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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Todd W.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/13/afternoon-quickies/comment-page-1/#comment-184281</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 14:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ann

One must look at herbs with a skeptical eye.  Why?  Because no reliable studies have been done to show that a) they actually do what the marketers claim they can do, b) they are actually safe in the amounts sold, c) that the products that are sold are pure and actually contain the amounts claimed on the labels and d) that they do not adversely interact with other medicines or each other.  It&#039;s already been shown that certain herbs (e.g., St. John&#039;s Wort) decrease the efficacy of some medicines.  There are no regulations in place requiring herbal manufacturers to prove either safety or efficacy, either, so it&#039;s ultimately buyer beware, an area ripe for fleecing the gullible.

That&#039;s not to say that herbs do not have health benefits.  Some likely do, and when the studies are done to investigate their effects, then they can legitimately become part of the medical arsenal and move from the world of &quot;alternative medicine&quot; to real medicine.  Unfortunately, anecdotes such as yours don&#039;t matter much when it comes to the science.  I&#039;ll not dispute your experience, but it is not evidence that herbs work.  I eat pretty crappy, too, yet I&#039;m in pretty good health.  Nothing wrong with me.  No chronic illnesses.  No medications.  No herbs, either.  In the anecdote game, my story&#039;s worth just as much as yours.  In science, my story, like yours, also counts for nothing, without proper controls to figure out just what factors are influencing my health.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Vibrating strings of energy no less. Sounds fantastical. Sounds magical. And so it is. Of course there is no Evidence for string theory as yet. So it is only a theory.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, it&#039;s an hypothesis, not a theory.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Does that make it untrue. Or unproven. There is a distinction.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Agreed that there is a distinction.  It is currently unproven.  Until it is proven, if ever, it should not be the basis for decision-making.  Same with medical choices, without proof (or at least an abundance of evidence), it is unwise to pursue untested treatments.  More often than not, it&#039;ll have no real effect.  At worst, it can have serious negative health consequences that are unforeseen due to the lack of proper investigation.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The studies you cite only prove that Jenny McCarthy can’t prove that the shots her child got caused his autism. The only way you can really PROVE that she is wrong is to find the actual cause of autism. Make it so!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Already being done.  There are several studies that have found certain genetic components that are involved.  Congenital rubella syndrome is also a risk factor.  Another study suggests that insufficient amounts of vitamin D may also play a role.  These areas all need further inquiry before we come to any kind of definitive answer, but the work &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; being done.  All McCarthy and her like do is distract from the real work by calling for more and more studies into a &quot;cause&quot; for which there is zero evidence.  It&#039;s like asking people to keep looking for the invisible pink unicorn in my garage that keeps making the gas in my car disappear, all the while ignoring the people pointing at my kid as he takes my car for a joy ride on a nightly basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ann</p>
<p>One must look at herbs with a skeptical eye.  Why?  Because no reliable studies have been done to show that a) they actually do what the marketers claim they can do, b) they are actually safe in the amounts sold, c) that the products that are sold are pure and actually contain the amounts claimed on the labels and d) that they do not adversely interact with other medicines or each other.  It&#8217;s already been shown that certain herbs (e.g., St. John&#8217;s Wort) decrease the efficacy of some medicines.  There are no regulations in place requiring herbal manufacturers to prove either safety or efficacy, either, so it&#8217;s ultimately buyer beware, an area ripe for fleecing the gullible.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say that herbs do not have health benefits.  Some likely do, and when the studies are done to investigate their effects, then they can legitimately become part of the medical arsenal and move from the world of &#8220;alternative medicine&#8221; to real medicine.  Unfortunately, anecdotes such as yours don&#8217;t matter much when it comes to the science.  I&#8217;ll not dispute your experience, but it is not evidence that herbs work.  I eat pretty crappy, too, yet I&#8217;m in pretty good health.  Nothing wrong with me.  No chronic illnesses.  No medications.  No herbs, either.  In the anecdote game, my story&#8217;s worth just as much as yours.  In science, my story, like yours, also counts for nothing, without proper controls to figure out just what factors are influencing my health.</p>
<blockquote><p>Vibrating strings of energy no less. Sounds fantastical. Sounds magical. And so it is. Of course there is no Evidence for string theory as yet. So it is only a theory.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, it&#8217;s an hypothesis, not a theory.</p>
