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	<title>Comments on: Jim Carrey loves the pro-disease movement</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: 68787</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with author of blog.

In that vaccines are good for the living current generation of humanity. (wealthy nations)

However prolonged/increased use of medicines/antibodies/vaccines will eventually lead to future generations through whatever/however the whole dna inheritance thing works becoming more suspectible to infections/bacteria which would not  otherwise be so bad. Basically becoming dependent on external meds.

Much like how if you use steroids your body stops test production cause hey why go buy milk at walmart when your orny big fat nymph wife is lactating.

And why kids who get chickenpox at an early age are pretty much failsafe from it. We all need controlled  EXPOSURE for immunity and vaccines are a gr8 way to do it. Being injected with sterile HIV is a  much better way than dicking a crackho up the pooper. (well that is argueable!!!!)

i&#039;m pro exposure but very left on the use/abuse of antibiotics constant germ-xing of the body, constant sterile food,etc.. Everyone needs regular exposure/immunity from within otherwise when it hits it will hit hard.

Squirrels are 100% immune from rattlesnake venom. Know how? Death. Lots and lots of it over a long time. Had they taken antivenoms daily they would still die from it unless they had that external source. Point being- exposure yourself. Vaccines for the nasties and maybe don&#039;t germx yourself 5 times a day and pop an antibiotic everytime you sneeze.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with author of blog.</p>
<p>In that vaccines are good for the living current generation of humanity. (wealthy nations)</p>
<p>However prolonged/increased use of medicines/antibodies/vaccines will eventually lead to future generations through whatever/however the whole dna inheritance thing works becoming more suspectible to infections/bacteria which would not  otherwise be so bad. Basically becoming dependent on external meds.</p>
<p>Much like how if you use steroids your body stops test production cause hey why go buy milk at walmart when your orny big fat nymph wife is lactating.</p>
<p>And why kids who get chickenpox at an early age are pretty much failsafe from it. We all need controlled  EXPOSURE for immunity and vaccines are a gr8 way to do it. Being injected with sterile HIV is a  much better way than dicking a crackho up the pooper. (well that is argueable!!!!)</p>
<p>i&#8217;m pro exposure but very left on the use/abuse of antibiotics constant germ-xing of the body, constant sterile food,etc.. Everyone needs regular exposure/immunity from within otherwise when it hits it will hit hard.</p>
<p>Squirrels are 100% immune from rattlesnake venom. Know how? Death. Lots and lots of it over a long time. Had they taken antivenoms daily they would still die from it unless they had that external source. Point being- exposure yourself. Vaccines for the nasties and maybe don&#8217;t germx yourself 5 times a day and pop an antibiotic everytime you sneeze.</p>
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		<title>By: wise one</title>
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		<dc:creator>wise one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 06:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If everyone who thinks vaccines are safe &amp; vaccines will protect them will just take the damn shot, then they shouldn&#039;t worry about those who don&#039;t want or believe in it possibly infecting others, since the non-believers would be the only ones left at risk. It doesn&#039;t take a rocket scientist to realize this. 

You know-it-alls always try to force your point of view on others, demonizing anyone who disagrees with your &quot;enlightenment&quot; as some kind of dangerous infidel, to the point of forcing them to accept a foreign substance into their bodies that they don&#039;t want for personal, health, or religious reasons.

Let each person make the decision for themselves and let&#039;s see who fares the best- The Naturalists, or the dupes of the Pharmacuetical Industrial Complex, the controlled mainstream media establishment, Darwin, Freud, Kinsley and John Maynard Keynes.

