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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Tammi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tammi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MISTAKE MADE not because some one that was vaccinated infected you. Should read NOT BECAUSE SOME ONE THAT WASN&quot;T VACCINATED INFECTED YOU!</description>
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		<title>By: Tammi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tammi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vaccines and children,
  I am a mother that is 49 years old.  I took my older children to the nearest playgroup that had chicken pox, measels, mumps and rubella. My son now age 9 had Whopping cough at age 2 weeks. My children have had every communicatable desease out here. EXCEPT FOR influenza and swine. Pefectly healthy and fine, had maximum of 5 vaccines before school,some 24 years ago.
  NOW the 9 year old before he turned 1 had 20 shots, by the age of 18 months showed signs of autism. Now he has tourettes ( a NEUROLOGICAL SYNDROME), NONE of this is in our family history on either side. We had genetics done before we delivered, we had chromozone checks, never was ill, had awesome pregnacy. No reason to think we had an issue. Went through every person in history for 9 generations.
  Check out Guillian Barre Syndrome A NEUROLOGICAL SYNDROME AFTER A ANY VACCINE!  
CDC, FDA, Ever talk with a neurologist? Ever sat with one after your child is no longer there emotionally. MANY NEUROLOGISTS have been after the CDC and FDA for misleading the public. The chemicals in the vaccines do cause harm to the brain. Chemical imbalances bring about bipolar disorders, paranoid schizophrenia, depression, many other diagnoses. 
Secondly  Autism 1 in 100. Alzheimers 1 in 100, Dementia 1 in 100, ALL NEUROLOGICAL DISORDERS ALL ON THE RISE!
 Tuberculousis is still here, Polio is still here, chick pox still here and these are coming from VACCINATED KIDS.
 I recieved one flu shot my entire life. That shot made me sick, I was the only one to reccieve the shot and become ill.
  SO WHO IS INFECTING WHO? Your live virus are just that LIVE they can spread. Your family sick because you got the shot, not because some one that wasn&#039;t vaccinated infected you. Wake up America smell that Coffee!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vaccines and children,<br />
  I am a mother that is 49 years old.  I took my older children to the nearest playgroup that had chicken pox, measels, mumps and rubella. My son now age 9 had Whopping cough at age 2 weeks. My children have had every communicatable desease out here. EXCEPT FOR influenza and swine. Pefectly healthy and fine, had maximum of 5 vaccines before school,some 24 years ago.<br />
  NOW the 9 year old before he turned 1 had 20 shots, by the age of 18 months showed signs of autism. Now he has tourettes ( a NEUROLOGICAL SYNDROME), NONE of this is in our family history on either side. We had genetics done before we delivered, we had chromozone checks, never was ill, had awesome pregnacy. No reason to think we had an issue. Went through every person in history for 9 generations.<br />
  Check out Guillian Barre Syndrome A NEUROLOGICAL SYNDROME AFTER A ANY VACCINE!<br />
CDC, FDA, Ever talk with a neurologist? Ever sat with one after your child is no longer there emotionally. MANY NEUROLOGISTS have been after the CDC and FDA for misleading the public. The chemicals in the vaccines do cause harm to the brain. Chemical imbalances bring about bipolar disorders, paranoid schizophrenia, depression, many other diagnoses.<br />
Secondly  Autism 1 in 100. Alzheimers 1 in 100, Dementia 1 in 100, ALL NEUROLOGICAL DISORDERS ALL ON THE RISE!<br />
 Tuberculousis is still here, Polio is still here, chick pox still here and these are coming from VACCINATED KIDS.<br />
 I recieved one flu shot my entire life. That shot made me sick, I was the only one to reccieve the shot and become ill.<br />
  SO WHO IS INFECTING WHO? Your live virus are just that LIVE they can spread. Your family sick because you got the shot, not because some one that wasn&#8217;t vaccinated infected you. Wake up America smell that Coffee!!</p>
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		<title>By: DK</title>
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		<dc:creator>DK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This video is just propaganda. The objections are completely mild - they do not address any of the real concerns of vaccine objectors, like the fact that known neurotoxins are being injected into young developing immune systems. Notice I said known neurotoxins.. meaning recognized by science as chemicals that damage the nervous system.

I would love the CDC and our government to answer one basic thing: If you are so confident that vaccines are safe, why do you shield vaccine companies from all liability? Clearly you KNOW it&#039;s not safe otherwise there is no need to take such draconian measures to shield the companies from families who have legitimate claims.

