LRO First Light images of the Moon!

By Phil Plait | July 2, 2009 12:13 pm

[Update: Ken Bowley on Facebook clued me in that the LRO camera has a page where you can see the raw images, and zoom in -- WAY in -- on the image strips. They have 73 cm resolution, folks. Yikes.]

The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter has returned its first images from the Moon! Woohoo!

Check. It. Out!

LRO first light

Whoaaaa.

This image, taken in the Mare Nubium region of the Moon, shows a heavily cratered area. The scale here is amazing: the whole image is 1400 meters across, or just under a mile. That’s like looking out your airplane window… if you were over the frakking Moon! Even in this compressed image (click to embiggen) features just a few meters across are distinguishable. See that perfectly circular crater just to the right and a tad below the middle of the picture? It’s about 60 meters across, just a bit bigger than two tennis courts end-to-end. It would easily fit in a football stadium.

Holy Haleakala.

It’s a little difficult to interpret the image; for example, near the bottom in the middle I thought for a moment I saw a crater chain. I don’t think that’s real; our eyes tend to pick out linear features even when they aren’t there. Too bad, because that would be cool; crater chains form when an asteroid or comet breaks up before it hits, and we do see them on pretty much every cratered object in the solar system. You can also get them near a larger impact, when junk ejected from the crater splashes out and lands nearby.

I guarantee we’ll see lots of such chains as LRO snaps more pictures. Awesome.

Check this one too:

Hummocky Moon region seen by LRO

This image has the same scale as the other, and shows a region of low hummocks undulating across the Moon. I don’t have much to say scientifically about this particular picture, but I will say that it is eerily beautiful, and completely enthralling. I wouldn’t mind having that framed over my desk!

So there you go, folks. If you want to explore the Moon, all you have to do is sit back and wait for the images to roll in. And remember: when it settles into its final orbit, the pictures LRO takes will have a resolution of 0.5 meters, or 18 inches!

Wow. I cannot wait to see more.

P.S. If you liked this article, you might like this one as well where I dissect an image of the Moon taken from the space station.

CATEGORIZED UNDER: Astronomy, NASA

Comments (133)

  1. jb

    it is amazing that regardless of the resolution the Moon always looks the same..grey and rocky :)
    very cool pics
    jb

  2. This is why I read BA! Keep up the astronomy, and tone down the sceptics. Thanks!

  3. dhtroy

    Phil,

    I read somewhere that NASA plans to image the area from our Moon mission, do you know if this is true? and if so, will we finally be able to see the stuff we left behind on the surface?

    I would think, at that close range, we should, but then, I’m a noobie with this stuff, so you’ll have to enlighten me.

    Regardless, these pictures are amazing.

    D.

  4. John Karabaic

    Does that mean it will get pictures of the Apollo landing sites with enough detail to distinguish larger objects?

  5. Kit

    So, in the top picture, what is the D shaped “mouth” on the lower edge of the large dark area on the left side? It has a bright edge all the way around. The other craters have sunshine on one side and are dark on the other.

  6. By a strange coincidence, that’s the exact spot on which I plan to open my first restaurant.

    “Great food. No atmosphere.”

  7. Kit,

    That area is blacked out because it shows the moonbase currently under construction by the zeebleboid armada. Our government is heavily influenced by their participation in our energy and medical advances. You can’t possibly think we have come all this way by ourselves, can you?

  8. Levi Larrington

    Those are pretty fuzzy and blurred; I still am not convinced the moon exists.

  9. IVAN3MAN

    [Grammar Mode]

    Phil Plait:

    That’s like looking out your airplane window…

    There is a missing preposition in that sentence; it is more grammatically correct to state: That’s like looking out of your airplane window…

    [/Grammar Mode]

    :cool:

  10. That is cool, and difficult to interpret.
    Are the littler craters on the sides of big ones the ejecta stuff, (can’t remember the name) impacts of the stuff thrown out by the meteor impact, or just random impacts near the spot that the bigger one hit.
    Either way it’s cool.

  11. Mchl

    OK… so I suppose behind the scenes plan in NASA is to have Eagle landing site photographed before July 20th 2009? :P

    [edit]

    Hey! There’s a giant ear in on the left of the first picture!

  12. What we’ll see is drag marks away from the landing site, leading to disguised trapdoors in the surface.

  13. Guysmiley

    Like Buzz said, magnificent desolation. Very cool!

  14. Even if it can see our relics on the Moon, you know those pictures will be brushed off as fakes as well. Paranoia is its own justification for existence.

  15. Eddie Janssen

    http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/lroc_20090702_a.html

    On Jul 2, 2009 11:49 AM Knight in white cotton wrote:

    I might have the lamest question/comment in the solar system but here goes. My mother is lunar land hoax person. One of their arguments is that you can’t see where we landed on the moon. Obviously not possible to view from Earth because you would need a telescope lens the size of Wyoming. However,would it be now be, with the LRO cameras, possible to capture images of the actual landing site with the LM descent section still there?
    Again my apologies for the inanity of the question but I am curious.

    Thanks so much,
    KIWC

    NASA Moderator: Yes, we will be taking images of Apollo sites. Should be able to see a good amount of detail.

    So far KIWC and NASA

    Anyone in for a prediction what the moon-hoax reply will be?

  16. Gary

    I think it’s a sign that I’ve tracked one too many interplanetary probe missions when my first reaction to having new photos from the LRO was “wait, didn’t the LRO just launch like, last week?”

    Hooray for heavenly bodies within summer vacationing distance! ;) And double yay for high-res shots of the Moon… it’s about dang time; Google Moon seriously needs a refresh.

    @ Eddie #17: I’m betting “Photoshop. The reflections are all wrong, you can see the pixels. I Know About These Things(tm).” :P

  17. Eddie:

    Yes, the response will be that LRO pictures of the landing site were faked also.

  18. Neil

    Whether the alleged future photos of Apollo landing site remnants are TRUE is irrelevant since no such photos by NASA can serve as the independent verification demanded by the scientific method.

    If NASA were dedicated to science as they foist themselves to be, they would have given their high resolution LRO camera to the Japanese, Chinese, Indians or Europeans for use aboard one of their underequipped lunar oribiters. I realize this a highly insulting statement implying that the people of those nations or regions are incapable of building their own comparable or even superior cameras. Nevertheless, they did suspiciously fail to send cameras of sufficient power to resolve and independently verify Apollo landing site remnants. It’s absurd that none sent such a camera when any and all should have.

