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	<title>Comments on: Pareidolia poser</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Damon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/04/21/pareidolia-poser/comment-page-2/#comment-182931</link>
		<dc:creator>Damon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 23:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So in other words, deny and trick our brains into doing what they aren&#039;t trained to do instinctually and biologically. Gotcha. Thanks, Phil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So in other words, deny and trick our brains into doing what they aren&#8217;t trained to do instinctually and biologically. Gotcha. Thanks, Phil.</p>
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		<title>By: Random Placements &#171; Risebakery&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/04/21/pareidolia-poser/comment-page-2/#comment-176652</link>
		<dc:creator>Random Placements &#171; Risebakery&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 24, 2009 by Samantha    A few days ago, Bad Astronomer Phil Plait posted on pareidolia, which is the fancy name for how our brains like to find patterns in all manner of things. Like [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 24, 2009 by Samantha    A few days ago, Bad Astronomer Phil Plait posted on pareidolia, which is the fancy name for how our brains like to find patterns in all manner of things. Like [...]</p>
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		<title>By: whb03</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/04/21/pareidolia-poser/comment-page-2/#comment-176292</link>
		<dc:creator>whb03</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;the Monty Hall problem&quot;? Could you elaborate? I think I heard something about this once...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;the Monty Hall problem&#8221;? Could you elaborate? I think I heard something about this once&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/04/21/pareidolia-poser/comment-page-2/#comment-176220</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UK &quot;Mentalist&quot; Derren Brown did a good trick where he managed to flip 10 heads in a row before presenting the coin to the camera and showing it was not fake - all in one single uncut shot.

Later on he revealed that he had been filming himself flip the coin for hours, only stopping once the 10 in a row sequence came up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UK &#8220;Mentalist&#8221; Derren Brown did a good trick where he managed to flip 10 heads in a row before presenting the coin to the camera and showing it was not fake &#8211; all in one single uncut shot.</p>
<p>Later on he revealed that he had been filming himself flip the coin for hours, only stopping once the 10 in a row sequence came up.</p>
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		<title>By: Crudely Wrott</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/04/21/pareidolia-poser/comment-page-2/#comment-176183</link>
		<dc:creator>Crudely Wrott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 02:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A teacher once gave my class this quotation:

&quot;We live in a world of symbols and abstractions, and many a man dies by his own cliches.&quot; 

I cannot recall who said that but I do recall how that teacher, among others, showed me a method to reduce the need for symbols and to clarify abstractions; literacy, numeracy and the scientific method.

It is satisfying to see those teachers&#039; lessons confirmed whenever I or someone else finds a pattern that is actually there, not merely perceived. That&#039;s how we learn, how we progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A teacher once gave my class this quotation:</p>
<p>&#8220;We live in a world of symbols and abstractions, and many a man dies by his own cliches.&#8221; </p>
<p>I cannot recall who said that but I do recall how that teacher, among others, showed me a method to reduce the need for symbols and to clarify abstractions; literacy, numeracy and the scientific method.</p>
<p>It is satisfying to see those teachers&#8217; lessons confirmed whenever I or someone else finds a pattern that is actually there, not merely perceived. That&#8217;s how we learn, how we progress.</p>
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		<title>By: Vorn</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/04/21/pareidolia-poser/comment-page-2/#comment-176147</link>
		<dc:creator>Vorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A while ago I was writing a bit of program to distribute stars for a video game.  I first tried using true randomness, and found it far too clumpy for my needs.  I fought with it for rather a while before going for the retry method.

Though I guess a repulsion/attraction solution would have worked too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A while ago I was writing a bit of program to distribute stars for a video game.  I first tried using true randomness, and found it far too clumpy for my needs.  I fought with it for rather a while before going for the retry method.</p>
<p>Though I guess a repulsion/attraction solution would have worked too.</p>
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		<title>By: DAV</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/04/21/pareidolia-poser/comment-page-2/#comment-176053</link>
		<dc:creator>DAV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;By the way, is there a word for human tendency to find patterns?&lt;/i&gt;

Intelligence?

Finding differences is easy. Ask any computer to compare two photographs of the same subject and you get tons of differences. Ask one to tell you how they are the same and you likely won&#039;t get a meaningful answer. Many intelligence test provide images that are superficially different then ask which one doesn&#039;t fit with the rest. The key to solving them is finding the underlying pattern of the group.

