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	<title>Comments on: Death from the Spirals! Maybe not so much.</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Plutonium being from Pluto</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/06/29/death-from-the-spirals-maybe-not-so-much/comment-page-1/#comment-195809</link>
		<dc:creator>Plutonium being from Pluto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 03:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay. Got it now. I&#039;m not registered for Word Press so I&#039;ll post your comments and answers here if that&#039;s alright with you ... &lt;i&gt;(&amp; I sure hope it is! Apologies if not.) &lt;/i&gt;

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Adrian Morgan Says: [Word Press -comments on the article linked to above.]
June 26th, 2009 at 6:20 pm 

&lt;i&gt;I&#039;m confused. Surely &quot;passing through galactic plane&quot; and &quot;passing between spiral arms&quot; are completely different things, yet this article seems to refer to them interchangeably. &lt;/i&gt;

Now I&#039;m not terribly sure of this myself,  but my thinking here is that passing through the Galactic plane means rising above and below from the &quot;Galactic equator&quot; which is in a direct line from the &quot;equator&quot; of the Galactic bulge - &lt;i&gt; (Hmm.. Not sure if that makes it clearer ...?) &lt;/i&gt;

Anyway, I think the spiral arms are also in the midplane of the galaxy but at intervals ie. you have the Galactic plane which is :

Spiral arm-&gt; inter-spiral medium (where the Sun is now) -&gt;Spiral arm -&gt; another interspiral medium -&gt; spiral arm -&gt; etc .. 

&lt;i&gt;Given that the number of spiral arms is cited as relevant, it appears to me that this article is really about the cycle of &quot;passing between spiral arms&quot;, and that the conflation between that and &quot;passing through the plane&quot; is an error. (Also note that according to Phil Plait in DFTS page 240, the &quot;passing through galactic plane&quot; cycle is 64 million years.)Could someone clarify these points, please?
&lt;/i&gt; 

Maybe. There does seem to be some ambiguity or potential confusion here. 

Anyone else care to clarify this? I&#039;m not sure I quite understand it myself. :-( </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay. Got it now. I&#8217;m not registered for Word Press so I&#8217;ll post your comments and answers here if that&#8217;s alright with you &#8230; <i>(&#038; I sure hope it is! Apologies if not.) </i></p>
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<p>Adrian Morgan Says: [Word Press -comments on the article linked to above.]<br />
June 26th, 2009 at 6:20 pm </p>
<p><i>I&#8217;m confused. Surely &#8220;passing through galactic plane&#8221; and &#8220;passing between spiral arms&#8221; are completely different things, yet this article seems to refer to them interchangeably. </i></p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m not terribly sure of this myself,  but my thinking here is that passing through the Galactic plane means rising above and below from the &#8220;Galactic equator&#8221; which is in a direct line from the &#8220;equator&#8221; of the Galactic bulge &#8211; <i> (Hmm.. Not sure if that makes it clearer &#8230;?) </i></p>
<p>Anyway, I think the spiral arms are also in the midplane of the galaxy but at intervals ie. you have the Galactic plane which is :</p>
<p>Spiral arm-> inter-spiral medium (where the Sun is now) ->Spiral arm -> another interspiral medium -> spiral arm -> etc .. </p>
<p><i>Given that the number of spiral arms is cited as relevant, it appears to me that this article is really about the cycle of &#8220;passing between spiral arms&#8221;, and that the conflation between that and &#8220;passing through the plane&#8221; is an error. (Also note that according to Phil Plait in DFTS page 240, the &#8220;passing through galactic plane&#8221; cycle is 64 million years.)Could someone clarify these points, please?<br />
</i> </p>
<p>Maybe. There does seem to be some ambiguity or potential confusion here. </p>
<p>Anyone else care to clarify this? I&#8217;m not sure I quite understand it myself. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Morgan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/06/29/death-from-the-spirals-maybe-not-so-much/comment-page-1/#comment-195803</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 03:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@plutonium, I&#039;m talking about the Universe Today article that Phil links to above. At present, there are three comments posted on it. Mine is the second one, pointing out where I find the article unclear and confusing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@plutonium, I&#8217;m talking about the Universe Today article that Phil links to above. At present, there are three comments posted on it. Mine is the second one, pointing out where I find the article unclear and confusing.</p>
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		<title>By: Plutonium being from Pluto</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/06/29/death-from-the-spirals-maybe-not-so-much/comment-page-1/#comment-195783</link>
		<dc:creator>Plutonium being from Pluto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 19 Adrian Morgan - Okay, I&#039;ll check that out &amp; see what I can say.

.... 

Okay .. Just been there looking and can&#039;t find it - yet - what&#039;s the (sub)forum, username tag, &amp; title please? 

