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	<title>Comments on: Antivax kills.</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Anti-Vaccine, Continued &#171; The Official MU SASHA Blog, Updated Daily</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/04/antivax-kills/comment-page-5/#comment-455810</link>
		<dc:creator>Anti-Vaccine, Continued &#171; The Official MU SASHA Blog, Updated Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Your efforts against vaccination are much worse than children simply going without ice cream and a few dairy farmers having a meager quarterly profit margin. Because most parents have no training at all in statistics, and because statistics can be counter-intuitive, people will listen to just about any conspiracy theory presented to them when their children&#8217;s health is brought up. But like I said, it&#8217;s worse than just denying your kids ice cream: Children are getting diseases that public health officials are dismayed to see back in circulation, after we thought we&#8217;d effectively wiped them out&#8211; diseases like measles, mumps, rubella, and yes, polio too. The fact is, anti-vax kills. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Your efforts against vaccination are much worse than children simply going without ice cream and a few dairy farmers having a meager quarterly profit margin. Because most parents have no training at all in statistics, and because statistics can be counter-intuitive, people will listen to just about any conspiracy theory presented to them when their children&#8217;s health is brought up. But like I said, it&#8217;s worse than just denying your kids ice cream: Children are getting diseases that public health officials are dismayed to see back in circulation, after we thought we&#8217;d effectively wiped them out&#8211; diseases like measles, mumps, rubella, and yes, polio too. The fact is, anti-vax kills. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anti-vaccination hoaxes and the growing body count from nonsense (October 14) &#124; Nonsense! (And why it’s so popular)</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/04/antivax-kills/comment-page-5/#comment-426034</link>
		<dc:creator>Anti-vaccination hoaxes and the growing body count from nonsense (October 14) &#124; Nonsense! (And why it’s so popular)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 00:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] let&#8217;s remember that public health is suffering as vaccination rates drop &#8212; that the anti-vaccination movement has led to needless death and disability. Jenny McCarthy, the most prominent celebrity spreading hysteria and pseudoscience about [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] let&#8217;s remember that public health is suffering as vaccination rates drop &#8212; that the anti-vaccination movement has led to needless death and disability. Jenny McCarthy, the most prominent celebrity spreading hysteria and pseudoscience about [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Is It True</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/04/antivax-kills/comment-page-5/#comment-383830</link>
		<dc:creator>Is It True</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 20:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a young teen girl with Aspergers, I can say this: having done plenty of my own studies about what autism is and how it works and so on and so forth, I have reached the obvious conclusion that vaccines don&#039;t cause autism. How could it? How could a bunch of half-dying microorganisms that the body attacks with vigor, cause a NEUROLOGICAL DISORDER that affects the brain while it is still developing IN THE WOMB? Are these bacteria capable of time-travel?

Knowing the ignorance and stupidity of the anti-vaccination crowd, I&#039;m certain that a few would stand up and say &quot;maybe!&quot;. Please. I might be autistic, but I&#039;m not dead, blind, paralyzed, deaf, constantly sick, on a respirator, on a dialysis machine, looking for an organ donor...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a young teen girl with Aspergers, I can say this: having done plenty of my own studies about what autism is and how it works and so on and so forth, I have reached the obvious conclusion that vaccines don&#8217;t cause autism. How could it? How could a bunch of half-dying microorganisms that the body attacks with vigor, cause a NEUROLOGICAL DISORDER that affects the brain while it is still developing IN THE WOMB? Are these bacteria capable of time-travel?</p>
<p>Knowing the ignorance and stupidity of the anti-vaccination crowd, I&#8217;m certain that a few would stand up and say &#8220;maybe!&#8221;. Please. I might be autistic, but I&#8217;m not dead, blind, paralyzed, deaf, constantly sick, on a respirator, on a dialysis machine, looking for an organ donor&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lord Death</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/04/antivax-kills/comment-page-5/#comment-369265</link>
		<dc:creator>Lord Death</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 09:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A realization:

Intelligent people shouldn&#039;t be doing anything against the antivax movement.

No.

We should be ENCOURAGING IT.

How about them apples, you idiotic delusional religionists?  Go right ahead and deny vaccines to your children.