Lastly the ending in which they show a &quot;doctor&quot; in a white coat telling us how important it is is a joke. US doctors go through a rigid medical schooling in which they are taught not to think for themselves, so doctors for the most part do not question anything other than official positions - starting with not questioning the logic that injecting a known neurotoxin into a baby is NOT going to damage them. 
Furthermore the &quot;system&quot; has been setup that pediatricians make a huge % of income based just on vaccination rates - so unless they push vaccines they don&#039;t get paid.
Conflict of interest anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This video is just propaganda. The objections are completely mild &#8211; they do not address any of the real concerns of vaccine objectors, like the fact that known neurotoxins are being injected into young developing immune systems. Notice I said known neurotoxins.. meaning recognized by science as chemicals that damage the nervous system.</p>
<p>I would love the CDC and our government to answer one basic thing: If you are so confident that vaccines are safe, why do you shield vaccine companies from all liability? Clearly you KNOW it&#8217;s not safe otherwise there is no need to take such draconian measures to shield the companies from families who have legitimate claims.</p>
<p>Lastly the ending in which they show a &#8220;doctor&#8221; in a white coat telling us how important it is is a joke. US doctors go through a rigid medical schooling in which they are taught not to think for themselves, so doctors for the most part do not question anything other than official positions &#8211; starting with not questioning the logic that injecting a known neurotoxin into a baby is NOT going to damage them.<br />
Furthermore the &#8220;system&#8221; has been setup that pediatricians make a huge % of income based just on vaccination rates &#8211; so unless they push vaccines they don&#8217;t get paid.<br />
Conflict of interest anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve in Dublin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/29/addressing-concerned-parents-about-vaccines/comment-page-1/#comment-188288</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve in Dublin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, hi,

A little bit OT, I know, but... take post no. 32 above for example. This is somebody with a bot capitalising on the fact that your site has a high Google PageRank. They&#039;re linking this spam back to their own site (fistfulofscience dot wordpress dot com) in an effort to boost the rank of their pitiful blog (incoming links from sites ranked higher than you boost your own PageRank).

Why don&#039;t you have your mods just delete these obvious sponging attempts?

Regards,
Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, hi,</p>
<p>A little bit OT, I know, but&#8230; take post no. 32 above for example. This is somebody with a bot capitalising on the fact that your site has a high Google PageRank. They&#8217;re linking this spam back to their own site (fistfulofscience dot wordpress dot com) in an effort to boost the rank of their pitiful blog (incoming links from sites ranked higher than you boost your own PageRank).</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you have your mods just delete these obvious sponging attempts?</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Tuesday Share: June 2, 2009, Edition &#171; Di Mortui Sunt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/29/addressing-concerned-parents-about-vaccines/comment-page-1/#comment-188168</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuesday Share: June 2, 2009, Edition &#171; Di Mortui Sunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The CDC is now creating informational videos explaining why vaccinations are good for your children and the country.  These videos deal with the misinformation being peddled by anti-vaxers &#8211; Addressing Concerned Parents About Vaccines [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The CDC is now creating informational videos explaining why vaccinations are good for your children and the country.  These videos deal with the misinformation being peddled by anti-vaxers &#8211; Addressing Concerned Parents About Vaccines [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CDC video targets parents concerned about vaccines &#171; A Fistful of Science</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/29/addressing-concerned-parents-about-vaccines/comment-page-1/#comment-187617</link>
		<dc:creator>CDC video targets parents concerned about vaccines &#171; A Fistful of Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 01:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] out. I forgot about this old internet thing. As it happens, the CDC has a new video out. (Thanks, Bad Astronomy.) After talking with parents across the country, CDC put together this short video to help answer [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] out. I forgot about this old internet thing. As it happens, the CDC has a new video out. (Thanks, Bad Astronomy.) After talking with parents across the country, CDC put together this short video to help answer [...]</p>
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		<title>By: brnofeathers</title>
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		<dc:creator>brnofeathers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 21:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a parent, thanks Phil, for all that you do on this.</description>
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		<title>By: Mark  Hansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark  Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 22:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tanner&#039;s Dad, you&#039;ve been lied to again. The Hippocratic oath (either version) doesn&#039;t contain either &quot;First, do no harm&quot; or &quot;For the good of the community&quot;. I did research the Hippocratic oath and it&#039;s changes. You should too.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_classical.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_modern.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tanner&#8217;s Dad, you&#8217;ve been lied to again. The Hippocratic oath (either version) doesn&#8217;t contain either &#8220;First, do no harm&#8221; or &#8220;For the good of the community&#8221;. I did research the Hippocratic oath and it&#8217;s changes. You should too.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_classical.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_classical.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_modern.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_modern.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: TravisM</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/29/addressing-concerned-parents-about-vaccines/comment-page-1/#comment-187394</link>
		<dc:creator>TravisM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 19:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MAMA! Mom... (laughter...)
AWWWW. So cute. That is real, gotta love the out-takes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MAMA! Mom&#8230; (laughter&#8230;)<br />
AWWWW. So cute. That is real, gotta love the out-takes.</p>
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		<title>By: LarianLeQuella</title>
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		<dc:creator>LarianLeQuella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 17:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tanner&#039;s Dad, while your pain is real, as ccpetersen said, don&#039;t let the poor human ability to assign cause and effect fool you.  And for all those people who have anecdotal stories remember that the correlation may seem remarkable to you because anomalies always seem remarkable when they happen to you. However, what you need to understand is that in the context of the 306 million people in the United States, anomalies are actually not only expected, it would be remarkable if they didn&#039;t occur. Here&#039;s a back of the envelope explanation why (from another blogger that frequents BA &lt;a href=&quot;http://padraic2112.wordpress.com/2009/04/25/my-last-vaccination-post-for-a-while/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://padraic2112.wordpress.com/2009/04/25/my-last-vaccination-post-for-a-while/&lt;/a&gt;):&lt;p&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;


