: Your comment about the relativistic spaceship is interesting. This would of course mean that any interstellar spacecraft would automatically be a space-based weapon of mass destruction, and the construction of which, even if the technology were available, would be a contravention of internation treaty.

    I don’t actually see the problem with postulating that the aliens came from the Sirius system. So long as you don’t insist that they originated there, of course. It isn’t that much of a stretch to imaging that a species in the habit of invading other planets could have gone to Sirius from a prior destination, before coming to earth.

  51. J. M. Straczynski once wrote a sequel script proposal for V. The first three acts are still available on-line:

    http://www.noreascon.org/users/sflovers/u1/ftp/pub/sf-lovers/fandom/fiction/v-rebirth.txt

  52. segnosaur

    José says: “OK, I think I was a little too young for the original V, but I though this was a movie about a giant pteranadon-ish monster terrorizing New York City. What the heck am I thinking of? Google is failing me.”

    I think you might be thinking of the movie “Q: The Winged Serpent”. (Never saw it myself, but saw it for rent in the video store years ago.)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_(film)

  53. Cairnos

    @Sion: That one bugged me so much that I actually spent the odd moment over the next few days trying to come up with something that could possibly, no matter how remotely, even sound like it could make sense. I finally came up with them being the equivilent of extreme sports afficianados who thought that attacking a planet that didn’t seem to be deliberately designed to kill them would be too tame. This also explains (for a given, extremely low value of explain) why they seemed to want to fight creatures who are, again, primarily composed wof water with thier bare hands. Kinda like an adventure excursion to wrestle the killer acid slugs of venus would be too us.

    @Jose: wrong letter, your thinking Q

    RE: The sirius origin thing – If knowing something is possible is the first step to solving it then the appearance of 50 huge interstellar ships would be a big boost towards the development of our own interstellar capacity, which would give them a serious reason to mislead us. I’d search for a compltely different type of star in the other direction. Also another good reason to wipe out the scientists who might reverse engineer it

  54. Philip from Australia

    @Cairnos – Only they went after the ones that would reveal their true nature. But I suppose that the ones that could reverse engineer the ships would be next (after world leaders). But good point… say you came from somewhere else just in case we, say, sent a signal (like at the end of the 1st mini series). That would make that ending a waste of time.

    But then again, I suppose the 5th column members of the Visitors could set the rebels straight on that matter. I don’t think they ever said that they were from Sirius ever again in either. Just at the 1st meeting. And I’m not sure we can trust ANYthing they said there. (Like most of the ship is to support the gravity drive, whereas it was to store the food and water).

  55. José

    @segnosaur & Cairnos
    Ah, it was Q. Thanks. And I can’t recommend the film highly enough if your an 8 year old boy at a slumber party who’s never seen breasts before. If that’s not you, I’d probably avoid it.

  56. José

    @Sion
    Perhaps even sillier were the aliens in ‘Signs’ who, despite being killed by a glass of water thrown at them, come to a planet 70% covered in water, where it rains a lot of the time!

    And don’t forget how incredibly strong they were, unless they were trying to break down a flimsy closet door. And I also remember near the beginning of men in black, they’re chasing an alien who is running over buildings like they were lincoln logs… and then the alien commits suicide by jumping off a building.

  57. Winter Solstice Man

    Well, just because that alien in MiB could climb up buildings with ease did not also mean he would survive an impact with the pavement after a long vertical drop.

    Speaking of V, unless they can do something different and original with the concept – and they won’t – the series should not come back.

    How about a series on non-human aliens who are not out to get us, or even give a flying fig about humans and Earth for that matter? That’s probably the real case anyway, but it doesn’t sell advertising time, does it?

  58. Phil O.

    I dug “Q”. I just saw a few years ago, and no, I am not 8. Looks like a cheapo horror/monster movie, and it is, but there is something else there…

  59. nomuse

    Way back when I had time to run a game, I presented the V scenario with some vague attempts at making it make more sense. My Visitors were actually two races; the actual lizards, and human servants (captured long ago). The Visitor-Humans were chosen as the public face, and given surgery and minor technological enhancements (the voice) and some scripted behavior to make them into a sort of Star Trek alien; alien enough to be believably “from somewhere else” but humanoid enough not to be off-putting. So they owned right up to the lizard-like aspects, showed off their funny eyes, and so on (they also did some other misleading stuff, like pretending planetary conditions that would let people think they came from Sirius).