You people make me sick with your self-arrogance. All that excellent research, then you come to ignorant conclusions. Why don&#039;t you fools follow the money trail and the ruined lives left in the wake of this issue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If everyone who thinks vaccines are safe &#038; vaccines will protect them will just take the damn shot, then they shouldn&#8217;t worry about those who don&#8217;t want or believe in it possibly infecting others, since the non-believers would be the only ones left at risk. It doesn&#8217;t take a rocket scientist to realize this. </p>
<p>You know-it-alls always try to force your point of view on others, demonizing anyone who disagrees with your &#8220;enlightenment&#8221; as some kind of dangerous infidel, to the point of forcing them to accept a foreign substance into their bodies that they don&#8217;t want for personal, health, or religious reasons.</p>
<p>Let each person make the decision for themselves and let&#8217;s see who fares the best- The Naturalists, or the dupes of the Pharmacuetical Industrial Complex, the controlled mainstream media establishment, Darwin, Freud, Kinsley and John Maynard Keynes.</p>
<p>You people make me sick with your self-arrogance. All that excellent research, then you come to ignorant conclusions. Why don&#8217;t you fools follow the money trail and the ruined lives left in the wake of this issue?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 03:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See the following theory:
The ‘theory of mind’ (ToM) hypothesis of autism.  Tom is an hypothesis first published in 1985.
Other articles ask what caused the autism epidemic? 
The CDC studies say it is not MMR or Thimerosal.  Other hypotheses have included autoimmune diseases, etc.

Data:
  Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA) Data website:
http://www.ideadata.org/PartBChildCount.asp
  Pregnancy Risk Assessment Monitoring System (PRAMS) sleep position data:
http://www.cdc.gov/prams/2002PRAMSSurvReport/MultiStateExhibits/Multistates16.htm
  Centers for Disease Control (CDC) Birth Data:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/births.htm
  2006 Median Income Data: - U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development
NOTICE PDR-2006-01

Autism Spectrum Disorders, Asperger&#039;s Syndrome, and Pervasive Developmental Disorders - Not Otherwise specified (PDD-NOS)
Gastrointestinal Disorders also known as GER is a common comorbidity
Autism patients tend to have minicolumn abnormalities and increased amounts of white matter
	Casanova MF, van Kooten IA, Switala AE, Ven Engeland H, Heinsen H, Steinbusch HW, Hof PR, Trippe J, Stone J, Schmitz C. Minicolumnar abnormalities in autism.  Acta Neuropathol. 2006 Sep; 112(3); 287-303.
	Mostofsky SH, Burgess MP, Larson JCG.  Increased motor cortex white matter volume predicts motor impairment in autism. Brain (2007), 130, 2117-2122

Maternal smoking decreased significantly between 1990 and 2002
Infant suffocation deaths increased 14% per year on average between 1996 and 2004
	Centers for Disease Control.  Smoking &amp; Tobacco Use - Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports (MMWRs) – Smoking During Pregnancy – United States, 1990-2002 – October 7, 2004 / Vol. 53/  No. 39 http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/MMWR/2004/mm5339_highlights.htm
	Shapiro-Mendoza CK, Kimball M, Tomashek KM, Anderson RN, Blanding S.US Infant Mortality  Trends Attributable to Accidental Suffocation and Strangulation in Bed From 1984 Through 2004: Are Rates Increasing? Pediatrics 2009;123;533-539

Here is a good article on diagnosing this:
	Filipek P, Accardo P, Ashwal S, Baranek G, Cook E, Dawson G, Gordon B, Gravel J, Johnson C, Kallen R, Levy S, Minshew N, Ozonoff S, Prizant B, Rapin I, Rogers S, Stone W, Teplin S, Tuchman R, Volkmar F. Practice parameter: Screening and diagnosis of autism Report of the Quality Standards Subcommittee of the American Academy of Neurology and  the Child Neurology Society NEUROLOGY 2000;55:468–479  http://internet.dscc.uic.edu/forms/medicalhome/AutismRef.pdf

Also, 
SIDS, Autism, Autism Spectrum Disorder, Plagiocephaly, etc. are all
conditions that the medical profession is trying to treat.  
The SIDS back sleep (Supine) sleep recommendations began in 1992
The SIDS &quot;Back to Sleep&quot; campaign began in 1994.
In 1996 the AAP SIDS Task Force, led by Dr. John Kattwinkel recommended the supine sleep position and not the side(lateral) or front(prone).
THe Netherlands began their SIDS Back to Sleep Campaign in 1987.
Sleep is necessary for memory consolidation, declarative learning, and procedural learning.


