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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, you lucky dog. I sure wish *I* could have seen a Saturn V launch in person.

I was 12 during Apollo 11. I remember using the Saturn/Apollo model I&#039;d just built to explain the flight sequence to my mom. Normally she doesn&#039;t care much for space, science or technology in general but this time even she was interested. That was gratifying.

I&#039;m surprised you remember Apollo 11 at all; I don&#039;t remember John Glenn&#039;s flight when I was 5. (I don&#039;t remember the Cuban Missile Crisis either, but my parents probably shielded me from it.) But as soon as I began to understand space flight I became a dyed-in-the-wool fan. I well remember our teacher rolling a TV set into the classroom so we could watch a Gemini launch. Kids are naturally impatient, and I kept wondering how the astronauts could stand all those waits and the scrubbed launches.

I vividly remember watching the Apollo 11 landing and EVA on the tiny TV set up in the corner of the lodge at Broad Creek Scout Camp in Maryland. I dog-eared our copy of the National Geographic that featured their photography.

My best friend&#039;s father worked on the Saturn V in Huntsville. He got to go to a later launch but my mom wouldn&#039;t let me join him. Sigh. One of these years I&#039;ll forgive her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, you lucky dog. I sure wish *I* could have seen a Saturn V launch in person.</p>
<p>I was 12 during Apollo 11. I remember using the Saturn/Apollo model I&#8217;d just built to explain the flight sequence to my mom. Normally she doesn&#8217;t care much for space, science or technology in general but this time even she was interested. That was gratifying.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised you remember Apollo 11 at all; I don&#8217;t remember John Glenn&#8217;s flight when I was 5. (I don&#8217;t remember the Cuban Missile Crisis either, but my parents probably shielded me from it.) But as soon as I began to understand space flight I became a dyed-in-the-wool fan. I well remember our teacher rolling a TV set into the classroom so we could watch a Gemini launch. Kids are naturally impatient, and I kept wondering how the astronauts could stand all those waits and the scrubbed launches.</p>
<p>I vividly remember watching the Apollo 11 landing and EVA on the tiny TV set up in the corner of the lodge at Broad Creek Scout Camp in Maryland. I dog-eared our copy of the National Geographic that featured their photography.</p>
<p>My best friend&#8217;s father worked on the Saturn V in Huntsville. He got to go to a later launch but my mom wouldn&#8217;t let me join him. Sigh. One of these years I&#8217;ll forgive her.</p>
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		<title>By: skepdad &#187; Blog Archive &#187; See A Rocket&#8230; (Thing #49)</title>
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		<dc:creator>skepdad &#187; Blog Archive &#187; See A Rocket&#8230; (Thing #49)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] That, and watching a rocket launch would be an amazing family vacation. Just read about that on Bad Astronomy. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Laurel Kornfeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurel Kornfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are so lucky to be able to remember the first moon landing and to have been present for the launch of Apollo 15. I was four at the time of the first moon landing and unfortunately, I remember absolutely nothing. My parents say they watched it but cannot remember if I did too. It&#039;s really annoying to know I was here and yet have no memory of such an important event. I do have a memory of watching a later Apollo launch, which had to be Apollo 17, since it was after we moved from an apartment to a house in September 1972.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are so lucky to be able to remember the first moon landing and to have been present for the launch of Apollo 15. I was four at the time of the first moon landing and unfortunately, I remember absolutely nothing. My parents say they watched it but cannot remember if I did too. It&#8217;s really annoying to know I was here and yet have no memory of such an important event. I do have a memory of watching a later Apollo launch, which had to be Apollo 17, since it was after we moved from an apartment to a house in September 1972.</p>
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		<title>By: What the 40th Anniversary of Man Landing on the Moon Means to Me &#171; Brian Taylor ONLINE!</title>
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		<dc:creator>What the 40th Anniversary of Man Landing on the Moon Means to Me &#171; Brian Taylor ONLINE!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] over the past week I could not settle on a suitable title.  It wasn&#8217;t until I read Phil Plait&#8217;s post on what Apollo means to him that the title came to me.  Thank you, Phil, for your great post and for inspiring the title of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] over the past week I could not settle on a suitable title.  It wasn&#8217;t until I read Phil Plait&#8217;s post on what Apollo means to him that the title came to me.  Thank you, Phil, for your great post and for inspiring the title of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Post Apollo &#171; Masks of Eris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Post Apollo &#171; Masks of Eris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Phil Plait has a more eloquent personal opinion. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Friday Link Love 7/24 &#124; Brad&#8217;s Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friday Link Love 7/24 &#124; Brad&#8217;s Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: We Went to the Moon, and that is AWESOME - Advocation.me</title>
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		<dc:creator>We Went to the Moon, and that is AWESOME - Advocation.me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] week marked the 40th anniversary of man landing on the moon.  That is so cool.  Really, just stop and think about that for a minute.  That thing up in the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: johno</title>
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		<dc:creator>johno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was 13 at the time. Remember walking out in the back yard, looking up at the moon, and thinking - there are people up there now. 

