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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Mark  Hansen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/02/our-galactic-twin/comment-page-1/#comment-210607</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark  Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 14:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ivan,
What shane said. Also, it&#039;s a bit like the TV; if you don&#039;t like what&#039;s on the channel, you can change the channel or turn it off. I don&#039;t know of anyone having a gun held to their head to visit here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ivan,<br />
What shane said. Also, it&#8217;s a bit like the TV; if you don&#8217;t like what&#8217;s on the channel, you can change the channel or turn it off. I don&#8217;t know of anyone having a gun held to their head to visit here.</p>
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		<title>By: shane</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/02/our-galactic-twin/comment-page-1/#comment-210551</link>
		<dc:creator>shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 02:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ivan
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/15/politics-science-me-and-thee/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ivan<br />
<a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/15/politics-science-me-and-thee/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/15/politics-science-me-and-thee/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ivan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/02/our-galactic-twin/comment-page-1/#comment-210548</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 01:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mark 

im mostly talking about all the antivax and skeptic articles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mark </p>
<p>im mostly talking about all the antivax and skeptic articles.</p>
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		<title>By: toasterhead</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/02/our-galactic-twin/comment-page-1/#comment-210494</link>
		<dc:creator>toasterhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 20:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;33.   Jason Says: 
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:51 pm 

In the end, I take it as a matter of faith. As must you for your view. I cannot provide “concrete irrefutable proof” that God is the creator and architect. But neither can you prove that an infinite being did not create and direct the universe.&lt;/i&gt;
________________

I cannot prove a negative, no.  You are right.  But if there is a creator and architect to the universe, what did he/she create, exactly?  How is he/she directing it, exactly?  

He/she didn&#039;t create stars and planets.  We can see them forming in nebulas in our own galaxy by natural forces, so we can conclude that there is no outside force that forms stars and planets.  He/she didn&#039;t create galaxies, because we can see them in the deep field Hubble images and see them forming naturally due to gravitational and electromagnetic forces.  We can even see the background radiation from before the energy of the universe had settled down into matter, and there are no patterns that indicate the hand of a designer.  

And it becomes even fuzzier if we start thinking about God the director.  The events that happen in the universe around us all seem to happen as predicted due to the forces we can measure.  When stars run out of fuel, they collapse or go nova, depending on their size and composition.  Expansion pulls galaxies away from each other, unless they&#039;re close enough and gravity pulls them toward each other.  On the whole, stuff out there behaves the way it should.  God is either an extremely neurotic micromanager or a very hands-off director.  Sure, there are still plenty of mysteries, but do you really want to plug God into those gaps as a holy placeholder?  

All that&#039;s really left is the constants.  You can believe that God said &quot;Let There Be Light, and Let Its Velocity Be 299,792,458 Meters Per Second In A Vacuum.&quot;  But why?  Is that the optimal speed for light to travel?  Is it the most likely to produce life?  Is it just random, or chosen on a whim?  Is it an experiment - will the next universe have a speed of light of 299,792,459 m/s, and so on?