    Very strange until you recognize it all as a hoax.

  19. Mick

    Have you spotted any faces yet Phil? :-) Maybe someone with a beard? Not to worry, I’m analysing the data with my special face recognition software, I’ll get something (at some resolution). Fantastic pics.

  20. Bob

    Let me just take this opportunity to say the moon landing is a hoax. No flags, no moduels can be view from here on earth. And considering we have much more advanced technology now than we did in the 60s and still we cant go. One of the biggest lies of our time.

    Vedic Cosmology is awesome!

  21. Big Al

    Want spacesuit. Will travel.

  22. Eddie Janssen

    Neil (@20): excellent Poe!

  23. Sean

    Neil,

    There is a simple explanation for NASA’s refusal to build an instrument sufficiently powerful to resolve the Apollo landing site and then give that instrument to other nations for independent verification:

    The NASA directors have had their brains infected by Grey Alien nano-technology.

    A simple autopsy will prove this. However, I will only accept an autopsy performed by Japanese, Chinese, Indians or Europeans, as “the independent verification demanded by the scientific method.”

    NASA’s recalcitrance is very strange until you recognize it all as the work of Grey Aliens.

    -Sean

  24. dhtroy

    I say – all the people that believe the moon landing was a fake, should get together, I’m guessing there should be one or two of you that are rich in that group … build your very own rocket, launch it to the moon, and prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, there’s nothing up there!

    You have your mission. It can be done. Put your money where your mouth is. Go to it.

    We’ll wait.

  25. NGCHunter

    @Neil
    You’ve consistently proven you do not accept independent verification. In your own scenario you would just scream “it’s a prop! they aren’t real artifacts!” like a deranged maniac.

  26. Lorne

    How long before Hoagland(sp?) starts to use the photo’s to back his claims.

  27. Sean

    @NGCHunter (#27)

    As I’ve already explained to Neil, its all the work of Grey Alien mind-control nano-technology.

    How much more proof do you need? Its OBVIOUS!

    Sheesh.

    -Sean

  28. T.E.L.

    Neil,

    It’s not strange, if you realize that those other countries aren’t in the business of pandering to paranoids. They already believe in the Apollo landings. Why would they go to any great lengths just to satisfy you?

    If I’d been to Pitcairn Island, and you disbelieved it, would I bend over backwards to prove it to you? I would only if it mattered what you think. But what you think isn’t the be-all, end-all of my existence. It’s the same way with all the emerging space-faring nations. They’re all more interested in wetting their feet in the sea of interplanetary space. They don’t even know that you exist.

  29. Egaeus

    @Neil

    Yes, it’s very strange. I’m just blown away that the National Aeronautics and Space Administration wants to send things into space. I mean, wow!

    As far as giving away their $multi-million camera to ensure independent verification, well, have you ever stopped to consider that maybe they don’t give two $#!+$ what kooks like you think? And perhaps they realize that no matter what they do, it won’t stop the conspiracy theorists from theorizing that all the world’s space agencies are in cohoots with NASA?

    Heck, even if we had space tourism with visits to the Apollo sites, people like you would insist that they were props set up later to bolster the lies of the past. If we had time travel and you were there to witness it, you’d insist that it was a fake set up by the time travel tourism agency. There is no winning with a conspiracy theorist, which is why they don’t try.

  30. Marilynn

    ~`~

    T.E.L. your point is a good one but then if you think about it, you having to prove you went to Pitcairn Island is hardly a reasonable comparison. You have not bilked the taxpayers out of a gazillion dollars over the years on a supposed LEGACY nor are you accused of single-handedly blackening the integrity and reputation of space science in the US.

    It is no wonder this country went from a moon mission in question to a non-American citizen President in question.

    Developing countries, if they had any sense at all, would land at Apollo ground zero and rub the noses of the gullible with the evidence they’d find…OR lack thereof…

    Most would deserve it.

  31. Stu

    C’mon everyone, stop rising to the bait :-) Let’s celebrate these fantastic images and not get sucked into a never-gonna-win contest re Apollo being a hoax. If a UFO hovered over the White House, threw Eagle’s descent stage out of a hatch and dumped it in the Rose Garden with a note saying “Here! Have your damned rubbish back!” they still wouldn’t believe it… :-)

    We’re back at the Moon! Woohoo!! :-)

    That’s all that matters.

  32. Neil

    NASA says the first images were taken along the moon’s terminator but the terminator isn’t yet at Mare Nubium. Uh oh, oops.

  33. Thomas

    So how long before the moon get mapped and we can browse it on Google Moon?

  34. TEL and Egaeus
    Now now, lets be civil with the simple folk.

    Ever been to the circus and scream at the creatures in the simian habitat? They do NOT like it, and get rather enraged. If you see them reach around to their backside, DUCK! They are quite strong, have good aim and you do NOT want what they will throw at you!

    The Moon Landing hoax folks are simple souls, with terrifying imaginary conspiracies haunting every waking moment of their sad, trailer-bound lives.

  35. Mark Hansen

    Neil once again displays his egregious ignorance. Neil, try checking your facts. Parts of Mare Nubium are past the terminator now and well inside the lit area. So when these were taken (June 30) the terminator would have been where they say it was. Easily checked but for Neil:
    What good are your puny facts against my mighty wild speculations?

  36. Neil

    Maybe I need new glasses, but Mare Nubium was dark yesterday.

  37. Jeff

    all those midget craters speak to the moon’s lack of erosion and atmosphere.

    I doubt even Mars has that amount of midget craters. Even the dust storms and thin Martian atmosphere would quickly erode craters of that size.

    Also, you’ve gotta ask: what size meteorites created those tiny craters: maybe 1/10 the size of the craters themselves. What would happen on earth, they wouldn’t even reach the ground in the first place if they were that size; the atm would burn them up in all likelihood.

  38. Mark Hansen

    Perhaps you do Neil, or a better lunar atlas. You could always try using some astronomy software instead. I know cash can be tight for someone who is being kept out of the employment market by {hushed voice} the evil overlords {end hushed voice}, but why not try Stellarium? If your system isn’t the most modern, stick with version 0.9.1. Oh, and do remember that Mare Nubium does cover a large area so that not all is lit at the same time unless it’s closer to full moon. Facts, man, facts! They work!

