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	<title>Comments on: Provax in Canada! Yay!</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Takuan Daikon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/02/09/provax-in-canada-yay/comment-page-1/#comment-155517</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan Daikon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a new article today on WebMD about how a vaccine court rejects claims of vaccines causing autism: http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/news/20090212/vaccine-court-rejects-autism-claims

Here&#039;s the article, quoted for convenience

Feb. 12, 2009 -- The federal &quot;vaccine court&quot; has rejected claims that either the measles/mumps/rubella vaccine or thimerosal in vaccines caused children&#039;s autism.

The vaccine court -- shorthand for the Office of Special Masters of the U.S. Court of Federal Claims -- administers a system that since 1988 has overseen all claims for compensation due to injury from vaccinations.

Today&#039;s ruling is a major setback for the more than 5,000 cases in which families claim that the MMR vaccine, either alone or due to the mercury-based thimerosal preservative in the vaccine, caused a child&#039;s autism.

Lawyers for the families and Department of Health and Human Services (the defendant in the suit) agreed to argue three test cases. In these cases, the vaccine court agreed to decide whether there was sufficient evidence to blame vaccines for autism -- and whether to pay damages to the families.

The decision, in all three cases, is no. The court formally rejected arguments that either the MMR vaccine or thimerosal caused the children&#039;s autism.

Although huge amounts of scientific evidence were heard in the case, the vaccine court&#039;s decision is a legal ruling and not scientific proof.

Last March, federal officials said that a Georgia girl, Hannah Poling, was entitled to compensation from a federal vaccine injury fund because she developed autism-like symptoms after receiving childhood vaccines in 2000.

WebMD will be updating this story throughout the day as more information becomes available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a new article today on WebMD about how a vaccine court rejects claims of vaccines causing autism: <a href="http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/news/20090212/vaccine-court-rejects-autism-claims" rel="nofollow">http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/news/20090212/vaccine-court-rejects-autism-claims</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the article, quoted for convenience</p>
<p>Feb. 12, 2009 &#8212; The federal &#8220;vaccine court&#8221; has rejected claims that either the measles/mumps/rubella vaccine or thimerosal in vaccines caused children&#8217;s autism.</p>
<p>The vaccine court &#8212; shorthand for the Office of Special Masters of the U.S. Court of Federal Claims &#8212; administers a system that since 1988 has overseen all claims for compensation due to injury from vaccinations.</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s ruling is a major setback for the more than 5,000 cases in which families claim that the MMR vaccine, either alone or due to the mercury-based thimerosal preservative in the vaccine, caused a child&#8217;s autism.</p>
<p>Lawyers for the families and Department of Health and Human Services (the defendant in the suit) agreed to argue three test cases. In these cases, the vaccine court agreed to decide whether there was sufficient evidence to blame vaccines for autism &#8212; and whether to pay damages to the families.</p>
<p>The decision, in all three cases, is no. The court formally rejected arguments that either the MMR vaccine or thimerosal caused the children&#8217;s autism.</p>
<p>Although huge amounts of scientific evidence were heard in the case, the vaccine court&#8217;s decision is a legal ruling and not scientific proof.</p>
<p>Last March, federal officials said that a Georgia girl, Hannah Poling, was entitled to compensation from a federal vaccine injury fund because she developed autism-like symptoms after receiving childhood vaccines in 2000.</p>
<p>WebMD will be updating this story throughout the day as more information becomes available.</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/02/09/provax-in-canada-yay/comment-page-1/#comment-155494</link>
		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heres the CNN link - 

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/02/11/autism.vaccines/index.html?eref=rss_topstories</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heres the CNN link &#8211; </p>
<p><a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/02/11/autism.vaccines/index.html?eref=rss_topstories" rel="nofollow">http://edition.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/02/11/autism.vaccines/index.html?eref=rss_topstories</a></p>
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		<title>By: Todd W.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/02/09/provax-in-canada-yay/comment-page-1/#comment-155483</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Cheyenne

Thanks for sharing!  This is big, big news.  Now if only the Omnibus Autism Proceeding website were updated.  Last update was in September, it appears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Cheyenne</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing!  This is big, big news.  Now if only the Omnibus Autism Proceeding website were updated.  Last update was in September, it appears.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheyenne</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/02/09/provax-in-canada-yay/comment-page-1/#comment-155482</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheyenne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;U.S. vaccine court denies family&#039;s autism case&quot;
Name has link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;U.S. vaccine court denies family&#8217;s autism case&#8221;<br />
Name has link.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/02/09/provax-in-canada-yay/comment-page-1/#comment-155281</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeezzz....Just saw this:

http://www.yahoo.com/s/1029067</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeezzz&#8230;.Just saw this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.yahoo.com/s/1029067" rel="nofollow">http://www.yahoo.com/s/1029067</a></p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/02/09/provax-in-canada-yay/comment-page-1/#comment-155267</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James -- a fair question which I will answer with some clarification. It&#039;s been my experience that anti-vaxers are generally quite vocal about their beliefs so it&#039;s generally not difficult to call them out.