I want you to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A realization:</p>
<p>Intelligent people shouldn&#8217;t be doing anything against the antivax movement.</p>
<p>No.</p>
<p>We should be ENCOURAGING IT.</p>
<p>How about them apples, you idiotic delusional religionists?  Go right ahead and deny vaccines to your children.</p>
<p>I want you to.</p>
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		<title>By: Shani</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/04/antivax-kills/comment-page-5/#comment-361844</link>
		<dc:creator>Shani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 06:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bidbadsis, I can&#039;t believe that you would assume parents would risk thier childrens lives because they don&#039;t want to stick them with a needle. How ridiculous. As a parent myself I think every medical decision should be thouroughly reserched, and every parent should be allowed to make their own decisions. No procedure should be undertaken blindly. This basic right should NOT be taken away from parents.
As a small child my eldest brother suffered a SEVERE reaction to one of his immunisations and almost died, so don&#039;t give those poor eople who are afraid of the same thing happening to thier child such a hard time !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bidbadsis, I can&#8217;t believe that you would assume parents would risk thier childrens lives because they don&#8217;t want to stick them with a needle. How ridiculous. As a parent myself I think every medical decision should be thouroughly reserched, and every parent should be allowed to make their own decisions. No procedure should be undertaken blindly. This basic right should NOT be taken away from parents.<br />
As a small child my eldest brother suffered a SEVERE reaction to one of his immunisations and almost died, so don&#8217;t give those poor eople who are afraid of the same thing happening to thier child such a hard time !</p>
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		<title>By: The hollow dispute over vaccines &#171; Keystone Society for Rational Inquiry</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/04/antivax-kills/comment-page-5/#comment-354880</link>
		<dc:creator>The hollow dispute over vaccines &#171; Keystone Society for Rational Inquiry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 20:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Uneasy rider</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/04/antivax-kills/comment-page-5/#comment-293492</link>
		<dc:creator>Uneasy rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] interestingly, one of their primary pillars appears to be exploiting the ungrounded and dangerous fears of the antivaxer movement alongside the religion card. From their website (emphasis theirs, obviously): Economics, home [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] interestingly, one of their primary pillars appears to be exploiting the ungrounded and dangerous fears of the antivaxer movement alongside the religion card. From their website (emphasis theirs, obviously): Economics, home [...]</p>
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		<title>By: OCCAM &#187; Campaña antivacunación&#8230; lo que nos faltaba&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/04/antivax-kills/comment-page-5/#comment-257254</link>
		<dc:creator>OCCAM &#187; Campaña antivacunación&#8230; lo que nos faltaba&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 14:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] niños/as quienes pagan la consecuencia de haber nacido rodeados/as por ignorantes. Ver por ejemplo aquí o [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Randall Wilks</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/04/antivax-kills/comment-page-5/#comment-246016</link>
		<dc:creator>Randall Wilks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YouTube has removed the video because of &quot;terms of use violation&quot;. Is this video posted anywhere else? It needs to be seen by a great many people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YouTube has removed the video because of &#8220;terms of use violation&#8221;. Is this video posted anywhere else? It needs to be seen by a great many people.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Topp and the Big Bad Blog &#187; 10:23 &#8211; Participant&#8217;s Perspective</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/04/antivax-kills/comment-page-5/#comment-242399</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Topp and the Big Bad Blog &#187; 10:23 &#8211; Participant&#8217;s Perspective</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of HIV/AIDS.  Or the anti-Vaccination crowd bringing back in fashion easily preventable childhood illnesses.  Alternative treatments, in that light, are certainly very, very [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of HIV/AIDS.  Or the anti-Vaccination crowd bringing back in fashion easily preventable childhood illnesses.  Alternative treatments, in that light, are certainly very, very [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Top Celebrity Dumbasses of 2009 &#124; mondojohnson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/04/antivax-kills/comment-page-5/#comment-238363</link>
		<dc:creator>Top Celebrity Dumbasses of 2009 &#124; mondojohnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] anti-vaccination campaign &#8212; these are much bigger celebs and a much bigger controversy. (See Phil Plaitt&#8217;s posts at Bad Astronomy for some good info on the subject.)Related articles by ZemantaRoger Moore [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] anti-vaccination campaign &#8212; these are much bigger celebs and a much bigger controversy. (See Phil Plaitt&#8217;s posts at Bad Astronomy for some good info on the subject.)Related articles by ZemantaRoger Moore [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Paging Dr. Zombie Carl Sagan&#8230;&#8221; &#171; Guns, Germs and Blogs</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/04/antivax-kills/comment-page-5/#comment-235770</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;Paging Dr. Zombie Carl Sagan&#8230;&#8221; &#171; Guns, Germs and Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/04/antivax-kills/#comment-235770</guid>
		<description>[...] &#8212; witness the anti-vaccination &#8220;movement&#8221; &#8212; that can have frankly deadly results like a resurgence in polio, measles, and whooping cough, which science had essentially defeated [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8212; witness the anti-vaccination &#8220;movement&#8221; &#8212; that can have frankly deadly results like a resurgence in polio, measles, and whooping cough, which science had essentially defeated [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rogue Medic</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/04/antivax-kills/comment-page-5/#comment-217521</link>
		<dc:creator>Rogue Medic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 06:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>beware of the new world order,

