I have an autistic child who started showing symptoms a few months after she was vaccinated. My life has been a living hell ever since and the rates that this neurological disorder is rising at is alarming, especially in Africa where the only descernable link with the West is vaccination programs.

There is a good reason why many health professionals in Australia are refusing these mandatory vaccinations. Health professionals are not stupid, but I guess if the TV or a Medical Journal tells the general public that you’re a lunatic for not vaccinating then the mind-zombies who believe everything they are told and who think the world is a perfect wonderland at the moment are all EXPERTS. Yes, Expert morons.

I guess GMO food is all safe as well, even though the scientific studies that gave extremely bad results for human and animal health were replaced with ‘Marketing Science’ from companies like Monsanto that are getting a monopoly on world seed banks and technology and are Genetically Engineering EVERYTHING.

NEWSFLASH – The world is run by maniac control freaks who are trying to reduce the worlds population dramatically so that they can maintain their total control on the human race. Why do all of the UN philanthropists like Ted Turner say that the worlds population should not exceed 500 million, and say that the UN is on target to meet its world population targets by 2050???

Why is it that when you look at Ted Turners major donations to the UN cause it is 90% Vaccination funding??? Ted Turner also spends 90% of his time talking about how the human race is a disease and there’s too many of us, so I wonder why he spends 90% of his donation funds vaccinating the humans he refers to as a disease??? How if vaccinations were helping mortality rates would he achieve his population goals??

6.5 billion people to 500 million is 12 in 13 people being exterminated by 2050 with zero population growth……The UN says it’s on target, so I wonder what they are doing/using to achieve this.

ANSWER – GMO & Vaccines – not that I’m saying vaccines didn’t start as a good idea and that in essence they are not a good idea, what I’m saying is that they are being used for an entirely different purpose now and the game has changed.

If you don’t see any sense in what I’m saying then by all means go back to sleep, but if you start preaching that EVERYONE should be mandatorily vaccinated because you are too dense to see the truth, then stay the hell away from my face and my family – CIVIL LIBERTY…..Some people think they inherited freedom for some reason when reality is un-ravelling RIGHT NOW. WAKE UP BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE.

If you own a bio-tech/big-pharma company that produces vaccines by culturing a virus and then creating anti-bodies for that virus, then you have access to release this virus into the general populace in order to increase sales and to get pay outs from the UN (on the sly) for helping them with their population reduction goals. And a really good way to spread these viruses is to contaminate the very vaccines that your marketing is promoting with the very virus (or the next strain) so as to complete the cycle and to create great sales and growth opportunities.

If people think that hegelian dialect of this sort doesn’t/isn’t in every business at the moment then you’ve never sat in a board room with a bunch of money hungry blood sucking leeches who would do ANYTHING to increase their profits, especially if it is sanctioned by your new World Government the United Nationsm wo will protect your company from litigation using its supra-national laws that can by-pass the laws of sovereign countries whenever they see fit.

There’s enough info out there to see what is going on and also who is ‘controlling’ this financial collapse to bring in a one world currency… If you can’t descern simple logic from media BS then I pray for your soul, you and the 99% of the rest of the public who have lost their minds and think we live in a mostly benevolent world with pixies and faries dancing in the streets and world leaders who hate money and just love to help people.

WAKE UP!!!!

A person I know died of Non Hodgkins Lymphoma of which nearly half have SV40 identified of which the only source is previous vaccine identified as being contaminated by careful research but put out on the market as vaccines are always safe.

First, citation please. Second, was SV40 detcted in your friend? A citation would be nice to back up your claim.

The Geier team are regularly put down as ignorant and non expert even though they have been working in the field for decades and making many discoveries now accepted by all.

Accepted by “all” who? The majority of the medical establishment would disagree with them. They are also guilty of many serious ethical violations. For example, creating their own IRB, on which they and their friends and clients served, to approve their study. Then there’s using Lupron to chemically castrate kids. Putting kids at serious risk of injury and death with chelation. Then there’s the fact that Mark Geier studied genetics, not epidemiology or infectious diseases. David Geier also has no training in epidemiology or infectious diseases. They have significant financial interests in promoting their anti-vax stance (money from expert witness testimony, services “treating” purported vaccine injury, etc.).

And if all else fails they do get high sums of money from Big Pharma for doing no work.

Citation please.

As said USA has dropped from top place to bottom and now has one child in three neurologically ill and one in two with signs of diabetes. There are of course ten times as many ways that vaccines can cause illness.

Citation please. Specifically, citations showing that vaccines are related to any of those illnesses, and they should be from reputable journals (i.e., no Medical Hypotheses or JPANDS).

