Channeling Malcolm McDowell?

s/Democracies/Republics/

The cost of safety is conformity, restriction, and repression.

You can bank on it.

“Squirrel!!!”

The big problem with these guys is not that they just disagree, it’s that they derail threads with completely irrelevant crap, and make everything about themselves.

Freedom of speech and freedom to express yourself publicly are important principles – We do indeed need to be eternally vigilant about protecting them – & not just for those who share our views but more importantly those who don’t too.

Censorship and banning those who say what we disagree with is almost always wrong.

@ 70. Neil :

I learned something yesterday. I learned Neil Armstrong is jewish. How interesting is that?

Not at all – even if it were true.

Buzz Aldrin was a Catholic who held himself a private one man mass on the Moon. What difference does it possibly make?

Are you trying to imply anyone jewish is an evil overlord of some sort? Or are doing the bidding of the Zionist Elders, the Zeta Reticulan lizard-men or Antartican nazis or the Emperor of Pluto or whoever else you’ve dreamt up in a paranoid fever? Are even you that crazy?

If it was true then I think it’d be kind of nice – a catholic and a jew together on the Moon – it’d tell us that the US and NASA are tolerant, unfussed about religion and welcoming of all faiths and ethnicities. Which, pretty well, they are.

As it happens Armstrong is, I believe in truth, a private unpreachy, deist or agnostic / atheist. Several Apollo astronauts were or became quite religious Christians (Jim Irwin & Charlie Duke) and most others don’t seem to have strong religious sentiments one way or the other. All of which really means diddly squat and makes no difference at all to their accomplishments in the Moon-landings.

Well, with the possible exception of disproving the Moon-hoaxers insane and inane claims that it was all a strictly jewish plot of some kind.

@ 84 Grisha : Armstrong’s genealogy is traced and documented extensively in his authorized biography “First Man” By James R Hansen.

Yes – an excellent book. I read that the other year and found it very interesting, very well written and very comprehensive. It gets 9 /10 from me.

Incidentally, apparently – if I recall right – an earlier generation of Armstrong’s were rebel cowboys or something. I believe that their town actually barred the Armstrong clan from returning on pain of death … or maybe horsewhipping.

Think that was mentioned in that ‘First Man’ book too. I’d look it up & confirm /give exact info. but, alas, don’t have a copy of it myself – borrowed it from library.

@ 83 Grisha again : “My favorite, however, has got to be that his real first words on the moon were “Good luck, Mr. Gorsky”. that one has been around for ever but is a bit off-color, so I leave it to readers to google.”:

Yeah, that is a good tale / joke – albeit, minorest of nits, I thought they were supposedly his *second* line on the Moon?

@ 74 Phil Plait : Good. That tedious troll has been wrecking & hijacking every Moon-related thread with his drivel for ages.

PS. Hmm … Hijacking a thread to get it *on* the topic of the Moon landings -wow! Who’d have thought!

I learned Neil Armstrong is jewish.

How interesting is that? ”

No, but I heard that Werner von Braun was a Nazi. Who knew?

I learned Neil Armstrong is jewish.

How interesting is that?

Oh and by the way, Armstrong’s mother was Viola Louise Engel, a third generation German-American. She and her family were Lutherans and she herself a devout, bible studying Christian. Armstrong’s father was of Irish descent and Presbyterian. Armstrong’s genealogy is traced and documented extensively in his authorized biography “First Man” By James R Hansen.

I know, don’t feed the trolls, but people really need to look stuff up.

I learned Neil Armstrong is jewish.

How interesting is that?

He’s also Muslim and a 33rd degree Mason (Buzz was a Mason, not Neil)

Both of those urban legends have been around for years. You can google them both.

My favorite, however, has got to be that his real first words on the moon were “Good luck, Mr. Gorsky”. that one has been around for ever but is a bit off-color, so I leave it to readers to google.

Poor Neil, no wonder he stays home.

For every wacky claim there is a contradictory even wackier claim.

Back on topic, Happy Birthday America.

Instead of derailing this talk back why don’t you head over to the JREF forums where your ideas can be torn apart in a more appropriate venue.

I provide the link to a peer-reviewed scientific paper published in a respected scientific journal that PROVES the World Trade Center was packed with nanothermite……

Here are some interesting facts on the author of that ‘scientific paper’ by Prof. Steven E. Jones. In the autumn of 2006, amid controversy surrounding his work on the collapse of the World Trade Center, he was relieved of his teaching duties and placed on paid leave from Brigham Young University.

Steven E. Jones [was] a professor at Brigham Young University. He [had] created the paper which has created the ground swell around the 911 conspiracy theories. His paper was peer reviewed, but not by a civil engineering journal. [Editor: My emphasis] One would think a serious professor would get his paper peer reviewed by a scientific journal which specializes in the field they are writing the paper on.