&lt;blockquote&gt;i think people are very dumb and brained washed&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Or maybe it is just you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>beware of the new world order,</p>
<blockquote><p>i think people are very dumb and brained washed</p></blockquote>
<p>Or maybe it is just you.</p>
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		<title>By: Australia&#8217;s ABC promotes health threats &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/04/antivax-kills/comment-page-5/#comment-214285</link>
		<dc:creator>Australia&#8217;s ABC promotes health threats &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] atrocious, and outrageously bad journalism. They quote notorious antivaxxer Meryl Dorey &#8212; yeah, her &#8212; without barely a nod to reality (just mentioning at the very end that Dorey and her antivax [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] atrocious, and outrageously bad journalism. They quote notorious antivaxxer Meryl Dorey &#8212; yeah, her &#8212; without barely a nod to reality (just mentioning at the very end that Dorey and her antivax [...]</p>
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		<title>By: beware of the new world order</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/04/antivax-kills/comment-page-5/#comment-210566</link>
		<dc:creator>beware of the new world order</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 05:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think people are very dumb and brained washed about vaccines do you ever read what poisons they put in them like mercury and  embalming fluid  many more !go read what is in vaccines ,vaccines can kill and really cause damage in some people !they run no test first to even see if you are allergic to it!!!!!like baby ian and the hep b vaccine.i say read what is in the vaccine first and i know you will have second thoughts !big pharma makes billions off this !its profit they need you sick to make money wake up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think people are very dumb and brained washed about vaccines do you ever read what poisons they put in them like mercury and  embalming fluid  many more !go read what is in vaccines ,vaccines can kill and really cause damage in some people !they run no test first to even see if you are allergic to it!!!!!like baby ian and the hep b vaccine.i say read what is in the vaccine first and i know you will have second thoughts !big pharma makes billions off this !its profit they need you sick to make money wake up!</p>
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		<title>By: Compulsory Ignorance: More Anti-Vax Propaganda From The AVN &#171; The Merseyside Skeptics Society</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/04/antivax-kills/comment-page-5/#comment-210125</link>
		<dc:creator>Compulsory Ignorance: More Anti-Vax Propaganda From The AVN &#171; The Merseyside Skeptics Society</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A couple of weeks ago, I reported on the Australian Skeptics and their battle with the Australian Vaccination Network.  The AVN are a &#8216;pro-choice&#8217; organisation which promotes the spread of information and debate on vaccines. No, wait, sorry, I&#8217;ve got that completely wrong &#8211; they&#8217;re a deceitful, weaselly organisation spreading misinformation, rumour and lies when it comes to vaccination. Led by Meryl Dorey, the AVN have made dangerous and deceitful claims that nobody dies of whooping cough, that the swine flu pandemic was planned and deliberate and that  the MMR vaccine causes autism. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A couple of weeks ago, I reported on the Australian Skeptics and their battle with the Australian Vaccination Network.  The AVN are a &#8216;pro-choice&#8217; organisation which promotes the spread of information and debate on vaccines. No, wait, sorry, I&#8217;ve got that completely wrong &#8211; they&#8217;re a deceitful, weaselly organisation spreading misinformation, rumour and lies when it comes to vaccination. Led by Meryl Dorey, the AVN have made dangerous and deceitful claims that nobody dies of whooping cough, that the swine flu pandemic was planned and deliberate and that  the MMR vaccine causes autism. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: the fallout from medical luddism &#124; weird things</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/04/antivax-kills/comment-page-5/#comment-209823</link>
		<dc:creator>the fallout from medical luddism &#124; weird things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is too low for herd immunity and suppressed infectious illnesses are making a comeback. Take a look at this segment from the Australian talk show Sunday [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Aussies Fight Back Against Anti-Vaccine Nonsense &#171; Skepfeeds-The Best Skeptical blogs of the day</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/04/antivax-kills/comment-page-5/#comment-205892</link>
		<dc:creator>Aussies Fight Back Against Anti-Vaccine Nonsense &#171; Skepfeeds-The Best Skeptical blogs of the day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What touched this off was a story on Australia’s Channel Seven over the tragic death of Dana McCa....   Dana was only four weeks old when she caught whooping cough, the disease that would ultimately kill her.  This disease was almost eliminated in most of the industrial world decades ago but is making a comeback.   At such a young age, Dana had not yet received the vaccination that would have saved her life, and thus was counting on the “herd immunity” of the community to keep her safe and healthy. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] What touched this off was a story on Australia’s Channel Seven over the tragic death of Dana McCa&#8230;.   Dana was only four weeks old when she caught whooping cough, the disease that would ultimately kill her.  This disease was almost eliminated in most of the industrial world decades ago but is making a comeback.   At such a young age, Dana had not yet received the vaccination that would have saved her life, and thus was counting on the “herd immunity” of the community to keep her safe and healthy. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The AVN is reaping what they sowed &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/04/antivax-kills/comment-page-5/#comment-204552</link>
		<dc:creator>The AVN is reaping what they sowed &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] children because it&#8217;s profitable for them. She says that, even though on that live TV program she sat a few feet away from Toni and David McCaffery, parents who had just lost their four week old daughter to pertussis because she was too young to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Todd W.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/04/antivax-kills/comment-page-5/#comment-202125</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 20:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@anon

