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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Faheeeem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faheeeem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you reply on my email, i have some astronomy help questions to ask you..</description>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I asked the Question on Jiba-Jaba...&quot;If an Asteroid was on a collision course with Earth. What would I have to do to be one of the 1 million people hand picked by the Government to be saved?&quot;

http://www.jiba-jaba.com/Asteroid-On-A-Collision-Course-With-Earth.aspx

It makes me think about do I really do enough in my life to actually make a difference...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I asked the Question on Jiba-Jaba&#8230;&#8221;If an Asteroid was on a collision course with Earth. What would I have to do to be one of the 1 million people hand picked by the Government to be saved?&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jiba-jaba.com/Asteroid-On-A-Collision-Course-With-Earth.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.jiba-jaba.com/Asteroid-On-A-Collision-Course-With-Earth.aspx</a></p>
<p>It makes me think about do I really do enough in my life to actually make a difference&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ T_U_T,

Agreed. I never stated &quot;no nukes&quot; ever, just as a last resort.</description>
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<p>Agreed. I never stated &#8220;no nukes&#8221; ever, just as a last resort.</p>
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		<title>By: T_U_T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T_U_T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ivan. Any method of asteroid deflection is good if it can work. 
If you compare them in terms of deltaV, nothing ( except perhaps antimatter catalyzed nuclear drive, or some dusty plasma reactors ) can  be a match for simply kicking the asteroid with a series of small nuclear explosions.
If you have enough time, and need to move a small asteroid only a little, Then you can use other criteria, and, some other method may be the best one.I am all for it, but, I really don&#039;t like the idea that the other criteria would be &#039;just no nukes, PLEEEASE !&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ivan. Any method of asteroid deflection is good if it can work.<br />
If you compare them in terms of deltaV, nothing ( except perhaps antimatter catalyzed nuclear drive, or some dusty plasma reactors ) can  be a match for simply kicking the asteroid with a series of small nuclear explosions.<br />
If you have enough time, and need to move a small asteroid only a little, Then you can use other criteria, and, some other method may be the best one.I am all for it, but, I really don&#8217;t like the idea that the other criteria would be &#8216;just no nukes, PLEEEASE !&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T_U_T:
&lt;blockquote&gt;And, also, we have several thousands nuclear warheads but no working nuclear electric rocket yet.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
According to this document, the Sun could be a source of unlimitled power for a Gravity Tractor:
&lt;p&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aero.org/conferences/planetarydefense/2007papers/S3-5--Wie-Paper.pdf&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;+1&quot; color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Hovering Control of a Solar Sail Gravity Tractor&lt;br/&gt; Spacecraft for Asteroid Deflection&lt;/u&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;+1&quot; color=&quot;red&quot;&gt; [PDF]&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;A solar sail gravity tractor (SSGT) spacecraft is proposed as a viable option for deflecting a certain class of near-Earth asteroids (NEAs) such as highly porous rubble piles rather than solid monolithic bodies. Solar sails are large, lightweight reflectors in space that are pushed by sunlight. The SSGT spacecraft concept is based on the so-called Gravity Tractor (GT) for towing asteroids by using gravity as a towline, which was proposed by Lu and Love in the 10 November 2005 issue of Nature. It exploits the “propellantless” nature of solar sails; consequently, its probable advantage over a GT spacecraft propelled by ion engines is its longer mission life times (&gt; 10 years) with a larger “propellantless” ΔV capability. Furthermore, it has no concern of rocket plume impingement on the asteroid surface. This paper demonstrates the practical hovering control feasibility of an SSGT spacecraft for towing NEAs. For example, a 5-year towing of asteroid Apophis using a 2500-kg SSGT spacecraft (equipped with a modest 90-m, 50-kg solar sail of a 0.03-N solar thrust with a 35-deg sun angle) and an additional 3-year coasting time will result in an orbital deflection of 30 km in 2029. A 30-km deflection is more than sufficient to move Apophis out of its 600-m keyhole.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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&lt;small&gt;&lt;b&gt;Click on the link to download PDF file.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/small&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T_U_T:</p>
<blockquote><p>And, also, we have several thousands nuclear warheads but no working nuclear electric rocket yet.</p></blockquote>
<p>According to this document, the Sun could be a source of unlimitled power for a Gravity Tractor:</p>
<p><center><br /><a href="http://www.aero.org/conferences/planetarydefense/2007papers/S3-5--Wie-Paper.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><font size="+1" color="blue"><b><u>Hovering Control of a Solar Sail Gravity Tractor<br /> Spacecraft for Asteroid Deflection</u><font size="+1" color="red"> [PDF]</font></b></font></a></center></p>
<blockquote><p><b>A solar sail gravity tractor (SSGT) spacecraft is proposed as a viable option for deflecting a certain class of near-Earth asteroids (NEAs) such as highly porous rubble piles rather than solid monolithic bodies. Solar sails are large, lightweight reflectors in space that are pushed by sunlight. The SSGT spacecraft concept is based on the so-called Gravity Tractor (GT) for towing asteroids by using gravity as a towline, which was proposed by Lu and Love in the 10 November 2005 issue of Nature. It exploits the “propellantless” nature of solar sails; consequently, its probable advantage over a GT spacecraft propelled by ion engines is its longer mission life times (> 10 years) with a larger “propellantless” ΔV capability. Furthermore, it has no concern of rocket plume impingement on the asteroid surface. This paper demonstrates the practical hovering control feasibility of an SSGT spacecraft for towing NEAs. For example, a 5-year towing of asteroid Apophis using a 2500-kg SSGT spacecraft (equipped with a modest 90-m, 50-kg solar sail of a 0.03-N solar thrust with a 35-deg sun angle) and an additional 3-year coasting time will result in an orbital deflection of 30 km in 2029. A 30-km deflection is more than sufficient to move Apophis out of its 600-m keyhole.</b></p></blockquote>
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<small><b>Click on the link to download PDF file.</b></small></p>
<p> <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt=':cool:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Greg in Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg in Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T_U_T said,