The following are useful articles which discuss many of these issues indepth:
	American Academy of Pediatrics Task Force on Infant Positioning and SIDS.  Positioning and SIDS.  Pediatrics. 1992;89:1120-1126
	Hogberg U, Bergstrom E.  Suffocated Prone:  The Iatrogenic Tragedy of SIDS.  American Journal of Public Health. 2000;90:527-531
	National Infant Sleep Position Household Survey.  Summary Data.  updated:  10/16/08  Website:  http://dccwww.bumc.bu.edu/ChimeNisp/NISP_Data.asp
	Kattwinkel J, Hauck F.R., Moon R.Y., Malloy M and Willinger M Infant Death Syndrome: In Reply, Bed Sharing With Unimpaired  Parents Is Not an Important Risk for Sudden. Pediatrics 2006;117;994-996
	Buzsáki, G. 1989. Two-stage model of memory trace formation: A role for “noisy” brain states. Neuroscience 31: 551–570.
	Hasselmo, M.E. 1999. Neuromodulation: Acetylcholine and memory consolidation. Trends Cogn. Sci. 3: 351–359.
	Wierzynski DM, Lubenov EV, Gu M, Siapas AG.  State-Dependent Spike-Timing Relationships between Hippocampal and Prefrontal Circuits during Sleep.  Neuron 61, 587-596, February 26, 2009
	Walker MP, Stickgold R.  Sleep, Memory, and Plasticity.  Annu. Rev. Psychol. 2006. 57: 139-66
	Gais S, Born J. Declarative memory consolidation:  Mechanisms acting during human sleep. Learn Mem. 2004 Nov-Dec; 11(6): 679-685
	Davis BE, Moon RY, Sachs HC, Ottolini MC.  Effects of sleep position on infant motor development. Pediatrics. 1998 Nov; 102(5):1135-40.
	Skadberg BT, Markestad T. Consequences of Getting the Head Covered During Sleep in Infancy. Pediatrics 1997;100;e6
	AJ Williams, RD Jitendra, JB Phillips, Y Lin, T McCabe, FC Tortella. Neuroprotective Efficacy and Therapeutic Window of the High-Affinity N-Methyl-D-aspartate Antagonist Conantokin-G: In Vitro (Primary Cerebellar Neurons) and In Vivo (Rat Model of Transient Focal Brain Ischemia) Studies1 
	Stradling JR, Thomas G, Warley AR, Williams P, Freeland A. Effect of adenotonsillectomy on nocturnal hypoxaemia, sleep disturbance, and symptoms in snoring children. Lancet. 1990;335 :249 –253</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See the following theory:<br />
The ‘theory of mind’ (ToM) hypothesis of autism.  Tom is an hypothesis first published in 1985.<br />
Other articles ask what caused the autism epidemic?<br />
The CDC studies say it is not MMR or Thimerosal.  Other hypotheses have included autoimmune diseases, etc.</p>
<p>Data:<br />
  Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA) Data website:<br />
<a href="http://www.ideadata.org/PartBChildCount.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.ideadata.org/PartBChildCount.asp</a><br />
  Pregnancy Risk Assessment Monitoring System (PRAMS) sleep position data:<br />
<a href="http://www.cdc.gov/prams/2002PRAMSSurvReport/MultiStateExhibits/Multistates16.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cdc.gov/prams/2002PRAMSSurvReport/MultiStateExhibits/Multistates16.htm</a><br />
  Centers for Disease Control (CDC) Birth Data:<br />
<a href="http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/births.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/births.htm</a><br />
  2006 Median Income Data: &#8211; U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development<br />
NOTICE PDR-2006-01</p>
<p>Autism Spectrum Disorders, Asperger&#8217;s Syndrome, and Pervasive Developmental Disorders &#8211; Not Otherwise specified (PDD-NOS)<br />
Gastrointestinal Disorders also known as GER is a common comorbidity<br />
Autism patients tend to have minicolumn abnormalities and increased amounts of white matter<br />
	Casanova MF, van Kooten IA, Switala AE, Ven Engeland H, Heinsen H, Steinbusch HW, Hof PR, Trippe J, Stone J, Schmitz C. Minicolumnar abnormalities in autism.  Acta Neuropathol. 2006 Sep; 112(3); 287-303.<br />
	Mostofsky SH, Burgess MP, Larson JCG.  Increased motor cortex white matter volume predicts motor impairment in autism. Brain (2007), 130, 2117-2122</p>
<p>Maternal smoking decreased significantly between 1990 and 2002<br />
Infant suffocation deaths increased 14% per year on average between 1996 and 2004<br />