&lt;blockquote&gt;Historically some children have been harmed by some vaccines. Public health officials will say that these instances are rare, which may be true, but is of little consolation to the child affected, or his or her parents.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

True.  As with every medicinal product, there is a risk of harm.  And I would agree that telling that to an injured person or their parent/family is of little consolation.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Mocking celebrities and parents is not sufficient though to beat concerned parents into submission.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Who is &quot;beat[ing] concerned parents into submission&quot;?

&lt;blockquote&gt;It is also necessary to ignore credible health officials, researchers and professionals who argue that the existing state of science does not actually disprove any connection between vaccines and autism.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Here&#039;s where your logic fails.  Researchers cannot approach the issue, stating the problem as: &quot;Prove that vaccines don&#039;t cause autism&quot;.  That is impossible.  The best that can be accomplished (as has been done) is to show that &lt;i&gt;if&lt;/i&gt; vaccines were truly involved in autism, it is so exceedingly rare that such a connection has never shown up in any of the studies that has looked at it; therefore, while still &lt;i&gt;possible&lt;/i&gt;, it is highly improbable.  The correct way to approach it is to attempt to prove, not that vaccines &lt;i&gt;do not&lt;/i&gt; cause autism, but that vaccines &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; cause autism.  You&#039;re asking the wrong question.

&lt;blockquote&gt;While Jenny gets much ink from the “vaccines are sacred and shall not be questioned” crowd Dr. Bernadine Healy and Dr. Jon Poling who have stated that some vulnerable children may incur autism from vaccines are all ignored.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s because all they have offered is opinion.  They have not offered &lt;i&gt;evidence&lt;/i&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;While the vaccine court decisions in which no vaccine autism connection is found are trumpeted far and wide …. and loudly, the cases like Banks and Poling, where the government folded their hand and settled before a media attracting court decision could ensure are ignored.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Interesting that you should bring up Banks and Poling, the two cases that anti-vaxers love to trot out.  First, let&#039;s look at the Poling case.  This is the latter of the two cases, but the one that anti-vaxers first trotted out.  The flaw with using this case is that the court decision was not that vaccines caused autism, but rather, that vaccines worsened an already existing mitochondrial disorder (MD) (note: &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; autism).  Bear in mind that MD and autism do not go hand in hand.  There are those with MD who do not have autism, just as there may be others like Hannah Poling who have MD and have been diagnosed with autism.  Likewise, there are those with autism who do not have MD, and others who may have it.

The Banks case was only brought out after it was shown that the Poling case did not support the anti-vax argument.  In fact, IIRC, it was several years &lt;i&gt;after&lt;/i&gt; the Banks case that anti-vaxers started citing it.  In the Banks case, remember, it was a finding that a vaccine cause acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM), which is listed as a rare side effect in the vaccine&#039;s packaging.  Again, ADEM is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; autism.

These two cases are not ignored.  Rather, it is continually pointed out that they are &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; examples of the courts handing down a &quot;vaccines cause autism&quot; ruling.