  39. T.E.L.

    Marilynn Says:

    “T.E.L. your point is a good one but then if you think about it, you having to prove you went to Pitcairn Island is hardly a reasonable comparison. You have not bilked the taxpayers out of a gazillion dollars over the years on a supposed LEGACY nor are you accused of single-handedly blackening the integrity and reputation of space science in the US.

    The point is only that India, China and Japan have no particular reason to make some special effort to prove that the U.S. put people on the Moon. Why should they? They’re setting out on their own programs of exploration. They’ve engineered and built their own spacecraft. They’ve launched them. They know perfectly well that it’s possible to hurl machines to other planets. And if you can hurl a payload to the Moon, then it’s not much of a stretch to imagine putting some people inside.

    Seriously: the Moon, the planets, the stars… they’re just more of what we have here. There are no special laws of physics just for us on Earth. Earth is not enveloped in a magical box that we cannot penetrate. Space travel is no more mysterious than tossing a rock skyward. It’s just a matter of throwing it hard enough.

  40. Neil

    I think it’s reasonable to say that the Japanese Space Agency wouldn’t have had to pay for the high resolution camera if they sent one. I’m confident that Canon, Minolta, Nikon, etc. would have fought to pay for it and build it in exchange for the advertising and bragging rights.

    Americans didn’t go to the moon and the Japanese would have been the first to independently verify that they didn’t.

    It’s a much bigger and scarier hoax than most can imagine. It crosses national boundaries and exposes the shadow of some unseen power more monstrous than even the U.S. government.

  41. Personally, I’m of a different mind considering what’s going to happen once we get the HD images of the landing sites for Apollo and other missions.

    Nothing is going to deter the hard core MHB’s, as demonstrated above, but a lot of the people who are fence sitters and only mildly skeptical of the program will believe their own eyes and admit that, yes, we actually landed on the moon. Why? It’s the same reason that we, who were there at the time, believed it was really happening.

    When looking at some historical event like this, it’s easy to compress the decade-long Apollo program into a bunch of facts and images. From this it’s easy to cherry-pick the pieces you want to support your “theory” and dismiss the rest. But for those of us who lived through it from Alan Shepard’s Mercury flight on, the project it was a decade of unfolding events that we witnessed real time. The Apollo 1 fire wasn’t just a date and some photographs, it was an event we heard on the news for weeks, first as the terrible announcement, then the endless replay of facts and interviews with NASA folks, the funeral (carried live) and the months-long investigation and results. There was a detail and saturation that defied artifice (I’m talking the whole project now, not just the fire).

    In the same way, I don’t know of any MHB’s, even the hard core ones, that deny that the Shuttle is real and that crews routinely go up and back from orbit, or that the ISS is real and that there are people on it. Why? for the same reason, they’ve been watching it happen “real time” over the past decade or two. There is a sense of reality that can’t be faked, and when the photos come in, there will be a reality to them as well.

    Like creationists that have to admit that micro evolution happens, I’m sure they will be shoring up their arguments about radiation and such to prove that while orbital flight is possible, the the moon flights didn’t happen just like macro evolution can’t happen.

    A lot of the trolls above are just preemptive postings showing a predisposition to not believe evidence that they haven’t even seen yet.

    - Jack

  42. T.E.L.

    Neil Says:

    “It’s a much bigger and scarier hoax than most can imagine. It crosses national boundaries and exposes the shadow of some unseen power more monstrous than even the U.S. government.”

    I think that you, Neil, are an operative in this plot. The Elders have you hang out on boards and blogs, following a carefully scripted tactical program to make the hoax seem unfashionable. It’s working.

  43. Stone Age Scientist

    OMG!! Someone’s been digging for the Pot of Gold!! Red Alert!! Calling Darby O’Gill’s good friends!! Calling Darby O’Gill’s good friends!! Red Alert!! Red Alert!!

  44. Lars

    I just linked the LRO site to my Twitter and FaceBook (does that make me a twit-face?) I am waiting in breathless anticipation for the HiRes pictures to return. And I’m ingnoring Neil, Can’t afford to lose any more brain cells in ridiculous arguments. Thanks Phil for keeping us all updated!

  45. I hope what Jack #46 said is true. I was also there. People trying to tell me it was fake is just the same as calling me a liar or worse, stupid. But I’ll end my rant there. It’s a pointless effort.

    What I really hope is that the images of the landing sites will be released to coincide with the 40th anniversary and that the networks carry it. It’s something I would love to re-live!

  46. Straelbora

    So, Marilynn, you’re both a ‘lunatic’ and a ‘birfer?’ Did the Bush (2) administration orchestrate 9/11? Was Kennedy assassinated by the Illuminati? Do you wear tinfoil hats, too?

    Seriously, at what point does a person not cross the bridge into adulthood, and instead cling to conspiracy fantasies?

    I don’t know if it’s been this poisonous, juvenile set of beliefs which have undermined support for space exploration, or if increasing bureaucratic stupor which undermined NASA to the point of sapping public support. I’m hoping that private industry will start to fill the void, and NASA can redevote itself to science.

  47. Jeff

    I’m an ex-fence sitter HBer (Phil’s BAUT forum cured my HB disease because it is loaded with scientists and engineers who will take any HBer back to school quickly) and am now a cured HBer.
    (and by the way… grumpy grump grump: Neil Armstrong’s extreme shyness and lack of still photos of him at the Apollo 11 site sure didn’t help any, why the heck didn’t they let Buzz land first, he’s a worthy spokeman). I read a 100 page transcript Neil did somewhere probably on the 25th anniversary, and in all that 100 pages, he talked, in a lukewarm way, about the time he spent on the moon for maybe a page. Don’t they get it??? This just feeds the HB frenzy .

    My point is, there are a lot of long term taxpayers out there who expect their government and its reps like the NASA people to take them seriously. Sometimes I feel like shouting out: “NASA, don’t you see us citizens out here?? are you treating us like children or idiots on purpose??” And since I am a physics major, watched the moon landings, was exhilarated and inspired by Apollo, and then the big letdown: no more moon missions ; and now I’ve paid them mega bucks in taxes, please let me have my fume (or don’t you believe in free speech anymore?? directed at all bloggers who shout down anyone with an opinion) .

    However, I would still like to see Apollo images from LRO, I’ll believe them, and my ilk of fence-sitting HBers might also.

  48. Buzz Parsec

    I’m certain Neil does not exist. I’ve seen purported pictures of him, and there were no stars.

    Also, no human being could survive the moronic radiation. Morons, of course, are particles of stupidity emitted by internet trolls.