@ Coolstar 20 - yes that&#039;s a great hard SF novel too. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 19 Adrian Morgan &#8211; Okay, I&#8217;ll check that out &#038; see what I can say.</p>
<p>&#8230;. </p>
<p>Okay .. Just been there looking and can&#8217;t find it &#8211; yet &#8211; what&#8217;s the (sub)forum, username tag, &#038; title please? </p>
<p>@ Coolstar 20 &#8211; yes that&#8217;s a great hard SF novel too. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: coolstar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/06/29/death-from-the-spirals-maybe-not-so-much/comment-page-1/#comment-195769</link>
		<dc:creator>coolstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since no one seems to have done it yet, I&#039;ll mention Sir Fred Hoyle&#039;s first science fiction novel, The Black Cloud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since no one seems to have done it yet, I&#8217;ll mention Sir Fred Hoyle&#8217;s first science fiction novel, The Black Cloud.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Morgan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/06/29/death-from-the-spirals-maybe-not-so-much/comment-page-1/#comment-195757</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d still appreciate a clarification with regard to the comment I posted on the Universe Today article. (I actually created an account in order to ask it.)

In response to Cindy, it was definitely in the mid nineties. I don&#039;t remember the exact year, but I distinctly remember reading about it and realising that some of my childhood astronomy books were out of date. I read about it in one of World Book Encyclopedia&#039;s annual science supplements, which we received from 1994 through 1997.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d still appreciate a clarification with regard to the comment I posted on the Universe Today article. (I actually created an account in order to ask it.)</p>
<p>In response to Cindy, it was definitely in the mid nineties. I don&#8217;t remember the exact year, but I distinctly remember reading about it and realising that some of my childhood astronomy books were out of date. I read about it in one of World Book Encyclopedia&#8217;s annual science supplements, which we received from 1994 through 1997.</p>
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		<title>By: Plutonium being from Pluto</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 12.   Jeff : 

&lt;i&gt;“Crucially, [the tapes] could once and for all dispel 40 years of wild conspiracy theories.”

I don’t like the implication “wild conspiracy theories” . Why wild?? prove it. ...  I feel on each and every issue, a huge argument like above should occur before someone says it’s a “wild” theory. That is just a ploy to label people as kooky and violates every rule of logic in the book. &lt;/i&gt; 

Okay first - wrong thread for this comment maybe? 

Second - &quot;wild &quot; to me just implies unlikely, far out , extraordinary, strange, improbable, etc .. &amp; quite often gets applied to serious mainstream SF theories too. 

For instance, Einstein&#039;s  Relativity and  &lt;i&gt;?Somebody&#039;s?* &lt;/i&gt;Quantum mechanics genuinely scientific theories could be (and have both been) described as wild and we don&#039;t call Einstein and &lt;i&gt; ?Whoever?* &lt;/i&gt; kooks because of the (accurate) strangeness / bizarreness or wildness.

Thirdly -and lastly, &quot;wild&quot; is an apt and accurate description for almost all coinspiracy &quot;theories&quot;. 

Eg. To say the idea that the Earth is hollow, that Venus was ejected from Jupiter as a giant comet &amp; played comic pinball withErath &amp; Mars over recent millennia, that Zeta Reticulan lizard men are really the secret rulers of Earth, etc .. is just &quot;wild&quot; not to mention rather ludicrous and clearly wrong. 

No offence intended but if something is wild why should it be called wild? 

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* Insert the name of the Quantum Mechanics founding scientist here. I forget who it was - Bohr maybe? Or Dirac? Or Schrodinger... ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 12.   Jeff : </p>
<p><i>“Crucially, [the tapes] could once and for all dispel 40 years of wild conspiracy theories.”</p>
<p>I don’t like the implication “wild conspiracy theories” . Why wild?? prove it. &#8230;  I feel on each and every issue, a huge argument like above should occur before someone says it’s a “wild” theory. That is just a ploy to label people as kooky and violates every rule of logic in the book. </i> </p>
<p>Okay first &#8211; wrong thread for this comment maybe? </p>
<p>Second &#8211; &#8220;wild &#8221; to me just implies unlikely, far out , extraordinary, strange, improbable, etc .. &#038; quite often gets applied to serious mainstream SF theories too. </p>
<p>For instance, Einstein&#8217;s  Relativity and  <i>?Somebody&#8217;s?* </i>Quantum mechanics genuinely scientific theories could be (and have both been) described as wild and we don&#8217;t call Einstein and <i> ?Whoever?* </i> kooks because of the (accurate) strangeness / bizarreness or wildness.</p>
<p>Thirdly -and lastly, &#8220;wild&#8221; is an apt and accurate description for almost all coinspiracy &#8220;theories&#8221;. </p>
<p>Eg. To say the idea that the Earth is hollow, that Venus was ejected from Jupiter as a giant comet &#038; played comic pinball withErath &#038; Mars over recent millennia, that Zeta Reticulan lizard men are really the secret rulers of Earth, etc .. is just &#8220;wild&#8221; not to mention rather ludicrous and clearly wrong. </p>
<p>No offence intended but if something is wild why should it be called wild? </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211; </p>
<p>* Insert the name of the Quantum Mechanics founding scientist here. I forget who it was &#8211; Bohr maybe? Or Dirac? Or Schrodinger&#8230; ?</p>
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