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	<title>Comments on: International Women&#8217;s Day</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Meeting for women physics undergrads &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/03/09/international-womens-day/comment-page-3/#comment-206700</link>
		<dc:creator>Meeting for women physics undergrads &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of women in the sciences, so something that fosters their enthusiasm and encourages young women is something I like [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of women in the sciences, so something that fosters their enthusiasm and encourages young women is something I like [...]</p>
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		<title>By: List Hot Astronomers - Bad Astronomy and Universe Today Forum</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/03/09/international-womens-day/comment-page-3/#comment-169912</link>
		<dc:creator>List Hot Astronomers - Bad Astronomy and Universe Today Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of able astronomers. I found it. It turned out to be a list of female astronomers, for the topic of International Women</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of able astronomers. I found it. It turned out to be a list of female astronomers, for the topic of International Women</p>
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		<title>By: darth_borehd</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/03/09/international-womens-day/comment-page-3/#comment-162373</link>
		<dc:creator>darth_borehd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a difference between being [i]right[/i] and being [i]equal[/i].  Some cultures treat woman horribly.  But some other cultures might say American culture does the same thing, from their point of view.  Like Einstein&#039;s Theory of Relativity, Moral Relativism is dependent on your frame of reference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a difference between being [i]right[/i] and being [i]equal[/i].  Some cultures treat woman horribly.  But some other cultures might say American culture does the same thing, from their point of view.  Like Einstein&#8217;s Theory of Relativity, Moral Relativism is dependent on your frame of reference.</p>
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		<title>By: Peregrine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/03/09/international-womens-day/comment-page-3/#comment-162038</link>
		<dc:creator>Peregrine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Phil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Phil.</p>
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		<title>By: Sundance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/03/09/international-womens-day/comment-page-3/#comment-162020</link>
		<dc:creator>Sundance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim:&quot;Institutionalized sexism is a very easy answer, but I think it’s just too easy. Until we make changes to that Long and Lonely Road that leads to a science career, I think were going to lose a lot of women and minorities.&quot;

I think you&#039;ve hit the nail on the head here, in more ways than one. I&#039;m sure there are other factors involved, but simply the fact that the path to an academic career involves a period of semi-nomadic existence must discourage a lot of people, especially if they feel a biological clock ticking. Add to that the fact that postdocs are often treated as junior researchers, incapable of pursuing their own ideas, and forced to work on a faculty-member&#039;s pet project until they achieve tenure themselves (at which point they can enforce their pet projects on the next generation of  postdocs), and the academic career path doesn&#039;t look so wonderful. 

I can&#039;t help feeling that this deals a double-blow to the progress of science. Large numbers of innovative young people (including women and minorities) are discouraged from pursuing a research career, reducing the diversity of ideas being studied. And those young people who make it through the system often can&#039;t do the work they want until they are in their mid-late 30s, and are no longer the young, innovative people science needs. It&#039;s no surprise that Einstein did his most ground-breaking work while employed in a patent office rather than a university.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim:&#8221;Institutionalized sexism is a very easy answer, but I think it’s just too easy. Until we make changes to that Long and Lonely Road that leads to a science career, I think were going to lose a lot of women and minorities.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;ve hit the nail on the head here, in more ways than one. I&#8217;m sure there are other factors involved, but simply the fact that the path to an academic career involves a period of semi-nomadic existence must discourage a lot of people, especially if they feel a biological clock ticking. Add to that the fact that postdocs are often treated as junior researchers, incapable of pursuing their own ideas, and forced to work on a faculty-member&#8217;s pet project until they achieve tenure themselves (at which point they can enforce their pet projects on the next generation of  postdocs), and the academic career path doesn&#8217;t look so wonderful. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help feeling that this deals a double-blow to the progress of science. Large numbers of innovative young people (including women and minorities) are discouraged from pursuing a research career, reducing the diversity of ideas being studied. And those young people who make it through the system often can&#8217;t do the work they want until they are in their mid-late 30s, and are no longer the young, innovative people science needs. It&#8217;s no surprise that Einstein did his most ground-breaking work while employed in a patent office rather than a university.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/03/09/international-womens-day/comment-page-3/#comment-161952</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Meanwhile, the men in my program were having children without any issues because their wives were at home and in other jobs that gave them that freedom.&quot;

Well yeah, except for the fact that they were too busy working (and society pretty much demands that they be too busy working) to actually spend time with their kids.  They very likely miss their kids&#039; first smiles, first steps, first words.  But other than that, no issues whatsoever.  Nope.

Yeesh.

The lousy job market kept my wife at home with our son for three years while I took class overloads.  I envied her every day as I drove away from the house.

JIM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Meanwhile, the men in my program were having children without any issues because their wives were at home and in other jobs that gave them that freedom.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well yeah, except for the fact that they were too busy working (and society pretty much demands that they be too busy working) to actually spend time with their kids.  They very likely miss their kids&#8217; first smiles, first steps, first words.  But other than that, no issues whatsoever.  Nope.</p>
<p>Yeesh.</p>
<p>The lousy job market kept my wife at home with our son for three years while I took class overloads.  I envied her every day as I drove away from the house.</p>
<p>JIM</p>
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		<title>By: Daffy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/03/09/international-womens-day/comment-page-3/#comment-161923</link>
		<dc:creator>Daffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off topic, but, JasonB, when you use Rush Limbaugh&#039;s inane tactic of refusing to use the word &quot;Democratic&quot; when using the adjective form of &quot;Democrat,&quot; you make yourself look ignorant, no matter what your views on a subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic, but, JasonB, when you use Rush Limbaugh&#8217;s inane tactic of refusing to use the word &#8220;Democratic&#8221; when using the adjective form of &#8220;Democrat,&#8221; you make yourself look ignorant, no matter what your views on a subject.</p>
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