There is a simple reason why this is not relevant, take the following facts:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* children take vaccines&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* autism displays its first symptoms in childhood&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* children under the age of 5 make up ~7% of the population&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* there are ~306 million people in the U.S.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* about 80% of children are vaccinated entirely&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;

This means 306 x 0.07 x .8 = 1.7 million children (roughly) have been vaccinated. With the vaccination schedule being what it is, then, there are somewhere around 100,000 children getting a shot every month (that last one is hand-wavey, it assumes a lot about frequency distributions, but that&#039;s not really germane to my point). Autism rates are estimated at anywhere between 1 in 100 and 1 in 150 children, that means we have about 17,000 diagnosis of autism. If every single one of those autism diagnosis was given to a vaccinated child (they&#039;re not, but again for our sake here it introduces very small error), and those 17,000 have a scatter distribution of vaccination patterns, that means not one, not dozens, not hundreds, but *thousands* of those diagnosis came within days or weeks of a vaccination: yes, this means that dozens will occur within an hour of a vaccination.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;


Put those thousands of people together on a message board (and since autism is hard to deal with, a very high percentage of these family *do* bond together, like SMA sufferers or MS or cancer or any other family-impacting disease), you�ll have a few thousand people all saying to each other, &quot;Gee� MY kid got a shot right before her symptoms started showing, too! There are thousands of us! THAT CAN&#039;T BE A COINCIDENCE.&quot;

&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;But you can see, it actually *isn&#039;t* a coincidence� it&#039;s exactly what we would &lt;em&gt;EXPECT&lt;/em&gt; to happen.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tanner&#8217;s Dad, while your pain is real, as ccpetersen said, don&#8217;t let the poor human ability to assign cause and effect fool you.  And for all those people who have anecdotal stories remember that the correlation may seem remarkable to you because anomalies always seem remarkable when they happen to you. However, what you need to understand is that in the context of the 306 million people in the United States, anomalies are actually not only expected, it would be remarkable if they didn&#8217;t occur. Here&#8217;s a back of the envelope explanation why (from another blogger that frequents BA <a href="http://padraic2112.wordpress.com/2009/04/25/my-last-vaccination-post-for-a-while/" rel="nofollow">http://padraic2112.wordpress.com/2009/04/25/my-last-vaccination-post-for-a-while/</a>):
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>There is a simple reason why this is not relevant, take the following facts:</p>
<p>* children take vaccines</p>
<p>* autism displays its first symptoms in childhood</p>
<p>* children under the age of 5 make up ~7% of the population</p>
<p>* there are ~306 million people in the U.S.</p>
<p>* about 80% of children are vaccinated entirely</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>This means 306 x 0.07 x .8 = 1.7 million children (roughly) have been vaccinated. With the vaccination schedule being what it is, then, there are somewhere around 100,000 children getting a shot every month (that last one is hand-wavey, it assumes a lot about frequency distributions, but that&#8217;s not really germane to my point). Autism rates are estimated at anywhere between 1 in 100 and 1 in 150 children, that means we have about 17,000 diagnosis of autism. If every single one of those autism diagnosis was given to a vaccinated child (they&#8217;re not, but again for our sake here it introduces very small error), and those 17,000 have a scatter distribution of vaccination patterns, that means not one, not dozens, not hundreds, but *thousands* of those diagnosis came within days or weeks of a vaccination: yes, this means that dozens will occur within an hour of a vaccination.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Put those thousands of people together on a message board (and since autism is hard to deal with, a very high percentage of these family *do* bond together, like SMA sufferers or MS or cancer or any other family-impacting disease), you�ll have a few thousand people all saying to each other, &#8220;Gee� MY kid got a shot right before her symptoms started showing, too! There are thousands of us! THAT CAN&#8217;T BE A COINCIDENCE.&#8221;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>
<strong>But you can see, it actually *isn&#8217;t* a coincidence� it&#8217;s exactly what we would <em>EXPECT</em> to happen.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: ccpetersen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/29/addressing-concerned-parents-about-vaccines/comment-page-1/#comment-187365</link>
		<dc:creator>ccpetersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 16:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Dana&#039;s Dad says all there needs to be said here about the wisdom of vaccinations and why we need to continue them. 

