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	<title>Comments on: The Best Place on Earth</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Santoki</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/03/the-best-place-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-211711</link>
		<dc:creator>Santoki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 03:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty funny that the photo in the article shows an overcast, snowy scene.  You can&#039;t even see the sky   D:</description>
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		<title>By: Ridge A: o melhor lugar no mundo para observar o céu &#124; Goitacá</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ridge A: o melhor lugar no mundo para observar o céu &#124; Goitacá</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dica do Bad Astronomy [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Interesting Stuff: Early September 2009 &#171; The Outer Hoard</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/03/the-best-place-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-210880</link>
		<dc:creator>Interesting Stuff: Early September 2009 &#171; The Outer Hoard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 10:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] contains ideal site for astronomical observatory. Phil Plait has link to Google Map [...]</description>
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		<title>By: coolstar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/03/the-best-place-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-210863</link>
		<dc:creator>coolstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 05:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite a bit of astronomy has been going on at the Cordordia site at Dome C for quite a while.
Ask Dr. google or google scholar (or astro-ph) and you can turn up lots of things pretty quickly (including the first published astronomy paper using data from Dome C ).
The site has been &quot;wintered-over&quot; for a few winters now.  The Chinese site at Dome A may turn out to be better, but as someone mentioned, there have been only annual long treks to set up and monitor site-testing equipment there, so far, as it&#039;s even more inaccessible than Dome C.
   Oh, winter temperatures reach around -80 C at Dome C.
   I don&#039;t think anyone has mentioned it, but &quot;picrete&quot; might actually be a very good and economical building material at both sites (you heard it here first, maybe.....).
    For lots of very good science, these sites are almost as good as being in space, but maybe 100x (or more) cheaper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite a bit of astronomy has been going on at the Cordordia site at Dome C for quite a while.<br />
Ask Dr. google or google scholar (or astro-ph) and you can turn up lots of things pretty quickly (including the first published astronomy paper using data from Dome C ).<br />
The site has been &#8220;wintered-over&#8221; for a few winters now.  The Chinese site at Dome A may turn out to be better, but as someone mentioned, there have been only annual long treks to set up and monitor site-testing equipment there, so far, as it&#8217;s even more inaccessible than Dome C.<br />
   Oh, winter temperatures reach around -80 C at Dome C.<br />
   I don&#8217;t think anyone has mentioned it, but &#8220;picrete&#8221; might actually be a very good and economical building material at both sites (you heard it here first, maybe&#8230;..).<br />
    For lots of very good science, these sites are almost as good as being in space, but maybe 100x (or more) cheaper.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/03/the-best-place-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-210724</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 03:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T.E.L. is correct. Antarctica is the driest and, on average, highest continent. Perfect viewing conditions.  It is also windy and bloody cold so wear an extra pair of socks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T.E.L. is correct. Antarctica is the driest and, on average, highest continent. Perfect viewing conditions.  It is also windy and bloody cold so wear an extra pair of socks.</p>
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		<title>By: T.E.L.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/03/the-best-place-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-210637</link>
		<dc:creator>T.E.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 16:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Nettles Said:

&quot; Snow—lots of it.&quot;

Not in the region where this is all proposed. The big selling points include that precipitation and cloud cover are almost non-existent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Nettles Said:</p>
<p>&#8221; Snow—lots of it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not in the region where this is all proposed. The big selling points include that precipitation and cloud cover are almost non-existent.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Nettles</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/03/the-best-place-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-210626</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Nettles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 16:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At 80 deg S, you will have 24 hours of daylight between Oct. 15 and Feb. 24 and bright twilight/dawn for a week or so at each end. No nighttime visual observations, and that&#039;s when all the flights can occur. 