For others long stretches in prison as INNOCENTS. USA currently has several thousands in prison and all claiming vaccine harm.

This sounds a bit like a lie. Citation please.

Thimerosal in vaccines are still dangerous and have passed the accepted level by 50 fold.

In case you hadn’t heard, thimerosal was removed from almost every single vaccine (and even the flu vaccine is available in thimerosal-free versions) in the U.S. (thanks to pubic/Congressional pressure, as there was no clear link in any of the science).

Where is your evidence that seems to go against 2 000 years of chemistry and alchemy.

Wait, wait, wait. Alchemy? Seriously?

If thimerosal was at 100 times less we know full well it can still harm people.

Citation please.

A rough estimate puts AD cases with just the amount of mercury found in 4 mercury vaccines.

Hey. There’s a very simple way to determine whether thimerosal is responsible for autism. Take a look at the rates from the ’90s and compare them to the rates from 2005 to present (that allows for ages up to 6 years old who have not received thimerosal-containing vaccines). If the numbers have not dropped, then thimerosal was not responsible. Guess what? Autism rates have not decreased.

As a clue, there is at least one paper published that showed 100 per cent harm (death) using mercury in the form of thimerosal at the level in a vaccine.

You realize that if what you are saying is correct, then everyone that has ever received a thimerosal-containing vaccine should be dead. (Poke, poke. Yep, I’m still alive.)

The reason mercury rested in vaccines for decades longer is simple and easy to explain.

INCOMPETENCE.

Or, it could be that it was safe to use and kept costs of vaccines down, prevented microbial contamination of the vaccines and so on.

You’re big on claims and stupendously short on citations to quality science.

I know I shouldn’t feed the trolls, but… My response is broken up into separate posts so it won’t get blocked by the spam filter.

If you look at the breathing of an infant after vaccine there are huge increases in difficulty which can in rare circumstances (1 in 2000 or less) cause death.

Citation please.

The case of the death to an infant from whooping cough is expected from the adverse effects of vaccines to the mother.

Citation please.

And for every case that is sad there are a thousand that show harm from vaccines. Eg the death of Taylor Brynn Alexander just 6 days after a series of vaccines. The doctor who administered the vaccine has seen it before and before but cant seem to link the death of an infant 6 days after she gave a vaccine even though it has happened many times to this doctor.

Can’t really comment on Taylors case as you did not provide any details or links about her. I did a search and only came across the story told by her mother, but it was lacking in pertinent information. While it may have been the vaccines (which ones?), we cannot conclude with certainty that that is the case. Were there other underlying health issues that had not been diagnosed previously? Were there any other things that occurred that might explain her death that either the mother is not reporting or that she does not remember.

Also, according to the anecdote, the doctor had seen it 3 times in her career, not the “many times” that you say.

See for example the list of adverse effects carefully gained and totally ignored.

Citation please.

The rest of your post about thimerosal is rather incoherent. What are you trying to say about the levels?

Thimerosal is not deadly at the levels quoted by the EPA, CDC, FDA et al but at levels way way down.

Okay, so what is the LD50 of thimerosal? Include your citation.

The death of Harry Clark in 6 hours after a mercury vaccine shows that there is this capability in 1 child in 2000.

Citation please.

Cancer from a vaccine comes at a time interval many times past any current safety testing regimes.

Citation please.

Mercury in vaccines is harmless?

Where is your evidence that seems to go against 2 000 years of chemistry and alchemy.

Mercury is harmful at substantially higher amounts.

So what level would you chicken out of a mercury vaccine? 0.011 per cent? surely not 0.100 per cent when it is 100 per cent lethal?

I am not aware of any research that proves mercury compounds are harmless has ever been done even by those that want to show it was right to put it in vaccines.

If thimerosal was at 100 times less we know full well it can still harm people.

A rough estimate puts AD cases with just the amount of mercury found in 4 mercury vaccines.

Now that is worrying when an infant is probably ten times less in weight than a man.

But we can hide behind – we don’t know.

It seems that even when we do know there are plenty to argue – we dont know.

The health of the USA is in a big mess and every addition to the vaccine schedule just makes it WORSE.

As a clue, there is at least one paper published that showed 100 per cent harm (death) using mercury in the form of thimerosal at the level in a vaccine.

The reason mercury rested in vaccines for decades longer is simple and easy to explain.

INCOMPETENCE.

It takes chemists to realise what is a dangerous level of mercury.

The levels have been worked out.

The class in which thimerosal is put was correct – the alkyl group.

Thimerosal in vaccines are still dangerous and have passed the accepted level by 50 fold.

Vaccine makers got it wrong.