On the other hand, Tanner&#039;s Dad shows us why ignorance is foolish. Tanner&#039;s Dad -- at least YOUR child is still alive.  In some part due to falsification of facts and misrepresentation of facts about vaccines by anti-vaxxers whom you admire and follow, Dana&#039;s Dad no longer has the privilege of seeing his child alive and well.  

Tanner&#039;s Dad, you  have been duped by people who want to make you feel bad.  It gives them power over you.  Reject it and find out the facts -- not what uneducated liars who want power over you have told you.   

Moreover, if there really ARE that many children being diagnosed AND vaccines no longer have the harmful agents your anti-vax gods tell you they did, then perhaps you need to be asking people to look in other directions for the cause of autism. Much good research is being done to find the cause -- but you and your crowd will never listen to anything about it because it doesn&#039;t fit the opinions you choose to believe. Opinions that are just that: opinions NOT based on hard facts.

I&#039;ll say it another way: I strongly suggest that you find a way to honor Dana&#039;s Dad&#039;s loss by looking beyond the lies you were told and the crap you CHOOSE to believe, and start taking responsibility for educating yourself about the current state of autism research being done by responsible, credible institutions and researchers.  End your silly delusions.  And, keep your children away from other children and pregnant women.  For those who are not yet vaccinated (the very young, the unborn) you&#039;re raising a generation of disease carriers, all to serve some useless propaganda. 

Harsh am I?  Yes.  Ignorance, fear and wilful gullibility deserve no less than my most profound pity of you, and yes, harshness -- because you and your cohorts choose to believe nonsense over common sense in the face of overwhelming evidence that puts the lie to the delusions you have. 

No doubt you care for your child -- no one can fault you for that. I applaud it. But, you choose a very strange and tragic way to show it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Dana&#8217;s Dad says all there needs to be said here about the wisdom of vaccinations and why we need to continue them. </p>
<p>On the other hand, Tanner&#8217;s Dad shows us why ignorance is foolish. Tanner&#8217;s Dad &#8212; at least YOUR child is still alive.  In some part due to falsification of facts and misrepresentation of facts about vaccines by anti-vaxxers whom you admire and follow, Dana&#8217;s Dad no longer has the privilege of seeing his child alive and well.  </p>
<p>Tanner&#8217;s Dad, you  have been duped by people who want to make you feel bad.  It gives them power over you.  Reject it and find out the facts &#8212; not what uneducated liars who want power over you have told you.   </p>
<p>Moreover, if there really ARE that many children being diagnosed AND vaccines no longer have the harmful agents your anti-vax gods tell you they did, then perhaps you need to be asking people to look in other directions for the cause of autism. Much good research is being done to find the cause &#8212; but you and your crowd will never listen to anything about it because it doesn&#8217;t fit the opinions you choose to believe. Opinions that are just that: opinions NOT based on hard facts.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll say it another way: I strongly suggest that you find a way to honor Dana&#8217;s Dad&#8217;s loss by looking beyond the lies you were told and the crap you CHOOSE to believe, and start taking responsibility for educating yourself about the current state of autism research being done by responsible, credible institutions and researchers.  End your silly delusions.  And, keep your children away from other children and pregnant women.  For those who are not yet vaccinated (the very young, the unborn) you&#8217;re raising a generation of disease carriers, all to serve some useless propaganda. </p>
<p>Harsh am I?  Yes.  Ignorance, fear and wilful gullibility deserve no less than my most profound pity of you, and yes, harshness &#8212; because you and your cohorts choose to believe nonsense over common sense in the face of overwhelming evidence that puts the lie to the delusions you have. </p>
<p>No doubt you care for your child &#8212; no one can fault you for that. I applaud it. But, you choose a very strange and tragic way to show it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 14:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yey!  1+ for Reason. 5- for scaremongering, falsitudes!</description>
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		<title>By: Dana's Dad</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/29/addressing-concerned-parents-about-vaccines/comment-page-1/#comment-187327</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana's Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 13:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As we approach the 3rd month since my 4 week old daughter Dana died from pertussis...too young to be vaccinated. I am pleading with people to stop this senseless debate. Children will and are dying from vaccine preventable diseases....Believe me, I KNOW!