&lt;blockquote&gt;When people like Dr. Bernadine Healy and Dr. Jon Poling argue that some autism cases might result from vaccination of some vulnerable children I am not inclined to disregard their comments.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, when they produce some science to back up their opinions, then I&#039;ll take a listen to them.  Until then, they are not helping anything.  Indeed, they are just fanning the flames of the anti-vax movement.</description>
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<blockquote><p>Historically some children have been harmed by some vaccines. Public health officials will say that these instances are rare, which may be true, but is of little consolation to the child affected, or his or her parents.</p></blockquote>
<p>True.  As with every medicinal product, there is a risk of harm.  And I would agree that telling that to an injured person or their parent/family is of little consolation.</p>
<blockquote><p>Mocking celebrities and parents is not sufficient though to beat concerned parents into submission.</p></blockquote>
<p>Who is &#8220;beat[ing] concerned parents into submission&#8221;?</p>
<blockquote><p>It is also necessary to ignore credible health officials, researchers and professionals who argue that the existing state of science does not actually disprove any connection between vaccines and autism.</p></blockquote>
<p>Here&#8217;s where your logic fails.  Researchers cannot approach the issue, stating the problem as: &#8220;Prove that vaccines don&#8217;t cause autism&#8221;.  That is impossible.  The best that can be accomplished (as has been done) is to show that <i>if</i> vaccines were truly involved in autism, it is so exceedingly rare that such a connection has never shown up in any of the studies that has looked at it; therefore, while still <i>possible</i>, it is highly improbable.  The correct way to approach it is to attempt to prove, not that vaccines <i>do not</i> cause autism, but that vaccines <i>do</i> cause autism.  You&#8217;re asking the wrong question.</p>
<blockquote><p>While Jenny gets much ink from the “vaccines are sacred and shall not be questioned” crowd Dr. Bernadine Healy and Dr. Jon Poling who have stated that some vulnerable children may incur autism from vaccines are all ignored.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s because all they have offered is opinion.  They have not offered <i>evidence</i>.</p>
<blockquote><p>While the vaccine court decisions in which no vaccine autism connection is found are trumpeted far and wide …. and loudly, the cases like Banks and Poling, where the government folded their hand and settled before a media attracting court decision could ensure are ignored.</p></blockquote>
<p>Interesting that you should bring up Banks and Poling, the two cases that anti-vaxers love to trot out.  First, let&#8217;s look at the Poling case.  This is the latter of the two cases, but the one that anti-vaxers first trotted out.  The flaw with using this case is that the court decision was not that vaccines caused autism, but rather, that vaccines worsened an already existing mitochondrial disorder (MD) (note: <i>not</i> autism).  Bear in mind that MD and autism do not go hand in hand.  There are those with MD who do not have autism, just as there may be others like Hannah Poling who have MD and have been diagnosed with autism.  Likewise, there are those with autism who do not have MD, and others who may have it.</p>
<p>The Banks case was only brought out after it was shown that the Poling case did not support the anti-vax argument.  In fact, IIRC, it was several years <i>after</i> the Banks case that anti-vaxers started citing it.  In the Banks case, remember, it was a finding that a vaccine cause acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM), which is listed as a rare side effect in the vaccine&#8217;s packaging.  Again, ADEM is <i>not</i> autism.</p>
<p>These two cases are not ignored.  Rather, it is continually pointed out that they are <i>not</i> examples of the courts handing down a &#8220;vaccines cause autism&#8221; ruling.</p>
<blockquote><p>When people like Dr. Bernadine Healy and Dr. Jon Poling argue that some autism cases might result from vaccination of some vulnerable children I am not inclined to disregard their comments.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, when they produce some science to back up their opinions, then I&#8217;ll take a listen to them.  Until then, they are not helping anything.  Indeed, they are just fanning the flames of the anti-vax movement.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Historically some children have been harmed by some vaccines. Public health officials will say that these instances are rare, which may be true, but is of little consolation to the child affected, or his or her parents.  

Mocking celebrities and parents is not sufficient though to beat concerned parents into submission. It is also necessary to ignore credible health officials, researchers and professionals who argue that the existing state of science does not actually disprove any connection between vaccines and autism. While Jenny gets much ink from the &quot;vaccines are sacred and shall not be questioned&quot; crowd Dr. Bernadine Healy and Dr. Jon Poling who have stated that some vulnerable children may incur autism from vaccines are all ignored. While the vaccine court decisions in which no vaccine autism connection is found are trumpeted far and wide .... and loudly, the cases like Banks and Poling, where the government folded their hand and settled before a media attracting court decision could ensure are ignored.