What left the greatest impression on me was Apollo 8. Was listening to the broadcast of their show while they were orbiting the moon - I never missed an Apollo broadcast - and when they started reading from Genesis, it seemed so... perfect. I&#039;m not particularly religious, certainly wasn&#039;t then, but at the tender age of 12, that moved me.  It underlined what great things we were doing then. To read the behind the scenes stories now, I&#039;m even more amazed at the problems they solved.  

Those were exciting times, when we took on great tasks to advance humanity. &quot;We do these things because they are hard&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was 13 at the time. Remember walking out in the back yard, looking up at the moon, and thinking &#8211; there are people up there now. </p>
<p>What left the greatest impression on me was Apollo 8. Was listening to the broadcast of their show while they were orbiting the moon &#8211; I never missed an Apollo broadcast &#8211; and when they started reading from Genesis, it seemed so&#8230; perfect. I&#8217;m not particularly religious, certainly wasn&#8217;t then, but at the tender age of 12, that moved me.  It underlined what great things we were doing then. To read the behind the scenes stories now, I&#8217;m even more amazed at the problems they solved.  </p>
<p>Those were exciting times, when we took on great tasks to advance humanity. &#8220;We do these things because they are hard&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: A question</title>
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		<dc:creator>A question</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 79 Gary, 82 John Paradox, 122 Flying sardines  &amp; anyone else I may have missed - thanks for answering my question. Appreciated. :-) 

I did read &#039;The Right Stuff&#039; many years ago ... probably where I remembered the monkey flights from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 79 Gary, 82 John Paradox, 122 Flying sardines  &#038; anyone else I may have missed &#8211; thanks for answering my question. Appreciated. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I did read &#8216;The Right Stuff&#8217; many years ago &#8230; probably where I remembered the monkey flights from.</p>
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		<title>By: Flying sardines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flying sardines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 64.   Todd Peterson : 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Man has never been on the moon. it is all a hoax.&quot; &lt;/i&gt; 

I prob&#039;ly shouldn&#039;t feed you at all troll so  I&#039;ll make this short : 

&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;READ PHIL&#039;s &quot;MOON HOAX DEBUNKING &quot; PAGE. &lt;b&gt;&lt;/u&gt;

Then re-read it twice more slowly .. wait and allow time for the truth to sink in. 

Maybe watch the &lt;i&gt;&quot;Mythbuster&#039;s&quot;&lt;/i&gt; moon hoax conspiracy theory debunking while your waiting. 

Look up all the names of the Apollo astronauts listed by Apollo Roll Call (post 61 here) and think about this : All of these thirty or so astronauts, who were test pilots from navy and airforce and a geologist, all came from a wide range of backgrounds  and all have gone on to write and talk and get interviewed and more. 