Death of your child is a shocking thing to live through. I wish it on absolutely nobody. I live with it each day!

To suggest that the medical community would knowingly hurt our babies is ludicrous. They take an oath the protect and preserve life. If you&#039;d seen the devastation in the eyes of the intensive care staff when my daughter died, you&#039;d never doubt their integrity and commitment. They tried every thing possible to save her. WE HAVE SO MUCH RESPECT FOR WHO THEY ARE AND WHAT THEY DO!! Picture 14 people desperately working together on my little girl...in tears as they failed to save her. THEY CARE!!!!

I&#039;ll let the medical experts explain vaccinations to you. Our story is all I have to tell. Please learn from it....we are trying to help you and others understand just what happens when people don&#039;t do the right thing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As we approach the 3rd month since my 4 week old daughter Dana died from pertussis&#8230;too young to be vaccinated. I am pleading with people to stop this senseless debate. Children will and are dying from vaccine preventable diseases&#8230;.Believe me, I KNOW!</p>
<p>Death of your child is a shocking thing to live through. I wish it on absolutely nobody. I live with it each day!</p>
<p>To suggest that the medical community would knowingly hurt our babies is ludicrous. They take an oath the protect and preserve life. If you&#8217;d seen the devastation in the eyes of the intensive care staff when my daughter died, you&#8217;d never doubt their integrity and commitment. They tried every thing possible to save her. WE HAVE SO MUCH RESPECT FOR WHO THEY ARE AND WHAT THEY DO!! Picture 14 people desperately working together on my little girl&#8230;in tears as they failed to save her. THEY CARE!!!!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll let the medical experts explain vaccinations to you. Our story is all I have to tell. Please learn from it&#8230;.we are trying to help you and others understand just what happens when people don&#8217;t do the right thing!</p>
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		<title>By: Tanners Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tanners Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 11:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As we approach the 7 year anniversary of the last time my son spoke... &quot;My name is Tanner. My name is Tanner.&quot; After his vaccinations for school,  I am sad that the CDC still has to lie to us. Their mantra is lie deny divide ignore and discredit.  See for yourself www.fourteenstudies.org We have not done due diligence. We do not provide informed consent. Are you willing to sacrifice your child for the greater good? Autism is lifelong thing to deal with. The mainstream medical community will not even partner in cleaning up their mess.  Think twice. Research the new hippocratic oath used to be &quot;First do no harm&quot; now it is &quot;For the good of the community&quot; One child a day is too many with Autism... We are seeing 72 a day. One every 20 minutes. Something is rotten in....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As we approach the 7 year anniversary of the last time my son spoke&#8230; &#8220;My name is Tanner. My name is Tanner.&#8221; After his vaccinations for school,  I am sad that the CDC still has to lie to us. Their mantra is lie deny divide ignore and discredit.  See for yourself <a href="http://www.fourteenstudies.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.fourteenstudies.org</a> We have not done due diligence. We do not provide informed consent. Are you willing to sacrifice your child for the greater good? Autism is lifelong thing to deal with. The mainstream medical community will not even partner in cleaning up their mess.  Think twice. Research the new hippocratic oath used to be &#8220;First do no harm&#8221; now it is &#8220;For the good of the community&#8221; One child a day is too many with Autism&#8230; We are seeing 72 a day. One every 20 minutes. Something is rotten in&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: blur</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/29/addressing-concerned-parents-about-vaccines/comment-page-1/#comment-187285</link>
		<dc:creator>blur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 06:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think all antivaxers should be jailed for being a real threat for children.
if they&#039;re tolerated, then what&#039;s next- anti-antibioticers, antisurgeons, antivitamins?