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;And, also, we have several thousands nuclear warheads but no working nuclear electric rocket yet.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How many of those warheads are attached to rockets or probes that could travel 150 million kilometers or more?

8)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T_U_T said,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;And, also, we have several thousands nuclear warheads but no working nuclear electric rocket yet.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>How many of those warheads are attached to rockets or probes that could travel 150 million kilometers or more?</p>
<p> <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: T_U_T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T_U_T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Actually, that works out at 35,850.86 kilotons;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

comparison. 475 kiloton warhead weights only 270 kg 

&lt;blockquote&gt;proposed gravitational tractor may be — such as a Nuclear Electric Rocket. Even a conventional rocket powered gravitational tractor could be refuelled by robot ‘gas stations’. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

comparison ISP :
 VASIMR 36 000 
nuclear pulse propulsion  &gt; 100 000

And, also, we have several thousands nuclear warheads but no working nuclear electric rocket yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Actually, that works out at 35,850.86 kilotons;</p></blockquote>
<p>comparison. 475 kiloton warhead weights only 270 kg </p>
<blockquote><p>proposed gravitational tractor may be — such as a Nuclear Electric Rocket. Even a conventional rocket powered gravitational tractor could be refuelled by robot ‘gas stations’. </p></blockquote>
<p>comparison ISP :<br />
 VASIMR 36 000<br />
nuclear pulse propulsion  > 100 000</p>
<p>And, also, we have several thousands nuclear warheads but no working nuclear electric rocket yet.</p>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;ERRATUM:&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; At my previous post above, due to a typo error and incorrect placing of decimal point, it should read: &quot;Actually, that works out at &lt;b&gt;35.85086&lt;/b&gt; kilotons...&quot;

