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	<title>Comments on: M82 stifles a cosmic belch</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: StevoR</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/27/m82-stifles-a-cosmic-belch/comment-page-1/#comment-187051</link>
		<dc:creator>StevoR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 16:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ # 39 The BA - okay, good - glad the rules here are still the same.  :-) 

What about the other forum thingy - the BAUT? Are there new rules there as I gathered and, if so, what are they?


@ # 38.   Davidlpf : 
&lt;i&gt;The light hearted stuff is fine and I often get into as well. Cursing I try to avoid as much as I can but once while I have let it out. But there have been a couple of posters here that did nothing but be rude in insulting and one was actually worse at Universe Today in my opinion. I have also say at times I can get a little heated as well.&lt;/i&gt;

Me too. We&#039;re all human &amp; we all get carried away and mess up on occassion. I think allowing a little latitude for folks  is therefore a good thing... Although of course this does have its limits too. 

@ # 40.   Torbjörn Larsson, OM : 

&lt;i&gt; @ StevoR: &quot;Do we really want to make things too exclusive and restrictive?&quot; 
I wasn’t analyzing other effects.&lt;/i&gt; 

Huh? I don&#039;t understand what you mean there at all. :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ # 39 The BA &#8211; okay, good &#8211; glad the rules here are still the same.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>What about the other forum thingy &#8211; the BAUT? Are there new rules there as I gathered and, if so, what are they?</p>
<p>@ # 38.   Davidlpf :<br />
<i>The light hearted stuff is fine and I often get into as well. Cursing I try to avoid as much as I can but once while I have let it out. But there have been a couple of posters here that did nothing but be rude in insulting and one was actually worse at Universe Today in my opinion. I have also say at times I can get a little heated as well.</i></p>
<p>Me too. We&#8217;re all human &#038; we all get carried away and mess up on occassion. I think allowing a little latitude for folks  is therefore a good thing&#8230; Although of course this does have its limits too. </p>
<p>@ # 40.   Torbjörn Larsson, OM : </p>
<p><i> @ StevoR: &#8220;Do we really want to make things too exclusive and restrictive?&#8221;<br />
I wasn’t analyzing other effects.</i> </p>
<p>Huh? I don&#8217;t understand what you mean there at all. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: BMurray</title>
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		<dc:creator>BMurray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 15:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there is iron in the obscuring dust we might at least claim that the supernova was ironically obscured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there is iron in the obscuring dust we might at least claim that the supernova was ironically obscured.</p>
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		<title>By: Torbjörn Larsson, OM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Torbjörn Larsson, OM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 13:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ José:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
They can be synthesized, but you need supernova to scatter them throughout the universe. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But what about the solar wind and other ejection processes? The references I saw was that &quot;Novae and X-ray bursts&quot; (IIRC at writing this) are thermally hot enough to let the CNO process run away (or is that &quot;slip away&quot; :-o) towards iron.

@ StevoR:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Do we really want to make things too exclusive and restrictive? 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I wasn&#039;t analyzing other effects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ José:</p>
<blockquote><p>
They can be synthesized, but you need supernova to scatter them throughout the universe.
</p></blockquote>
<p>But what about the solar wind and other ejection processes? The references I saw was that &#8220;Novae and X-ray bursts&#8221; (IIRC at writing this) are thermally hot enough to let the CNO process run away (or is that &#8220;slip away&#8221; <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':-o' class='wp-smiley' /> ) towards iron.</p>
<p>@ StevoR:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Do we really want to make things too exclusive and restrictive?
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<p>I wasn&#8217;t analyzing other effects.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Plait</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Plait</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 05:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rules here have not changed. My commenting policy is the same as it has been for years: don&#039;t be a jerk. Don&#039;t be rude, and don&#039;t swear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rules here have not changed. My commenting policy is the same as it has been for years: don&#8217;t be a jerk. Don&#8217;t be rude, and don&#8217;t swear.</p>
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		<title>By: Davidlpf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davidlpf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 04:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The light hearted stuff is fine and I often get into as well. Cursing I try to avoid as much as I can but once while I have let it out. But there have been a couple of posters here that did nothing but be rude in insulting and one was actually worse at Universe Today in my opinion. I have also say at times I can get a little heated as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The light hearted stuff is fine and I often get into as well. Cursing I try to avoid as much as I can but once while I have let it out. But there have been a couple of posters here that did nothing but be rude in insulting and one was actually worse at Universe Today in my opinion. I have also say at times I can get a little heated as well.</p>
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		<title>By: StevoR</title>
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		<dc:creator>StevoR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 04:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me # 35: &lt;i&gt; since sometimes you have legitimate reason to use other tags (indicating purpose eg. joking/ informing /serious posts, multiple personalities, etc ..) such forum / blog dictates do seem unduly restrictive. &lt;/i&gt;

