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	<title>Comments on: LRO launches today at 21:12 GMT</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Jo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jeff: Doubting the moon landings is not being skeptical.  It&#039;s being a denialist.  Throw all of modern scientific knowledge out the window with it, then.  If they&#039;re lying about this -- despite the careful documentation, and the rock samples, and the huge host of individuals involved who have never once hinted at anything to the contrary -- then anyone could be lying about anything.  Throw it all out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jeff: Doubting the moon landings is not being skeptical.  It&#8217;s being a denialist.  Throw all of modern scientific knowledge out the window with it, then.  If they&#8217;re lying about this &#8212; despite the careful documentation, and the rock samples, and the huge host of individuals involved who have never once hinted at anything to the contrary &#8212; then anyone could be lying about anything.  Throw it all out.</p>
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		<title>By: Flying sardines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flying sardines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and we also have the following astronauts who all circled our Moon whilst their companions walked on it - perhaps the ultimate in isolation from other people : 

Apollo 11 - Michael Collins

Apollo  12 - Richard Gordon 

Apollo  14 - Stuart Roosa 
 
Apollo 15 - Fred Worden

Apollo  16 - Thomas Mattingly

Apollo 17 - Ronald Evans

MHCTBers are these too all liars in your view?  

Plus, of course,the whole Apollo 13 crew that also circled our Moon : Jim Lovell, John Swigert, Fred Haise &amp; the crews of Apollo&#039;s 10 ( Tom Stafford, Gene Cernan, John Young) &amp;  Apollo 8. (James Lovell, Frank Borman, William Anders.) 

Basically &lt;b &gt; Do you really expect us to believe all these good individuals are lying -flawlessly? &lt;/b&gt;

Well ... ???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and we also have the following astronauts who all circled our Moon whilst their companions walked on it &#8211; perhaps the ultimate in isolation from other people : </p>
<p>Apollo 11 &#8211; Michael Collins</p>
<p>Apollo  12 &#8211; Richard Gordon </p>
<p>Apollo  14 &#8211; Stuart Roosa </p>
<p>Apollo 15 &#8211; Fred Worden</p>
<p>Apollo  16 &#8211; Thomas Mattingly</p>
<p>Apollo 17 &#8211; Ronald Evans</p>
<p>MHCTBers are these too all liars in your view?  </p>
<p>Plus, of course,the whole Apollo 13 crew that also circled our Moon : Jim Lovell, John Swigert, Fred Haise &#038; the crews of Apollo&#8217;s 10 ( Tom Stafford, Gene Cernan, John Young) &#038;  Apollo 8. (James Lovell, Frank Borman, William Anders.) </p>
<p>Basically <b> Do you really expect us to believe all these good individuals are lying -flawlessly? </b></p>
<p>Well &#8230; ???</p>
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		<title>By: Flying sardines</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/06/18/lro-launches-today-at-2112-gmt/comment-page-1/#comment-193172</link>
		<dc:creator>Flying sardines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are a Moon Hoax Conspiracy &quot;Theory&quot; Believer (MHCTBer) then you are effectively calling the following courageous and honourable astronauts  who all walked on the Moon liars : 

Neil Armstrong,
Buzz (Edwin) Aldrin,

Apollo 11 – first Lunar landing. Aldrin would later write an autobiography as well detailing his very interesting if sometimes troubled life. 

Charles “Pete” Conrad
Alan Bean

Apollo 12 – the second Lunar landing. Alan Bean would later paint many scenes from his Lunar adventure from memory.

Alan Shepherd
Edgar Mitchell

Apollo 14 – third lunar landing - &amp; Al Shepherd was the first American in space with the ‘Mercury’ programme. Mitchell as we all know is hardly the quiet secret-keeping type! 
;-)

David Scott
James Irwin

Apollo 15 – fourth Lunar landing

Charles Duke
John Young

Apollo 16 – fifth Lunar landing. Both Duke &amp; Irwin later became preachers if that carries any weight for those who think preachers are more honest than, say, scientists. NOT a view I hold personally I’ll add, but one I know some do. 

Harrison Schmidt
Gene Cernan

Apollo 17 – sixth &amp; so far last lunar landing. Schmidt, a geologist was the first and only scientist to walk on the Moon, the other astronauts mostly came from air-force or navy backgrounds.

Now according to the MHCTBers *all* of these brave and honourable men (&amp; many hundreds more people as well) who have have different characters, abilities and backgrounds, who have written, painted, and talked about their lunar experiences are all consistently and continually lying! 

Moreover, the MHCTBers would have us believe that all these men &lt;b&gt;( &amp; many hundreds more involved in the Apollo program) &lt;/b&gt; who have been interviewed, studied, debriefed and questioned are *perfect* flawless liars who have never once “slipped up” and accidentally revealed “the secret.” Not to the media, not to their partners, not to their kids, not once, ever. 

Yeah riiiight.  :roll:

Besides can anyone just imagine being the dude in charge of telling the Apollo astronauts – Buzz Aldrin and Pete Conrad, Jim Lovell and Al Shepherd and the rest :

“Hey, you know we’ll actually be faking all this so you’ve got to act .. &amp; lie really well .. and then hide somewhere while we somehow fool the Russians and ya gotta keep this so secret and.. ” *WHACK! * 

&lt;i&gt;[Person telling them this falls over with bloody nose and black eye from Buzz Aldrin’s killer left hook! ] &lt;/i&gt;

