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	<title>Comments on: No, LRO won&#8217;t convince the Apollo deniers</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Mark  Hansen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/07/08/no-lro-wont-convince-the-apollo-deniers/comment-page-5/#comment-213660</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark  Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 06:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, &lt;i&gt;no-one&lt;/i&gt; knows what the Charles&#039; problem is. I&#039;d suggest Irritable Vocabulary Syndrome but I&#039;m not a doctor. He also snowed out Marco Hernandez&#039;s post wherein he responded to Ed&#039;s post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, <i>no-one</i> knows what the Charles&#8217; problem is. I&#8217;d suggest Irritable Vocabulary Syndrome but I&#8217;m not a doctor. He also snowed out Marco Hernandez&#8217;s post wherein he responded to Ed&#8217;s post.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>202.   Ed Says: July 21st, 2009 at 10:10 pm 

So I go to the LRO site, read the copy and look at the pictures. Then I put NASA and their words to test. I suggest you all do the same. I would like to know what you came up with.

” The spacecraft’s current elliptical orbit resulted in image resolutions that were slightly different for each site but were all around four feet per pixel. Because the deck of the descent stage is about 12 feet in diameter, the Apollo relics themselves fill an area of about nine pixels. However, because the sun was low to the horizon when the images were made, even subtle variations in topography create long shadows. Standing slightly more than ten feet above the surface, each Apollo descent stage creates a distinct shadow that fills roughly 20 pixels.”

I used the Apollo 14 picture with the 100 meter scale, zoomed in, and started counting pixels. If you zoom to 2000 x, every single click to the right or left is two pixels.

The 100 meter guide turned out to be 232 pixels x 4 ft = 928 ft = 282.8544 meters. 

The Apollo relic is suppose to be 9 pixels. I counted 63, which at 500 x, was a 9×7 rectangle. I didn’t count the random edges just to be fair. 

Now the shadow, I went very conservative again and only counted the main rectangle, 12×25 = 300. NASA only counted 20.

What were your numbers?

203.   Charles J. Slavis, Jr. Says: July 22nd, 2009 at 10:21 am 
204.   Charles J. Slavis, Jr. Says: July 22nd, 2009 at 10:23 am 
205.   Charles J. Slavis, Jr. Says: July 22nd, 2009 at 10:26 am 
206.   Charles J. Slavis, Jr. Says: July 22nd, 2009 at 10:36 am 
207.   Charles J. Slavis, Jr. Says: July 22nd, 2009 at 10:38 am 
208.   Charles J. Slavis, Jr. Says: July 22nd, 2009 at 10:44 am 
209.   Charles J. Slavis, Jr. Says: July 22nd, 2009 at 10:52 am 

What&#039;s Your Problem Charles J. Slavis, Jr.?
Didn&#039;t want us to see Ed&#039;s post did ya ?
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>202.   Ed Says: July 21st, 2009 at 10:10 pm </p>
<p>So I go to the LRO site, read the copy and look at the pictures. Then I put NASA and their words to test. I suggest you all do the same. I would like to know what you came up with.</p>
<p>” The spacecraft’s current elliptical orbit resulted in image resolutions that were slightly different for each site but were all around four feet per pixel. Because the deck of the descent stage is about 12 feet in diameter, the Apollo relics themselves fill an area of about nine pixels. However, because the sun was low to the horizon when the images were made, even subtle variations in topography create long shadows. Standing slightly more than ten feet above the surface, each Apollo descent stage creates a distinct shadow that fills roughly 20 pixels.”</p>
<p>I used the Apollo 14 picture with the 100 meter scale, zoomed in, and started counting pixels. If you zoom to 2000 x, every single click to the right or left is two pixels.</p>
<p>The 100 meter guide turned out to be 232 pixels x 4 ft = 928 ft = 282.8544 meters. </p>
<p>The Apollo relic is suppose to be 9 pixels. I counted 63, which at 500 x, was a 9×7 rectangle. I didn’t count the random edges just to be fair. </p>
<p>Now the shadow, I went very conservative again and only counted the main rectangle, 12×25 = 300. NASA only counted 20.</p>
<p>What were your numbers?</p>
<p>203.   Charles J. Slavis, Jr. Says: July 22nd, 2009 at 10:21 am<br />
204.   Charles J. Slavis, Jr. Says: July 22nd, 2009 at 10:23 am<br />
205.   Charles J. Slavis, Jr. Says: July 22nd, 2009 at 10:26 am<br />
206.   Charles J. Slavis, Jr. Says: July 22nd, 2009 at 10:36 am<br />
207.   Charles J. Slavis, Jr. Says: July 22nd, 2009 at 10:38 am<br />
208.   Charles J. Slavis, Jr. Says: July 22nd, 2009 at 10:44 am<br />
209.   Charles J. Slavis, Jr. Says: July 22nd, 2009 at 10:52 am </p>
<p>What&#8217;s Your Problem Charles J. Slavis, Jr.?<br />
Didn&#8217;t want us to see Ed&#8217;s post did ya ?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles J. Slavis, Jr.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/07/08/no-lro-wont-convince-the-apollo-deniers/comment-page-5/#comment-209630</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles J. Slavis, Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could NASA save money by firing the people responsible for incompetence?</description>
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		<title>By: Charles J. Slavis, Jr.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/07/08/no-lro-wont-convince-the-apollo-deniers/comment-page-5/#comment-209624</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles J. Slavis, Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NASA should be issued jump suits without pockets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NASA should be issued jump suits without pockets.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles J. Slavis, Jr.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/07/08/no-lro-wont-convince-the-apollo-deniers/comment-page-5/#comment-209623</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles J. Slavis, Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They may have been abducted by aliens.</description>
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		<title>By: Charles J. Slavis, Jr.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/07/08/no-lro-wont-convince-the-apollo-deniers/comment-page-5/#comment-209622</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles J. Slavis, Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The moon rocks may be at an undisclosed location with Dick Chaney. Perhaps they are with the Weapons of Mass Destruction. Could be in area 51.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The moon rocks may be at an undisclosed location with Dick Chaney. Perhaps they are with the Weapons of Mass Destruction. Could be in area 51.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles J. Slavis, Jr.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/07/08/no-lro-wont-convince-the-apollo-deniers/comment-page-5/#comment-209621</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles J. Slavis, Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 21:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to try for Double Dutch, hide the moon rocks with the original tape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to try for Double Dutch, hide the moon rocks with the original tape.</p>
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