Are you calling  &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; of them liars? Yes, you are, you troll -  and NOT just liars but &lt;b&gt;perfect, flawless liars who never slip up at all.&lt;/b&gt; Now do you &lt;u&gt;really&lt;/u&gt; expect us to believe that insulting drivel that passes as a urine-weak &quot;Hoax Conspiracy theory&quot; of yours..??? Sheesh! :roll: 

More than that, you expect the hoaxers to have fabricated everything in a maner that the Soviet Union couldn&#039;t detect at the time and to have fabricated all these exotic Moonrocks that have given us heaps of scientific evidence and you  ignore all the photos, all the eyewitnesses, all the evidence, all the well y&#039;know *reality* as opposed to lame-butt fever dreams of paranoid nutters like yourself .. Sheesh again. :roll: 

PS. If your a Poe you&#039;re a bad one. NOT. Funny. At. All.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 64.   Todd Peterson : </p>
<p><i>&#8220;Man has never been on the moon. it is all a hoax.&#8221; </i> </p>
<p>I prob&#8217;ly shouldn&#8217;t feed you at all troll so  I&#8217;ll make this short : </p>
<p><b><u>READ PHIL&#8217;s &#8220;MOON HOAX DEBUNKING &#8221; PAGE. <b></b></u></p>
<p>Then re-read it twice more slowly .. wait and allow time for the truth to sink in. </p>
<p>Maybe watch the <i>&#8220;Mythbuster&#8217;s&#8221;</i> moon hoax conspiracy theory debunking while your waiting. </p>
<p>Look up all the names of the Apollo astronauts listed by Apollo Roll Call (post 61 here) and think about this : All of these thirty or so astronauts, who were test pilots from navy and airforce and a geologist, all came from a wide range of backgrounds  and all have gone on to write and talk and get interviewed and more. </p>
<p>Are you calling  <i>all</i> of them liars? Yes, you are, you troll &#8211;  and NOT just liars but </b><b>perfect, flawless liars who never slip up at all.</b> Now do you <u>really</u> expect us to believe that insulting drivel that passes as a urine-weak &#8220;Hoax Conspiracy theory&#8221; of yours..??? Sheesh! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>More than that, you expect the hoaxers to have fabricated everything in a maner that the Soviet Union couldn&#8217;t detect at the time and to have fabricated all these exotic Moonrocks that have given us heaps of scientific evidence and you  ignore all the photos, all the eyewitnesses, all the evidence, all the well y&#8217;know *reality* as opposed to lame-butt fever dreams of paranoid nutters like yourself .. Sheesh again. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>PS. If your a Poe you&#8217;re a bad one. NOT. Funny. At. All.</p>
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		<title>By: Flying sardines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flying sardines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 65.   A question : 

&lt;i&gt;What happened to Apollo’s 2 to 7? Didn’t they have any astronauts - or were they the flights with chimpanzees? Weren’t there a couple of monkey flights? &lt;/i&gt; 

7 had astronauts - I presume you mean Apollo&#039;s 2 to 6? ;-)

(I read in a recent issue of &lt;i&gt;&#039;Patrick Moore&#039;s Sky at Night&#039; &lt;/i&gt; magazine that the  Apollo 7 crew of &lt;i&gt;(as noted by &#039;Apollo Roll Call&#039;)&lt;/i&gt;  Wally Schirra, Don Eisele &amp; Walter Cunningham apparently all had bad colds at the time of their flight and were really grumpy throughout.  Apparently mission control found them so bad tempered that none of them ever flew for NASA again! )

Apollo 2-6 were unmanned test flights as already answered by others here but I will add that you may be thinking of the earliest &lt;i&gt; &#039;Mercury&#039; &lt;/i&gt; flights - as written about in Tom Wolfes famous -and well worth reading novelisation - &lt;i&gt;&quot;The Right Stuff.&quot; &lt;/i&gt; 

Before even Alan Shepherd went up the USA sent a couple of chimpanzees - &#039;Ham&#039; &amp; &lt;strike&gt;&#039;Enoch&#039;&lt;/strike&gt; &#039;Enos&#039;  I believe they were named - into space on sub-orbital flights first.  Apparently the test pilots skeptical of the &lt;i&gt; &#039;Mercury&#039;&lt;/i&gt; programme jibed to those who volunteered for it that &quot;A monkey&#039;s gonna make the first flight!&quot;  .. &amp; sure enough it did! ;-)

From Wikipedia&#039;s  Mercury program page :

*** 

Ham, a chimpanzee, launched 31 January 1961 on Mercury-Redstone 2 for a suborbital flight.