Daylight and nighttime occur Feb. 24 to April 15 (+/- 1 or 2 days) and August 25 to Oct 15, and 24 hours of nighttime from April 15 to August 25. But it&#039;s winter, the staff is stuck (emergency flights only) and not many of them. It&#039;s like frozen-mercury cold. There are mechanical motorized mount issues to deal with. If you have a heated building there are thermal expansion/contraction issues when you open the dome. Snow---lots of it. There are some problems that aren&#039;t worth the money for the solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At 80 deg S, you will have 24 hours of daylight between Oct. 15 and Feb. 24 and bright twilight/dawn for a week or so at each end. No nighttime visual observations, and that&#8217;s when all the flights can occur. </p>
<p>Daylight and nighttime occur Feb. 24 to April 15 (+/- 1 or 2 days) and August 25 to Oct 15, and 24 hours of nighttime from April 15 to August 25. But it&#8217;s winter, the staff is stuck (emergency flights only) and not many of them. It&#8217;s like frozen-mercury cold. There are mechanical motorized mount issues to deal with. If you have a heated building there are thermal expansion/contraction issues when you open the dome. Snow&#8212;lots of it. There are some problems that aren&#8217;t worth the money for the solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/03/the-best-place-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-210619</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t worry about the Thing so much as &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/At_the_Mountains_of_Madness/Chapter_8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Elder Things&lt;/A&gt;.  Or maybe even the Things that the Elder Things feared...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t worry about the Thing so much as <a HREF="http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/At_the_Mountains_of_Madness/Chapter_8" rel="nofollow">Elder Things</a>.  Or maybe even the Things that the Elder Things feared&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Spirula</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/03/the-best-place-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-210601</link>
		<dc:creator>Spirula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 13:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;No dogs make it a thousand miles through the cold! No, you don&#039;t understand! That thing wanted to be US!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No dogs make it a thousand miles through the cold! No, you don&#8217;t understand! That thing wanted to be US!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: JohnW</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/03/the-best-place-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-210588</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 12:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And d) what would this do to the world&#039;s condom supplies-&quot;

Damn, beaten to it by MichaelL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And d) what would this do to the world&#8217;s condom supplies-&#8221;</p>
<p>Damn, beaten to it by MichaelL!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/03/the-best-place-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-210584</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 11:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would not be the first telescope in Antartica, although I am not sure there are any optical ones currently - the existing ones look at radio, millimetre, neutrinos, etc.

Balloon-borne telescopes usually observe wavelenths that don&#039;t pentrate the atmosphere very well - gamma rays, X-rays, infrared, etc.   NASA has a Balloon Program Office - http://sites.wff.nasa.gov/code820/ - which operates on a shoestring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would not be the first telescope in Antartica, although I am not sure there are any optical ones currently &#8211; the existing ones look at radio, millimetre, neutrinos, etc.</p>
<p>Balloon-borne telescopes usually observe wavelenths that don&#8217;t pentrate the atmosphere very well &#8211; gamma rays, X-rays, infrared, etc.   NASA has a Balloon Program Office &#8211; <a href="http://sites.wff.nasa.gov/code820/" rel="nofollow">http://sites.wff.nasa.gov/code820/</a> &#8211; which operates on a shoestring.</p>
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		<title>By: Tortorific</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/03/the-best-place-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-210581</link>
		<dc:creator>Tortorific</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1 B and C, then a reference to classic horror movies I love this blog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1 B and C, then a reference to classic horror movies I love this blog</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Hagerty</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/03/the-best-place-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-210563</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Hagerty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 04:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>21.   Rob Says: &quot;For those that haven’t heard - A remake of John Carpenter’s version is in “the works”.&quot;

So Hollywood&#039;s creativity well has run so dry that they have to start remaking their remakes?  Well, it&#039;s not unprecedented. There are now four versions of &quot;Body Snatchers&quot; out there.

- Jack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>21.   Rob Says: &#8220;For those that haven’t heard &#8211; A remake of John Carpenter’s version is in “the works”.&#8221;</p>
<p>So Hollywood&#8217;s creativity well has run so dry that they have to start remaking their remakes?  Well, it&#8217;s not unprecedented. There are now four versions of &#8220;Body Snatchers&#8221; out there.</p>
<p>- Jack</p>
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		<title>By: Haymaker</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/03/the-best-place-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-210562</link>
		<dc:creator>Haymaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 03:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting!  I&#039;m sure there would be no shortage of people willing to brave the -70c temps... on second thought...

&quot;Childs, we&#039;re going out to give Blair the test. If he tries to make it back here and we&#039;re not with him... burn him.&quot; -  MacReady</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting!  I&#8217;m sure there would be no shortage of people willing to brave the -70c temps&#8230; on second thought&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Childs, we&#8217;re going out to give Blair the test. If he tries to make it back here and we&#8217;re not with him&#8230; burn him.&#8221; &#8211;  MacReady</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/03/the-best-place-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-210561</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 03:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone else ticked off that Google Earth doesn&#039;t have 3D topography of Antarctica?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone else ticked off that Google Earth doesn&#8217;t have 3D topography of Antarctica?</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelL</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/03/the-best-place-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-210553</link>
		<dc:creator>MichaelL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 03:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummmm, Phil, I&#039;ll go... based on this:

http://www.sciencebuzz.org/blog/how-often-do-people-antarctica-have-sex

These people get more action than I have ever had.... sadly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummmm, Phil, I&#8217;ll go&#8230; based on this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciencebuzz.org/blog/how-often-do-people-antarctica-have-sex" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencebuzz.org/blog/how-often-do-people-antarctica-have-sex</a></p>
<p>These people get more action than I have ever had&#8230;. sadly</p>
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		<title>By: Papa Surf</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/03/the-best-place-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-210552</link>
		<dc:creator>Papa Surf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 03:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess for half of the year they&#039;d use it as a solar observatory?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess for half of the year they&#8217;d use it as a solar observatory?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 02:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they&#039;re stockin&#039; flame throwers I&#039;m SO there!!  *looks up changing last name to MacReady*

PS: For those that haven&#039;t heard - A remake of John Carpenter&#039;s version is in &quot;the works&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they&#8217;re stockin&#8217; flame throwers I&#8217;m SO there!!  *looks up changing last name to MacReady*</p>
<p>PS: For those that haven&#8217;t heard &#8211; A remake of John Carpenter&#8217;s version is in &#8220;the works&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: T.E.L.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/03/the-best-place-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-210538</link>
		<dc:creator>T.E.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 00:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As it turns out, there is some experience already with automated telescopes in remote parts of Antarctica. There&#039;s a telescope on the plateau at Dome A (called PLATO) that only needs annual servicing. Data are transacted via Iridium satellites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As it turns out, there is some experience already with automated telescopes in remote parts of Antarctica. There&#8217;s a telescope on the plateau at Dome A (called PLATO) that only needs annual servicing. Data are transacted via Iridium satellites.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 00:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pretty much all of the proposed telescopes you put on dome C, etc, have to be designed to be fully robotic as you&#039;ll only have about 2 weeks each year to have humans on site servicing them.  All of these sites are well away from the established bases, so there will not be anyone wintering over.  Much like the space observatories, if your telescope has a problem that can&#039;t be fixed remotely, you lose the use of the telescope.  Unlike the space observatories, you will have an opportunity to fix it during the next antarctic summer, for a cost far less than launching someone into space (although still expensive compared to fixing your telescope at Kitt Peak).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pretty much all of the proposed telescopes you put on dome C, etc, have to be designed to be fully robotic as you&#8217;ll only have about 2 weeks each year to have humans on site servicing them.  All of these sites are well away from the established bases, so there will not be anyone wintering over.  Much like the space observatories, if your telescope has a problem that can&#8217;t be fixed remotely, you lose the use of the telescope.  Unlike the space observatories, you will have an opportunity to fix it during the next antarctic summer, for a cost far less than launching someone into space (although still expensive compared to fixing your telescope at Kitt Peak).</p>
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		<title>By: shane</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/03/the-best-place-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-210528</link>
		<dc:creator>shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 23:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remote? Meh. Australia, the US and NZ have regular flights to their bases now (in Summer). Then there are the dozens of supply ships. At any one time now there are probably 1000 people living on the continent. I&#039;ve even been there as a tourist. A week spewing my guts up to get there though*. Not to the Peninsula either. All the tourists go there. We went to the bit below Australia - Mawson&#039;s Hut at Commonwealth Bay. We met some of the guys and gals that winter over and they love it. Some had been on multiple tours. From sparkies and chippies to scientists. All sorts of professions and trades. They have the intertoobs too nowadays. I&#039;d do it in a minute.

*Darn Southern Ocean and her big loooong swells. The worst bit is the old hands told me it was the smoothest crossing anyone could remember.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remote? Meh. Australia, the US and NZ have regular flights to their bases now (in Summer). Then there are the dozens of supply ships. At any one time now there are probably 1000 people living on the continent. I&#8217;ve even been there as a tourist. A week spewing my guts up to get there though*. Not to the Peninsula either. All the tourists go there. We went to the bit below Australia &#8211; Mawson&#8217;s Hut at Commonwealth Bay. We met some of the guys and gals that winter over and they love it. Some had been on multiple tours. From sparkies and chippies to scientists. All sorts of professions and trades. They have the intertoobs too nowadays. I&#8217;d do it in a minute.</p>
<p>*Darn Southern Ocean and her big loooong swells. The worst bit is the old hands told me it was the smoothest crossing anyone could remember.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 23:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having done a very limited amount of this kind of thing (polar work), it&#039;s doable but difficult and expensive.  I&#039;m pretty sure you cannot completely automate the installation.