Phil, when the bloody hell are we gonna get a preview/edit facility here?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><i>ERRATUM:</i></b> At my previous post above, due to a typo error and incorrect placing of decimal point, it should read: &#8220;Actually, that works out at <b>35.85086</b> kilotons&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Phil, when the bloody hell are we gonna get a preview/edit facility here?!</p>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T_U_T, your car may not be nuclear powered, but the proposed gravitational tractor may be -- such as a &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_electric_rocket&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Nuclear Electric Rocket&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. Even a conventional rocket powered gravitational tractor could be refuelled by robot &#039;gas stations&#039;. 
&lt;p&gt;Writing in &lt;i&gt;Nature&lt;/i&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;*&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/font&gt;, physicists Edward T. Lu and Stanley G. Love of NASA&#039;s Johnson Space Center show that a gravitational tractor is a reasonable proposition: it is robust to the asteroid&#039;s structure and rotation rate, and a technologically feasible plan that could impart a delta-v of a few millimeters per second to an asteroid with a diameter of 200 metres over the course of several years, sufficient to prevent an Earth impact.
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&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;*&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Nature&lt;/i&gt; 438, 177-178 (10 November 2005); doi:10.1038/438177a.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/small&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T_U_T, your car may not be nuclear powered, but the proposed gravitational tractor may be &#8212; such as a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_electric_rocket" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><font color="blue"><b><u>Nuclear Electric Rocket</u></b></font></a>. Even a conventional rocket powered gravitational tractor could be refuelled by robot &#8216;gas stations&#8217;. </p>
<p>Writing in <i>Nature</i><font color="red"><sup>*</sup></font>, physicists Edward T. Lu and Stanley G. Love of NASA&#8217;s Johnson Space Center show that a gravitational tractor is a reasonable proposition: it is robust to the asteroid&#8217;s structure and rotation rate, and a technologically feasible plan that could impart a delta-v of a few millimeters per second to an asteroid with a diameter of 200 metres over the course of several years, sufficient to prevent an Earth impact.</p>
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<font color="red"><sup>*</sup></font><small><b><i>Nature</i> 438, 177-178 (10 November 2005); doi:10.1038/438177a.</b></small></p>
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		<title>By: Todd W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@T_U_T

My response to your java applet post is awaiting moderation.</description>
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		<title>By: Todd W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@T_U_T

&lt;blockquote&gt;A : No, but you can download demo java applets doing N-body simulation of trajectories http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~scandal/alg/nbody.html
It is really no big deal, any such mission woud start at LEO so all you would need is position and velocity of the of the asteroid, orbital parameters of the probe, and work out trajectory of the warhead by numerical simulation The gravity of any other body than earth, sun, moon, and the asteroid would be negligible so you could do them really fast.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Greg already addressed this, but I have some thoughts as well.

So, we need to start with X probes in orbit, all armed with nuclear warheads.  Great, so where are these probes?  Who is going to build them?  Who is going to launch them?  What will happen if something goes wrong with the launch?  Who will control them once they are in orbit?  And, more pertinent to an impending collision, just how long does it take to figure out the exact location of each of these probes for purposes of calculating the trajectory of the warheads?  As I understand it, getting the precise location of a satellite is a mite on the fuzzy side.

My other questions still stand, which Greg reiterated.  Are we using 1 100-megaton nuke?  10 10-megaton nukes?  100 1-megaton nukes?  If there is more than one, then I assume that they will all hit at the exact same time to avoid situations like Greg describes, in which subsequent missiles miss or do only negligible damage, at best, and at worst send debris hurtling more directly toward Earth when it may otherwise have been on course to miss the planet.  So, how long does it take to calculate the timing required to hit the asteroid at the exact same moment?  Certainly more than milliseconds, and I&#039;d wager it&#039;s a somewhat non-simple bit of math.

So, really, your &quot;milliseconds&quot; claim was pulled out of thin air and has nothing to back it up.  Nor does your claim that it is simple to determine.

Perhaps I&#039;m being a bit unfair.  The calculation itself may take milliseconds on a properly robust computer, but the initial legwork of determining position of everything involved, all object speeds and directions, etc., followed by inputting everything into the calculating module, would take a wee bit more than a few milliseconds.

And from your earlier post:

&lt;blockquote&gt;No one would really bother to estimate how long would 100 of them take. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, I think they probably would, as it would affect the timing of every part of the process.  You need to have some idea of how long it would take to figure out something requiring that level of precision so that the overall timing doesn&#039;t get screwed.