Enos, a chimpanzee, launched 29 November 1961 on Mercury-Atlas 5 for a 2-orbit flight. 

*** 

The Russians also launched dogs into space not just &quot;Laika&quot; but Strelka and Belka &amp; others too. Some of those dogs were killed when their rockets blew up. :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 65.   A question : </p>
<p><i>What happened to Apollo’s 2 to 7? Didn’t they have any astronauts &#8211; or were they the flights with chimpanzees? Weren’t there a couple of monkey flights? </i> </p>
<p>7 had astronauts &#8211; I presume you mean Apollo&#8217;s 2 to 6? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(I read in a recent issue of <i>&#8216;Patrick Moore&#8217;s Sky at Night&#8217; </i> magazine that the  Apollo 7 crew of <i>(as noted by &#8216;Apollo Roll Call&#8217;)</i>  Wally Schirra, Don Eisele &#038; Walter Cunningham apparently all had bad colds at the time of their flight and were really grumpy throughout.  Apparently mission control found them so bad tempered that none of them ever flew for NASA again! )</p>
<p>Apollo 2-6 were unmanned test flights as already answered by others here but I will add that you may be thinking of the earliest <i> &#8216;Mercury&#8217; </i> flights &#8211; as written about in Tom Wolfes famous -and well worth reading novelisation &#8211; <i>&#8220;The Right Stuff.&#8221; </i> </p>
<p>Before even Alan Shepherd went up the USA sent a couple of chimpanzees &#8211; &#8216;Ham&#8217; &#038; <strike>&#8216;Enoch&#8217;</strike> &#8216;Enos&#8217;  I believe they were named &#8211; into space on sub-orbital flights first.  Apparently the test pilots skeptical of the <i> &#8216;Mercury&#8217;</i> programme jibed to those who volunteered for it that &#8220;A monkey&#8217;s gonna make the first flight!&#8221;  .. &#038; sure enough it did! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>From Wikipedia&#8217;s  Mercury program page :</p>
<p>*** </p>
<p>Ham, a chimpanzee, launched 31 January 1961 on Mercury-Redstone 2 for a suborbital flight.</p>
<p>Enos, a chimpanzee, launched 29 November 1961 on Mercury-Atlas 5 for a 2-orbit flight. </p>
<p>*** </p>
<p>The Russians also launched dogs into space not just &#8220;Laika&#8221; but Strelka and Belka &#038; others too. Some of those dogs were killed when their rockets blew up. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Flying sardines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flying sardines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 78.   mike burkhart  :

&lt;i&gt;... although when Apollo 11 set down it had only a little fuel left. In the movie &#039;Destination Moon&#039; the ship uses too much fuel landing and have to dump everything overbord to lighten the ship for the trip home - I’m glad Armstrong and Aldrin didn&#039;t have to do this! ;-)  &lt;/i&gt; 

(With a few small corrections from the original.) 

Actually they had to throw half their ship away! ;-)

The LEM (Lunar Excursion Module thatspidery landing ship) split in two and the descent stage stayed behind while the ascent stage &lt;i&gt;(which always reminds me of a Koala&#039;s head)&lt;/i&gt; rose up to meet the rest of their ship. 

And that&#039;s not counting throwing away their whole &#039;Saturn V&#039; rocket! ;-) 

The Apollo rockets  were absolutely awe-inspiring superluminous creations but when you think only the Command module capsule got back - and even that got singed and lost much of its heat shield &lt;i&gt;(thankfully not too much!)&lt;/i&gt; it was pretty wasteful. 