antivax is so retarded, i cannot even think...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think all antivaxers should be jailed for being a real threat for children.<br />
if they&#8217;re tolerated, then what&#8217;s next- anti-antibioticers, antisurgeons, antivitamins?</p>
<p>antivax is so retarded, i cannot even think&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: zar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/29/addressing-concerned-parents-about-vaccines/comment-page-1/#comment-187283</link>
		<dc:creator>zar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 05:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it might be a good idea to discuss how vaccines just train the body&#039;s immune system, just making its natural defenses stronger.  And use the word &quot;natural&quot; a lot.  A lot of people seem afraid of how vaccines are &quot;unnatural&quot; (like internet access is natural?), but really they&#039;re just working with the abilities the human body already has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it might be a good idea to discuss how vaccines just train the body&#8217;s immune system, just making its natural defenses stronger.  And use the word &#8220;natural&#8221; a lot.  A lot of people seem afraid of how vaccines are &#8220;unnatural&#8221; (like internet access is natural?), but really they&#8217;re just working with the abilities the human body already has.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Drumm The Astronomy Bum</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/29/addressing-concerned-parents-about-vaccines/comment-page-1/#comment-187265</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Drumm The Astronomy Bum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 03:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, equinox! I did as you suggested and I did notice how the black lady with the blue turtleneck was turned away from the CDC doc. The crossed legs didn&#039;t bother me too much, it&#039;s just what ladies do, it&#039;s more, well, ladylike, you know? The CDC lady should&#039;ve not worn the jacket, though, as it made her look too official. 

Perhaps scouting the CDC for someone different to be on camera, someone with more media skills. It&#039;s not easy to learn how to do this stuff, takes a talent (maybe that&#039;s why we call them &quot;on camera talent&quot;). When you get non-pros to work well, though, it&#039;s magical! It really resonates with audiences, and the payoff is huge. Verisimilitude and all that...

I know how hard staging scenes like this is, especially when using non professional talent. You want them to look like we&#039;ve accidentally happened upon them in the home setting but they (not being used to the cameras) tend to tense up and get stilted. Perhaps they each should&#039;ve gotten a snifter of brandy to nurse! Works fer me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, equinox! I did as you suggested and I did notice how the black lady with the blue turtleneck was turned away from the CDC doc. The crossed legs didn&#8217;t bother me too much, it&#8217;s just what ladies do, it&#8217;s more, well, ladylike, you know? The CDC lady should&#8217;ve not worn the jacket, though, as it made her look too official. </p>
<p>Perhaps scouting the CDC for someone different to be on camera, someone with more media skills. It&#8217;s not easy to learn how to do this stuff, takes a talent (maybe that&#8217;s why we call them &#8220;on camera talent&#8221;). When you get non-pros to work well, though, it&#8217;s magical! It really resonates with audiences, and the payoff is huge. Verisimilitude and all that&#8230;</p>
<p>I know how hard staging scenes like this is, especially when using non professional talent. You want them to look like we&#8217;ve accidentally happened upon them in the home setting but they (not being used to the cameras) tend to tense up and get stilted. Perhaps they each should&#8217;ve gotten a snifter of brandy to nurse! Works fer me!</p>
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		<title>By: The Science Pundit</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/29/addressing-concerned-parents-about-vaccines/comment-page-1/#comment-187243</link>
		<dc:creator>The Science Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 01:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m featuring this video on my YouTube channel.</description>
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		<title>By: timmy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/29/addressing-concerned-parents-about-vaccines/comment-page-1/#comment-187241</link>
		<dc:creator>timmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 01:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hydrogen fuel cells are a real possibility for stationary applications but three things need to happen (1) we have to improve the energy density (2) we have to improve the efficiency (3) we have to develop the ability to crack the Hydrogen at the application</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hydrogen fuel cells are a real possibility for stationary applications but three things need to happen (1) we have to improve the energy density (2) we have to improve the efficiency (3) we have to develop the ability to crack the Hydrogen at the application</p>
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		<title>By: equinox</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/29/addressing-concerned-parents-about-vaccines/comment-page-1/#comment-187233</link>
		<dc:creator>equinox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 00:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked the video, it&#039;s tone, pacing and style were great at trying to calm the fears of mothers. I do want to mention two things that I noticed. First, an important question that should have been raised &quot;Do vaccines have any side effects&quot; was not covered at all. Sadly, I&#039;m certain the anti-vax flotilla will sink their teeth into that as the weak spot in this video. Any downside, even the smallest thing not mentioned, is sure to be represented as part of the conspiracy. 