<blockquote><p>Does that make it untrue. Or unproven. There is a distinction.</p></blockquote>
<p>Agreed that there is a distinction.  It is currently unproven.  Until it is proven, if ever, it should not be the basis for decision-making.  Same with medical choices, without proof (or at least an abundance of evidence), it is unwise to pursue untested treatments.  More often than not, it&#8217;ll have no real effect.  At worst, it can have serious negative health consequences that are unforeseen due to the lack of proper investigation.</p>
<blockquote><p>The studies you cite only prove that Jenny McCarthy can’t prove that the shots her child got caused his autism. The only way you can really PROVE that she is wrong is to find the actual cause of autism. Make it so!</p></blockquote>
<p>Already being done.  There are several studies that have found certain genetic components that are involved.  Congenital rubella syndrome is also a risk factor.  Another study suggests that insufficient amounts of vitamin D may also play a role.  These areas all need further inquiry before we come to any kind of definitive answer, but the work <i>is</i> being done.  All McCarthy and her like do is distract from the real work by calling for more and more studies into a &#8220;cause&#8221; for which there is zero evidence.  It&#8217;s like asking people to keep looking for the invisible pink unicorn in my garage that keeps making the gas in my car disappear, all the while ignoring the people pointing at my kid as he takes my car for a joy ride on a nightly basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/13/afternoon-quickies/comment-page-1/#comment-184270</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 14:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In defense of woo-woo ( I think this is the technical name) medicine.   I&#039;ve taken herbs for years.  I don&#039;t see doctors often because I just don&#039;t need to.   The herbs I take are ayurvedic, not terribly expensive and when I had to have a physical recently the doctor presiding over it  she asked me what medications I take and I told her none she looked at me as if to say, how can that be?  I told that I take herbs and she literally wrote down the name of the herbs and the company that I get them from so as to see if they couldn&#039;t be helpful to a friend of hers who was in bad shape.    I have terrible lifestyle habits and I eat processed crap.   I see herbs as a form of supplemental nutrition as our modern diets can often be processed crap.  Much as I love processed crap, you need a bit more to stay healthy.   The point is that modern medicine and science tend to focus on a small part of a person while ignoring overall health.  Like science dividing all of the natural world into &quot;specialties&quot; , break it down into its smaller parts in order to understand it.  But the world doesn&#039;t really work that way and sometimes by taking this approach they do it at the expense of understanding how all the various parts fit together.  That is what woo-woo medicine and Dr. Oz are responding too.  As to vaccinations of children, that is a public health issue so I think that limits the reasonable options of parents.  But I can&#039;t see why whatever the concerns are cannot be addressed and acted on so as to allay fears rather than acting as if you are outing Uri Geller.   All you do is alienate those you say you want to help.   Or is it just that you want us to admire your magnificent cortex or something.  By the way, does not string theory posit that at its core, everything really is energy.  Vibrating strings of energy no less.  Sounds fantastical.  Sounds magical.  And so it is.   Of course there is no Evidence for string theory as yet.  So it is only a theory.   Does that make it untrue.   Or unproven.  There is a distinction.   The studies you cite only prove that Jenny McCarthy can&#039;t prove that the shots her child got caused his autism.  The only way you can really PROVE that she is wrong is to find the actual cause of autism.  Make it so!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In defense of woo-woo ( I think this is the technical name) medicine.   I&#8217;ve taken herbs for years.  I don&#8217;t see doctors often because I just don&#8217;t need to.   The herbs I take are ayurvedic, not terribly expensive and when I had to have a physical recently the doctor presiding over it  she asked me what medications I take and I told her none she looked at me as if to say, how can that be?  I told that I take herbs and she literally wrote down the name of the herbs and the company that I get them from so as to see if they couldn&#8217;t be helpful to a friend of hers who was in bad shape.    I have terrible lifestyle habits and I eat processed crap.   I see herbs as a form of supplemental nutrition as our modern diets can often be processed crap.  Much as I love processed crap, you need a bit more to stay healthy.   The point is that modern medicine and science tend to focus on a small part of a person while ignoring overall health.  Like science dividing all of the natural world into &#8220;specialties&#8221; , break it down into its smaller parts in order to understand it.  But the world doesn&#8217;t really work that way and sometimes by taking this approach they do it at the expense of understanding how all the various parts fit together.  That is what woo-woo medicine and Dr. Oz are responding too.  As to vaccinations of children, that is a public health issue so I think that limits the reasonable options of parents.  But I can&#8217;t see why whatever the concerns are cannot be addressed and acted on so as to allay fears rather than acting as if you are outing Uri Geller.   All you do is alienate those you say you want to help.   Or is it just that you want us to admire your magnificent cortex or something.  By the way, does not string theory posit that at its core, everything really is energy.  Vibrating strings of energy no less.  Sounds fantastical.  Sounds magical.  And so it is.   Of course there is no Evidence for string theory as yet.  So it is only a theory.   Does that make it untrue.   Or unproven.  There is a distinction.   The studies you cite only prove that Jenny McCarthy can&#8217;t prove that the shots her child got caused his autism.  The only way you can really PROVE that she is wrong is to find the actual cause of autism.  Make it so!</p>