Science unravelling the universe is pattern recognition on steroids. All hypothesis models are statements of pattern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>By the way, is there a word for human tendency to find patterns?</i></p>
<p>Intelligence?</p>
<p>Finding differences is easy. Ask any computer to compare two photographs of the same subject and you get tons of differences. Ask one to tell you how they are the same and you likely won&#8217;t get a meaningful answer. Many intelligence test provide images that are superficially different then ask which one doesn&#8217;t fit with the rest. The key to solving them is finding the underlying pattern of the group.</p>
<p>Science unravelling the universe is pattern recognition on steroids. All hypothesis models are statements of pattern.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Helbig</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/04/21/pareidolia-poser/comment-page-2/#comment-176020</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Helbig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Essentially the same pictures were at Cosmic Variance and In The Dark.  Don&#039;t
you folks read each others&#039; blogs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Essentially the same pictures were at Cosmic Variance and In The Dark.  Don&#8217;t<br />
you folks read each others&#8217; blogs?</p>
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		<title>By: RC</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/04/21/pareidolia-poser/comment-page-2/#comment-175984</link>
		<dc:creator>RC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the coin flips are a very good illustration of our misperceptions of randomness. As has been mentioned above, each particular sequence is equally likely, but the characteristics of each sequence are not. Which characteristics? In addition to expecting roughly half heads and half tails, we should also expect a sequence of coin flips to change from H to T, or from T to H, roughly half the time. In other words, if you flip a tails, roughly half the next flips will be tails and half will be heads. Note that sequence two contains exactly this characteristic--5 heads, 5 tails with 5 H-T/T-H switches. Sequence one contains 5 H and 5 T, but only 1 H-T switch. Our guts are right--sequence 2 is far more likely to represent a random sequence than sequence 1. Much more interesting in terms of misperceptions of randomness would be sequences with half heads, half tails, but 6 or 7 H-T switches. For example, HTHHTHTHTT. Note that this sequence contains 7 H-T/T-H switches, but I&#039;m guessing many people would rate it &quot;more likely to be random&quot; than the sequence with 5 H-T/T-H switches. Sorry if this covers ground already covered. Best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the coin flips are a very good illustration of our misperceptions of randomness. As has been mentioned above, each particular sequence is equally likely, but the characteristics of each sequence are not. Which characteristics? In addition to expecting roughly half heads and half tails, we should also expect a sequence of coin flips to change from H to T, or from T to H, roughly half the time. In other words, if you flip a tails, roughly half the next flips will be tails and half will be heads. Note that sequence two contains exactly this characteristic&#8211;5 heads, 5 tails with 5 H-T/T-H switches. Sequence one contains 5 H and 5 T, but only 1 H-T switch. Our guts are right&#8211;sequence 2 is far more likely to represent a random sequence than sequence 1. Much more interesting in terms of misperceptions of randomness would be sequences with half heads, half tails, but 6 or 7 H-T switches. For example, HTHHTHTHTT. Note that this sequence contains 7 H-T/T-H switches, but I&#8217;m guessing many people would rate it &#8220;more likely to be random&#8221; than the sequence with 5 H-T/T-H switches. Sorry if this covers ground already covered. Best.</p>
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		<title>By: Hannu Siivonen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/04/21/pareidolia-poser/comment-page-2/#comment-175979</link>
		<dc:creator>Hannu Siivonen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TTHHTHHTTH has almost as distinctive pattern as does HHHHHTTTTT. To me TTHHTHHTTH doesn&#039;t look any more random that HHHHHTTTTT. Basically they both have H:s and T:s inverted from the halfway to the end.

By the way, is there a word for human tendency to find patterns? At least it&#039;s somehow realted to pareidolia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TTHHTHHTTH has almost as distinctive pattern as does HHHHHTTTTT. To me TTHHTHHTTH doesn&#8217;t look any more random that HHHHHTTTTT. Basically they both have H:s and T:s inverted from the halfway to the end.</p>
<p>By the way, is there a word for human tendency to find patterns? At least it&#8217;s somehow realted to pareidolia</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if anyone has spotted this before (not enough time just now to read through the comments, but...