I see your point about finding &quot;patient zero&quot; but really, it wouldn&#039;t be that hard. The kids at school have a pretty good grasp about what goes on around them; they would be able to tell you.

Might I suggest you contact your school district and have them institute a communication strategy for things like lice nits? In our schools the kids get a generic letter to take home which states that &quot;nits have been found in your child&#039;s classroom&quot; and they go on to give suggestions on how to rid your child of the pest or prevent the possibility of being exposed to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James &#8212; a fair question which I will answer with some clarification. It&#8217;s been my experience that anti-vaxers are generally quite vocal about their beliefs so it&#8217;s generally not difficult to call them out.</p>
<p>I see your point about finding &#8220;patient zero&#8221; but really, it wouldn&#8217;t be that hard. The kids at school have a pretty good grasp about what goes on around them; they would be able to tell you.</p>
<p>Might I suggest you contact your school district and have them institute a communication strategy for things like lice nits? In our schools the kids get a generic letter to take home which states that &#8220;nits have been found in your child&#8217;s classroom&#8221; and they go on to give suggestions on how to rid your child of the pest or prevent the possibility of being exposed to them.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/02/09/provax-in-canada-yay/comment-page-1/#comment-155222</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig Says: 
February 10th, 2009 at 9:33 am 
That said, all three of my brood were vaccinated and I would openly criticize anyone who felt the risks outweighed the benefits.

--But how would you know?

My nephew keeps being re-infected with nits because his school refuses to inform parents that there has been an outbreak (on the basis of right-to-privacy) and so there is always some &#039;nit typhoid mary&#039; reinfecting the whole school.

If you can&#039;t localise patient zero in these cases....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig Says:<br />
February 10th, 2009 at 9:33 am<br />
That said, all three of my brood were vaccinated and I would openly criticize anyone who felt the risks outweighed the benefits.</p>
<p>&#8211;But how would you know?</p>
<p>My nephew keeps being re-infected with nits because his school refuses to inform parents that there has been an outbreak (on the basis of right-to-privacy) and so there is always some &#8216;nit typhoid mary&#8217; reinfecting the whole school.</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t localise patient zero in these cases&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mena</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/02/09/provax-in-canada-yay/comment-page-1/#comment-155189</link>
		<dc:creator>Mena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 03:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kind of a related video, guess who was Keith Olbermann&#039;s &quot;Worst Person in the World&quot; today!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#29128976</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kind of a related video, guess who was Keith Olbermann&#8217;s &#8220;Worst Person in the World&#8221; today!<br />
<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#29128976" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#29128976</a></p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/02/09/provax-in-canada-yay/comment-page-1/#comment-155066</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sit corrected - after checking out the Gov&#039;t of BC web site I can find no policy that exists that makes vaccinations mandatory in order to be allowed to enrol in school.

That said, all three of my brood were vaccinated and I would openly criticize anyone who felt the risks outweighed the benefits.

Vaccinations FTW!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sit corrected &#8211; after checking out the Gov&#8217;t of BC web site I can find no policy that exists that makes vaccinations mandatory in order to be allowed to enrol in school.</p>
<p>That said, all three of my brood were vaccinated and I would openly criticize anyone who felt the risks outweighed the benefits.</p>
<p>Vaccinations FTW!</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Ansorge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/02/09/provax-in-canada-yay/comment-page-1/#comment-155061</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Ansorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it &quot;funny&quot; how the average human life span keeps increasing, while we&#039;re all swimming in a sea of EM radiation? I note that world background  nuclear radiation levels increased by a factor of about ten during our nuc. bomb tests in the &#039;40s, &#039;50s and &#039;60s, yet our average life spans continued increasing. 

The point is, life is a great deal more tenacious than most people credit. It had to develop resistance to all manner of environmental insult, including nuclear radiation, since early levels(3 plus billion years ago) were substantially higher in those long ago days(due to the greater prevalence of un-decayed radio-active elements).

There are only 27 diseases that are currently vaccine preventable. Some of those are specific to tropical environments, so they are probably not necessary for those of us in the US. That leaves us with about 20 against which we should all be vaccinated.