Vaccine regulators didn’t know it was there; thimerosal doesn’t seem as bad as putting mercury compound on the bottle.

For the record, thimerosal isn’t mercury anymore than hydrogen is water.

Correct but you get it wrong, mercury compounds are highly toxic and mercury metal is practically inert.

While it was fine to use gallons of mercury while a teacher, it was FORBIDDEN to use ANY mercury compound and alkyl mercury is the most toxic of the three accepted classes until 21st science put thimerosal into its own little class and pretended we have no knowledge of it.

We have the knowledge and its called SIDS.

MURDER INCORPORATED having political exemption from prosecution for more than ONE MILLION MURDERS and RISING.

Thimerosal is not deadly at the levels quoted by the EPA, CDC, FDA et al but at levels way way down.

The only safety factor being that as mentioned it has to reach delicate areas to reap the maximal damage.

The death of Harry Clark in 6 hours after a mercury vaccine shows that there is this capability in 1 child in 2000.

Is this a risk worth taking?

Cancer from a vaccine comes at a time interval many times past any current safety testing regimes.

A person I know died of Non Hodgkins Lymphoma of which nearly half have SV40 identified of which the only source is previous vaccine identified as being contaminated by careful research but put out on the market as vaccines are always safe.

The estimated deaths from just this one mistake will never be known but will amount to hundreds of thousands many of whom grew up healthy with a ticking time bomb inside them.

The Geier team are regularly put down as ignorant and non expert even though they have been working in the field for decades and making many discoveries now accepted by all.

Work by epidemiologists used to refute this sort of careful measurement is rather funny in that often they take old or incomplete data, change the diagnosis, eliminate those that are sensitive, as they may give the impression of harm. This may mean cutting the original sample down to half.

And if all else fails they do get high sums of money from Big Pharma for doing no work. Funny?

I don’t expect to change the false view that vaccines work or cause no adverse effects as the argument is 200 years old but I hope those that support vaccines are well paid by BIG pHARMER or have extremely healthy children.

As said USA has dropped from top place to bottom and now has one child in three neurologically ill and one in two with signs of diabetes. There are of course ten times as many ways that vaccines can cause illness.

But you know this already.

To a simple mind like me – if you get one person crying wolf and ten saying its fine, I still want to know why one bad result is thrown out of the window. for Harry and Sally it meant DEATH.

For others long stretches in prison as INNOCENTS. USA currently has several thousands in prison and all claiming vaccine harm.

No one much is listening to convicted felons.

YET.

While BIG pHARMER calls the same tune and SEEKS and DESTROYS dissenters they will rot in prison as INNOCENT victims while the real villains pick up pay checks as high as TEN MILLION DOLLARS a year to keep MURDER INCORPORATED in business.

It takes about ten years or certainly a lot of careful thought and reading to get up to speed. See for example the list of adverse effects carefully gained and totally ignored.

Thimerosal has many accepted spellings but those here given are often new additions to the language.

One alternative correct spelling is merthiolate and smacks of name changing of Windscale et al for similar reasons.

Those that say thimerosal is not as dangerous as methylmercury are sadly uninformed as it is or was placed in the same group until many in the vaccine industry woke up to the fact that thimerosal had mercury in it with just that hint MER which could be misinterpreted as short for MERDUR if I adopted that lack of rigidity in spelling seen here.

In fact far from being reference levels the accepted level of harm from thimerosal is some hundred times less than that quoted as not be exceeded.

Safety from mercury in vaccines comes simply from the fact that it is mopped up by the first things it encounters so is like playing Russian Roulette except of course the Ruskies got rid of their mercury nearly 50 years ago and in the USA they probably use more of the stuff than ever.

Like many things we are kept in the dark etc.

Yes, vaccines are a confidence trick today.

I had mine years ago but only for the deadly illnesses and not many minor illnesses or endless repeat vaccines. And in the good old days they were safe.

The evidence against vaccines is as long as the history of vaccines but modern research from 1960s has identified dozens of ways that vaccines harm.

Before the mad rush for vaccines, USA ranked first in the Western world for good health and low deaths.

Today it ranks bottom and has more vaccines than any other country.

If you look at the breathing of an infant after a vaccine there are huge increases in difficulty which can in rare circumstances (1 in 2000 or less) cause death.

The case of the death to an infant from whooping cough is expected from the adverse effects of vaccines to the mother.

And for every case that is sad there are a thousand that show harm from vaccines. Eg the death of Taylor Brynn Alexander just 6 days after a series of vaccines. The doctor who administered the vaccine has seen it before and before but cant seem to link the death of an infant 6 days after she gave a vaccine even though it has happened many times to this doctor.