  49. Torbjörn Larsson, OM

    no such photos by NASA can serve as the independent verification demanded by the scientific method

    Wrong, they are independent of, say, the original photos. Maybe you could hypothesize that NASA are lousy observers, but the reverse has been found to be true.

    What a hardcore denialist or Poe like Neil is saying here is that it isn’t ‘verification demanded by the anti-scientific method’.

  50. Torbjörn Larsson, OM

    why the heck didn’t they let Buzz land first, he’s a worthy spokeman

    I seem to remember the Scandinavian conspiracy theory at the time (oy! another one!) was because Buzz was said to have some recent Scandinavian ethnic roots, and this would have stolen focus on the international arena. The other one (what was his name again? Neil something? :-o ) presumably had longtime US roots.

  51. American English is funny “airplane” sounds so… shorthand. I prefer the languorousness of “aeroplane”.

    Photos of space junk on the moon will not satisfy the deniers. They’ll just say we’re not denying props weren’t landed on the moon it is just people weren’t (landed on the moon). All we need is a simple vacuum blah blah blah… eh Neil?

  52. @Marilynn
    It is no wonder this country went from a moon mission in question to a non-American citizen President in question.
    Say what?
    *pokes troll with stick*

  53. ItGotCutInHalf

    The truth about the moon is …

    The secret was too schocking to be revealed until now …

    There is nothing on the other side, it’s a demisphere.

    The other side was sold to aliens a long time ago.

    There you have it ! Have a nice day !

  54. bigjohn756

    I don’t think you get an airplane, or an aeroplane, a mile high on the moon. Maybe a pogo stick would work though.

  55. George E Martin

    Neil @20 said:

    If NASA were dedicated to science as they foist themselves to be, they would have given their high resolution LRO camera to the Japanese, Chinese, Indians or Europeans for use aboard one of their underequipped lunar oribiters.

    Hey Neil, why would they want to carry one? Could they even carry one? Their missions were designed with their own goals in mind and that dictated the design of the spacecraft.

    And I doubt that the camera carried by the LRO is even NASA’s camera. From one of the links in Phil’s post, I suspect that the camera was built and is being managed by a group at Arizona State University. NASA funds of course, but it was not NASA built. It’s a one off instrument for a specific mission.

    George

  56. The moon is a great astronomical body to study, especially if you are interested in impacts, craters and extraterrestrial collisions. Young scientists take a look at these pictures and ponder what the Earth would look like if the moon wasn’t absorbing so many hits from space.

  57. Neil

    @Lars–
    Have you had the time to visit “artist thought criminal” Ernst Zundel or “chemical engineer thought criminal” Germar Rudolf in German prison? British Historian, David Irving, was also in Austrian prison for thought crimes but was released. Germany tried its best to extradite Australian, Gerald Toben, from the UK for “thought crime” but were unsuccessful.

    It’s because of their outrageous thought crime laws that I support the immediate deportation of all German and Austrian foreign nationals from the United States. It’s a serious violation of human rights that should be severely punished.

    I have no doubt that there are disgraceful forces within the United States (many of them on this blog) that would persecute me with “Apollo denial thought crime laws” if they could but, fortunately, Citizens of the United States continue to enjoy 1st and 2nd Amendment Rights. I love my LIBERTY and I love my right to my very high-caliber semiautomatic weapons that preserve it.

  58. @Neil
    I love my right to my very high-caliber semiautomatic weapons
    Let me be the first to say welcome to our very high-caliber semiautomatic weapon bearing overlord.

    Yoicks, that is just scary. Just who are gun amendment people trying to intimidate when they bring it up?

  59. I disagree with the German holocaust denial laws but there are legitimate historical reasons for enacting those laws. The Germans already suffered the 3rd Reich, they don’t want to have to suffer a 4th. But of course Neil denies the holocaust occurred and that Hitler was either one of the good guys or in on the Zionist plot. The Zionist Bolsheviks were the baddies.

  60. George E Martin

    Neil @63 says:

    British Historian, David Irving ….

    Ah a Holocaust denier. Things are starting to fit together.

    George

  61. Will it be possible for LRO to take images of the materials left behind by the Apollo missions? That would be awesome and truly shut up the moon hoax believers. Would be pretty awesome to see.

  62. Neil

    You’re talking to a guy that was bullied, mobbed and terminated from the University of California after exposing illegal hiring practices, active hiring discrimination against American citizens, illegal funneling of corporate welfare to select faculty-affiliated corporations and open questioning of the events of 9/11 with grad students. I know we’re a small step away from legislating thought control. I’m ready for it. You and anyone else that might support criminalizing thoughts are wise to be intimidated. I and others are prepared to handle the possibility with the most extreme resolve.

  63. Mark Hansen

    George E Martin, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet. Scoot over to the previous entry on this blog about the LRO and prepare to be dazzled. Warning: May contain nuts.

  64. T.E.L.

    Neil likes to say, out of one of his tongue’s forks, that U.S. citizens are effectively enslaved, then from the other fork he says that we enjoy empowering rights, such as to own arsenals of firearms. The Elders must be using those liberties as a smokescreen to distract us from our lack of liberty.

  65. T.E.L.

    Neil, no government has ever succeeded at criminalizing thought. You see, the problem is that people keep going right ahead and thinking anyway:
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/1,1518,434399,00.html

  66. Ryan

    Related to the Holocaust denier tangent, this seems like the place that might know this. Is there any convenient point by point rebuttal to holocaust denier claims? Like Phil’s moan hoax rebuttal, but about the Holocaust?

  67. Mark Hansen

    T.E.L., you forgot to mention that Japan is one of the few that can verify that NASA is crooked despite being involved in maintaining NASA’a crooked ISS prop by adding sections to it. So effectively what Neil is saying is that the Zionists in Japan will expose their fellow Zionists in the US to prove that there are no Zionists (or maybe prove that there are; I’m not sure) and the world will explode (or maybe collapse into a singularity; I’m not sure).

  68. Stu is absolutely right. This is a time for celebration, not giving the whack-jobs like what’s-his-name the pleasure of a response. See the other LRO thread for all of his b.s., repeated ad infinitum.

    These photos are amazing. I’m hauling out my telescope tonight and looking at the moon with, as H.G. might say, envious eyes! We’re back, baby! And this time I hope we have the resolve to stick with it.

    I want my moon base, dammit!