	Centers for Disease Control.  Smoking &#038; Tobacco Use &#8211; Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports (MMWRs) – Smoking During Pregnancy – United States, 1990-2002 – October 7, 2004 / Vol. 53/  No. 39 <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/MMWR/2004/mm5339_highlights.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/MMWR/2004/mm5339_highlights.htm</a><br />
	Shapiro-Mendoza CK, Kimball M, Tomashek KM, Anderson RN, Blanding S.US Infant Mortality  Trends Attributable to Accidental Suffocation and Strangulation in Bed From 1984 Through 2004: Are Rates Increasing? Pediatrics 2009;123;533-539</p>
<p>Here is a good article on diagnosing this:<br />
	Filipek P, Accardo P, Ashwal S, Baranek G, Cook E, Dawson G, Gordon B, Gravel J, Johnson C, Kallen R, Levy S, Minshew N, Ozonoff S, Prizant B, Rapin I, Rogers S, Stone W, Teplin S, Tuchman R, Volkmar F. Practice parameter: Screening and diagnosis of autism Report of the Quality Standards Subcommittee of the American Academy of Neurology and  the Child Neurology Society NEUROLOGY 2000;55:468–479  <a href="http://internet.dscc.uic.edu/forms/medicalhome/AutismRef.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://internet.dscc.uic.edu/forms/medicalhome/AutismRef.pdf</a></p>
<p>Also,<br />
SIDS, Autism, Autism Spectrum Disorder, Plagiocephaly, etc. are all<br />
conditions that the medical profession is trying to treat.<br />
The SIDS back sleep (Supine) sleep recommendations began in 1992<br />
The SIDS &#8220;Back to Sleep&#8221; campaign began in 1994.<br />
In 1996 the AAP SIDS Task Force, led by Dr. John Kattwinkel recommended the supine sleep position and not the side(lateral) or front(prone).<br />
THe Netherlands began their SIDS Back to Sleep Campaign in 1987.<br />
Sleep is necessary for memory consolidation, declarative learning, and procedural learning.</p>
<p>The following are useful articles which discuss many of these issues indepth:<br />
	American Academy of Pediatrics Task Force on Infant Positioning and SIDS.  Positioning and SIDS.  Pediatrics. 1992;89:1120-1126<br />
	Hogberg U, Bergstrom E.  Suffocated Prone:  The Iatrogenic Tragedy of SIDS.  American Journal of Public Health. 2000;90:527-531<br />
	National Infant Sleep Position Household Survey.  Summary Data.  updated:  10/16/08  Website:  <a href="http://dccwww.bumc.bu.edu/ChimeNisp/NISP_Data.asp" rel="nofollow">http://dccwww.bumc.bu.edu/ChimeNisp/NISP_Data.asp</a><br />
	Kattwinkel J, Hauck F.R., Moon R.Y., Malloy M and Willinger M Infant Death Syndrome: In Reply, Bed Sharing With Unimpaired  Parents Is Not an Important Risk for Sudden. Pediatrics 2006;117;994-996<br />
	Buzsáki, G. 1989. Two-stage model of memory trace formation: A role for “noisy” brain states. Neuroscience 31: 551–570.<br />
	Hasselmo, M.E. 1999. Neuromodulation: Acetylcholine and memory consolidation. Trends Cogn. Sci. 3: 351–359.<br />
	Wierzynski DM, Lubenov EV, Gu M, Siapas AG.  State-Dependent Spike-Timing Relationships between Hippocampal and Prefrontal Circuits during Sleep.  Neuron 61, 587-596, February 26, 2009<br />
	Walker MP, Stickgold R.  Sleep, Memory, and Plasticity.  Annu. Rev. Psychol. 2006. 57: 139-66<br />
	Gais S, Born J. Declarative memory consolidation:  Mechanisms acting during human sleep. Learn Mem. 2004 Nov-Dec; 11(6): 679-685<br />
	Davis BE, Moon RY, Sachs HC, Ottolini MC.  Effects of sleep position on infant motor development. Pediatrics. 1998 Nov; 102(5):1135-40.<br />
	Skadberg BT, Markestad T. Consequences of Getting the Head Covered During Sleep in Infancy. Pediatrics 1997;100;e6<br />
	AJ Williams, RD Jitendra, JB Phillips, Y Lin, T McCabe, FC Tortella. Neuroprotective Efficacy and Therapeutic Window of the High-Affinity N-Methyl-D-aspartate Antagonist Conantokin-G: In Vitro (Primary Cerebellar Neurons) and In Vivo (Rat Model of Transient Focal Brain Ischemia) Studies1<br />
	Stradling JR, Thomas G, Warley AR, Williams P, Freeland A. Effect of adenotonsillectomy on nocturnal hypoxaemia, sleep disturbance, and symptoms in snoring children. Lancet. 1990;335 :249 –253</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 20:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So many things to say, so little time.

