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	<title>Comments on: V, part II</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: StevoR</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/27/v-part-ii/comment-page-2/#comment-154593</link>
		<dc:creator>StevoR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 14:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sirius would be uninbhabitable for a number of reasons - its a close~ish binary of an A1 star (fairly short-lived) and the white dwarf remnants of what used to be a B3 star. (Very short-lived - near the limit of stars that go BOOM! Supernova!) 

Originally the bright B3 star&#039;s powerful radiation &amp; stellar winds most likely swept aside any rubble in the proto-Siran proto-planetary disks that could&#039;ve potentially made planets given enough time.

Not only that but the B3 star (Sirius B now nicknamed the Pup to Sirius A&#039;s dogstar!) then became a red giant - perhaps even supergiant star and irradiated the already implausible hypothetical worlds even worse.

I did see &#039;V&#039; years ago. I thought it was very dumb then - &amp; my opinion hasn&#039;t changed now. The sex bit oddly I don&#039;t recall. But wish I did! ;-)

As for &lt;i&gt;&quot;well they came from somewhere else &amp; just lied about their home&quot; &lt;/i&gt; idea - yegods! If so, they sure could&#039;ve picked a less suspiciously silly star to claim homeworld from y&#039;know! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sirius would be uninbhabitable for a number of reasons &#8211; its a close~ish binary of an A1 star (fairly short-lived) and the white dwarf remnants of what used to be a B3 star. (Very short-lived &#8211; near the limit of stars that go BOOM! Supernova!) </p>
<p>Originally the bright B3 star&#8217;s powerful radiation &#038; stellar winds most likely swept aside any rubble in the proto-Siran proto-planetary disks that could&#8217;ve potentially made planets given enough time.</p>
<p>Not only that but the B3 star (Sirius B now nicknamed the Pup to Sirius A&#8217;s dogstar!) then became a red giant &#8211; perhaps even supergiant star and irradiated the already implausible hypothetical worlds even worse.</p>
<p>I did see &#8216;V&#8217; years ago. I thought it was very dumb then &#8211; &#038; my opinion hasn&#8217;t changed now. The sex bit oddly I don&#8217;t recall. But wish I did! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As for <i>&#8220;well they came from somewhere else &#038; just lied about their home&#8221; </i> idea &#8211; yegods! If so, they sure could&#8217;ve picked a less suspiciously silly star to claim homeworld from y&#8217;know! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: A V Remake no kidding ABC is seriously thinking about this one &#171; Alternating Reality Bookstore</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/27/v-part-ii/comment-page-2/#comment-153267</link>
		<dc:creator>A V Remake no kidding ABC is seriously thinking about this one &#171; Alternating Reality Bookstore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nomuse</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/27/v-part-ii/comment-page-2/#comment-152919</link>
		<dc:creator>nomuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 23:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way back when I had time to run a game, I presented the V scenario with some vague attempts at making it make more sense.  My Visitors were actually two races; the actual lizards, and human servants (captured long ago).  The Visitor-Humans were chosen as the public face, and given surgery and minor technological enhancements (the voice) and some scripted behavior to make them into a sort of Star Trek alien; alien enough to be believably &quot;from somewhere else&quot; but humanoid enough not to be off-putting.  So they owned right up to the lizard-like aspects, showed off their funny eyes, and so on (they also did some other misleading stuff, like pretending planetary conditions that would let people think they came from Sirius).

The rest of the routine was just as much a gag.  They weren&#039;t stealing water; they were openly refining Heavy Water from Lake Michigan (the &quot;chemical plant&quot; that figured so heavily in the original series), and as well teaching hydrogen technology, fuel cells et all, to the humans.  Which was also an end run; the Visitors actually didn&#039;t have practical small fusion engines, and the fuel cells they were helping the humans with were actually the height of their own technology.  The spaceships, of course, were largely hollow props.

In the intent beyond the intent, though, the Visitors were neither invading nor stealing water or foraging.  Instead, they&#039;d annoyed a vastly more rapacious race that was on its way now; what they were trying to do is kick Earth into at least marginally competent fighters for an interstellar war that was going to involve Earth whether the Visitors visited or not.