The BA said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The answer is they are both exactly as likely. You have a 50/50 shot at a heads or tails on each throw, so any 10-throw sequence is just as likely as any other! &lt;b&gt;But we look at the second sequence and see no information in it. &lt;/b&gt;We assume it’s just random, and therefore more likely than a sequence where we perceive there is information, like five heads in a row followed by five tails. But each is just as likely.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In fact, there is more information in the second sequence than in the first.  According to information theory (or at least my interested layman&#039;s understanding of it), the more easily compressed a sequence of bits is, the less information it contains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if anyone has spotted this before (not enough time just now to read through the comments, but&#8230;</p>
<p>The BA said:</p>
<blockquote><p>The answer is they are both exactly as likely. You have a 50/50 shot at a heads or tails on each throw, so any 10-throw sequence is just as likely as any other! <b>But we look at the second sequence and see no information in it. </b>We assume it’s just random, and therefore more likely than a sequence where we perceive there is information, like five heads in a row followed by five tails. But each is just as likely.</p></blockquote>
<p>In fact, there is more information in the second sequence than in the first.  According to information theory (or at least my interested layman&#8217;s understanding of it), the more easily compressed a sequence of bits is, the less information it contains.</p>
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		<title>By: MadScientist</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/04/21/pareidolia-poser/comment-page-2/#comment-175956</link>
		<dc:creator>MadScientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@DAV:  Bayesians are normal people?  Uh ... that&#039;s nice.  (Backs away slowly)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DAV:  Bayesians are normal people?  Uh &#8230; that&#8217;s nice.  (Backs away slowly)</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Lester</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/04/21/pareidolia-poser/comment-page-2/#comment-175953</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Lester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 07:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Qui-Gon Jinn said it best: &quot;whenever you gamble, my friend, eventually you will lose.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Qui-Gon Jinn said it best: &#8220;whenever you gamble, my friend, eventually you will lose.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: José</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/04/21/pareidolia-poser/comment-page-2/#comment-175935</link>
		<dc:creator>José</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Coleman
&lt;i&gt;When I am asked (as a clerk at a gas station) what number they should play I state that they should play the number 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6. &lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, but there&#039;s probably a bunch of other people who play those numbers, so if by some miracle you did win, your pot would be much smaller than if you played some obscure number set.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Coleman<br />
<i>When I am asked (as a clerk at a gas station) what number they should play I state that they should play the number 1 &#8211; 2 &#8211; 3 &#8211; 4 &#8211; 5 &#8211; 6. </i></p>
<p>Yeah, but there&#8217;s probably a bunch of other people who play those numbers, so if by some miracle you did win, your pot would be much smaller than if you played some obscure number set.</p>
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		<title>By: Mushroom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/04/21/pareidolia-poser/comment-page-2/#comment-175934</link>
		<dc:creator>Mushroom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly, the random picture is a smaller jpg file than the non-random one (135 K vs 155K), although in general you expect random data to be less compressible than non-random data.  My geek fu isn&#039;t strong enough to suggest why this is, can anyone else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, the random picture is a smaller jpg file than the non-random one (135 K vs 155K), although in general you expect random data to be less compressible than non-random data.  My geek fu isn&#8217;t strong enough to suggest why this is, can anyone else?</p>
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		<title>By: OzAtheist</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/04/21/pareidolia-poser/comment-page-2/#comment-175930</link>
		<dc:creator>OzAtheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 04:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both images look random to me.</description>
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		<title>By: AndyD</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndyD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s also frustratingly true that in a Lotto draw, the chance of getting 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 drawn is the same as drawing any other 6-number combo. 

Now, with the dot patterns... Is it not also true that the picture on the right is as equally likely as the one on the left (assuming a simple pixel-on/pixel-off array) but the &quot;type&quot; of pattern on the left is more likely than the &quot;type&quot; of pattern on the right? (Yes, I realise this wasn&#039;t really the question)