@Phil Plait: Thank you very much for bringing this to everyone&#039;s attention!

@Todd W.:  You have been the most cordial, informative, and reasonable responder in this entire, long, long-winded set of responses.  Congratulations! Others here have also done their part and deserve congratulations as well.

@Anti-vaxers:  In general, I don&#039;t know where I stand on this.  Oh, vaccines are a necessity.  Don&#039;t be fooled by the BigPharma(tm) conspiracy theorists jogging about here.  Vaccine effectiveness is a fact, reality, exists, has stats, data, trials, live people (instead of dead people from pandemics and plagues), you name it.  Those saying there is no such thing are imbeciles (and I offer that slur in the most derogatory manner humanly possible).  I can only suppose that these type of people also believe that wearing glasses or contact lenses doesn&#039;t correct vision because, obviously, people who do so still can&#039;t see any better.  As noted: Head.Desk.Bang.

Go here (this is a WHO/WHA/CDC/GPEI/UNICEF/RotaryIntl. supported site):
polioeradication.org/history.asp

As probably already linked:
who.int/topics/immunization/about/en/index.html
who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs288/en/index.html
who.int/immunization/documents/positionpapers/en/index.html

Now, whether trace amounts of a mercury derivative such as Thimerosal may have contributed to the suspected onset of autism is a small percentage of cases, I&#039;m not 100% sold that it had no contribution but very close to sold.  So far, no clinical (scientifically performed) studies have made the linkage between MMR w/Thimerosal and autism except for one retracted, flawed, suspected of vested interest study by Wakefield.  That&#039;s extremely flimsy evidence even in a court of law (in which the link was also dismissed as unconvincing) on which to hang the LIFE of your children and the children with whom your children may have contact.

In other words, to avoid a very tenuous (and unsupported) possibility of your child acquiring autism from vaccinations, you would rather put your children, friends, relatives, and any other hapless human who encounters your unvaccinated children at risk of death or life-long debilitations.  Wow, that is penultimately conceited, self-centered, unempathetic, hauty, ignorant, and foolish.  What great examples to your children!