Also, as director of this video, I would have made certain that the moms on the couch relaxed a bit and dropped their defensive body language. They appear to be trying to make as much distance between themselves and &quot;authority&quot; as they can. It&#039;s a small thing but it unconsciously affects how we interpret how the mothers are receiving the information from the doctor. They should uncross their legs and arms,  swivel to face the doctor and lean forward a bit towards her to communicate interest and lack of fear. If you watch the video without sound you can see the effect more clearly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked the video, it&#8217;s tone, pacing and style were great at trying to calm the fears of mothers. I do want to mention two things that I noticed. First, an important question that should have been raised &#8220;Do vaccines have any side effects&#8221; was not covered at all. Sadly, I&#8217;m certain the anti-vax flotilla will sink their teeth into that as the weak spot in this video. Any downside, even the smallest thing not mentioned, is sure to be represented as part of the conspiracy. </p>
<p>Also, as director of this video, I would have made certain that the moms on the couch relaxed a bit and dropped their defensive body language. They appear to be trying to make as much distance between themselves and &#8220;authority&#8221; as they can. It&#8217;s a small thing but it unconsciously affects how we interpret how the mothers are receiving the information from the doctor. They should uncross their legs and arms,  swivel to face the doctor and lean forward a bit towards her to communicate interest and lack of fear. If you watch the video without sound you can see the effect more clearly.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 23:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well then, since Thanny has broken the ice for off-topic posts...

Phil, I finished reading Death From The Skies yesterday morning.  It was great...but a few hours later, I found myself appreciating it even more.

See, on Monday, I got some other books, including the novelization for Revenge of the Sith.  I&#039;m more a fan of Star Wars than Star Trek (though I love both), possibly because the epic feel of the conflicts in Star Wars seems more apropos to the scale, even though wars waged at that scale should be destroying whole worlds nearly as a matter of course.

Anbyway, I read Revenge of the Sith yesterday afternoon and evening.  And I was so glad I had read yours first.

There was an almost melancholy to your book in the notion that nothing lasts forever.  But there was also a sort of hope without hope going on--that even once the universe is gone, something might come along after it, even if we&#039;re no longer there for it.  And, of course, the notion that the universe is still, for the foreseeable future, ours to explore some more.

As it was about the end of an era, if not the end of a civilization, Revenge of the Sith had the same general idea...but the novel brought it into sharp focus (possibly because Matt Stover is a better writer than George Lucas).  The era of the old Republic was an age of heroes and great deeds.  But even they couldn&#039;t hold back the dark forever.  Anakin Skywalker knew this on some level--shortly after beginning his training, a mission took him and Obi-Wan to a system with a dead star, and he realized even stars can die.

The dark always wins.  But it hasn&#039;t won yet.  And the light might get another shot.If I had read both of those books on their own (not sequentially), I might have come up with the same thoughts.  But they would not have had the emotional resonance I had from reading them back to back: the seeming end of the story...with a little hope for another chapter.

tl;dr Your book is, as the kids say, the tits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well then, since Thanny has broken the ice for off-topic posts&#8230;</p>
<p>Phil, I finished reading Death From The Skies yesterday morning.  It was great&#8230;but a few hours later, I found myself appreciating it even more.</p>
<p>See, on Monday, I got some other books, including the novelization for Revenge of the Sith.  I&#8217;m more a fan of Star Wars than Star Trek (though I love both), possibly because the epic feel of the conflicts in Star Wars seems more apropos to the scale, even though wars waged at that scale should be destroying whole worlds nearly as a matter of course.</p>
<p>Anbyway, I read Revenge of the Sith yesterday afternoon and evening.  And I was so glad I had read yours first.</p>
<p>There was an almost melancholy to your book in the notion that nothing lasts forever.  But there was also a sort of hope without hope going on&#8211;that even once the universe is gone, something might come along after it, even if we&#8217;re no longer there for it.  And, of course, the notion that the universe is still, for the foreseeable future, ours to explore some more.</p>
<p>As it was about the end of an era, if not the end of a civilization, Revenge of the Sith had the same general idea&#8230;but the novel brought it into sharp focus (possibly because Matt Stover is a better writer than George Lucas).  The era of the old Republic was an age of heroes and great deeds.  But even they couldn&#8217;t hold back the dark forever.  Anakin Skywalker knew this on some level&#8211;shortly after beginning his training, a mission took him and Obi-Wan to a system with a dead star, and he realized even stars can die.</p>
<p>The dark always wins.  But it hasn&#8217;t won yet.  And the light might get another shot.If I had read both of those books on their own (not sequentially), I might have come up with the same thoughts.  But they would not have had the emotional resonance I had from reading them back to back: the seeming end of the story&#8230;with a little hope for another chapter.</p>
<p>tl;dr Your book is, as the kids say, the tits.</p>
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		<title>By: Thanny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thanny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 23:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s my take on hydrogen fuel cells.