  69. Neil

    @Ryan–
    You’re welcome to make a point by point rebuttal to this:

    WHY I THINK THE HOLOCAUST IS A HOAX TOO

    The holocaust has been called by some the best documented crime in human history but if that’s the case, one should reasonably expect some documentation of gas chambers. With all the allied soldiers passing through the liberated camps, not a single soldier got a single photo of any gas chamber. No Nuremberg Trial investigator did either. To this day, no documentation exists that gas chambers ever existed at any camp. Modern forensic testing techniques could confirm the existence of gas chambers but they are forbidden.

    Simple arithmetic shows that using the most sophisticated, state-of-the-art cremation ovens available today(http://www.matthewscremation.com/products/humanCremationEquipment.asp), it would have taken at least 250 modern ovens impossibly operating 24/7 to incinerate only half the alleged six million in the time allotted for the holocaust(<1000 days). Cremation ovens are some nearly indestructible things; made of heavy iron and refractory brick, one could be hit with a 1000lb. bomb and still be recognizable. No documentation or count of ovens was ever performed by any Nuremberg Trial investigation.

    Lice insecticide, Zyklon B is still manufactured as Uragan D2 in the Czech Republic in the Draslovka Kolín factory and has been proven ineffective as an agent of mass murder. It's heat activated and would take many hours to produce any lethal concentration of cyanide. (Even under very controlled conditions, it's very difficult to kill someone using gaseous cyanide as California learned during its last disaster of a San Quentin gas chamber execution.) Cans of Zyklon B were found in liberated internment camps because lice and the resulting typhus disease were killing many internees and efforts were made to eradicate the insects. We had DDT for our Japanese-American concentration camps; the Germans used Zyklon B. (Had we lost that war, propaganda might have said we mass murdered Japanese using DDT gas.)

    TRUTH fears no trial. TRUTH fears no question. The easiest way to know the holocaust is a hoax is to recognize that Germany, Austria and other nations have erected outrageous laws prohibiting the questioning or investigation of the holocaust. Scholar historians and chemical engineer thought criminals are currently imprisoned for questioning the holocaust. (You can question God, Christ, Mohammad or Moses but Thou Shalt Not Question the Holocaust.) TRUTH does not need the protection of laws. TRUTH can stand on its own. Only lies need the protection of laws. The holocaust is a lie.

    Today’s holocaust cottage industry was jump-started with the1978 Skokie, Illinois march absurdly led by an alleged neo-Nazis who was a Jew, Frank Cohen, alias Frank Collin who was eventually imprisoned for molesting children and is now operating a new scam concerning Egyptian gold found in a Wisconsin cave. (I couldn't make this stuff up!) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Collin

    Zionist-controlled mainstream media with tight control of information is assisting in the formation of a new taxpayer-financed faith-based holocaust religion whose foundation, like most religions, is mainly myth. If you’ve got the guts, watch the video at http://www.holocaustdenialvideos.com/
    This website has some good information on it also, http://www.judicial-inc.org/

    The TRUTH shall yet ye free, but first IT shall make ye extremely miserable.

  70. Mark Hansen

    I am curious about one thing with the LM descent stage. How much deterioration will there be of the Mylar covering? It’s been sitting outside for 40 years and getting an awful lot of UV with no sunscreen. Does Mylar crumble and will that leave a small halo of glittery Mylar fragments around the lander?

  71. Paul M.

    Neil is most obviously one of the conspirators – has to be. If he weren’t then the Overlords(tm) would have made him quietly disappear by now. Everything he says serves merely to make the conspiracy crowd look kookier and more marginalised. It’s a cunning ruse that allows the Overlords(tm) to continue with their nefarious plans because no one will take the threat seriously.

    Excuse me now, there’s someone at the door…

  72. T.E.L.

    Mark Hansen,

    That’s not really mylar on the LM. All the golden crinkly stuff is Kapton foil. This of course doesn’t answer your question directly; but I tend to think it stands a chance of still being attached to the stage for the most part, since Kapton is used regularly on probes that work for years in direct sunlight. However, there’s bound to be considerable perforation from tiny meteorites.

  73. ethanol

    I’ve often wondered how long the landing stages will last, precisely how they will decompose, and what they will look like after a million or so years of UV and micrometeorite impact. That is if they don’t get encased under glass domes and surrounded by crowds of milling tourists. Actually they’d probably last longer without the attention.

  74. Stu

    Everyone, PLEASE stop feeding the troll! It’s not rocket science – the more you stamp on his bridge, the more he’s going to shout! The best way of tackling them is to just ignore them, then eventually they get so bored with checking for replies to their rants and finding none that they go back to surfing Kennedy conspiracy sites and Google image searching for pictures of Bigfoot. Everyone, please just turn away… that’s it, don’t look back… there. Much better.

    C’mon, let’s not waste time with Apollo conspiracy theories. We know they went, the hoaxers refuse to believe it, never the twain shall meet, end of story. It doesn’t matter. What matters is that over the next year we’re going to be drooling again and again over pictures from LRO. We are going to see breathtaking detail inside craters and on mountains. We’re going to see, more than likely, some of the hardware that took Man to the Moon. We’re going to see images of the places where Man will return to the Moon, and where we will, finally, start to be a truly space-dwelling species – essentially, we’re going to see sites that are as historically important as anything here on Earth. And they’re just the images we can predict. Just as has been the case with MRO there will be images that will surprise, shock and delight us, images that will revolutionise our view of the Moon, images that will make us fall in love with our nearest neighbour all over again and make us all feel differently about it whenever we look up and see it shining in the sky…

    And I don’t know about you, but I refuse to let anyone spoil this for me.

  75. Flying sardines

    Sheesh, its that troll “neil” again … :roll:

    Hey ‘neil’ did you ever answer my questions on that other thread when the LRO was launched? Oh & whatever happened to your prediction that the LRO would “mysteriously / suspiciously” fail? Or hasn’t the Zionist conspiracy that controls everything arranged that ‘failure’ yet?

    PS. Still sure its the evil Jews and not the Zeta Reticulan lizard men instead, ‘neil’? :roll:

  76. @T.E.L
    However, there’s bound to be considerable perforation from tiny meteorites.
    In 40 years? How many micrometeorites per metre hit the moon every year? If, or when, I go on holiday up there one day should I carry an umbrella?