Finally, homeopathy is bull.  The hypothesis has been shown to be false.  The efficacy is 0 (zero) in a clinical sense.  The amount of active ingredient in the emulsion is 0 (zero).  After only several succusions, there is not 1 (!!!) molecule of the active ingredient left in the emulsion.  Therefore, if you are going to talk about &#039;water memory&#039; (woo woo), don&#039;t talk to me about stats, science, medicine, math, reality, facts, etc.  You are now an outright loony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So many things to say, so little time.</p>
<p>@Phil Plait: Thank you very much for bringing this to everyone&#8217;s attention!</p>
<p>@Todd W.:  You have been the most cordial, informative, and reasonable responder in this entire, long, long-winded set of responses.  Congratulations! Others here have also done their part and deserve congratulations as well.</p>
<p>@Anti-vaxers:  In general, I don&#8217;t know where I stand on this.  Oh, vaccines are a necessity.  Don&#8217;t be fooled by the BigPharma(tm) conspiracy theorists jogging about here.  Vaccine effectiveness is a fact, reality, exists, has stats, data, trials, live people (instead of dead people from pandemics and plagues), you name it.  Those saying there is no such thing are imbeciles (and I offer that slur in the most derogatory manner humanly possible).  I can only suppose that these type of people also believe that wearing glasses or contact lenses doesn&#8217;t correct vision because, obviously, people who do so still can&#8217;t see any better.  As noted: Head.Desk.Bang.</p>
<p>Go here (this is a WHO/WHA/CDC/GPEI/UNICEF/RotaryIntl. supported site):<br />
polioeradication.org/history.asp</p>
<p>As probably already linked:<br />
who.int/topics/immunization/about/en/index.html<br />
who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs288/en/index.html<br />
who.int/immunization/documents/positionpapers/en/index.html</p>
<p>Now, whether trace amounts of a mercury derivative such as Thimerosal may have contributed to the suspected onset of autism is a small percentage of cases, I&#8217;m not 100% sold that it had no contribution but very close to sold.  So far, no clinical (scientifically performed) studies have made the linkage between MMR w/Thimerosal and autism except for one retracted, flawed, suspected of vested interest study by Wakefield.  That&#8217;s extremely flimsy evidence even in a court of law (in which the link was also dismissed as unconvincing) on which to hang the LIFE of your children and the children with whom your children may have contact.</p>
<p>In other words, to avoid a very tenuous (and unsupported) possibility of your child acquiring autism from vaccinations, you would rather put your children, friends, relatives, and any other hapless human who encounters your unvaccinated children at risk of death or life-long debilitations.  Wow, that is penultimately conceited, self-centered, unempathetic, hauty, ignorant, and foolish.  What great examples to your children!</p>
<p>Finally, homeopathy is bull.  The hypothesis has been shown to be false.  The efficacy is 0 (zero) in a clinical sense.  The amount of active ingredient in the emulsion is 0 (zero).  After only several succusions, there is not 1 (!!!) molecule of the active ingredient left in the emulsion.  Therefore, if you are going to talk about &#8216;water memory&#8217; (woo woo), don&#8217;t talk to me about stats, science, medicine, math, reality, facts, etc.  You are now an outright loony.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark  Hansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark  Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 22:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lyle aka Elron, you do not then need to fear vaccinations. There are no childhood vaccines with thimerosal (aka mercury) in them. Flu vaccines may contain thimerosal but there are thimerosal free versions. BTW don&#039;t live near coal-fired power plants or sources of vulcanism (including thermal springs). There are other sources for mercury in the environment so you&#039;d better check on them as well. You might want to avoid using compact flourescent lights or flourescent tubes. Better stick to wood fires (using carefully selected wood) and candle-light (or incandescent globes if you can still find them).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyle aka Elron, you do not then need to fear vaccinations. There are no childhood vaccines with thimerosal (aka mercury) in them. Flu vaccines may contain thimerosal but there are thimerosal free versions. BTW don&#8217;t live near coal-fired power plants or sources of vulcanism (including thermal springs). There are other sources for mercury in the environment so you&#8217;d better check on them as well. You might want to avoid using compact flourescent lights or flourescent tubes. Better stick to wood fires (using carefully selected wood) and candle-light (or incandescent globes if you can still find them).</p>
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		<title>By: Lyle Bateman (aka Elron Steele)</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/04/23/jim-carrey-loves-the-pro-disease-movement/comment-page-10/#comment-180929</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyle Bateman (aka Elron Steele)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 20:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that vaccines do not cause autism, and I agree that mercury levels in vaccines that use Thimerosol are low.  That said, giving ANY quantity of mercury to a child is a bad idea ... No one questions that mercury is highly toxic to eveyone, especially to children.  At this point, I wouldn&#039;t feed my children canned tuna, or many other kinds of fish that contain such heavy metals, and I don&#039;t see why I should assume that vaccines containing mercury (or prepared using mercury) are safe for my children.