I am not convinced that vaccines, and their ingredients, cause or contribute to instances of autism although I suspect they might be in some cases just as I suspect other environmental triggers might be involved. I am no longer convinced though, as I once was, by public health official statements that the science is complete, that all the research has been done and that vaccines are not, and never are, involved in causing or triggering autism. When people like Dr. Bernadine Healy and Dr. Jon Poling argue that some autism cases might result from vaccination of some vulnerable children I am not inclined to disregard their comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Historically some children have been harmed by some vaccines. Public health officials will say that these instances are rare, which may be true, but is of little consolation to the child affected, or his or her parents.  </p>
<p>Mocking celebrities and parents is not sufficient though to beat concerned parents into submission. It is also necessary to ignore credible health officials, researchers and professionals who argue that the existing state of science does not actually disprove any connection between vaccines and autism. While Jenny gets much ink from the &#8220;vaccines are sacred and shall not be questioned&#8221; crowd Dr. Bernadine Healy and Dr. Jon Poling who have stated that some vulnerable children may incur autism from vaccines are all ignored. While the vaccine court decisions in which no vaccine autism connection is found are trumpeted far and wide &#8230;. and loudly, the cases like Banks and Poling, where the government folded their hand and settled before a media attracting court decision could ensure are ignored.</p>
<p>I am not convinced that vaccines, and their ingredients, cause or contribute to instances of autism although I suspect they might be in some cases just as I suspect other environmental triggers might be involved. I am no longer convinced though, as I once was, by public health official statements that the science is complete, that all the research has been done and that vaccines are not, and never are, involved in causing or triggering autism. When people like Dr. Bernadine Healy and Dr. Jon Poling argue that some autism cases might result from vaccination of some vulnerable children I am not inclined to disregard their comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Some alt-med quickies &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/04/antivax-kills/comment-page-5/#comment-201986</link>
		<dc:creator>Some alt-med quickies &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 14:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 4) More bad press for the Australian antivaxxers, who have been so successful that people Down Under &#8212; including at least one baby &#8212; have been dying. This particular page was sent to me by David McCaffery. Yes, that David McCaffery. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 4) More bad press for the Australian antivaxxers, who have been so successful that people Down Under &#8212; including at least one baby &#8212; have been dying. This particular page was sent to me by David McCaffery. Yes, that David McCaffery. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Den dödliga propagandan sprider sig till Sverige &#171; Tankebrott</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/04/antivax-kills/comment-page-5/#comment-195273</link>
		<dc:creator>Den dödliga propagandan sprider sig till Sverige &#171; Tankebrott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] under tiden man &#8220;avvaktar&#8221; riskerar man att se sitt barn insjukna i dödliga sjukdomar och även att andra barn dör på grund av all denna dödliga propaganda som sprids av ansvarslösa vaccinmotståndare. Kritiskt [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] under tiden man &#8220;avvaktar&#8221; riskerar man att se sitt barn insjukna i dödliga sjukdomar och även att andra barn dör på grund av all denna dödliga propaganda som sprids av ansvarslösa vaccinmotståndare. Kritiskt [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Incunabulog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; It&#8217;s kooky, but it&#8217;s harmless. Right?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Incunabulog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; It&#8217;s kooky, but it&#8217;s harmless. Right?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this:- David McCaffery writes about his daughter, Dana, who was four weeks old when she died. Too young [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Should vaccines be compulsory? &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/04/antivax-kills/comment-page-5/#comment-188381</link>
		<dc:creator>Should vaccines be compulsory? &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] You also have the right to believe in the antivaccinations movement&#8217;s nonsense, even when they lie. But that right ends when kids&#8217; lives are at stake. And in this case, if we don&#8217;t have enough people vaccinated against diseases like measles, pertussis, and polio, we will see a resurgence of them and kids will die. It&#8217;s that simple. We have the evidence. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] You also have the right to believe in the antivaccinations movement&#8217;s nonsense, even when they lie. But that right ends when kids&#8217; lives are at stake. And in this case, if we don&#8217;t have enough people vaccinated against diseases like measles, pertussis, and polio, we will see a resurgence of them and kids will die. It&#8217;s that simple. We have the evidence. [...]</p>
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