  77. Petrolonfire

    @ 77 Stu :

    Yeah, but sometimes the temptatation is too hard to resist and the trolls bizarre roaring can be entertainingly funny in a face-palmin’ springeresque sorta way. ;-)

    I vote internet troll-baiting to become the next olympic sport! >;-D (Devil -horned smiley)

  78. Petrolonfire

    @ 83 Shane :

    If, or when, I go on holiday up there one day should I carry an umbrella?

    I’d make sure you were wearing a spacesuit first! ;-)

    At least when you go outside of Armstrong base anyway. Actually, at the rate we’re (not) going, you may need your Chinese-English phrasebook as well .. :-(

  79. @Petrolonfire
    Apparently I’ll need some some ungodly strong vacuum resistant box too, a billion Torr or something, because spacesuit membranes burst in a real vacuum. Apparently.

  80. Spectroscope

    @ neil :

    Today’s holocaust cottage industry was jump-started with the1978 Skokie, Illinois march absurdly led by an alleged neo-Nazis who was a Jew, Frank Cohen, alias Frank Collin who was eventually imprisoned for molesting children and is now operating a new scam concerning Egyptian gold found in a Wisconsin cave. (I couldn’t make this stuff up!)

    Oh, go on, don’t be so modest, of course, you could … and, as a matter of fact, actually did. :roll:

    Or if not you personally, then some other anti-semitic nutjob with more paranoid dementia than real brains.

    I know, I know … DON”T FEED THE TROLL * but still … sometimes its hard to know what’s best: rebuttal or ignoring. Should somebody add a link to a Holocaust museum or some of the info pages of so many Holocaust survivors or something or just treat it with the contempt it deserves? Anyway ..

    Wonderful to see those Lunar Reconnaisence Orbiter images BA. My thanks & congratulations go to the team involved. :-)

    —–

    * Collective “shout from the crowd” caps.

  81. Mchl

    Neil: I invite you to come over here and see these places where (as you say) Holocaust did not take place. I have family members who’ve been killed there.

  82. Mchl is right. I must have dreamed walking through a “shower” and they were obviously baker’s ovens and not a crematoria when I visited some of these places.

    But we are wasting our time.

  83. IVAN3MAN
  84. Mathamatical Mystery

    Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
    Please everyone, can we ignore the Hoaxers and let them prattle in silence. Without replies, i’m sure they will soon dissapear in a puff of logic.

    Personally I think it would be cool to get some pictures of the Apollo sites before the end of the month. In fact it would be uber awesome win cool :)

  85. Stuart van Onselen

    Who gives a damn about liars, fools and morons? Am I the only one who thinks that getting pics of the landing sites would be so frikken cool just for their own sake? I’d have an instant nerdgasm just looking at them! (I recall having one when we got pics of one of the martian rovers).

    Not that “cool” is a reason to divert a multi-multi-million dollar program, but if they’re going that way anyway, they’ll get mega-nerd-karma when they release the pics.

    By the way, I really don’t believe there are any trolls. Open your EYES, people!!! You sheeple are being DUPED by Them into believing in the existence of these mythical creatures. By responding to imaginary people you’re doing exactly what They want you to! It’s a huge conspiracy right under your noses that your REFUSE to acknowledge just because of your insane trust of Authority! Grow a pair and look behind the curtain!!!

  86. Neil

    @Flying Sardines–
    Yes, we had an interesting discussion. I’ve got everybody in checkmate, but as you would expect, they can’t admit it although they can’t supply the answers to extract themselves and keep flailing.
    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/06/17/shuttle-delayed-until-july-lro-goes-up-thursday/#comment-192686

    Spectroscope–
    Follow the link. Do the research. Frank Collin is a very interesting Jew and former neoNazi.

    Mchl–
    But first we sent them to the barbershop where their hair was shaved to be used in hair-stuffed mattresses, then they were forced to undress. The Nazi guards would then leer pornographically at the prettier Jewesses before herding them all into the delousing showers but instead of water would rain the poisonous cyanide gas from the heat activated Zyklon B insecticide pellets normally used to exterminate lice carrying the disease typhus in their excrement that had a hard time killing bugs let alone humans. After many hours of cyanide release, a lethal concentration would sometimes eventually be produced despite none of the showers being designed as gas chambers. Then guards would enter with gas masks to haul the heavy limp dead Jews to the ovens. There they were sorted. If they were tattooed, their skin was flayed for use as decorative lampshades. If they were pretty or had interesting facial features, their heads were cut off for use as popular novelty shrunken heads. If they were plump, their fat was liposuctioned to be rendered into Jew soap. If they were young and tender, they were butchered to be used to prepare a tasty Jew broth that was canned for later use to make Jew soup.

    The holocaust is a lie.

    Like I’ve said before, if you’re desperate for a holocaust, research the bombings of Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Any book about the Eastern Front might satisfy your thirst also.

    The holocaust is a hoax brought to you by the same Zionist media controllers that brought you Apollo, 9/11 and ISS.

    @Shane–if you’re talking about the alleged shower on the Auschwitz tour, you should watch the David Cole video supplied at the holocaustdenialvideo link I provided. David Cole, a Jew, documented that the curators at Aushwitz admitted the shower building was built by the Soviets after they liberated the camp. Even if it had been true, Zyklon B, invented by a Jew, has been proven ineffective as an agent of mass murder. Modern forensic techniques could verify the location and existence of former gas chambers but they are forbidden. Can you guess why they’re forbidden?

  87. Ryan #72: Is there any convenient point by point rebuttal to holocaust denier claims?

    Try The Nizkor Project.

  88. it is simple to asume one of the greatest mans acheivements to land on the moon is seems it is to hard of a achievment to take picture of it

    what is going on

  89. it is one of mans greatest achievements to land on the moon

    it seems a equally a greater achievement to take photo of it

    what is going on here

  90. Jeff

    @Neil,
    I have no doubt that there are disgraceful forces within the United States (many of them on this blog) that would persecute me with “Apollo denial thought crime laws” if they could but, fortunately, Citizens of the United States continue to enjoy 1st and 2nd Amendment Rights. I love my LIBERTY and I love my right to my very high-caliber semiautomatic weapons that preserve it.

    Neil, I have good news and bad news for you. First the bad news, you’re flat wrong about the Apollo moon missions. They really did go there. The good news is, you’re probably right about them persecuting you for Apollo thought crimes if they could. You see, even though you are dead wrong about Apollo, I am a kindred spirit with you because you and I believe in free speech. Moreover, I believe that labelling anyone as “nutjob”, whatever derogatory, just is disgraceful. They only thing they should ever do, is simply argue with you, one point at a time, everything you think as to why they didn’t land on moon. I am not going to do it, friend, because I’ve already been down that road and am tired. And for those just flippantly using the term “conspiracy theorist” ; you are just labelling and not arguing your case.

