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		<title>By: Robert Carnegie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/06/09/kaguyas-lunar-demise/#comment-176668</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Carnegie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re actually seeing astronaut stuff left on the Moon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_Experiment

They left behind equipment that is kind of like the reflective cell plates mounted on cars and bicycles.  So you can shoot a laser beam at that part of the Moon and you get a measurable reflection.  Since your laser beam hits an area measured in kilometres, it isn&#039;t a very bright reflection, relatively, but it&#039;s there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re actually seeing astronaut stuff left on the Moon:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_Experiment" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_Experiment</a></p>
<p>They left behind equipment that is kind of like the reflective cell plates mounted on cars and bicycles.  So you can shoot a laser beam at that part of the Moon and you get a measurable reflection.  Since your laser beam hits an area measured in kilometres, it isn&#8217;t a very bright reflection, relatively, but it&#8217;s there.</p>
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		<title>By: Flying sardines</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/06/09/kaguyas-lunar-demise/#comment-176667</link>
		<dc:creator>Flying sardines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 06:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sound no, vibration yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sound no, vibration yes.</p>
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		<title>By: John Baxter</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/06/09/kaguyas-lunar-demise/#comment-176666</link>
		<dc:creator>John Baxter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The lack of sound simply &quot;proves&quot; that this too is a moon hoax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lack of sound simply &#8220;proves&#8221; that this too is a moon hoax.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Owen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/06/09/kaguyas-lunar-demise/#comment-176665</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The impact time has come and gone.  Waiting for confirmation on the JAXA website.

I didn&#039;t end up getting any imaging gear set up - I went out earlier and the wind had picked up quite a bit, the Moon was happily bubbling away.  I thought I&#039;d just have a go eyeballing it.  Didn&#039;t see anything - though I had to keep readjusting the scope (just left it on the dob mount) and it&#039;s a real pain to keep one eye open on a fairly bright object with minimal blinking for 10 minutes. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The impact time has come and gone.  Waiting for confirmation on the JAXA website.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t end up getting any imaging gear set up &#8211; I went out earlier and the wind had picked up quite a bit, the Moon was happily bubbling away.  I thought I&#8217;d just have a go eyeballing it.  Didn&#8217;t see anything &#8211; though I had to keep readjusting the scope (just left it on the dob mount) and it&#8217;s a real pain to keep one eye open on a fairly bright object with minimal blinking for 10 minutes. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Chris Owen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Less than two hours to go!  :D

@ Tom (comment #26):

There are plenty of maps available on the internet that gives the location of the Apollo missions (and other unmanned missions).  For example:

http://ralphaeschliman.com/luna/lnslamasm.jpg

Secondly, no, your telescope won&#039;t be able to see any of the artefacts left at the Apollo landing sites - not even Hubble (or any surface based telescope) can do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Less than two hours to go!  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@ Tom (comment #26):</p>
<p>There are plenty of maps available on the internet that gives the location of the Apollo missions (and other unmanned missions).  For example:</p>
<p><a href="http://ralphaeschliman.com/luna/lnslamasm.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://ralphaeschliman.com/luna/lnslamasm.jpg</a></p>
<p>Secondly, no, your telescope won&#8217;t be able to see any of the artefacts left at the Apollo landing sites &#8211; not even Hubble (or any surface based telescope) can do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does NASA have a map of sites where the Apollo landings left stuff behind?

Is it possible to see any of the &#039;stuff&#039; with a small scope (mine is 150mm)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does NASA have a map of sites where the Apollo landings left stuff behind?</p>
<p>Is it possible to see any of the &#8216;stuff&#8217; with a small scope (mine is 150mm)?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Carnegie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Carnegie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there are several science fiction stories intended to deal with the legal status of space colonies, but fewer recently, fewer that I&#039;ve read anyway, which could mean that some recent real treaties have overridden them.  Maybe you want to see what a John Grisham or Sonia Sotomayor can do with it.  In fact I think [The Galactic Whirlpool] is from 1980, where as backstory a space station declares independence.  The Earth economy was bad and I think the spacers&#039; legal justification was, we&#039;re up here, you&#039;re down there, neener neener.  Later generations call it &quot;The Lost Cometary Colony&quot;, I think, and I expect I don&#039;t have to spell out what that means.