It would be so cool if spacecraft to the Moon and beyond could be like we usually imagine in SF  - more like planes that take off and land intact, then get fueled up and head off to repeat the procedure again .. Maybe one day ... 

@ MAC 112 : 

&lt;i&gt;But as our country becomes ever more risk-averse, it’s good to keep in mind the words of the late “Amazing” Grace Murray Hopper, who once noted that “ships in port are safe, but that’s not what ships are built for.”&lt;/i&gt; 

Great quote. Spot on. :-) 

Also not the only people killed in the whole Apollo program died in a test on the ground - while they were in harbour so to speak.

Safety anywhere is ultimately an illusion anyway. Our society has become far too risk averse, far too PC conscious, far too soft. We need to take some risks because we quite literally don&#039;t get anywhere without doing so. A life where  no risks are taken is a life that has failed and isn&#039;t worth living anyway - in my view. 

Make things as safe as reasonably possible - sure. But no safer. 

Some risks are worth taking and the flying to the Moon - or Mars is one worth taking indeed.

As William Wallace said in &lt;i&gt;&#039;Braveheart&#039;&lt;/i&gt; : 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;We all die. Its just a matter of how and why. ... &amp; dying in your bed many years from now, you would trade all your days from now to then for one chance, just one chance  to come back here and say &quot;you may take our lives but you&#039;ll never take our freedom!&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Which to my way of thinking includes the freedom to fly and go boldly as well as the freedom to express ourslves and control our destinies. 
 
Sometimes we really should just say - never mind the risk, damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 78.   mike burkhart  :</p>
<p><i>&#8230; although when Apollo 11 set down it had only a little fuel left. In the movie &#8216;Destination Moon&#8217; the ship uses too much fuel landing and have to dump everything overbord to lighten the ship for the trip home &#8211; I’m glad Armstrong and Aldrin didn&#8217;t have to do this! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   </i> </p>
<p>(With a few small corrections from the original.) </p>
<p>Actually they had to throw half their ship away! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The LEM (Lunar Excursion Module thatspidery landing ship) split in two and the descent stage stayed behind while the ascent stage <i>(which always reminds me of a Koala&#8217;s head)</i> rose up to meet the rest of their ship. </p>
<p>And that&#8217;s not counting throwing away their whole &#8216;Saturn V&#8217; rocket! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>The Apollo rockets  were absolutely awe-inspiring superluminous creations but when you think only the Command module capsule got back &#8211; and even that got singed and lost much of its heat shield <i>(thankfully not too much!)</i> it was pretty wasteful. </p>
<p>It would be so cool if spacecraft to the Moon and beyond could be like we usually imagine in SF  &#8211; more like planes that take off and land intact, then get fueled up and head off to repeat the procedure again .. Maybe one day &#8230; </p>
<p>@ MAC 112 : </p>
<p><i>But as our country becomes ever more risk-averse, it’s good to keep in mind the words of the late “Amazing” Grace Murray Hopper, who once noted that “ships in port are safe, but that’s not what ships are built for.”</i> </p>
<p>Great quote. Spot on. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Also not the only people killed in the whole Apollo program died in a test on the ground &#8211; while they were in harbour so to speak.</p>
<p>Safety anywhere is ultimately an illusion anyway. Our society has become far too risk averse, far too PC conscious, far too soft. We need to take some risks because we quite literally don&#8217;t get anywhere without doing so. A life where  no risks are taken is a life that has failed and isn&#8217;t worth living anyway &#8211; in my view. </p>
<p>Make things as safe as reasonably possible &#8211; sure. But no safer. </p>
<p>Some risks are worth taking and the flying to the Moon &#8211; or Mars is one worth taking indeed.</p>
<p>As William Wallace said in <i>&#8216;Braveheart&#8217;</i> : </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;We all die. Its just a matter of how and why. &#8230; &#038; dying in your bed many years from now, you would trade all your days from now to then for one chance, just one chance  to come back here and say &#8220;you may take our lives but you&#8217;ll never take our freedom!&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>Which to my way of thinking includes the freedom to fly and go boldly as well as the freedom to express ourslves and control our destinies. </p>
<p>Sometimes we really should just say &#8211; never mind the risk, damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead!</p>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;Apollo 11 moon walks superimposed on a baseball diamond for scale&#8221; and related posts &#124; stealthcereal</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that was probably the best thing I&#039;ve read in the past week, and I&#039;ve been reading a bunch of Apollo stuff.  Excellent story of inspiration!