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		<title>By: Buzz Parsec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buzz Parsec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 05:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich, theoretically &quot;Yes&quot; (I think that was the original plan when they launched it), but all the remaining shuttle flights are booked, and hopefully Hubble will still be working fine long after the last one, so in practical terms, no way.

NASA recently announced that as of the end of this month, they are going to let the contracts lapse on long lead time shuttle parts, so unless something happens REAL SOON (such as congress passes a supplemental budget or the White House redirects some funding), it will cost a lot more and/or cause a large gap in flights to run the shuttle program past next year.   At the news conference they didn&#039;t specifically list the parts involved (they said because the companies involved haven&#039;t told their employees yet), but there are loads of parts that need to be replaced on the shuttle after each flight, such as the tires and various engine components, and the entire external tank, complete with plumbing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich, theoretically &#8220;Yes&#8221; (I think that was the original plan when they launched it), but all the remaining shuttle flights are booked, and hopefully Hubble will still be working fine long after the last one, so in practical terms, no way.</p>
<p>NASA recently announced that as of the end of this month, they are going to let the contracts lapse on long lead time shuttle parts, so unless something happens REAL SOON (such as congress passes a supplemental budget or the White House redirects some funding), it will cost a lot more and/or cause a large gap in flights to run the shuttle program past next year.   At the news conference they didn&#8217;t specifically list the parts involved (they said because the companies involved haven&#8217;t told their employees yet), but there are loads of parts that need to be replaced on the shuttle after each flight, such as the tires and various engine components, and the entire external tank, complete with plumbing.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 15:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The masculine/feminine illusion really worked for me, but then I already knew that I&#039;m attracted to high contrast faces (think about make-up, it&#039;s mostly about increasing contrast). Funny how we&#039;ve evolved to have so many varied cues for sexual attraction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The masculine/feminine illusion really worked for me, but then I already knew that I&#8217;m attracted to high contrast faces (think about make-up, it&#8217;s mostly about increasing contrast). Funny how we&#8217;ve evolved to have so many varied cues for sexual attraction.</p>
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		<title>By: glued</title>
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		<dc:creator>glued</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 15:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another Cracked gem that you guys might like:

http://www.cracked.com/blog/dont-listen-to-jenny-mccarthy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another Cracked gem that you guys might like:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cracked.com/blog/dont-listen-to-jenny-mccarthy" rel="nofollow">http://www.cracked.com/blog/dont-listen-to-jenny-mccarthy</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gumba Masta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gumba Masta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 00:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and PS
What are faith based book clubs?
You place an order and hope the book gets deliverd?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and PS<br />
What are faith based book clubs?<br />
You place an order and hope the book gets deliverd?</p>
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		<title>By: Gumba Masta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gumba Masta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 00:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I want to know is, do they also put some rocket boosters on the Hubble Telescope so that they can blast it off into infinity on a fantastic journey when it&#039;s final days of service come or will they just have a controlled break up on re-entry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I want to know is, do they also put some rocket boosters on the Hubble Telescope so that they can blast it off into infinity on a fantastic journey when it&#8217;s final days of service come or will they just have a controlled break up on re-entry?</p>
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