People in general are very un-informed and intellectually lazy. If it can&#039;t be explained in a 30 second sound bite,,,well, you get the picture. 

The &#039;Net can effectively increase intelligence for those who know how to think critically. For those not so trained, it just leads one down the primrose path to complete woo-woo. 
AH, the vagaries of the two-edged sword,,,

GAry 7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it &#8220;funny&#8221; how the average human life span keeps increasing, while we&#8217;re all swimming in a sea of EM radiation? I note that world background  nuclear radiation levels increased by a factor of about ten during our nuc. bomb tests in the &#8217;40s, &#8217;50s and &#8217;60s, yet our average life spans continued increasing. </p>
<p>The point is, life is a great deal more tenacious than most people credit. It had to develop resistance to all manner of environmental insult, including nuclear radiation, since early levels(3 plus billion years ago) were substantially higher in those long ago days(due to the greater prevalence of un-decayed radio-active elements).</p>
<p>There are only 27 diseases that are currently vaccine preventable. Some of those are specific to tropical environments, so they are probably not necessary for those of us in the US. That leaves us with about 20 against which we should all be vaccinated.</p>
<p>People in general are very un-informed and intellectually lazy. If it can&#8217;t be explained in a 30 second sound bite,,,well, you get the picture. </p>
<p>The &#8216;Net can effectively increase intelligence for those who know how to think critically. For those not so trained, it just leads one down the primrose path to complete woo-woo.<br />
AH, the vagaries of the two-edged sword,,,</p>
<p>GAry 7</p>
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		<title>By: JoeSmithCA</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/02/09/provax-in-canada-yay/comment-page-1/#comment-155056</link>
		<dc:creator>JoeSmithCA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gary
You know the Anti-vaccine group will attack that because of the usage of radiation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gary<br />
You know the Anti-vaccine group will attack that because of the usage of radiation.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Ansorge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/02/09/provax-in-canada-yay/comment-page-1/#comment-155037</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Ansorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a side note,we&#039;re finally getting to the point where a possible vaccine against malaria might be made. Too late for me, since I was infected at the age of five but for those 2.5 million deaths/year, there is now some hope.

From the CDC:

Advances towards protective vaccines against malaria were made feasible by the development of a rodent model of mammalian malaria that allowed production of all stages of the malaria parasite for study. Investigations with sporozoites (the stage transmitted by mosquitoes in their saliva) demonstrated that immunization with radiation-attenuated sporozoites could produce a solid, sterile immunity,,,

GAry 7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a side note,we&#8217;re finally getting to the point where a possible vaccine against malaria might be made. Too late for me, since I was infected at the age of five but for those 2.5 million deaths/year, there is now some hope.</p>
<p>From the CDC:</p>
<p>Advances towards protective vaccines against malaria were made feasible by the development of a rodent model of mammalian malaria that allowed production of all stages of the malaria parasite for study. Investigations with sporozoites (the stage transmitted by mosquitoes in their saliva) demonstrated that immunization with radiation-attenuated sporozoites could produce a solid, sterile immunity,,,</p>
<p>GAry 7</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Ansorge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/02/09/provax-in-canada-yay/comment-page-1/#comment-155030</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Ansorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Phil: Twice I&#039;ve tried to post a list of vaccines and twice it just disappeared. Is there a bug in the Hive mind?

GAry 7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Phil: Twice I&#8217;ve tried to post a list of vaccines and twice it just disappeared. Is there a bug in the Hive mind?</p>
<p>GAry 7</p>
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		<title>By: Nunavuter</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/02/09/provax-in-canada-yay/comment-page-1/#comment-155029</link>
		<dc:creator>Nunavuter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[I]Unlike some countries, immunization is not mandatory in Canada; it cannot be made mandatory because of the Canadian Constitution[/I]

To clarify, this means that the feds can&#039;t impose it nationwide. Public Health is a provincial responsibility. 

I am however surprised that only three of the 10 provinces have legislation on this matter. 