    The rest of the routine was just as much a gag. They weren’t stealing water; they were openly refining Heavy Water from Lake Michigan (the “chemical plant” that figured so heavily in the original series), and as well teaching hydrogen technology, fuel cells et all, to the humans. Which was also an end run; the Visitors actually didn’t have practical small fusion engines, and the fuel cells they were helping the humans with were actually the height of their own technology. The spaceships, of course, were largely hollow props.

    In the intent beyond the intent, though, the Visitors were neither invading nor stealing water or foraging. Instead, they’d annoyed a vastly more rapacious race that was on its way now; what they were trying to do is kick Earth into at least marginally competent fighters for an interstellar war that was going to involve Earth whether the Visitors visited or not.

    The danger with trying to make something like V make sense, though, is that you really can’t. Once you start into trying to make logical explanations, all you really do is make the deeper questions more obvious. Better to say nothing and get on with the story.

  60. StevoR

    Sirius would be uninbhabitable for a number of reasons – its a close~ish binary of an A1 star (fairly short-lived) and the white dwarf remnants of what used to be a B3 star. (Very short-lived – near the limit of stars that go BOOM! Supernova!)

    Originally the bright B3 star’s powerful radiation & stellar winds most likely swept aside any rubble in the proto-Siran proto-planetary disks that could’ve potentially made planets given enough time.

    Not only that but the B3 star (Sirius B now nicknamed the Pup to Sirius A’s dogstar!) then became a red giant – perhaps even supergiant star and irradiated the already implausible hypothetical worlds even worse.

    I did see ‘V’ years ago. I thought it was very dumb then – & my opinion hasn’t changed now. The sex bit oddly I don’t recall. But wish I did! ;-)

    As for “well they came from somewhere else & just lied about their home” idea – yegods! If so, they sure could’ve picked a less suspiciously silly star to claim homeworld from y’know! ;-)

  61. Peter Faden

    I like the show despite the many flaws regarding the science and efficiency of the alien takeover. I’ve always thought an interesting element of the show is the way the writer(s) incorporate many longstanding conspiracy theories within the fold of the storyline, from the “reptilian agenda” to flu shot tampering, among others. While humanity is not an inherently trusting entity, we do extend our “faith” in something better farther than we probably should. The health centers in the new series kind of remind me of McDonalds. You might not be certain that the burger you’re eating is actually beef (or potentially any other known substance), but you’re hungry and cant afford (or dont have time) to look the gift horse in the mouth. The storyline presumes (correctly in my opinion) that people will overlook their distrust for immediate satisfaction or need. It would’ve been cool if they’d brought the “Beastmaster” back for at least a limited role in the remake.

  62. Judge Rheingold

    Sirius was a POOR CHOICE to say the least. Unless the Visitors were “from Sirius” the same way in Star Trek humans are “from Deneva” or in ALIEN the xenomorphs are “from LV-426″.

    Get my drift?

    As others said, the wide abundance of H2O in the heavens had been known for decades when V first aired in May of 1983.

    Recent extrasolar planet discoveries suggest the probable existence of ocean planets. IE: Gliese 581-c, or is it d?, may be a landless water world covered in oceans HUNDREDS of miles deep.

    And using humans & other Earth life as food is weak. Forget the protein thing. Surely such aliens have cloning technology to mass replicate their food organisms of choice.

    nuV isn’t bad. Its more mature than 80′s V. Virtually no juvenility. Is juvenility even a word? But you know what I mean.

    Actually, it’d be more shocking had the Visitors BEEN virtual humans & NOT homo xenoreptilus. Make them alien humans, & leave everything else the same. That’d make eating Earth humans much more grotesque & sinister. Be like Trek humans harvesting Vulcans for food.

    I like Larry Niven’s take on V, but it has the same problems as that ST:Voyager episode “Distant Origin”.

    Speaking of Sirius, have Nommos shown up in anyone’s swimming pools this summer?

  63. Well, just because that alien in MiB could climb up buildings with ease did not also mean he would survive an impact with the pavement after a long vertical drop.

    Speaking of V, unless they can do something different and original with the concept – and they won’t – the series should not come back.

    How about a series on non-human aliens who are not out to get us, or even give a flying fig about humans and Earth for that matter? That’s probably the real case anyway, but it doesn’t sell advertising time, does it?

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