Some follow-up questions: what happens when the orbital probes collide with something else?  What happens if someone that controls one of those probes gets a bit twitchy and decides to use them for a different purpose?  What happens when the timing is off by a few seconds?  Will the asteroid still pose a danger to Earth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@T_U_T</p>
<blockquote><p>A : No, but you can download demo java applets doing N-body simulation of trajectories <a href="http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~scandal/alg/nbody.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~scandal/alg/nbody.html</a><br />
It is really no big deal, any such mission woud start at LEO so all you would need is position and velocity of the of the asteroid, orbital parameters of the probe, and work out trajectory of the warhead by numerical simulation The gravity of any other body than earth, sun, moon, and the asteroid would be negligible so you could do them really fast.</p></blockquote>
<p>Greg already addressed this, but I have some thoughts as well.</p>
<p>So, we need to start with X probes in orbit, all armed with nuclear warheads.  Great, so where are these probes?  Who is going to build them?  Who is going to launch them?  What will happen if something goes wrong with the launch?  Who will control them once they are in orbit?  And, more pertinent to an impending collision, just how long does it take to figure out the exact location of each of these probes for purposes of calculating the trajectory of the warheads?  As I understand it, getting the precise location of a satellite is a mite on the fuzzy side.</p>
<p>My other questions still stand, which Greg reiterated.  Are we using 1 100-megaton nuke?  10 10-megaton nukes?  100 1-megaton nukes?  If there is more than one, then I assume that they will all hit at the exact same time to avoid situations like Greg describes, in which subsequent missiles miss or do only negligible damage, at best, and at worst send debris hurtling more directly toward Earth when it may otherwise have been on course to miss the planet.  So, how long does it take to calculate the timing required to hit the asteroid at the exact same moment?  Certainly more than milliseconds, and I&#8217;d wager it&#8217;s a somewhat non-simple bit of math.</p>
<p>So, really, your &#8220;milliseconds&#8221; claim was pulled out of thin air and has nothing to back it up.  Nor does your claim that it is simple to determine.</p>
<p>Perhaps I&#8217;m being a bit unfair.  The calculation itself may take milliseconds on a properly robust computer, but the initial legwork of determining position of everything involved, all object speeds and directions, etc., followed by inputting everything into the calculating module, would take a wee bit more than a few milliseconds.</p>
<p>And from your earlier post:</p>
<blockquote><p>No one would really bother to estimate how long would 100 of them take. </p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, I think they probably would, as it would affect the timing of every part of the process.  You need to have some idea of how long it would take to figure out something requiring that level of precision so that the overall timing doesn&#8217;t get screwed.</p>
<p>Some follow-up questions: what happens when the orbital probes collide with something else?  What happens if someone that controls one of those probes gets a bit twitchy and decides to use them for a different purpose?  What happens when the timing is off by a few seconds?  Will the asteroid still pose a danger to Earth?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg in Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg in Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T_U_T said,
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;A : No, but you can download demo java applets doing N-body simulation of trajectories  (cs.cmu.edu/~scandal/alg/nbody.html)
It is really no big deal, any such mission woud start at LEO so all you would need is position and velocity of the of the asteroid, orbital parameters of the probe, and work out trajectory of the warhead by numerical simulation The gravity of any other body than earth, sun, moon, and the asteroid would be negligible so you could do them really fast.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Which of those java applets did you use to determine the trajectories of 100 rockets would only take a few milliseconds to calculate? 

Wait, so we would need 100 nuclear warheads in low-earth-orbit waiting to be sent to intercept an asteroid? How many times have we sent a probe to intercept an asteroid or comet? Were those missions simplistic, like you said? And if we were going to hit one asteroid with 100 nukes, would we plan to hit the asteroid with all 100 at once, 10 at a time, 1 at a time? What happens when one nuke hits, fractures the target in two, and the next 10 fly right on thru the gap? Is calculating those course corrections 1,000 times a second trivial as well?

This sounds way more complicated than you claim.

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<blockquote><p>&#8220;A : No, but you can download demo java applets doing N-body simulation of trajectories  (cs.cmu.edu/~scandal/alg/nbody.html)<br />
It is really no big deal, any such mission woud start at LEO so all you would need is position and velocity of the of the asteroid, orbital parameters of the probe, and work out trajectory of the warhead by numerical simulation The gravity of any other body than earth, sun, moon, and the asteroid would be negligible so you could do them really fast.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Which of those java applets did you use to determine the trajectories of 100 rockets would only take a few milliseconds to calculate? </p>
<p>Wait, so we would need 100 nuclear warheads in low-earth-orbit waiting to be sent to intercept an asteroid? How many times have we sent a probe to intercept an asteroid or comet? Were those missions simplistic, like you said? And if we were going to hit one asteroid with 100 nukes, would we plan to hit the asteroid with all 100 at once, 10 at a time, 1 at a time? What happens when one nuke hits, fractures the target in two, and the next 10 fly right on thru the gap? Is calculating those course corrections 1,000 times a second trivial as well?</p>
<p>This sounds way more complicated than you claim.</p>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/03/08/why-do-killer-asteroids-fascinate-us/comment-page-3/#comment-162390</link>
		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T_U_T:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The same problem is with a kinetic impactor. 30 ton used against a comet speeding at 100 km/s will produce 50 kiloton explosion which is 20 times less. Against much slower asteroids it would be maybe just 5 kiloton. Which is really pathetic.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Actually, that works out at 35,850.86 kilotons; however, the point of the kinetic impactor is &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; to pulverize the asteroid/comet, but to &#039;nudge&#039; it out of the way -- the feasibility of which is what &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/NEO/SEMZRZNVGJE_0.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;ESA&#039;s Don Quijote mission&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt; aims to determine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T_U_T:</p>
<blockquote><p>The same problem is with a kinetic impactor. 30 ton used against a comet speeding at 100 km/s will produce 50 kiloton explosion which is 20 times less. Against much slower asteroids it would be maybe just 5 kiloton. Which is really pathetic.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, that works out at 35,850.86 kilotons; however, the point of the kinetic impactor is <b>not</b> to pulverize the asteroid/comet, but to &#8216;nudge&#8217; it out of the way &#8212; the feasibility of which is what <a href="http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/NEO/SEMZRZNVGJE_0.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><font color="blue"><u>ESA&#8217;s Don Quijote mission</u></font></a> aims to determine.</p>
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		<title>By: T_U_T</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/03/08/why-do-killer-asteroids-fascinate-us/comment-page-3/#comment-162380</link>
		<dc:creator>T_U_T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ivan:
&lt;blockquote&gt;So, do you dispose of your car and buy a new one every time it runs out of gas?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