(For more than six years I&#039;ve been following the exploits of the Bad Astronomer, and this is my first comment. Thanks for the heads up, Dr. Plait. I live in Toronto but I don&#039;t watch much TV any more.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[I]Unlike some countries, immunization is not mandatory in Canada; it cannot be made mandatory because of the Canadian Constitution[/I]</p>
<p>To clarify, this means that the feds can&#8217;t impose it nationwide. Public Health is a provincial responsibility. </p>
<p>I am however surprised that only three of the 10 provinces have legislation on this matter. </p>
<p>(For more than six years I&#8217;ve been following the exploits of the Bad Astronomer, and this is my first comment. Thanks for the heads up, Dr. Plait. I live in Toronto but I don&#8217;t watch much TV any more.)</p>
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		<title>By: multipath</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/02/09/provax-in-canada-yay/comment-page-1/#comment-154986</link>
		<dc:creator>multipath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might not believe it, but here in Texas we have an immunization campaign.

http://www.immunizetexas.com/

It&#039;s slogan is, &quot;Vaccines are like hugs, you don&#039;t want to miss one&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might not believe it, but here in Texas we have an immunization campaign.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.immunizetexas.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.immunizetexas.com/</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s slogan is, &#8220;Vaccines are like hugs, you don&#8217;t want to miss one&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: The Supreme Canuck</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/02/09/provax-in-canada-yay/comment-page-1/#comment-154969</link>
		<dc:creator>The Supreme Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 05:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, hey, yeah. The province had a booth set up in the student union here at Queen&#039;s last week. Apparently they had an immunization clinic set up - free - on campus for students. I didn&#039;t get jabbed, though (I had my booster at 16, so I want to ask my family MD whether I need to get stuck again). 

Very proactive. I&#039;m glad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, hey, yeah. The province had a booth set up in the student union here at Queen&#8217;s last week. Apparently they had an immunization clinic set up &#8211; free &#8211; on campus for students. I didn&#8217;t get jabbed, though (I had my booster at 16, so I want to ask my family MD whether I need to get stuck again). </p>
<p>Very proactive. I&#8217;m glad.</p>
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		<title>By: The Chemist</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/02/09/provax-in-canada-yay/comment-page-1/#comment-154948</link>
		<dc:creator>The Chemist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 04:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. That commercial almost makes me want to get re-vaccinated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. That commercial almost makes me want to get re-vaccinated.</p>
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		<title>By: JoeSmithCA</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/02/09/provax-in-canada-yay/comment-page-1/#comment-154946</link>
		<dc:creator>JoeSmithCA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 03:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Savino;

The North American continent and most of Europe is current under the effects of a dangerous but unknown disease Plumbeus bardus. Apparently it is spread by those who are familiar or fluent in some form of the English language, access to the internet and a willingness to believe anyone famous. Oddly enough, this disease should have propograted to many other parts of the world. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Savino;</p>
<p>The North American continent and most of Europe is current under the effects of a dangerous but unknown disease Plumbeus bardus. Apparently it is spread by those who are familiar or fluent in some form of the English language, access to the internet and a willingness to believe anyone famous. Oddly enough, this disease should have propograted to many other parts of the world. </p>
<p> <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jason Thibeault</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Thibeault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;They didn’t. It says at the end that it’s an Ontario ad.&lt;/i&gt;

Indeed it did.  And if I was paying more attention earlier today (as my hurried comments probably expose), I might have realized as much.  

I lived in Toronto for about two years, but in all honesty, I didn&#039;t find the area to be more progressive, only more cutthroat.  Being in the computer industry, though, it&#039;s likely there&#039;s a selection bias at work there.  I returned to Nova Scotia after my run in Toronto, where I&#039;m finding the conservative and religious types are more plentiful than I had realized my first go-around (imagine my dismay at finding out the atheist bus ads failed in Halifax), but I&#039;m doing okay for the moment.  The internet is my safe haven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>They didn’t. It says at the end that it’s an Ontario ad.</i></p>
<p>Indeed it did.  And if I was paying more attention earlier today (as my hurried comments probably expose), I might have realized as much.  </p>
<p>I lived in Toronto for about two years, but in all honesty, I didn&#8217;t find the area to be more progressive, only more cutthroat.  Being in the computer industry, though, it&#8217;s likely there&#8217;s a selection bias at work there.  I returned to Nova Scotia after my run in Toronto, where I&#8217;m finding the conservative and religious types are more plentiful than I had realized my first go-around (imagine my dismay at finding out the atheist bus ads failed in Halifax), but I&#8217;m doing okay for the moment.  The internet is my safe haven.</p>
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		<title>By: Adele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From 2 comments above.....
&quot;Here in British Columbia you cannot enrol your child into public school if their vaccinations are not current.&quot;
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&quot;I believe that’s true in Ontario as well, unless it’s for religious reasons.&quot;