  91. @dhtroy @3:

    “I read somewhere that NASA plans to image the area from our Moon mission, do you know if this is true? and if so, will we finally be able to see the stuff we left behind on the surface?”

    Not only will the LRO be imaging Apollo sites, but the public can get involved with the LROC camera by requesting targets. I’ve linked to a collectSPACE.com article on it. To quote the article, written by Leonard David:

    “Already in the request database are a variety of targets on the lunar surface, including the Apollo landing sites, Surveyor spacecraft, early Ranger impact points, Soviet lunar probes, and S-IVB rocket stage and lunar module ascent stage impact points.”

  92. BTW, I am now recruiting for my moonbase B&B/spa.

    Applicants must have purple hair and a fondness for stylish tight clothing.

  93. @ Jeff:

    Moreover, I believe that labelling anyone as “nutjob”, whatever derogatory, just is disgraceful. They only thing they should ever do, is simply argue with you, one point at a time, everything you think as to why they didn’t land on moon. I am not going to do it, friend, because I’ve already been down that road and am tired.

    The reason why you are tired, is because one cannot argue “one point at a time” with a nutjob. (Yes, that is what I said. Nutjob. I would also add, nutter, moron, idiot, bonehead, putz, dork, wingnut, vacuum head, dingaling, dip, twit, nit, moof, numbskull, eedjeet, maroon, imbecile, crank, airhead, ditz, blockhead, bonehead, ignoramus, addlebrain, harebrain, dolt, simpleton, ninny, dunce, fool, dumbdumb, dodo, dimwit, dimbulb, dumbbell, schnook, spaz, and a few dozen more.) Read any previous post on this or any blog in which people such as ____ interject their idiocy. You cannot argue with them. You cannot be rational with them. You cannot expect intelligent debate from them. They are nutjobs. There, I said it again. Free speech. (Not really, since this is Dr. BA’s blog and he can dictate what can an cannot be said.)

    While I’ve dived in to the shallow end of the pool with these maroons often enough, I agree totally in this case with Stu and others who say, as far as the LRO and the moon is concerned, anyway, enough is enough!

    GO NASA! GO LRO! Find me a primo site for my moonbase! I’m not getting any younger, dammit.

  94. Jeff

    kuhnigget: “You cannot argue with them. You cannot be rational with them. You cannot expect intelligent debate from them. They are nutjobs. There, I said it again.”

    Ok, free speech, you’re entitled to your opinion. But it defines a clear difference of opinion between my ilk of people who think you can and should argue with them, point by point ; and your ilk of thought that would rather just jump to the “nutjob” label. Trouble is, where do you draw the line, I mean , really who and what is a nutjob. Careful now, or else, those labels will grow to encompass bigger groups of people, to the point where it’ll encompass the whole human species.

  95. Well, Jeff, I guess you draw the line at rationality. If someone can present a rational argument for their opinions, then it doesn’t matter to me if those opinions are far-out or different from mine. At least they back them up with a thoughtful (although possibly wrong) argument.

    But nutters don’t do that. They present opinion as fact, refuse to provide back-up, ignore evidence contrary to their opinions, and generally speaking behave irrationally.

    As to the human species, I suspect you could probably make a case that a large percentage of the population do count as nutjobs. :)

    Now, back to the WOO-HOO! GO NASA! GO LRO!

  96. Jeff

    kuhnigget:

    “Well, Jeff, I guess you draw the line at rationality. If someone can present a rational argument for their opinions, then it doesn’t matter to me if those opinions are far-out or different from mine. At least they back them up with a thoughtful (although possibly wrong) argument.
    But nutters don’t do that. They present opinion as fact, refuse to provide back-up, ignore evidence contrary to their opinions, and generally speaking behave irrationally.”

    Actually, after reading this, I see that we agree after all . But even in those irrational cases, I still don’t do labels. You have to be careful with that, because other people, not as intelligent as you, might start using them just to groupthink or follow. And then you see, there do grow problems from labels .

  97. chaboyax

    ok so we are (mostly) here because we love what nasa is doing and the great pics just released. so when a prat like neil comes on spouting his c**p we all have to stop and talk nicely with him yer right

  98. Buzz Parsec

    Jeff – you speak like the irrational cases are rare and unusual. Maybe they are, but they post a lot. Neil has long since proved himself one of them.

  99. Moogie

    I found this site because I was looking for Pictures from the LRO probe. I find Humanities acheivement of space travel an incredible step. For myself I think I was bown a century to early at 35 I will never have a chance to see what space travel will give us.

    That being said, after I have read Neils and others refute mans acheivement of landing on the moon I was sadden to say the least. I guess those are the same people that say man never created the pyramids.

    Open your mind, Man can do almost anything. Going to the moon is simple stuff. There is no need to create a hoax of it.

    I’m not trying to change anybody mind, I believe and that is all that matters. I am just sad that others find it impossible for us to be able to do it.

    Go LRO keep it up I too can’t wait for a moon base. I hope my kids get to work there at some point. Who knows maybe their kids will work on a mars base…

  100. DrFlimmer

    @ Moogie

    Good points! Reminds me of JFK: “…not because they are easy, but because they are hard!”

  101. Woof

    kuhnigget:

    Is that a nanotorr vacuum head? Gotta get that force factor right!

  102. Stuart Van Onselen

    @chaboyax

    No need to talk nice to what’s-his-face – Just don’t talk to it at all. Let it fester in a pool of disinterest, until it starves or moves on.

  103. Clint

    I can’t believe that no one has commented on the giant sandworm in the first picture. An ear? Hardly. That’s a maw!

  104. @ woof:

    Whatever, but I don’t guarantee it for use with anything but NASA issued gloves. Anything else will cause your fingers to asplode.

  105. Lars

    Thanks Stu! What you said makes sense, I will comply. No more poking the trolls!

  106. Torbjörn Larsson, OM

    I believe that labelling anyone as “nutjob”, whatever derogatory, just is disgraceful. [...] t flippantly using the term “conspiracy theorist”; you are just labelling and not arguing your case.

    As some commenters noted there is absolutely nothing wrong with those labels, they are eminently descriptive. (On the problems of labels, agreed. Everything can be misused in one way or other.)

