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	<title>Comments on: UK in trouble? Measles, antivax garbage on the rise</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: England&#8217;s Problem with Reality</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/02/06/uk-in-trouble-measles-antivax-garbage-on-the-rise/comment-page-3/#comment-186070</link>
		<dc:creator>England&#8217;s Problem with Reality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 19:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] an Anti-Vaccination campaign, which is irresponsible and totally without scientific merit. Read Phil Plait&#8217;s article on the antivax controversy in the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Slamming UK antiscience &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/02/06/uk-in-trouble-measles-antivax-garbage-on-the-rise/comment-page-3/#comment-162808</link>
		<dc:creator>Slamming UK antiscience &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in some hot water right now. As I mentioned in February, a &quot;journalist&quot; named Jeni Barnett, who went on the radio and basically spewed dangerous [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John Bennetts</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Bennetts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK,anybody who has read this far is clearly both interested and prepared to read a bit further.

I am an Australian, so I tend to come into contact with Australian sites.  This might be reassuring to some of you, because these sites lack local bias if you happen to live elsewhere.

Sydney University is the largest and oldest university in Australia.

Check out the fact sheets on available from the follong site to emsure that your information is both current and respected.

http://www.ncirs.usyd.edu.au/facts/f-fact_sheets.html

Further, as a memebr of a Rotary club, I am proud to have been associated with the Polio Plus campaign which has virtually eradicated polio from all but 5 or 6 countries worldwide.  This is no esay feat. Rotary may have started this program, but WHO and many public and private benefactors have come on board and together an enormous amount of good work has been achieved.

The remaining countries, which are thus potential reservoirs of wild poliomylitus waiting to affect the other 5 billion or so of us are mainly war zones.  I am only 60, but one of my best friends had polio as a child and to this day considers himself lucky that he only lost the use of one leg through this disease.

Today, none of your children are exposed to this most unpleasant disease.  This is entirely due to vaccination.

Please keep an enquiring mind and be skeptical, but be prepared to research and to question.

The world would indeed be a much better place were it not for eradicable diseases.

We could then focus more big guns on the real killer of the future - Malaria.  With global warming, the toll from this disease is likely to double from the present 1,200,000 per annum.  It is not a nice way to go and it affects a disproportionately high percentage of mothers and children.

BTW, I have zero patience for diptards who own computers yet fail to use the search engines provided by Google and resources such as Wickipedia.  If you haven&#039;t taken the time and care to read up on your subject, please do not preach to me - it only displays your sloth and ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK,anybody who has read this far is clearly both interested and prepared to read a bit further.</p>
<p>I am an Australian, so I tend to come into contact with Australian sites.  This might be reassuring to some of you, because these sites lack local bias if you happen to live elsewhere.</p>
<p>Sydney University is the largest and oldest university in Australia.</p>
<p>Check out the fact sheets on available from the follong site to emsure that your information is both current and respected.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncirs.usyd.edu.au/facts/f-fact_sheets.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncirs.usyd.edu.au/facts/f-fact_sheets.html</a></p>
<p>Further, as a memebr of a Rotary club, I am proud to have been associated with the Polio Plus campaign which has virtually eradicated polio from all but 5 or 6 countries worldwide.  This is no esay feat. Rotary may have started this program, but WHO and many public and private benefactors have come on board and together an enormous amount of good work has been achieved.</p>
<p>The remaining countries, which are thus potential reservoirs of wild poliomylitus waiting to affect the other 5 billion or so of us are mainly war zones.  I am only 60, but one of my best friends had polio as a child and to this day considers himself lucky that he only lost the use of one leg through this disease.</p>
<p>Today, none of your children are exposed to this most unpleasant disease.  This is entirely due to vaccination.</p>
<p>Please keep an enquiring mind and be skeptical, but be prepared to research and to question.</p>
<p>The world would indeed be a much better place were it not for eradicable diseases.</p>
<p>We could then focus more big guns on the real killer of the future &#8211; Malaria.  With global warming, the toll from this disease is likely to double from the present 1,200,000 per annum.  It is not a nice way to go and it affects a disproportionately high percentage of mothers and children.</p>
<p>BTW, I have zero patience for diptards who own computers yet fail to use the search engines provided by Google and resources such as Wickipedia.  If you haven&#8217;t taken the time and care to read up on your subject, please do not preach to me &#8211; it only displays your sloth and ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: Measles on the rise in Australia and Switzerland, too &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/02/06/uk-in-trouble-measles-antivax-garbage-on-the-rise/comment-page-3/#comment-155629</link>
		<dc:creator>Measles on the rise in Australia and Switzerland, too &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 00:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] week. In 2008, a child in Minnesota died due to a disease that was preventable through a vaccine. Measles is on the rise in the UK. And some people are all too happy to spread the lie that the vaccines are causing all sorts of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] week. In 2008, a child in Minnesota died due to a disease that was preventable through a vaccine. Measles is on the rise in the UK. And some people are all too happy to spread the lie that the vaccines are causing all sorts of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lily</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/02/06/uk-in-trouble-measles-antivax-garbage-on-the-rise/comment-page-3/#comment-155344</link>
		<dc:creator>Lily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 03:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Retrogarde-&quot;In Holland a former super proponent of creationism and ID, the locally very popular evangelic talk show host Andries Knevel, made his sincere apologies on prime time TV for misleading viewers and his children in the past.&quot;