... And that&#039;s before we even get to the mountain of other evidence  like all the photos,  moon-rocks, experiments left behind, et cetera ... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are a Moon Hoax Conspiracy &#8220;Theory&#8221; Believer (MHCTBer) then you are effectively calling the following courageous and honourable astronauts  who all walked on the Moon liars : </p>
<p>Neil Armstrong,<br />
Buzz (Edwin) Aldrin,</p>
<p>Apollo 11 – first Lunar landing. Aldrin would later write an autobiography as well detailing his very interesting if sometimes troubled life. </p>
<p>Charles “Pete” Conrad<br />
Alan Bean</p>
<p>Apollo 12 – the second Lunar landing. Alan Bean would later paint many scenes from his Lunar adventure from memory.</p>
<p>Alan Shepherd<br />
Edgar Mitchell</p>
<p>Apollo 14 – third lunar landing &#8211; &#038; Al Shepherd was the first American in space with the ‘Mercury’ programme. Mitchell as we all know is hardly the quiet secret-keeping type!<br />
 <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>David Scott<br />
James Irwin</p>
<p>Apollo 15 – fourth Lunar landing</p>
<p>Charles Duke<br />
John Young</p>
<p>Apollo 16 – fifth Lunar landing. Both Duke &#038; Irwin later became preachers if that carries any weight for those who think preachers are more honest than, say, scientists. NOT a view I hold personally I’ll add, but one I know some do. </p>
<p>Harrison Schmidt<br />
Gene Cernan</p>
<p>Apollo 17 – sixth &#038; so far last lunar landing. Schmidt, a geologist was the first and only scientist to walk on the Moon, the other astronauts mostly came from air-force or navy backgrounds.</p>
<p>Now according to the MHCTBers *all* of these brave and honourable men (&#038; many hundreds more people as well) who have have different characters, abilities and backgrounds, who have written, painted, and talked about their lunar experiences are all consistently and continually lying! </p>
<p>Moreover, the MHCTBers would have us believe that all these men <b>( &#038; many hundreds more involved in the Apollo program) </b> who have been interviewed, studied, debriefed and questioned are *perfect* flawless liars who have never once “slipped up” and accidentally revealed “the secret.” Not to the media, not to their partners, not to their kids, not once, ever. </p>
<p>Yeah riiiight.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Besides can anyone just imagine being the dude in charge of telling the Apollo astronauts – Buzz Aldrin and Pete Conrad, Jim Lovell and Al Shepherd and the rest :</p>
<p>“Hey, you know we’ll actually be faking all this so you’ve got to act .. &#038; lie really well .. and then hide somewhere while we somehow fool the Russians and ya gotta keep this so secret and.. ” *WHACK! * </p>
<p><i>[Person telling them this falls over with bloody nose and black eye from Buzz Aldrin’s killer left hook! ] </i></p>
<p>&#8230; And that&#8217;s before we even get to the mountain of other evidence  like all the photos,  moon-rocks, experiments left behind, et cetera &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Flying sardines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flying sardines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats to the LRO team &amp; hope the mission goes well. Awesome! :-) 

@ 9 Bob Portnell : 

&lt;i&gt;Almost no chance of imaging a waving flag, though.&lt;/i&gt;

Definitely no chance of the flag waving - not unless a meteorite just hit it or a moonquake gives it a shake! ;-)

Actually, my understanding &lt;i&gt; (which could be wrong &amp; all but ) &lt;/i&gt; is that the flag actually fell over during the LEM&#039;s ascent stage lift-off ... Course that&#039;s just for Apollo 11 but not sure if the others had flags too or not ... &amp; whether they fell over too or not.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats to the LRO team &#038; hope the mission goes well. Awesome! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>@ 9 Bob Portnell : </p>
<p><i>Almost no chance of imaging a waving flag, though.</i></p>
<p>Definitely no chance of the flag waving &#8211; not unless a meteorite just hit it or a moonquake gives it a shake! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Actually, my understanding <i> (which could be wrong &#038; all but ) </i> is that the flag actually fell over during the LEM&#8217;s ascent stage lift-off &#8230; Course that&#8217;s just for Apollo 11 but not sure if the others had flags too or not &#8230; &#038; whether they fell over too or not.</p>
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		<title>By: BigBob</title>
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		<dc:creator>BigBob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack Hagerty @ 20
&gt; And as I understand, the resolution is more like half a meter (20 inches), so a LM base
&gt; would be about 1,000 pixles, quite enough to resolve it.

I don&#039;t know Jack.  I wish we could get a 1000 pixel image of the LM base, but my understanding of the Resolution is different from yours and I wonder who has it right.  My understanding is that the LRO is capable of a pixel resolution of half a meter as you say, but since the LM base is only a few meters across, that would present an image of no more than 10 - 12 pixels?  Still, that will be enough for an image eh?  I bet that would make it onto BA&#039;s top 10 astronomy images of 2009.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack Hagerty @ 20<br />
> And as I understand, the resolution is more like half a meter (20 inches), so a LM base<br />
> would be about 1,000 pixles, quite enough to resolve it.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know Jack.  I wish we could get a 1000 pixel image of the LM base, but my understanding of the Resolution is different from yours and I wonder who has it right.  My understanding is that the LRO is capable of a pixel resolution of half a meter as you say, but since the LM base is only a few meters across, that would present an image of no more than 10 &#8211; 12 pixels?  Still, that will be enough for an image eh?  I bet that would make it onto BA&#8217;s top 10 astronomy images of 2009.</p>
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		<title>By: madge</title>
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		<dc:creator>madge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 05:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So that&#039;s sux to Neil our moon-hoax troll! : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So that&#8217;s sux to Neil our moon-hoax troll! : )</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Hagerty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Hagerty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 05:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>27.   Bert Chadick Says: &quot;Yeah for Rocketships!&quot;

My kinda guy!

- Jack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>27.   Bert Chadick Says: &#8220;Yeah for Rocketships!&#8221;</p>
<p>My kinda guy!</p>
<p>- Jack</p>
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