I remember ever since I was about my dad&#039;s age at the time (13), I&#039;ve been jealous that he got to watch this stuff on TV, the launch, the ghostly images of Armstrong hopping off the LEM foot and uttering perhaps the most famous quote of the 20th century.  I hope in ten years&#039; time I can share that memory with him.  Here&#039;s to returning to the moon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that was probably the best thing I&#8217;ve read in the past week, and I&#8217;ve been reading a bunch of Apollo stuff.  Excellent story of inspiration!</p>
<p>I remember ever since I was about my dad&#8217;s age at the time (13), I&#8217;ve been jealous that he got to watch this stuff on TV, the launch, the ghostly images of Armstrong hopping off the LEM foot and uttering perhaps the most famous quote of the 20th century.  I hope in ten years&#8217; time I can share that memory with him.  Here&#8217;s to returning to the moon!</p>
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		<title>By: bassmanpete</title>
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		<description>Hi Zeno @91. I was 24 at the time of Apollo 11 and I thought that well before the end of the 20th century there&#039;d be a permanently manned base on the moon with regular supply trips and turnover of crew, a powerful telescope and who knows what else. At the time, Patrick Moore (of the BBC&#039;s The Sky At Night programme) said that he couldn&#039;t see there being a base on the Moon for another hundred years. Most people I knew scoffed at that, but it looks like his estimate is going to be much closer than ours :(

I found it hard to believe that the American public lost interest in Moon landings so soon after Apollo 11 (even Apollo 13 didn&#039;t rate high news coverage until the explosion occurred) and that the full programme of landings was terminated early. The space programme after that was a bit like only being able to see local pub bands after you&#039;d been to a Led Zeppelin concert!

Congratulations Phil on a very moving post. I too am jealous of your having seen an Apollo launch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Zeno @91. I was 24 at the time of Apollo 11 and I thought that well before the end of the 20th century there&#8217;d be a permanently manned base on the moon with regular supply trips and turnover of crew, a powerful telescope and who knows what else. At the time, Patrick Moore (of the BBC&#8217;s The Sky At Night programme) said that he couldn&#8217;t see there being a base on the Moon for another hundred years. Most people I knew scoffed at that, but it looks like his estimate is going to be much closer than ours <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I found it hard to believe that the American public lost interest in Moon landings so soon after Apollo 11 (even Apollo 13 didn&#8217;t rate high news coverage until the explosion occurred) and that the full programme of landings was terminated early. The space programme after that was a bit like only being able to see local pub bands after you&#8217;d been to a Led Zeppelin concert!</p>
<p>Congratulations Phil on a very moving post. I too am jealous of your having seen an Apollo launch.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
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		<description>Phil, thank-you.  That was quite touching.</description>
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		<title>By: Joao</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 04:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing this, Phil. Brought tears to my eyes.</description>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 03:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw STS 119 -- ISS/Discovery pass over to the north of Bakersfield 
like a bright silver star that turned gold as it passed to the east 
and further toward Earth&#039;s shadow a couple months ago.

It was a jewel...a guiding star.

But I want desperately to see us go back to the Moon, to prepare 
for the Long Leap to Mars.

We HAVE to go back....!!!!