How did this happen? We in the US are overrun with these crazies, and are in desperate need of a treatment for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Retrogarde-&#8221;In Holland a former super proponent of creationism and ID, the locally very popular evangelic talk show host Andries Knevel, made his sincere apologies on prime time TV for misleading viewers and his children in the past.&#8221;</p>
<p>How did this happen? We in the US are overrun with these crazies, and are in desperate need of a treatment for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Deemer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deemer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just the UK, US, Australia...(story from World Radio Switzerland)

Health board investigating 4 doctors after measles outbreak

Four doctors in the canton of Vaud are being investigated after claims they failed to report measles cases they knew about. The allegation’s going to be looked at by the canton’s health board, which comprises of doctors and lawyers. It can decide on sanctions if the doctors failed in their duty to alert authorities. The measles epidemic is continuing in Vaud, with more than 40 cases now confirmed at 10 schools. All but four of the ill children have connections to the Steiner school, in Crissier. A 12 year-old girl, who lived near Geneva, recently died from the disease.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just the UK, US, Australia&#8230;(story from World Radio Switzerland)</p>
<p>Health board investigating 4 doctors after measles outbreak</p>
<p>Four doctors in the canton of Vaud are being investigated after claims they failed to report measles cases they knew about. The allegation’s going to be looked at by the canton’s health board, which comprises of doctors and lawyers. It can decide on sanctions if the doctors failed in their duty to alert authorities. The measles epidemic is continuing in Vaud, with more than 40 cases now confirmed at 10 schools. All but four of the ill children have connections to the Steiner school, in Crissier. A 12 year-old girl, who lived near Geneva, recently died from the disease.</p>
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		<title>By: rp</title>
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		<dc:creator>rp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone up at the top of this thread mentioned that recognition of some forms of autism hapens to correlate in timing with the administering of the MMR vacination, at 18 months.  Cause and effect is infered becasue of the timing of the vacine.  I wonder if there&#039;s any substantial increase in risk by putting off MMR to 24 months.   

I also wonder if we have any statistics of autisum in unvacintated children?

I&#039;m of an age that I had been vacinated against smallpox.  The scar from this is still visible over 50 years later.  You could clearly see this scar on the sholders of all my friends growing up.  Today they do not routinely give this vacination (and have not in teh US since 1972) because smallpox has been &quot;effectively&quot; eliminated and the risk of the vacination is now greater than the risk of actually getting the desease.  If polio is &quot;extinct&quot; then theres no sense in doing the vacination, no matter how low the complications were, and they were not that low.  

If Pharm companies were profit only, wouldn&#039;t we still be vacinating against smallpox?  

rp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone up at the top of this thread mentioned that recognition of some forms of autism hapens to correlate in timing with the administering of the MMR vacination, at 18 months.  Cause and effect is infered becasue of the timing of the vacine.  I wonder if there&#8217;s any substantial increase in risk by putting off MMR to 24 months.   </p>
<p>I also wonder if we have any statistics of autisum in unvacintated children?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m of an age that I had been vacinated against smallpox.  The scar from this is still visible over 50 years later.  You could clearly see this scar on the sholders of all my friends growing up.  Today they do not routinely give this vacination (and have not in teh US since 1972) because smallpox has been &#8220;effectively&#8221; eliminated and the risk of the vacination is now greater than the risk of actually getting the desease.  If polio is &#8220;extinct&#8221; then theres no sense in doing the vacination, no matter how low the complications were, and they were not that low.  </p>
<p>If Pharm companies were profit only, wouldn&#8217;t we still be vacinating against smallpox?  </p>
<p>rp</p>
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