And in [The long habit of living], where an indefinite longevity treatment in ten year instalments exists if you can afford it (the economics are quite interesting in simple terms, as are most of both these stories), there&#039;s a not-generation starship, a slowboat, under construction in space.  Two problems, they don&#039;t actually have the longevity treatment and they have a killer mortgage.  If in their library they have a copy of [The Galactic Whirlpool], a solution to one of the problems may occur to them...

Right now the question is, is your acre of Moon insured?  Crashing probes into our sister planet seems to be the new international space race gimmick.  The money, mooney, shot.  Better see if American Interplanetary Group is taking new contracts.

As it is, expect moon rise tonight at 7pm, 8pm, 8.15, 8.22, and 9.47...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are several science fiction stories intended to deal with the legal status of space colonies, but fewer recently, fewer that I&#8217;ve read anyway, which could mean that some recent real treaties have overridden them.  Maybe you want to see what a John Grisham or Sonia Sotomayor can do with it.  In fact I think [The Galactic Whirlpool] is from 1980, where as backstory a space station declares independence.  The Earth economy was bad and I think the spacers&#8217; legal justification was, we&#8217;re up here, you&#8217;re down there, neener neener.  Later generations call it &#8220;The Lost Cometary Colony&#8221;, I think, and I expect I don&#8217;t have to spell out what that means.</p>
<p>And in [The long habit of living], where an indefinite longevity treatment in ten year instalments exists if you can afford it (the economics are quite interesting in simple terms, as are most of both these stories), there&#8217;s a not-generation starship, a slowboat, under construction in space.  Two problems, they don&#8217;t actually have the longevity treatment and they have a killer mortgage.  If in their library they have a copy of [The Galactic Whirlpool], a solution to one of the problems may occur to them&#8230;</p>
<p>Right now the question is, is your acre of Moon insured?  Crashing probes into our sister planet seems to be the new international space race gimmick.  The money, mooney, shot.  Better see if American Interplanetary Group is taking new contracts.</p>
<p>As it is, expect moon rise tonight at 7pm, 8pm, 8.15, 8.22, and 9.47&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will they be leaving those HD cameras running for the impact?</description>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did not really expect that the sillyness would prove factual, though a small part of me is nonetheless disappointed by the idea my pretty piece of paper is worthless in the real world. Besides is was the thought of the gift that counted.

I still wonder about private enterprise going there. If, as I asked, money wasn&#039;t an option and I as a private citizen launched landed and established a viable colony, what national or international laws could be levied against me in an attempt to stop and or evict me from said colony/station/hole in the lunar ground if they wanted to? Are there specific conventions through international law preventing people from doing this?

-Joseph</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did not really expect that the sillyness would prove factual, though a small part of me is nonetheless disappointed by the idea my pretty piece of paper is worthless in the real world. Besides is was the thought of the gift that counted.</p>
<p>I still wonder about private enterprise going there. If, as I asked, money wasn&#8217;t an option and I as a private citizen launched landed and established a viable colony, what national or international laws could be levied against me in an attempt to stop and or evict me from said colony/station/hole in the lunar ground if they wanted to? Are there specific conventions through international law preventing people from doing this?</p>
<p>-Joseph</p>
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		<title>By: MaDeR</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaDeR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 09:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary: &quot;Why crash it when they can leave it in orbit?&quot;
Bad question. They cannot leave it in orbit.

Joseph: &quot;Basically, do I actually own an acre of land on the moon, or can I at least lay some kind of claim to it if I can get there?&quot;
No. This is scam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary: &#8220;Why crash it when they can leave it in orbit?&#8221;<br />
Bad question. They cannot leave it in orbit.</p>
<p>Joseph: &#8220;Basically, do I actually own an acre of land on the moon, or can I at least lay some kind of claim to it if I can get there?&#8221;<br />
No. This is scam.</p>
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