The danger with trying to make something like V make sense, though, is that you really can&#039;t.  Once you start into trying to make logical explanations, all you really do is make the deeper questions more obvious.  Better to say nothing and get on with the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way back when I had time to run a game, I presented the V scenario with some vague attempts at making it make more sense.  My Visitors were actually two races; the actual lizards, and human servants (captured long ago).  The Visitor-Humans were chosen as the public face, and given surgery and minor technological enhancements (the voice) and some scripted behavior to make them into a sort of Star Trek alien; alien enough to be believably &#8220;from somewhere else&#8221; but humanoid enough not to be off-putting.  So they owned right up to the lizard-like aspects, showed off their funny eyes, and so on (they also did some other misleading stuff, like pretending planetary conditions that would let people think they came from Sirius).</p>
<p>The rest of the routine was just as much a gag.  They weren&#8217;t stealing water; they were openly refining Heavy Water from Lake Michigan (the &#8220;chemical plant&#8221; that figured so heavily in the original series), and as well teaching hydrogen technology, fuel cells et all, to the humans.  Which was also an end run; the Visitors actually didn&#8217;t have practical small fusion engines, and the fuel cells they were helping the humans with were actually the height of their own technology.  The spaceships, of course, were largely hollow props.</p>
<p>In the intent beyond the intent, though, the Visitors were neither invading nor stealing water or foraging.  Instead, they&#8217;d annoyed a vastly more rapacious race that was on its way now; what they were trying to do is kick Earth into at least marginally competent fighters for an interstellar war that was going to involve Earth whether the Visitors visited or not.</p>
<p>The danger with trying to make something like V make sense, though, is that you really can&#8217;t.  Once you start into trying to make logical explanations, all you really do is make the deeper questions more obvious.  Better to say nothing and get on with the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil O.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dug &quot;Q&quot;. I just saw a few years ago, and no, I am not 8. Looks like a cheapo horror/monster movie, and it is, but there is something else there...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dug &#8220;Q&#8221;. I just saw a few years ago, and no, I am not 8. Looks like a cheapo horror/monster movie, and it is, but there is something else there&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Winter Solstice Man</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/27/v-part-ii/comment-page-2/#comment-152464</link>
		<dc:creator>Winter Solstice Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, just because that alien in MiB could climb up buildings with ease did not also mean he would survive an impact with the pavement after a long vertical drop.

Speaking of V, unless they can do something different and original with the concept - and they won&#039;t - the series should not come back.

How about a series on non-human aliens who are not out to get us, or even give a flying fig about humans and Earth for that matter?  That&#039;s probably the real case anyway, but it doesn&#039;t sell advertising time, does it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, just because that alien in MiB could climb up buildings with ease did not also mean he would survive an impact with the pavement after a long vertical drop.</p>
<p>Speaking of V, unless they can do something different and original with the concept &#8211; and they won&#8217;t &#8211; the series should not come back.</p>
<p>How about a series on non-human aliens who are not out to get us, or even give a flying fig about humans and Earth for that matter?  That&#8217;s probably the real case anyway, but it doesn&#8217;t sell advertising time, does it?</p>
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		<title>By: José</title>
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		<dc:creator>José</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sion
&lt;i&gt;Perhaps even sillier were the aliens in ‘Signs’ who, despite being killed by a glass of water thrown at them, come to a planet 70% covered in water, where it rains a lot of the time!&lt;/i&gt;

And don&#039;t forget how incredibly strong they were, unless they were trying to break down a flimsy closet door.  And I also remember near the beginning of &lt;i&gt;men in black&lt;/i&gt;, they&#039;re chasing an alien who is running over buildings like they were lincoln logs...  and then the alien commits suicide by jumping off a building.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sion<br />
<i>Perhaps even sillier were the aliens in ‘Signs’ who, despite being killed by a glass of water thrown at them, come to a planet 70% covered in water, where it rains a lot of the time!</i></p>
<p>And don&#8217;t forget how incredibly strong they were, unless they were trying to break down a flimsy closet door.  And I also remember near the beginning of <i>men in black</i>, they&#8217;re chasing an alien who is running over buildings like they were lincoln logs&#8230;  and then the alien commits suicide by jumping off a building.</p>
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		<title>By: José</title>
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		<dc:creator>José</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@segnosaur &amp; Cairnos 
Ah, it was Q.  Thanks.  And I can&#039;t recommend the film highly enough if your an 8 year old boy at a slumber party who&#039;s never seen breasts before.  If that&#039;s not you, I&#039;d probably avoid it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@segnosaur &#038; Cairnos<br />
Ah, it was Q.  Thanks.  And I can&#8217;t recommend the film highly enough if your an 8 year old boy at a slumber party who&#8217;s never seen breasts before.  If that&#8217;s not you, I&#8217;d probably avoid it.</p>
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