Ultimately, it&#039;s a philosophical question, and the answer depends on what you want your God to be.  You&#039;re welcome to see him/her as you please.  Personally, I don&#039;t want my God to be a neurotic director or an experimenting cosmologician or that vindictive jerk from the Old Testament.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>33.   Jason Says:<br />
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:51 pm </p>
<p>In the end, I take it as a matter of faith. As must you for your view. I cannot provide “concrete irrefutable proof” that God is the creator and architect. But neither can you prove that an infinite being did not create and direct the universe.</i><br />
________________</p>
<p>I cannot prove a negative, no.  You are right.  But if there is a creator and architect to the universe, what did he/she create, exactly?  How is he/she directing it, exactly?  </p>
<p>He/she didn&#8217;t create stars and planets.  We can see them forming in nebulas in our own galaxy by natural forces, so we can conclude that there is no outside force that forms stars and planets.  He/she didn&#8217;t create galaxies, because we can see them in the deep field Hubble images and see them forming naturally due to gravitational and electromagnetic forces.  We can even see the background radiation from before the energy of the universe had settled down into matter, and there are no patterns that indicate the hand of a designer.  </p>
<p>And it becomes even fuzzier if we start thinking about God the director.  The events that happen in the universe around us all seem to happen as predicted due to the forces we can measure.  When stars run out of fuel, they collapse or go nova, depending on their size and composition.  Expansion pulls galaxies away from each other, unless they&#8217;re close enough and gravity pulls them toward each other.  On the whole, stuff out there behaves the way it should.  God is either an extremely neurotic micromanager or a very hands-off director.  Sure, there are still plenty of mysteries, but do you really want to plug God into those gaps as a holy placeholder?  </p>
<p>All that&#8217;s really left is the constants.  You can believe that God said &#8220;Let There Be Light, and Let Its Velocity Be 299,792,458 Meters Per Second In A Vacuum.&#8221;  But why?  Is that the optimal speed for light to travel?  Is it the most likely to produce life?  Is it just random, or chosen on a whim?  Is it an experiment &#8211; will the next universe have a speed of light of 299,792,459 m/s, and so on?</p>
<p>Ultimately, it&#8217;s a philosophical question, and the answer depends on what you want your God to be.  You&#8217;re welcome to see him/her as you please.  Personally, I don&#8217;t want my God to be a neurotic director or an experimenting cosmologician or that vindictive jerk from the Old Testament.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 19:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course the universe is a dangerous and Deadly place, I never suggested it wasn&#039;t, nor did I suggest the beauty and intricate design was all &quot;rainbows and Unicorns&quot;
In fact I could point out that this only enhances my argument.  Look at all the conditions that must balance just right to make life here not only possible, but enjoyable.
--The counter argument is that life evolved here so naturally we find it the best environment.  If we had evolved on Titan we would say the same thing about it.
In the end, I take it as a matter of faith.  As must you for your view.  I cannot provide &quot;concrete irrefutable proof&quot; that God is the creator and architect.  But neither can you prove that an infinite being did not create and direct the universe.

I do see each discovery, each new thing Humanity learns as expanding our knowledge and Understanding of this wonderous creation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the universe is a dangerous and Deadly place, I never suggested it wasn&#8217;t, nor did I suggest the beauty and intricate design was all &#8220;rainbows and Unicorns&#8221;<br />
In fact I could point out that this only enhances my argument.  Look at all the conditions that must balance just right to make life here not only possible, but enjoyable.<br />
&#8211;The counter argument is that life evolved here so naturally we find it the best environment.  If we had evolved on Titan we would say the same thing about it.<br />
In the end, I take it as a matter of faith.  As must you for your view.  I cannot provide &#8220;concrete irrefutable proof&#8221; that God is the creator and architect.  But neither can you prove that an infinite being did not create and direct the universe.</p>
<p>I do see each discovery, each new thing Humanity learns as expanding our knowledge and Understanding of this wonderous creation.</p>
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		<title>By: toasterhead</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/02/our-galactic-twin/comment-page-1/#comment-210475</link>
		<dc:creator>toasterhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 19:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;31.   TechyDad Says: 
September 3rd, 2009 at 12:52 pm 

But don’t let it fool you into thinking it’s all rainbows and unicorns, because the universe is also a very deadly place also.
&lt;/i&gt;

Pfff don&#039;t even get me started on unicorns.  Vicious little buggers, they are...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>31.   TechyDad Says:<br />
September 3rd, 2009 at 12:52 pm </p>
<p>But don’t let it fool you into thinking it’s all rainbows and unicorns, because the universe is also a very deadly place also.<br />
</i></p>
<p>Pfff don&#8217;t even get me started on unicorns.  Vicious little buggers, they are&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TechyDad</title>
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		<dc:creator>TechyDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@toasterhead,

I&#039;d add that, in much the same way that a gambler might &quot;forget&quot; his fifty losing hands, look at his ten winning hands, and conclude that the night went very well, we &quot;forget&quot; about all the deadly/dangerous aspects of the universe and focus on the &quot;pretty&quot; aspects of it.  So, yes, the universe is a very beautiful place.  But don&#039;t let it fool you into thinking it&#039;s all rainbows and unicorns, because the universe is also a very deadly place also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@toasterhead,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d add that, in much the same way that a gambler might &#8220;forget&#8221; his fifty losing hands, look at his ten winning hands, and conclude that the night went very well, we &#8220;forget&#8221; about all the deadly/dangerous aspects of the universe and focus on the &#8220;pretty&#8221; aspects of it.  So, yes, the universe is a very beautiful place.  But don&#8217;t let it fool you into thinking it&#8217;s all rainbows and unicorns, because the universe is also a very deadly place also.</p>
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