Until there&#039;s a viable infrastructure for the creation and distribution of hydrogen that doesn&#039;t depend on fossil fuels, hydrogen fuel cells are not the answer.

Any long term goal using hydrogen fuel cells would have to treat it as an energy transport mechanism, not a source of energy, since it&#039;s clear that it takes more energy to create hydrogen than is gained by consuming it.  But if we develop renewable electricity generation much further, that power can be used to create hydrogen as a means of transporting that electricity indirectly (imagine a tidal hydrogen plant that used electricity from tides to create the gas).

The same kind of cycle could be used with methanol, too, which can be created by running a methanol fuel cell backwards (removing carbon dioxide from the air), with the electricity coming from solar, wind, or even fission sources.  That converts that clean, renewable electricity into an easily transportable liquid which can even run current combustion vehicles with little to no engine modifications, and take advantage of all the existing gasoline distribution infrastructure.

Right now, the correct path is making electricity generation carbon-neutral and renewable, then modernizing the grid as much as possible.  The resulting excess power generation potential can subsequently be realized to create fuels like hydrogen or methanol that serve as easily transportable power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my take on hydrogen fuel cells.</p>
<p>Until there&#8217;s a viable infrastructure for the creation and distribution of hydrogen that doesn&#8217;t depend on fossil fuels, hydrogen fuel cells are not the answer.</p>
<p>Any long term goal using hydrogen fuel cells would have to treat it as an energy transport mechanism, not a source of energy, since it&#8217;s clear that it takes more energy to create hydrogen than is gained by consuming it.  But if we develop renewable electricity generation much further, that power can be used to create hydrogen as a means of transporting that electricity indirectly (imagine a tidal hydrogen plant that used electricity from tides to create the gas).</p>
<p>The same kind of cycle could be used with methanol, too, which can be created by running a methanol fuel cell backwards (removing carbon dioxide from the air), with the electricity coming from solar, wind, or even fission sources.  That converts that clean, renewable electricity into an easily transportable liquid which can even run current combustion vehicles with little to no engine modifications, and take advantage of all the existing gasoline distribution infrastructure.</p>
<p>Right now, the correct path is making electricity generation carbon-neutral and renewable, then modernizing the grid as much as possible.  The resulting excess power generation potential can subsequently be realized to create fuels like hydrogen or methanol that serve as easily transportable power.</p>
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		<title>By: LarianLeQuella</title>
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		<dc:creator>LarianLeQuella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 23:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lauren, interestingly you should mention the lack of trust.  Today&#039;s blog post on Facts, not Fantasy mentions this article:  http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.1000114  Worth a read I think!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lauren, interestingly you should mention the lack of trust.  Today&#8217;s blog post on Facts, not Fantasy mentions this article:  <a href="http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.1000114" rel="nofollow">http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.1000114</a>  Worth a read I think!</p>
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		<title>By: Vern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 22:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fight the good fight, Lauren.

Looks like its ratings are getting hit on YouTube. Show it some love, peeps.</description>
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<p>Looks like its ratings are getting hit on YouTube. Show it some love, peeps.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/29/addressing-concerned-parents-about-vaccines/comment-page-1/#comment-187190</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 22:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad it&#039;s from the CDC, because a lot of the people opposed to vaccines already don&#039;t trust the government and this certainly isn&#039;t going to change that. And it comes off as scripted (which it probably is), but it&#039;s still really good and I will &quot;share&quot; it on my Facebook page -even though I know I will suffer a rash of angry comments, which I will have to counter one by one by one...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad it&#8217;s from the CDC, because a lot of the people opposed to vaccines already don&#8217;t trust the government and this certainly isn&#8217;t going to change that. And it comes off as scripted (which it probably is), but it&#8217;s still really good and I will &#8220;share&#8221; it on my Facebook page -even though I know I will suffer a rash of angry comments, which I will have to counter one by one by one&#8230;</p>
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