All of this constant drumbeat of fear in society makes me ill :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw STS 119 &#8212; ISS/Discovery pass over to the north of Bakersfield<br />
like a bright silver star that turned gold as it passed to the east<br />
and further toward Earth&#8217;s shadow a couple months ago.</p>
<p>It was a jewel&#8230;a guiding star.</p>
<p>But I want desperately to see us go back to the Moon, to prepare<br />
for the Long Leap to Mars.</p>
<p>We HAVE to go back&#8230;.!!!!</p>
<p>All of this constant drumbeat of fear in society makes me ill <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Susan S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 03:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful article. I was 10 years old on July 20, 1969, and I remember my whole family being so excited all day, waiting for the landing. My Mom set up the reclining lawn chairs in the kitchen because we could lean back and be comfortable with pillows and blankets while watching the TV in the largest room in the house. I remember them talking excitedly as we watched the Eagle plummeting down towards the surface and the moon getting closer and closer. My four year old sister kept falling asleep even though I kept waking her up to watch. I&#039;ll always remember the feeling of hearing that voice say &quot;the Eagle has landed&quot;. It was the knowledge that you were there, witnessing something momentous that would be part of human history from then on. It seemed like anything was possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful article. I was 10 years old on July 20, 1969, and I remember my whole family being so excited all day, waiting for the landing. My Mom set up the reclining lawn chairs in the kitchen because we could lean back and be comfortable with pillows and blankets while watching the TV in the largest room in the house. I remember them talking excitedly as we watched the Eagle plummeting down towards the surface and the moon getting closer and closer. My four year old sister kept falling asleep even though I kept waking her up to watch. I&#8217;ll always remember the feeling of hearing that voice say &#8220;the Eagle has landed&#8221;. It was the knowledge that you were there, witnessing something momentous that would be part of human history from then on. It seemed like anything was possible.</p>
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		<title>By: MAC</title>
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		<dc:creator>MAC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 03:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was 16 and staying at a friend&#039;s house in Lake Worth, Florida because they had a bigger TV than we did. My buddy Dale and I watched the landing, and thought it would be just a few minutes until the astronauts came out. Some five hours later in the early hours of the morning, they finally did, and Dale took pics of the screen as Neil made his &quot;one small step.&quot; Wonder if he still has them somewhere. We were horribly sleep-deprived that night, but didn&#039;t care a bit. We&#039;d been witness to - and actually felt like participants in - what most historians now call mankind&#039;s greatest achievement.

It was a time when it seemed the whole country was pulling together for the same goal, and there was an almost palpable sense of excitement surrounding the space program and the audacity of actually trying for the Moon. The entire world stopped that day; wherever they were, people in every country with television paused to watch, and even those who weren&#039;t big fans of the U.S. grudgingly acknowledged that historical moment.

Cut to today, and we&#039;re on a merry-go-round to nowhere in space. Those who weren&#039;t alive then or were too young to remember may not realize how a shared adventure can galvanize people from every culture and background. As cool as the ISS is, it can&#039;t inspire those feelings any more than a crosstown bus can. Buzz says our next big jaunt should be to Mars, and I agree. It will have to be an international effort this time, and it will certainly be more fraught with danger than Apollo. 