Example - up until recently I&#039;ve used &#039;StevoR&#039; for many initial serious posts but then when I need to correct typos or other flaws in the original post I&#039;ve adopted &#039;StevoR-Correcting&#039; to indicate that the post is a correction on a previous one - &amp; to break the monotony of too many posts with the same name in a row! ;-)

With the new editing ability (&lt;i&gt; thanks again BA /Discover&lt;/i&gt; :-) ) I didn&#039;t think I&#039;d need to use that tag any more and could &quot;retire&quot; it ... until I found myself running out of time to correct everything! ;-)  

Still off-topic, sorry ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me # 35: <i> since sometimes you have legitimate reason to use other tags (indicating purpose eg. joking/ informing /serious posts, multiple personalities, etc ..) such forum / blog dictates do seem unduly restrictive. </i></p>
<p>Example &#8211; up until recently I&#8217;ve used &#8216;StevoR&#8217; for many initial serious posts but then when I need to correct typos or other flaws in the original post I&#8217;ve adopted &#8216;StevoR-Correcting&#8217; to indicate that the post is a correction on a previous one &#8211; &#038; to break the monotony of too many posts with the same name in a row! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>With the new editing ability (<i> thanks again BA /Discover</i> <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) I didn&#8217;t think I&#8217;d need to use that tag any more and could &#8220;retire&#8221; it &#8230; until I found myself running out of time to correct everything! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>Still off-topic, sorry &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: StevoR-Correcting</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 04:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Out of time a-gain ...  So correcting :

@ Davidlpf # 34 

OTOH allowing a certain amount of bantering and light-hearted humerous &quot;insulting&quot; stuff along those lines &lt;i&gt;(eg. PZ Myers Vs the BA) &lt;/i&gt; is another thing though and, I think, a line arguably does need to be drawn somewhere allowing such  &quot;banter insults&quot; but preventing really nasty, mean and unpleasant attacks.   

Such really nasty insults  are, in any case, usually a clear signal to everyone that the insulting party has lost the argument &amp; often the plot so  ... anyway, yeah. 

Sometimes hyperbole and rhetoric are part of people&#039;s - &amp; even some culture&#039;s - general style.  For example,  I think much cultural and political misunderstanding occurs because the traditional Arabic world -Muslim style is full of such overblown poetical /rhetorical exaggeration which isn&#039;t to be necessarily taken literally - but sadly too often is. So style &amp; even cultural exchange can sometimes be cramped by too narrow a set of regulations.

Personally,&lt;b&gt; I do try to follow the rules and be polite and rational, &lt;/b&gt; if sometimes funny or silly for FXT and do the right thing netiquette ~wise and all, and I feel (felt) the BAUT laws were &lt;i&gt;(are? Even worse now?)&lt;/i&gt; kind of harsh and overly limiting. :-(

That&#039;s just another perspective to consider, BA? 

PS. Sorry all this is well off the topic here I know, but anyhow. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out of time a-gain &#8230;  So correcting :</p>
<p>@ Davidlpf # 34 </p>
<p>OTOH allowing a certain amount of bantering and light-hearted humerous &#8220;insulting&#8221; stuff along those lines <i>(eg. PZ Myers Vs the BA) </i> is another thing though and, I think, a line arguably does need to be drawn somewhere allowing such  &#8220;banter insults&#8221; but preventing really nasty, mean and unpleasant attacks.   </p>
<p>Such really nasty insults  are, in any case, usually a clear signal to everyone that the insulting party has lost the argument &#038; often the plot so  &#8230; anyway, yeah. </p>
<p>Sometimes hyperbole and rhetoric are part of people&#8217;s &#8211; &#038; even some culture&#8217;s &#8211; general style.  For example,  I think much cultural and political misunderstanding occurs because the traditional Arabic world -Muslim style is full of such overblown poetical /rhetorical exaggeration which isn&#8217;t to be necessarily taken literally &#8211; but sadly too often is. So style &#038; even cultural exchange can sometimes be cramped by too narrow a set of regulations.</p>
<p>Personally,<b> I do try to follow the rules and be polite and rational, </b> if sometimes funny or silly for FXT and do the right thing netiquette ~wise and all, and I feel (felt) the BAUT laws were <i>(are? Even worse now?)</i> kind of harsh and overly limiting. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>That&#8217;s just another perspective to consider, BA? </p>
<p>PS. Sorry all this is well off the topic here I know, but anyhow.</p>
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