    And, on known crackpot theories, these labels are simply part of a reference to the actual facts, such as in “Holocaust nutjob.” You don’t really have to argue “a case”, even if it putatively can be meaningful in case there would be ignorant bystanders. At least, reformed creationists have relatively often noted that debates started them thinking.

    More generally, I see that “denialism” blog theory of the crank can be updated with newer research. I used to believe incompetents were stuck in their state of incompetence, as they are also incompetent to recognize their troubled state.

    Turns out that there is actually a way out proposed by later research. By increasing a methodological skill, any skill, incompetents in general can perhaps bootstrap away from stupidity and “learn how to learn”.

    The problem is then how to motivate those contextually and methodologically stupid and now putatively lazy nutjobs to actually do something worthwhile.

    dissapear in a puff of logic

    LOL! But no, I’m pretty sure that is what happens with aged philosophies.

    Grow a pair and look behind the curtain!!!

    “Eyeballs!!!”, I say.

  107. TheSlat

    this is so cool! you know I have to admit too, that I thought pretty fast of the landing sights. I could care less about convincing some crazy people about reality. To me though, I bet seeing some pictures of that gear left behind will have a deep emotional effect akin to seeing old pictures of innovators or seeing the wright brothers plane. Its the kind of picture I would hang on the wall over my studying desk.

    Phil says it will get .5m resolution once it settles, and thats pretty darn awesome. but I did a quick search and according to wikipedia the lunar lander is 9.07m in diameter (landing gear, thats all thats left right?) so by my guess that means it will be about 18 pixels in diameter on the resulting image. anyone know relative size of other objects left on the moon? my experience is mostly in satellite imagery of earth but I presume we are speaking the same language.

  108. T.E.L.

    Here’s a rough estimate of how many hits the Apollo 11 LM Kapton may have taken. If we approximate the descent stage as a cylinder of 4.2 m diameter and 2 m height, that’s about 26.4 square meters of foil. The Lunar Orbiter Program recorded 0.16 meteoroid hits per square meter per day. If we assume it’s equally likely for any square meter of foil to be hit, that means there could be over 61,600 punctures in Apollo 11′s foil. It could be in tatters.

  109. @ TheSlat:

    While the LM landing stage may only be a few meters across, the landing sites themselves should be easily visible. All the activity, on foot and by rover in the later missions, significantly altered the albedo of the terrain (lunain??). That change should make the sites stand out like sore thumbs. I’m hoping to see the trails left by the rovers, which should allow us to retrace the missions step by step.

    How cool is that!!!!

  110. Neil

    Seems we should be showered with a steady stream of moon photos by now. They made the point of releasing two to show the camera works but have cut us off dry. Hoaxes are very controlled events. Information must be carefully metered to give greater credibility to the fraudulent narrative.

  111. I would be interested in seeing the Saturn S-IV stage impact sites. I suspect that these may be the largest “man-made features” on the Moon’s surface.

  112. @ 3Dcritter:

    Yeah, that was some pretty hefty chunks of metal slamming into the surface. Should be a pretty good crater.

    I’m looking forward to seeing some of the stuff I always like looking at through my telescope. Again, to quote Gene Cernan, “That’s a place! (We’ve) been there!”

  113. skeptic

    I don’t see anything special about these pictures.

  114. Mark Hansen

    Thanks for the info about the LM covering, T.E.L. Don’t know where I read that it was mylar but at least I know better now.

  115. @ kuhnigget

    Dry mass was around 11,000kg, impact velocities 2.5-2.6 km/s and impact angles 11-25 degrees from vertical.

    I’ve tried to run some estimates, but most of the calculators assume a solid object. My non-expert calculations based on the impact energy indicate a typical S-IV crater might be about 30-40 meters across and 8 meters deep. I would also assume that the visible ejecta would cover a considerably larger area.

    Calculator here:
    http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lunar/tools/lunarcratercalc/

    Data and locations for LM and S-IV lunar impact sites:
    http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/apollo_impact.html

  116. Mark Hansen

    skeptic (post 120), what were you expecting to see? These were, as mentioned in the NASA link, test photos. The people at NASA weren’t sure if they’d turn out ok as they were taken close to the terminator. Don’t worry; the shots of the Vegas theme park in Tycho will look much better.

  117. @ 3dcritter:

    Thanks for the links. Can’t wait to see images of those sites.

    I wish those conspiracists would hurry up and get their photoshopping done. :)

  118. Joel

    I can’t wait until the latest lunatic nonsense comes out of Richard Hoagland about these pictures. I can see it now, he will highlight some random series of craters, state something about geomagnetic-psychic energy caused them and claim they are evidence of a NASA coverup of intelligent civilisation on the moon.

  119. @ Joel:

    Maybe the dueling lunatics (“didn’t go” conspirators vs. “hiding what they found” conspirators) will come together and explode like matter and antimatter, thus ridding the world of their idiocies once and for all.

  120. I made a film called DID WE GO?
    I was paid $65,000 from the State of Ohio to try and prove we really landed on the moon.

    I traveled all over OHIO trying to get Neil to talk…he will not talk to anyone.

    Here is link to my film on youtube. It opens with me on WLW-AM Radio in Ohio, trying to reach out to Neil

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM3Mt1Vym3g

    please share this link

  121. 115. T.E.L. Says: “Here’s a rough estimate of how many hits the Apollo 11 LM Kapton may have taken…that means there could be over 61,600 punctures in Apollo 11’s foil. It could be in tatters.”

    Remember, though, that the sides of the descent stage are mostly vertical, so only the off angle hits would go through. Besides, the exhaust plume from the ascent engine may have done significant damage as it left. From the Apollo 16 and 17 video (from the rover) we can see an awful lot of foil flying away at ignition.

    - Jack

  122. StevoR

    @128 realitysurfer :

    Check out the BA’s moon hoax page – the claims the hoaxers raise in your videoclip are debunked quite satisfactorily there.

    I, for one, believe Buzz Aldrin, the Apollo-era hatch-closer and all the other hundreds of Apollo workers who the hoaxers badly insult and defame.

    Oh & look up the idea of Occam’s razor too.

  123. DaveM

    We’ve been at it (taking pictures) now for a couple of months and all I can find are about 30 photos> Where are the rest of them? There should be hundreds by now and more probably thousands of high quality photos in NASA’s possession. Why can’t the public see them?

  124. Mark Hansen

    DaveM, the best way to get an answer is probably by contacting NASA. It’s their probe.

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