I&#039;m now sitting here having fun with Photoshop noise patterns and looking for faces. I&#039;ll get the kids to help tonight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s also frustratingly true that in a Lotto draw, the chance of getting 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 drawn is the same as drawing any other 6-number combo. </p>
<p>Now, with the dot patterns&#8230; Is it not also true that the picture on the right is as equally likely as the one on the left (assuming a simple pixel-on/pixel-off array) but the &#8220;type&#8221; of pattern on the left is more likely than the &#8220;type&#8221; of pattern on the right? (Yes, I realise this wasn&#8217;t really the question)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m now sitting here having fun with Photoshop noise patterns and looking for faces. I&#8217;ll get the kids to help tonight.</p>
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		<title>By: Coleman Mulkerin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/04/21/pareidolia-poser/comment-page-2/#comment-175924</link>
		<dc:creator>Coleman Mulkerin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always try to get the point across about how rare it is for a number to win powerball by playing on people&#039;s belief that order cannot come from disorder.   When I am asked (as a clerk at a gas station) what number they should play I state that they should play the number 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6.  They will usually laugh the idea off and I will reply that is just as likely as any other number.  

Sadly even there conception of how low of a chance that number has to come in is probably still to high.   Powerball is about a 1 in billion chance if I remember.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always try to get the point across about how rare it is for a number to win powerball by playing on people&#8217;s belief that order cannot come from disorder.   When I am asked (as a clerk at a gas station) what number they should play I state that they should play the number 1 &#8211; 2 &#8211; 3 &#8211; 4 &#8211; 5 &#8211; 6.  They will usually laugh the idea off and I will reply that is just as likely as any other number.  </p>
<p>Sadly even there conception of how low of a chance that number has to come in is probably still to high.   Powerball is about a 1 in billion chance if I remember.</p>
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		<title>By: DAV</title>
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		<dc:creator>DAV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 02:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Does “placed at random” have a definite mathematical meaning? &lt;/i&gt;

Not really. &quot;Random&quot; is used as a magical incantation by frequentists but to Bayesians and other regular folk  :-D it simply means &quot;unknown&quot;. It is further presumed that the output of &quot;true&quot; random number generators are uncorrelated and unbiased, hence &quot;random&quot; means &quot;unpredictable&quot;. Note that any correlation or bias would make them &quot;predictable&quot; -- at least potentially.

&lt;i&gt;You know coin flipping is not really random. I can flip a coin and make it come up heads everytime or any other pattern I can imagine.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, so can a lot of stage magicians but it takes a skill most people haven&#039;t bothered to acquire.

&lt;i&gt;I must have studied too much probability &lt;/i&gt;

Really? Where? Most stat courses only briefly touch on the subject. To the frequentist it&#039;s simply counting although what probability really means is at times hotly debated. No need to go over the entire history here but statistics is coming full cycle back to its roots -- in large part because of the efforts of E. T. Jaynes. One of his books &quot;Probability Theory: The Logic of Science (Vol 1)&quot; has been released posthumously and is available through Amazon and elsewhere. A good, fairly easy read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Does “placed at random” have a definite mathematical meaning? </i></p>
<p>Not really. &#8220;Random&#8221; is used as a magical incantation by frequentists but to Bayesians and other regular folk  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' />  it simply means &#8220;unknown&#8221;. It is further presumed that the output of &#8220;true&#8221; random number generators are uncorrelated and unbiased, hence &#8220;random&#8221; means &#8220;unpredictable&#8221;. Note that any correlation or bias would make them &#8220;predictable&#8221; &#8212; at least potentially.</p>
<p><i>You know coin flipping is not really random. I can flip a coin and make it come up heads everytime or any other pattern I can imagine.</i></p>
<p>Yes, so can a lot of stage magicians but it takes a skill most people haven&#8217;t bothered to acquire.</p>
<p><i>I must have studied too much probability </i></p>
<p>Really? Where? Most stat courses only briefly touch on the subject. To the frequentist it&#8217;s simply counting although what probability really means is at times hotly debated. No need to go over the entire history here but statistics is coming full cycle back to its roots &#8212; in large part because of the efforts of E. T. Jaynes. One of his books &#8220;Probability Theory: The Logic of Science (Vol 1)&#8221; has been released posthumously and is available through Amazon and elsewhere. A good, fairly easy read.</p>
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		<title>By: John Paradox</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Paradox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 01:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The distribution of dots reminded me of an episode of NUMB3RS, where Charlie (the math genius) asked the FBI team to &#039;stand around randomly&#039; and they pretty much just put themselves at more-or-less-equal distances.