For me, the vaccination question was never about autism.  Its ALWAYS been about the fact that mercury is toxic at ANY level, especially to children, and the safest amount of mercury in a child is zero.  I think its foolish to reject all vaccinations, but I also think its pretty silly to downplay the toxicity of mercury at ANY level in products that are designed for children to ingest.

Lets be scientific about this ... mercury is toxic to children, and while we may set levels that have minimal risk, there is NO &quot;safe&quot; level of mercury in a child&#039;s diet.  I will not willingly give my child anything to ingest that was prepared with, or contains mercury, and that includes vaccines.  I believe in vaccinaing my children ... I don&#039;t believe in intentionally injecting mercury into them in conjunction with vaccines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that vaccines do not cause autism, and I agree that mercury levels in vaccines that use Thimerosol are low.  That said, giving ANY quantity of mercury to a child is a bad idea &#8230; No one questions that mercury is highly toxic to eveyone, especially to children.  At this point, I wouldn&#8217;t feed my children canned tuna, or many other kinds of fish that contain such heavy metals, and I don&#8217;t see why I should assume that vaccines containing mercury (or prepared using mercury) are safe for my children.</p>
<p>For me, the vaccination question was never about autism.  Its ALWAYS been about the fact that mercury is toxic at ANY level, especially to children, and the safest amount of mercury in a child is zero.  I think its foolish to reject all vaccinations, but I also think its pretty silly to downplay the toxicity of mercury at ANY level in products that are designed for children to ingest.</p>
<p>Lets be scientific about this &#8230; mercury is toxic to children, and while we may set levels that have minimal risk, there is NO &#8220;safe&#8221; level of mercury in a child&#8217;s diet.  I will not willingly give my child anything to ingest that was prepared with, or contains mercury, and that includes vaccines.  I believe in vaccinaing my children &#8230; I don&#8217;t believe in intentionally injecting mercury into them in conjunction with vaccines.</p>
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		<title>By: John Best</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/04/23/jim-carrey-loves-the-pro-disease-movement/comment-page-9/#comment-180528</link>
		<dc:creator>John Best</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 01:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>drksky,
Autism and Alzheimer’s are the same thing, caused by the same thing, an inability to rid oneself of metals

@John Best: Yep, got to agree with Grendel. You’ve now jumped the shark and no longer have any credibility.

Since I have cured autism by removing that mercury, I&#039;d say you&#039;re the one with zero credibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>drksky,<br />
Autism and Alzheimer’s are the same thing, caused by the same thing, an inability to rid oneself of metals</p>
<p>@John Best: Yep, got to agree with Grendel. You’ve now jumped the shark and no longer have any credibility.</p>
<p>Since I have cured autism by removing that mercury, I&#8217;d say you&#8217;re the one with zero credibility.</p>
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