But is Professor Jones qualified to create a paper which says the towers must have fallen due to explosives? He is a physics professor but what experience does Jones have in building collapse forensics? He has none. His other peer reviewed papers consist of cold fusion technology. He conducts research in nuclear fusion and solar energy. Nothing in his background would suggest he is qualified to write a civil engineering paper on the infinitely complex building collapse of the towers.

Brigham Young University doesn’t want anything to do with the paper.

A few department chairmen at Jones’ university have issued critical statements, though none of these has yet addressed any of the points which Jones made in his paper and at his presentation at BYU. Chairman of the BYU department of Civil and Environmental Engineering, Dr. Miller, is on record stating in an e-mail, “I think without exception, the structural engineering professors in our department are not in agreement with the claims made by Jones in his paper, and they don’t think there is accuracy and validity to these claims”.

The BYU physics department has also issued a statement: “The university is aware that Professor Steven Jones’ hypotheses and interpretations of evidence regarding the collapse of World Trade Center buildings are being questioned by a number of scholars and practitioners, including many of BYU’s own faculty members. Professor Jones’ department and college administrators are not convinced that his analyses and hypotheses have been submitted to relevant scientific venues that would ensure rigorous technical peer review.” The College of Engineering and Technology department has also added, “The structural engineering faculty in the Fulton College of Engineering and Technology do not support the hypotheses of Professor Jones.”

Jones says his paper will pass peer review again. But will it pass peer review in a respected civil engineering journal? Nothing less would be taken seriously.

One of Jones BYU colleagues had this to say after reading his paper…

Letter to the Editor
Refuting 9/11 Conspiracy Theory

April 09, 2006

Dear Editor,

After reading in the Daily Herald the presentations made by Professor Steven E. Jones (BYU Physics) to students at UVSC and BYU, I feel obligated to reply to his “Conspiracy Theory” relating to the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center (9/11/01).

I have studied the summary of the report by FEMA, The American Society of Civil Engineers and several other professional engineering organizations. These experts have given in detail the effects on the Towers by the impact of the commercial aircraft. I have also read Professor Jones’ (referred to) 42 page unpublished report. In my understanding of structural design and the properties of structural steel I find Professor Jones’ thesis that planted explosives (rather than fire from the planes) caused the collapse of the Towers, very unreliable.

The structural design of the towers was unique in that the supporting steel structure consisted of closely spaced columns in the walls of all four sides. The resulting structure was similar to a tube. When the aircraft impacted the towers at speeds of about 500 plus mph, many steel columns were immediately severed and others rendered weak by the following fires. The fires critically damaged the floors systems. Structural steel will begin to lose strength when heated to temperatures above 1000 degrees Fahrenheit. Steel bridge girders are bent to conform to the curved roadway by spot heating flanges between 800 and 1000 degrees Fahrenheit. It is easy to comprehend the loss of carrying capacity of all the structural steel due to the raging fires fed by the jet’s fuel as well as aircraft and building contents.

Before one (especially students) supports such a conspiracy theory, they should investigate all details of the theory. To me a practicing structural engineer of 57 continuous years (1941-1998), Professor Jones’ presentations are very disturbing.

D. Allan Firmage

Professor Emeritus, Civil Engineering, BYU

More critiques of his paper can be seen here.

I learned something yesterday.

I learned Neil Armstrong is jewish.

How interesting is that?

Not very.

It’s also not true.

I provide the link to a peer-reviewed scientific paper published in a respected scientific journal that PROVES the World Trade Center was packed with nanothermite and you charge “conspiracy theory.”

*Sigh*

Counter-arguments:

* Rethinking Thermite

* Sol-gel, thermite, and the WTC

* Grimmer, thermite, and the WTC

But I was bullied, mobbed, threatened, assaulted, fired, sabotaged and libeled by an unaccountable criminal Zionist-controlled University of California.

I also had the Federal thought police (Zionist mafia muscle) come banging on my door supported by a small army of local cops because of my internet writings. At the time I was making serious waves at Yale in my attempt to incite a strike for 9/11 TRUTH. They didn’t have an arrest warrant because I didn’t break the law but our Zionist mafia controllers are powerful enough to dispatch them anyway to harrass. It took about two minutes in my unintimidated standoff against the cops in my driveway where I finally realized the local boys in blue weren’t really there to assist the Feds but rather to protect me. At one point I had to intercede to calm everyone down because I thought the local cops were about to beat up the Feds in my front yard. Having no arrests, no complaints and no tickets for a decade helps. Not only that, the Feds subpoenaed my private emails for the previous four years and to top it off handed them over to my former University of California employer to read and distribute.

They wanted my guns but I wouldn’t hand them over.
I even bought more.
I think there are a lot of nervous people in California.