To be fair if she shouted any louder about what she has observed she would be kicked out of the club: Murder Incorporated.

Thanks for the clarification. Agreed regarding testing all family members, though again, with the caveat of which lab is doing the testing. Are they affiliated with anti-vax groups? Do they return elevated levels of mercury in all samples provided to them? In the U.S., there are labs that seem to return elevated mercury results in just about every sample provided them, and which labs are also affiliated with anti-vax groups, making their testing a wee bit suspicious.

If the levels of mercury are high in her son, I really think she should have all her family members tested. One should never assume that one source is the only possible source unless there is good reason to.

For childhood immunisations, the amount is nil. The only vaccine to contain thimerosal is the flu vaccine and there are thimerosal-free flu vaccines available.

Well, I’m not sure what the supply is like in Australia (where it seems Paula S. is from). What you say is true for the U.S., but I’m not entirely familiar with Australia’s vaccine products.

That said, the amount of ethylmercury in vaccines from thimerosal still is likely to be small and is quickly eliminated from the body. Assuming that the testing procedures and materials are accurate (and there is room for doubt, depending on the lab), other, more mundane and ubiquitous sources would be more likely, I think.

Your concern for your son is understandable, and whether to vaccinate or not is, ultimately, your decision (even in the U.S., there are exemptions). Your best course of action is to discuss the issue with your pediatrician.

And why is it that mercury has been showing up in my son’s system.

First off, how was this determined? By whom? Why was the testing done? When was it first done, and how long have followup measurements been taken? Second, what type of mercury compound has “shown up”? There are numerous sources of mercury (air, fish, etc.), including potential problems with the tools used to measure the mercury.

I understand the concerns and fears you have. It is natural. It is also natural to ascribe meaning to an event that is notable, but otherwise unrelated to the condition. Is the regression possibly linked to the vaccine? Yes, but not likely. More probably is that the timing correlated with the natural course of the disorder. But, not knowing the fine details, I can’t say with absolute certainty.

So, I’ll just leave by saying again that you should consult your pediatrician and discuss, as much as possible without getting emotional (though that may be very difficult), what is best for your son, for your family, and for those with whom you come in contact.

so, uh, yeah, I’ll take vaccines over death due to non-herd-immunity any day.

Oh, and Nigel Depledge, did you notice who wrote that article? It is also addressed in the comments (just search for chemical castration).

Yeah, I kinda caught up after having already commented. The authors of the piece seem to be, shall we say, not the most reliable of sources.

BTW: She’s American – you guys want her back? … I’ll make you a deal. You take back Dorey and we’ll take back that moron who runs the creationist museum. Or, we could just sell them both to North Korea.

Deal.

Oh, and Nigel Depledge, did you notice who wrote that article? It is also addressed in the comments (just search for chemical castration).

Apart from that, the article was dead on. The AVN are a scourge on our society. We are working to have them shut down.

Now I find out that Meryl Dorey is an AIDS denier! She really is stupid. BTW: She’s American – you guys want her back? Please say yes. Please take her back – please? I’ll make you a deal. You take back Dorey and we’ll take back that moron who runs the creationist museum. Or, we could just sell them both to North Korea.

JPH (116) said:

@Chris 113:

The Journal’s not brand new, as far as I can tell:

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The Geiers’ article was published in Vol. 91.

But yeah, he looks a little sketchy. Still, it would be interesting to see an expert address his results.

The methods are probably more important than the results, and this has probably already happened. Have you looked?

@Bunny 103:

I’ve yet to see anyone address the article linked in comment #80. Its a peer-reviewed article from 2009 which claims:

“Thimerosal at low nanomolar (nM) concentrations induced significant cellular toxicity in human neuronal and fetal cells. Thimerosal-induced cytoxicity is similar to that observed in AD pathophysiologic studies.”

AD = autistic disorders. I’m not suggesting thimerosal is responsible for, or even a primary contributing factor to the increase in autism over the past 20 years. But that study certainly argues against the idea that its “entirely safe”.

Of course, with only the abstract available without a subscription, we cannot evaluate the quality of that study. However, a couple of factors are notable by their absence: first, the relevance of low-nanomolar concentrations; and second, the effect of thimerosal on whole organism.

So, before you go making any claims about thimerosal I suggest you look up its ADME profile.

But *all* the scientific evidence shows that the world is a much healthier place because of vaccinations. Anti-vaxxers would still have us wrestling with outbreaks of smallpox, and dealing with the deaths of tens of thousands of children each year from entirely preventable diseases, if they had their way.

Perhaps more significantly, antivax propaganda in Nigeria is directly responsible for preventing the worldwide eradication of polio.