But as our country becomes ever more risk-averse, it&#039;s good to keep in mind the words of the late &quot;Amazing&quot; Grace Murray Hopper, who once noted that &quot;ships in port are safe, but that&#039;s not what ships are built for.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was 16 and staying at a friend&#8217;s house in Lake Worth, Florida because they had a bigger TV than we did. My buddy Dale and I watched the landing, and thought it would be just a few minutes until the astronauts came out. Some five hours later in the early hours of the morning, they finally did, and Dale took pics of the screen as Neil made his &#8220;one small step.&#8221; Wonder if he still has them somewhere. We were horribly sleep-deprived that night, but didn&#8217;t care a bit. We&#8217;d been witness to &#8211; and actually felt like participants in &#8211; what most historians now call mankind&#8217;s greatest achievement.</p>
<p>It was a time when it seemed the whole country was pulling together for the same goal, and there was an almost palpable sense of excitement surrounding the space program and the audacity of actually trying for the Moon. The entire world stopped that day; wherever they were, people in every country with television paused to watch, and even those who weren&#8217;t big fans of the U.S. grudgingly acknowledged that historical moment.</p>
<p>Cut to today, and we&#8217;re on a merry-go-round to nowhere in space. Those who weren&#8217;t alive then or were too young to remember may not realize how a shared adventure can galvanize people from every culture and background. As cool as the ISS is, it can&#8217;t inspire those feelings any more than a crosstown bus can. Buzz says our next big jaunt should be to Mars, and I agree. It will have to be an international effort this time, and it will certainly be more fraught with danger than Apollo. </p>
<p>But as our country becomes ever more risk-averse, it&#8217;s good to keep in mind the words of the late &#8220;Amazing&#8221; Grace Murray Hopper, who once noted that &#8220;ships in port are safe, but that&#8217;s not what ships are built for.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Knurl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Knurl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On www.WeChooseTheMoon, Armstrong just set foot.

I&#039;m more speechless now than when I was 12 years old in &#039;69.

Must return to Earth.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On <a href="http://www.WeChooseTheMoon" rel="nofollow">http://www.WeChooseTheMoon</a>, Armstrong just set foot.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m more speechless now than when I was 12 years old in &#8217;69.</p>
<p>Must return to Earth.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Knurl</dc:creator>
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		<description>That.  Is. So Special.</description>
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		<title>By: Annie M</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Phil, 

Thanks for sharing such a wonderful story.  Your father sounds like quite a guy.  I was only four and a half, but my Mum sat me down infront of the telly anyway.  One of those, &quot;you&#039;ve got to remember this, even though you don&#039;t quite get it yet&quot;.  I was so impressed I went and cut the long hair off my sweet baby girl doll, so I could call her &#039;Neil&#039;.  

Once my parents got over the dismay of this act of vandalism to a (not that cheap) doll, they found the funny side of it...

My husband and I are really trying to give a love of science/astronomy by exposing them to all we can (including copious space docos and Cosmos DVDs), but mainly through modelling our love of science and astronomy, despite the facts that we are just &#039;ordinary Joes&#039; with no particular degrees or education.  Just for  the love of it.

I am so glad that you have that magazine.  A fabulous momento of just one of  the contributions your Dad made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Phil, </p>
<p>Thanks for sharing such a wonderful story.  Your father sounds like quite a guy.  I was only four and a half, but my Mum sat me down infront of the telly anyway.  One of those, &#8220;you&#8217;ve got to remember this, even though you don&#8217;t quite get it yet&#8221;.  I was so impressed I went and cut the long hair off my sweet baby girl doll, so I could call her &#8216;Neil&#8217;.  </p>
<p>Once my parents got over the dismay of this act of vandalism to a (not that cheap) doll, they found the funny side of it&#8230;</p>
<p>My husband and I are really trying to give a love of science/astronomy by exposing them to all we can (including copious space docos and Cosmos DVDs), but mainly through modelling our love of science and astronomy, despite the facts that we are just &#8216;ordinary Joes&#8217; with no particular degrees or education.  Just for  the love of it.</p>
<p>I am so glad that you have that magazine.  A fabulous momento of just one of  the contributions your Dad made.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What Apollo means to me (Bad Astronomy) Personal history of the Apollo program from Phil Plait. I feel the same way about Columbia. (tags: nasa apollo) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 01:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My there a lot of us 40 somethings here today. Lucky enough to see one of mankind&#039;s greatest achievements but the next 40 years turned out to be a disappointment. No home on the moon, no Mars landing and no flying cars. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My there a lot of us 40 somethings here today. Lucky enough to see one of mankind&#8217;s greatest achievements but the next 40 years turned out to be a disappointment. No home on the moon, no Mars landing and no flying cars. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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