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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: 005 &#124; MarkSimon.de</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/04/06/science-is-imagination/comment-page-5/#comment-200035</link>
		<dc:creator>005 &#124; MarkSimon.de</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 08:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/04/06/science-is-imagination/comment-page-5/#comment-191667</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know everyone will flame me, but it&#039;s not hard to find &quot;scientific&quot; texts from several hundred years ago that say the same thing. Each generation of science thinks it&#039;s oh so certain. What makes you think that, suddenly, we&#039;ve mastered the universe in 2009? We probably have as many faults in our theories as they did long ago. We just don&#039;t know, yet. It&#039;s not what we don&#039;t know that gets us, it&#039;s what we don&#039;t know about what we already know.

Try to be less certain. We haven&#039;t fully connected the classical and quantum sciences, not yet. There&#039;re a lot of holes. There&#039;s a lot we could be wrong about! We don&#039;t have a theory for everything. If you don&#039;t fully grasp the big picture (this includes quantum phenomena), and how the interlocking peices work together in a harmony, then we&#039;ll never trully be right - local facts will conflict with big picture facts. These things aren&#039;t yet fully observable, and even then we&#039;ll have to accomodate them. It helps to be humble. Just imagine what we&#039;ll know in 500 years. Do you honestly think that not much will change? Do you think that 500 years from now we&#039;ll be in the same boat, and we&#039;ll look back to 2009 and say, &quot;By gosh, they had everything right!&quot; I don&#039;t think so. We look back 500 years and we tear apart most of the then science world. We discard what didn&#039;t work, and keep what did. Right now I see in my mind a lot of people who&#039;re fixating on what we kept, on what worked, and not remembering the things we were wrong about. They&#039;re not remembering how precious and rare being right was. Being right often meant being isolated and condemned, even by established scholars. Too many people think to themselves that back then the church ruled everything, but they forge that the very same people in existence today, who pursue science with devotion, are the same people who lived in the dark ages. Ultimately, it doesn&#039;t always pay to be humble - a lot of &quot;scientists&quot; were wrong, and were oh so certain. They were wrong, so obviously they were not be scientific - not being humble. Maybe what they believed coincided with what they could observe in those days. Maybe it made sense to them. Perhaps the same fate awaits us. Oneday, what makes sense presently, won&#039;t make sense anymore. 

Giving others hte impression that science is not absolutely certain, and that it could be wrong, and that indeed this has happened in the past, might help to win a few of the fence sitters who&#039;re exceedingly irritated by absolute statements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know everyone will flame me, but it&#8217;s not hard to find &#8220;scientific&#8221; texts from several hundred years ago that say the same thing. Each generation of science thinks it&#8217;s oh so certain. What makes you think that, suddenly, we&#8217;ve mastered the universe in 2009? We probably have as many faults in our theories as they did long ago. We just don&#8217;t know, yet. It&#8217;s not what we don&#8217;t know that gets us, it&#8217;s what we don&#8217;t know about what we already know.</p>
<p>Try to be less certain. We haven&#8217;t fully connected the classical and quantum sciences, not yet. There&#8217;re a lot of holes. There&#8217;s a lot we could be wrong about! We don&#8217;t have a theory for everything. If you don&#8217;t fully grasp the big picture (this includes quantum phenomena), and how the interlocking peices work together in a harmony, then we&#8217;ll never trully be right &#8211; local facts will conflict with big picture facts. These things aren&#8217;t yet fully observable, and even then we&#8217;ll have to accomodate them. It helps to be humble. Just imagine what we&#8217;ll know in 500 years. Do you honestly think that not much will change? Do you think that 500 years from now we&#8217;ll be in the same boat, and we&#8217;ll look back to 2009 and say, &#8220;By gosh, they had everything right!&#8221; I don&#8217;t think so. We look back 500 years and we tear apart most of the then science world. We discard what didn&#8217;t work, and keep what did. Right now I see in my mind a lot of people who&#8217;re fixating on what we kept, on what worked, and not remembering the things we were wrong about. They&#8217;re not remembering how precious and rare being right was. Being right often meant being isolated and condemned, even by established scholars. Too many people think to themselves that back then the church ruled everything, but they forge that the very same people in existence today, who pursue science with devotion, are the same people who lived in the dark ages. Ultimately, it doesn&#8217;t always pay to be humble &#8211; a lot of &#8220;scientists&#8221; were wrong, and were oh so certain. They were wrong, so obviously they were not be scientific &#8211; not being humble. Maybe what they believed coincided with what they could observe in those days. Maybe it made sense to them. Perhaps the same fate awaits us. Oneday, what makes sense presently, won&#8217;t make sense anymore. </p>
<p>Giving others hte impression that science is not absolutely certain, and that it could be wrong, and that indeed this has happened in the past, might help to win a few of the fence sitters who&#8217;re exceedingly irritated by absolute statements.</p>
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		<title>By: Imagination and Creativity Go Hand-in-Hand - Dream, Act, Plan, and Believe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/04/06/science-is-imagination/comment-page-5/#comment-178830</link>
		<dc:creator>Imagination and Creativity Go Hand-in-Hand - Dream, Act, Plan, and Believe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 01:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are at work when new inventions are created, when new breakthroughs in science are discovered (see science is imagination), when new clothing lines are created, when new pieces of music are created, and when new recipes [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Douglas Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Phil,
This is Douglas Todd, author of the article in question.
A reader has just directed me to your piece. Interesting. Thoughtful. Not insulting (a relief from man other comments). I may soon be responding on my blog to your piece.
I can&#039;t reach you directly by email. So I was wondering if you would be willing to link your piece to my blog item on this issue (instead of where you have linked it to.) That way your readers could find related pieces on this subject.
The better link is:
http://tinyurl.com/c7pser