my car i neither nuclear powered, neither most of its mass is fuel, neither the fuel is of comparable price to the car, and also, I don&#039;t usually travel outside of earth gravitational well.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ivan:</p>
<blockquote><p>So, do you dispose of your car and buy a new one every time it runs out of gas?</p></blockquote>
<p>my car i neither nuclear powered, neither most of its mass is fuel, neither the fuel is of comparable price to the car, and also, I don&#8217;t usually travel outside of earth gravitational well.</p>
<p>Todd : my link is stuck in the moderation you will have to wait</p>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn it! I did not close that &quot;blockquote&quot; tag properly.</description>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/03/08/why-do-killer-asteroids-fascinate-us/comment-page-3/#comment-162371</link>
		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T_U_T:
&lt;blockquote&gt;If the asteroid is small, and collision decades ahead, surely gravitational tractor is a possibility (no, it can not be used again and again, because it expends fuel, and expends more of it per 1m/s deltaV than nuke).&lt;blockquote&gt;
So, do you dispose of your car and buy a new one every time it runs out of gas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T_U_T:</p>
<blockquote><p>If the asteroid is small, and collision decades ahead, surely gravitational tractor is a possibility (no, it can not be used again and again, because it expends fuel, and expends more of it per 1m/s deltaV than nuke).<br />
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So, do you dispose of your car and buy a new one every time it runs out of gas?</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: T_U_T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T_U_T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Q : So you have no citation for your claim?
A : No, but you can download demo java applets doing N-body simulation of trajectories http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~scandal/alg/nbody.html 
It is really no big deal, any such mission woud start at LEO so all you would need is position and velocity of the of the asteroid, orbital parameters of the probe, and work out trajectory of the warhead by numerical simulation The gravity of any other body than earth, sun, moon, and the asteroid would be negligible so you could do them really fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q : So you have no citation for your claim?<br />
A : No, but you can download demo java applets doing N-body simulation of trajectories <a href="http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~scandal/alg/nbody.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~scandal/alg/nbody.html</a><br />
It is really no big deal, any such mission woud start at LEO so all you would need is position and velocity of the of the asteroid, orbital parameters of the probe, and work out trajectory of the warhead by numerical simulation The gravity of any other body than earth, sun, moon, and the asteroid would be negligible so you could do them really fast.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd W.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/03/08/why-do-killer-asteroids-fascinate-us/comment-page-3/#comment-162345</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@T_U_T

So you have no citation for your claim?  Upon what do you base your conclusion that the trajectory computations are simplistic?  Do you have experience calculating such trajectories, taking into consideration the Earth&#039;s rotation, position of the moon, positions of satellites and other orbiting objects, atmospheric conditions, etc.?</description>
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<p>So you have no citation for your claim?  Upon what do you base your conclusion that the trajectory computations are simplistic?  Do you have experience calculating such trajectories, taking into consideration the Earth&#8217;s rotation, position of the moon, positions of satellites and other orbiting objects, atmospheric conditions, etc.?</p>
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		<title>By: T_U_T</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/03/08/why-do-killer-asteroids-fascinate-us/comment-page-3/#comment-162335</link>
		<dc:creator>T_U_T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd, please, trajectory computations required to send something straight to an asteroid are really simplistic. No one would really bother to estimate how long would 100 of them take. Most of the time would be spent on reading input and writing results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd, please, trajectory computations required to send something straight to an asteroid are really simplistic. No one would really bother to estimate how long would 100 of them take. Most of the time would be spent on reading input and writing results.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd W.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/03/08/why-do-killer-asteroids-fascinate-us/comment-page-3/#comment-162331</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@T_U_T