Though math is my weak point (let&#039;s not even use the term Calculus... shiver!), I find the show interesting for it&#039;s introducing me to various ideas and concepts in the science of Mathematics.

J/P=?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The distribution of dots reminded me of an episode of NUMB3RS, where Charlie (the math genius) asked the FBI team to &#8216;stand around randomly&#8217; and they pretty much just put themselves at more-or-less-equal distances.</p>
<p>Though math is my weak point (let&#8217;s not even use the term Calculus&#8230; shiver!), I find the show interesting for it&#8217;s introducing me to various ideas and concepts in the science of Mathematics.</p>
<p>J/P=?</p>
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		<title>By: Craptaculus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craptaculus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This also neatly explains &quot;cancer clusters&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: DexX</title>
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		<dc:creator>DexX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must have studied too much probability - I immediately saw that the right pattern was far too evenly distributed to be truly random and had to have been generated within certain constraints to prevent the dots being too close to each other.

Doesn&#039;t make me smarter than any who picked the wrong one, just a different flavour of geek.  :)

The coin-flipping example always does people&#039;s heads in, due to random probability being subject to so much fuzzy magical thinking.  People imagine the universe seeks balance in all things, I think, and pushes to make things neat and tidy.

Sorry, but the universe is a big, glorious mess, and the maid exists only in your mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must have studied too much probability &#8211; I immediately saw that the right pattern was far too evenly distributed to be truly random and had to have been generated within certain constraints to prevent the dots being too close to each other.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t make me smarter than any who picked the wrong one, just a different flavour of geek.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The coin-flipping example always does people&#8217;s heads in, due to random probability being subject to so much fuzzy magical thinking.  People imagine the universe seeks balance in all things, I think, and pushes to make things neat and tidy.</p>
<p>Sorry, but the universe is a big, glorious mess, and the maid exists only in your mind.</p>
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		<title>By: TealkingGoat</title>
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		<dc:creator>TealkingGoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know coin flipping is not really random. I can flip a coin and make it come up heads evertime or any other pattern I can imagine. I do it all the time when I let the kids think we are deciding something randomly with a coin flip ( I have allready decided so I control the outcome). Its a fun skill and really frustrates some people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know coin flipping is not really random. I can flip a coin and make it come up heads evertime or any other pattern I can imagine. I do it all the time when I let the kids think we are deciding something randomly with a coin flip ( I have allready decided so I control the outcome). Its a fun skill and really frustrates some people.</p>
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		<title>By: MadScientist</title>
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		<dc:creator>MadScientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one on the right is random too - it&#039;s just the probability of it occurring as a random event is incredibly small.  I&#039;m tempted to do a frequency analysis to estimate the constraints placed by the creator.  Must ... turn ... off ... geek ... gene.

This reminds me of many articles on &quot;how to catch a student faking data&quot;.   I usually fall over laughing as I look at the analyses which reveal a decidedly &quot;intelligent design&quot;.  Well - not too intelligent obviously if the student believes they know oh so much that they&#039;ll get away with it.  On the down side, in many (most?) cases it&#039;s difficult to set up to check on all students&#039; experimental results.  Sometimes the result is not so bad - it is obvious that the student has real(istic) data and that it is incorrect assumptions about the measurement errors which are revealed in the analysis (honest students often assign too large an error).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one on the right is random too &#8211; it&#8217;s just the probability of it occurring as a random event is incredibly small.  I&#8217;m tempted to do a frequency analysis to estimate the constraints placed by the creator.  Must &#8230; turn &#8230; off &#8230; geek &#8230; gene.</p>
<p>This reminds me of many articles on &#8220;how to catch a student faking data&#8221;.   I usually fall over laughing as I look at the analyses which reveal a decidedly &#8220;intelligent design&#8221;.  Well &#8211; not too intelligent obviously if the student believes they know oh so much that they&#8217;ll get away with it.  On the down side, in many (most?) cases it&#8217;s difficult to set up to check on all students&#8217; experimental results.  Sometimes the result is not so bad &#8211; it is obvious that the student has real(istic) data and that it is incorrect assumptions about the measurement errors which are revealed in the analysis (honest students often assign too large an error).</p>
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		<title>By: drewski</title>
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		<dc:creator>drewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one of the left looks way more random than the one on the right to me. One on the right is way, way too neat to be random.</description>
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