Thanks
Doug
Vancouver Sun spirituality and philosophy writer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Phil,<br />
This is Douglas Todd, author of the article in question.<br />
A reader has just directed me to your piece. Interesting. Thoughtful. Not insulting (a relief from man other comments). I may soon be responding on my blog to your piece.<br />
I can&#8217;t reach you directly by email. So I was wondering if you would be willing to link your piece to my blog item on this issue (instead of where you have linked it to.) That way your readers could find related pieces on this subject.<br />
The better link is:<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/c7pser" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/c7pser</a></p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Doug<br />
Vancouver Sun spirituality and philosophy writer</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Lynchehaun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Lynchehaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To echo a few people above me, I believe Phil (who I otherwise have great respect for) has terribly misrepresented Todd&#039;s article.

Todd is very clear to define &#039;scientism&#039; as different from &#039;science&#039; right from the start, and he repeatedly refers to &#039;scientism&#039; as the subject of his article all the way through.

Furthermore, Phil actually reiterates several of Todd&#039;s points as *counterpoints* to Todd (even though they&#039;re both saying the same thing).

Todd: &quot;Science has always had a speculative component, as we see with theories about quantum physics and the Big Bang and evolution.&quot;

Phil:  &quot;It took a leap of imagination for Alan Guth to think that the Big Bang theory wasn’t wrong, but incomplete, and to add inflation to explain why the Universe looks so smooth.&quot;



Speaking of Strawmen arguments:

Phil: you have accused Todd of attacking science in this article. Todd attacked &quot;scientism&quot; in this article. Your entire piece is a strawman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To echo a few people above me, I believe Phil (who I otherwise have great respect for) has terribly misrepresented Todd&#8217;s article.</p>
<p>Todd is very clear to define &#8217;scientism&#8217; as different from &#8217;science&#8217; right from the start, and he repeatedly refers to &#8217;scientism&#8217; as the subject of his article all the way through.</p>
<p>Furthermore, Phil actually reiterates several of Todd&#8217;s points as *counterpoints* to Todd (even though they&#8217;re both saying the same thing).</p>
<p>Todd: &#8220;Science has always had a speculative component, as we see with theories about quantum physics and the Big Bang and evolution.&#8221;</p>
<p>Phil:  &#8220;It took a leap of imagination for Alan Guth to think that the Big Bang theory wasn’t wrong, but incomplete, and to add inflation to explain why the Universe looks so smooth.&#8221;</p>
<p>Speaking of Strawmen arguments:</p>
<p>Phil: you have accused Todd of attacking science in this article. Todd attacked &#8220;scientism&#8221; in this article. Your entire piece is a strawman.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I really messed up the link. Let&#039;s try that again... 

Here’s some more, this one from the Telegraph’s Missing the Point desk: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/science/sciencenews/5081751/Why-science-doesnt-make-sense.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I really messed up the link. Let&#8217;s try that again&#8230; </p>
<p>Here’s some more, this one from the Telegraph’s Missing the Point desk: <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/science/sciencenews/5081751/Why-science-doesnt-make-sense.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/science/sciencenews/5081751/Why-science-doesnt-make-sense.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Science Polish &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Science Polish &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] couple of weeks ago, I posted an entry here about how science is all about imagination. It got some attention, which is always nice when I think science is being denigrated in some way; [...]</description>
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