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	<title>Comments on: Seth Shostak on Colbert tonight!</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: T.E.L.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/20/seth-shostak-on-colbert-tonight/comment-page-2/#comment-185159</link>
		<dc:creator>T.E.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 16:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daffy Said:

&quot;Well, whatever you say. In the absence of any evidence for Earth being unique, as far as I can see intelligent life on Earth clearly indicates it is possible elsewhere. To assume otherwise requires facts not in evidence.&quot;

In probability there&#039;s a world of difference between possible and probable. Even though it&#039;s possible for me to win the Powerball jackpot, I&#039;d be foolish to part with a dollar in exchange for a ticket, since my chances of winning are approximately zero with or without a ticket. The fact that someone did win says only that it&#039;s possible to win. It absolutely doesn&#039;t make winning very likely for any one ticket holder. If you sample a very large number of planets with conditions similar to those on Earth billions of years ago, abiogenesis is possible on each planet. It still may be extremely improbable. The probability could be so small that one would be foolish to spend time looking (assuming that one actually knows the likelihood; if one has not the slightest clue as to the likelihood, it then becomes an issue of how interested one is to study the problem and what surplus resources one has available for such a project). 

Probabilities can be very interesting. In college physics classes students are sometimes given the problem of computing the probability of, for example, one&#039;s head tunneling whole through a concrete wall. Even though such a thing is possible (i.e., it&#039;s allowed by quantum mechanics), it turns out to be so improbable that one should not expect it at any time in the history of the Universe. We don&#039;t know the probability of abiogeneis. It&#039;s not unthinkable that it&#039;s so unlikely that life anywhere in the known universe may be a statistical anomaly. Or it could be so inevitable as to make life cheap and disposable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daffy Said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Well, whatever you say. In the absence of any evidence for Earth being unique, as far as I can see intelligent life on Earth clearly indicates it is possible elsewhere. To assume otherwise requires facts not in evidence.&#8221;</p>
<p>In probability there&#8217;s a world of difference between possible and probable. Even though it&#8217;s possible for me to win the Powerball jackpot, I&#8217;d be foolish to part with a dollar in exchange for a ticket, since my chances of winning are approximately zero with or without a ticket. The fact that someone did win says only that it&#8217;s possible to win. It absolutely doesn&#8217;t make winning very likely for any one ticket holder. If you sample a very large number of planets with conditions similar to those on Earth billions of years ago, abiogenesis is possible on each planet. It still may be extremely improbable. The probability could be so small that one would be foolish to spend time looking (assuming that one actually knows the likelihood; if one has not the slightest clue as to the likelihood, it then becomes an issue of how interested one is to study the problem and what surplus resources one has available for such a project). </p>
<p>Probabilities can be very interesting. In college physics classes students are sometimes given the problem of computing the probability of, for example, one&#8217;s head tunneling whole through a concrete wall. Even though such a thing is possible (i.e., it&#8217;s allowed by quantum mechanics), it turns out to be so improbable that one should not expect it at any time in the history of the Universe. We don&#8217;t know the probability of abiogeneis. It&#8217;s not unthinkable that it&#8217;s so unlikely that life anywhere in the known universe may be a statistical anomaly. Or it could be so inevitable as to make life cheap and disposable.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/20/seth-shostak-on-colbert-tonight/comment-page-2/#comment-185151</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 15:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At first I thought that said &quot;The Confessions of Allen Hunter&quot; which I figured was a misspelling of Alan Hunter, who was the first VJ on MTV. It only took a nanosecond for my brain to realize that I was wrong, but for that brief nanosecond I was both perplexed and intrigued.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At first I thought that said &#8220;The Confessions of Allen Hunter&#8221; which I figured was a misspelling of Alan Hunter, who was the first VJ on MTV. It only took a nanosecond for my brain to realize that I was wrong, but for that brief nanosecond I was both perplexed and intrigued.</p>
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		<title>By: Daffy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/20/seth-shostak-on-colbert-tonight/comment-page-2/#comment-185149</link>
		<dc:creator>Daffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 15:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TEL: &quot;I’ve already addressed that question. My take on it has been my whole theme in this conversation.&quot;

Well, whatever you say. In the absence of any evidence for Earth being unique, as far as I can see intelligent life on Earth clearly indicates it is possible elsewhere. To assume otherwise requires facts not in evidence.

If such evidence turns up, I will, of course, revise my thinking. But I am not holding my breath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TEL: &#8220;I’ve already addressed that question. My take on it has been my whole theme in this conversation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, whatever you say. In the absence of any evidence for Earth being unique, as far as I can see intelligent life on Earth clearly indicates it is possible elsewhere. To assume otherwise requires facts not in evidence.</p>
<p>If such evidence turns up, I will, of course, revise my thinking. But I am not holding my breath.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/20/seth-shostak-on-colbert-tonight/comment-page-2/#comment-185148</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 15:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>alexandre van de sande,

Re shuttle hubble vid
So mundane and yet so extraordinary. One of my all time favourite &quot;space&quot; videos now.</description>
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<p>Re shuttle hubble vid<br />
So mundane and yet so extraordinary. One of my all time favourite &#8220;space&#8221; videos now.</p>
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		<title>By: T.E.L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>T.E.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 15:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daffy Said:

&quot;Fair enough. I’ll re-phrase: Why do you think intelligent life arising on Earth does not indicate chances for the same thing happening elsewhere?&quot;

I&#039;ve already addressed that question. My take on it has been my whole theme in this conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daffy Said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Fair enough. I’ll re-phrase: Why do you think intelligent life arising on Earth does not indicate chances for the same thing happening elsewhere?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve already addressed that question. My take on it has been my whole theme in this conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: alexandre van de sande</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/20/seth-shostak-on-colbert-tonight/comment-page-2/#comment-185142</link>
		<dc:creator>alexandre van de sande</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 15:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shane:
Don&#039;t think I am not one of us. I have a very specific criticism to one specific experiment.

It&#039;s all about the sense of wonder - have you seen the video of the Shuttle unlocking from hubble?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shane:<br />
Don&#8217;t think I am not one of us. I have a very specific criticism to one specific experiment.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all about the sense of wonder &#8211; have you seen the video of the Shuttle unlocking from hubble?</p>
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		<title>By: Daffy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/20/seth-shostak-on-colbert-tonight/comment-page-2/#comment-185138</link>
		<dc:creator>Daffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 15:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You’re imposing a mistaken interpretation onto my argument. I never claimed to know if Earth is unique. I think I’ve said this several times already.&quot;

Fair enough. I&#039;ll re-phrase: Why do you think intelligent life arising on Earth does not indicate chances for the same thing happening elsewhere?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You’re imposing a mistaken interpretation onto my argument. I never claimed to know if Earth is unique. I think I’ve said this several times already.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fair enough. I&#8217;ll re-phrase: Why do you think intelligent life arising on Earth does not indicate chances for the same thing happening elsewhere?</p>
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