&lt;blockquote&gt;A : several miliseconds.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Can you provide a citation for that figure?  Thank you.</description>
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<blockquote><p>A : several miliseconds.</p></blockquote>
<p>Can you provide a citation for that figure?  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: T_U_T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T_U_T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Q : If we take one hundred 1 megaton nukes, just how long would it take to compute the proper trajectories for all of those to hit the object?
A : several miliseconds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q : If we take one hundred 1 megaton nukes, just how long would it take to compute the proper trajectories for all of those to hit the object?<br />
A : several miliseconds.</p>
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		<title>By: T_U_T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T_U_T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IVAN, the 100 megaton nuke scenario was only an example of almost the worst case.
If the asteroid is small, and collision decades ahead, surely gravitational tractor is a possibility ( no, it can not be used again and again, because it expends fuel, and expends more of it per 1m/s deltaV than nuke )

The same problem is with a kinetic impactor. 30 ton used against a comet speeding at 100 km/s will produce 50 kiloton explosion which is  20 times less. Against much slower asteroids it would be maybe just 5 kiloton. Which is really pathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IVAN, the 100 megaton nuke scenario was only an example of almost the worst case.<br />
If the asteroid is small, and collision decades ahead, surely gravitational tractor is a possibility ( no, it can not be used again and again, because it expends fuel, and expends more of it per 1m/s deltaV than nuke )</p>
<p>The same problem is with a kinetic impactor. 30 ton used against a comet speeding at 100 km/s will produce 50 kiloton explosion which is  20 times less. Against much slower asteroids it would be maybe just 5 kiloton. Which is really pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a quick logistical question: If we take one hundred 1 megaton nukes, just how long would it take to compute the proper trajectories for all of those to hit the object?  On top of that, what are the calculations that would be necessary to time the launches correctly so that they all hit at exactly the same time?

Even if we reduce it to ten 10 megaton warheads, the logistics are still pretty nasty.

And if we go with one 100 megaton warhead, what kind of delivery vehicle is necessary to not only get the warhead away from Earth, but keep it heading in the right direction?  Does such a delivery vehicle exist already?  If not, how long would it take to design, engineer and build?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a quick logistical question: If we take one hundred 1 megaton nukes, just how long would it take to compute the proper trajectories for all of those to hit the object?  On top of that, what are the calculations that would be necessary to time the launches correctly so that they all hit at exactly the same time?</p>
<p>Even if we reduce it to ten 10 megaton warheads, the logistics are still pretty nasty.</p>
<p>And if we go with one 100 megaton warhead, what kind of delivery vehicle is necessary to not only get the warhead away from Earth, but keep it heading in the right direction?  Does such a delivery vehicle exist already?  If not, how long would it take to design, engineer and build?</p>
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		<title>By: T_U_T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T_U_T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW. I don&#039;t believe it. You actually wrote something of substance.
The problem is, that, not even paying would help you with that article. I tried to download it a time ago, got only errors. The article ( and several others written all by russians ) apparently exists only in Russian original. Anyway. none of the abstracts, suggests I am wrong.
And the simulation you linked to, is a few kiloton impact, on the surface, not 100 megaton deep inside, and also, it is also 800m asteroid, not a 10km comet which means the objects are not similar at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW. I don&#8217;t believe it. You actually wrote something of substance.<br />
The problem is, that, not even paying would help you with that article. I tried to download it a time ago, got only errors. The article ( and several others written all by russians ) apparently exists only in Russian original. Anyway. none of the abstracts, suggests I am wrong.<br />
And the simulation you linked to, is a few kiloton impact, on the surface, not 100 megaton deep inside, and also, it is also 800m asteroid, not a 10km comet which means the objects are not similar at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg in Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg in Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@IVAN3MAN,

Not at all. I didn&#039;t invent it. Its cool!

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<p>Not at all. I didn&#8217;t invent it. Its cool!</p>
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