I am surprised to see this misinformation on this scientific website.....
Direct from the Health Canada website:
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/ccdr-rmtc/97vol23/23s4/23s4b_e.html
1. Immunization in Canada
&quot;Unlike some countries, immunization is not mandatory in Canada; it cannot be made mandatory because of the Canadian Constitution. Only three provinces have legislation or regulations under their health-protection acts to require proof of immunization for school entrance. Ontario and New Brunswick require proof for diphtheria, tetanus, polio, measles, mumps, and rubella immunization. In Manitoba, only measles vaccination is covered. It must be emphasized that, in these three provinces, exceptions are permitted for medical or religious grounds and reasons of conscience; legislation and regulations must not be interpreted to imply compulsory immunization.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From 2 comments above&#8230;..<br />
&#8220;Here in British Columbia you cannot enrol your child into public school if their vaccinations are not current.&#8221;<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
&#8220;I believe that’s true in Ontario as well, unless it’s for religious reasons.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am surprised to see this misinformation on this scientific website&#8230;..<br />
Direct from the Health Canada website:<br />
<a href="http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/ccdr-rmtc/97vol23/23s4/23s4b_e.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/ccdr-rmtc/97vol23/23s4/23s4b_e.html</a><br />
1. Immunization in Canada<br />
&#8220;Unlike some countries, immunization is not mandatory in Canada; it cannot be made mandatory because of the Canadian Constitution. Only three provinces have legislation or regulations under their health-protection acts to require proof of immunization for school entrance. Ontario and New Brunswick require proof for diphtheria, tetanus, polio, measles, mumps, and rubella immunization. In Manitoba, only measles vaccination is covered. It must be emphasized that, in these three provinces, exceptions are permitted for medical or religious grounds and reasons of conscience; legislation and regulations must not be interpreted to imply compulsory immunization.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I passed through a train station today (I think it was the stop before Pennsylvania station in New York) and saw a sign on the platform advertising vaccines as being life saving. Wish I could recall exactly what it said, or exactly where it was, but I remember seeing and thinking &#039;huh, in a train station?&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I passed through a train station today (I think it was the stop before Pennsylvania station in New York) and saw a sign on the platform advertising vaccines as being life saving. Wish I could recall exactly what it said, or exactly where it was, but I remember seeing and thinking &#8216;huh, in a train station?&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Davidlpf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davidlpf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the reason we do not have as much libertarnism here in Canada as in the States, that is probably why we do not have as many anti-vaxxers here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the reason we do not have as much libertarnism here in Canada as in the States, that is probably why we do not have as many anti-vaxxers here.</p>
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		<title>By: Jardine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Here in British Columbia you cannot enrol your child into public school if their vaccinations are not current.&lt;/i&gt;

I believe that&#039;s true in Ontario as well, unless it&#039;s for religious reasons. If everyone is mixed together, then herd immunity protects the unvaccinated. The problem is that the same type of people who won&#039;t vaccinate their kids for religious reasons are the same type who send their kids to school with the kids of like-minded people. There&#039;s a school in Norwich, Ontario where 60% of the kids aren&#039;t vaccinated. They had an outbreak of Rubella (German measles) and the same area had an outbreak of mumps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Here in British Columbia you cannot enrol your child into public school if their vaccinations are not current.</i></p>
<p>I believe that&#8217;s true in Ontario as well, unless it&#8217;s for religious reasons. If everyone is mixed together, then herd immunity protects the unvaccinated. The problem is that the same type of people who won&#8217;t vaccinate their kids for religious reasons are the same type who send their kids to school with the kids of like-minded people. There&#8217;s a school in Norwich, Ontario where 60% of the kids aren&#8217;t vaccinated. They had an outbreak of Rubella (German measles) and the same area had an outbreak of mumps.</p>
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		<title>By: Bradley B</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/02/09/provax-in-canada-yay/comment-page-1/#comment-154900</link>
		<dc:creator>Bradley B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Evidence Supports Previously Held Link Between Vaccines and Autism:  http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/588033?sssdmh=dm1.429361&amp;src=nldne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Evidence Supports Previously Held Link Between Vaccines and Autism:  <a href="http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/588033?sssdmh=dm1.429361&#038;src=nldne" rel="nofollow">http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/588033?sssdmh=dm1.429361&#038;src=nldne</a></p>
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		<title>By: Harold</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/02/09/provax-in-canada-yay/comment-page-1/#comment-154893</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 21:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DavidD, I&#039;m sure any funds for pro-vax ads got lumped together with those other frivolous education and health initiatives and got chopped off.  On the other hand, there&#039;s a chance that someone added a tax cut for people who make ads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DavidD, I&#8217;m sure any funds for pro-vax ads got lumped together with those other frivolous education and health initiatives and got chopped off.  On the other hand, there&#8217;s a chance that someone added a tax cut for people who make ads.</p>
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