Having astronomers work remotely is great but you need maintenance and support staff on site.  Mechanical systems and everything else have a lot of problems at 40 below (and in Antarctica, even colder).  However the most difficult problem is keeping the on-site staff sane, healthy, happy and productive.

Most remote work sites (Arctic, oil rigs, etc.) deal with the problem by flying the employees in and out on a regular basis.  That implies that civilization is accessible and regular flights are possible.  These are challenging in Antarctica.  Also you need good food, regular contact with the outside world, and a system of keeping people busy.  Finally, you pay a premium wage for their isolation and the risks they run simply by being there.

Now, if you were compare the costs and difficulties of running a lunar observatory to those of one in the Antarctic, that would be interesting.  Very interesting indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having done a very limited amount of this kind of thing (polar work), it&#8217;s doable but difficult and expensive.  I&#8217;m pretty sure you cannot completely automate the installation.</p>
<p>Having astronomers work remotely is great but you need maintenance and support staff on site.  Mechanical systems and everything else have a lot of problems at 40 below (and in Antarctica, even colder).  However the most difficult problem is keeping the on-site staff sane, healthy, happy and productive.</p>
<p>Most remote work sites (Arctic, oil rigs, etc.) deal with the problem by flying the employees in and out on a regular basis.  That implies that civilization is accessible and regular flights are possible.  These are challenging in Antarctica.  Also you need good food, regular contact with the outside world, and a system of keeping people busy.  Finally, you pay a premium wage for their isolation and the risks they run simply by being there.</p>
<p>Now, if you were compare the costs and difficulties of running a lunar observatory to those of one in the Antarctic, that would be interesting.  Very interesting indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Harwood</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/03/the-best-place-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-210517</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Harwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 22:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might be a while before city lights cause significant damage to the seeing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might be a while before city lights cause significant damage to the seeing.</p>
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		<title>By: John Paradox</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Paradox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 22:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE:  Who Goes There AKA &quot;The Thing&quot;.

Having read the original story long before seeing either version, the latter one was the more faithful to the story.
The thing (pun intended, naturally, this is BA&#039;s blog after all) about the first version was having James (Marshal Dillon) Arness as the &#039;carrot creature&#039;, as some called it.

J/P=?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:  Who Goes There AKA &#8220;The Thing&#8221;.</p>
<p>Having read the original story long before seeing either version, the latter one was the more faithful to the story.<br />
The thing (pun intended, naturally, this is BA&#8217;s blog after all) about the first version was having James (Marshal Dillon) Arness as the &#8216;carrot creature&#8217;, as some called it.</p>
<p>J/P=?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Hagerty</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/03/the-best-place-on-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-210513</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Hagerty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 22:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2.   Becca Stareyes Says: &quot;I suppose the communications would be tricky — there aren&#039;t many satellites that fly over 80°S.&quot;

In the 1970&#039;s the Air Force had the same problem in reverse. The communications with the POGO tracking station in Thule Greenland were dismal. It was mostly short wave and microwave relay stations.  Since a Clarke orbit style comm-sat by definition has to be at zero inclination (thus right on the horizon causing all sorts of atmospheric signal distortion), they had to do some out-of-the-box thinking. The project was called &quot;Bent Pipe&quot; and consisted of (at least) two satellites in highly inclined, highly eccentric orbits. 

The inclination was somewhere around 80°, IIRC, and the the eccentricity put the perigee at a normal 100 miles or so, but the apogee at several thousand. The satellites would thus whip around the southern part of the globe very quickly, then lazily spend several hours over the northern hemisphere where they could keep both Thule and Sunnyvale in sight. With two satellites they both spent most of their time over the northern end of the orbit and communications would only be interrupted  for the time it took to slew the antenna between them.

- Jack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2.   Becca Stareyes Says: &#8220;I suppose the communications would be tricky — there aren&#8217;t many satellites that fly over 80°S.&#8221;</p>
<p>In the 1970&#8242;s the Air Force had the same problem in reverse. The communications with the POGO tracking station in Thule Greenland were dismal. It was mostly short wave and microwave relay stations.  Since a Clarke orbit style comm-sat by definition has to be at zero inclination (thus right on the horizon causing all sorts of atmospheric signal distortion), they had to do some out-of-the-box thinking. The project was called &#8220;Bent Pipe&#8221; and consisted of (at least) two satellites in highly inclined, highly eccentric orbits. </p>
<p>The inclination was somewhere around 80°, IIRC, and the the eccentricity put the perigee at a normal 100 miles or so, but the apogee at several thousand. The satellites would thus whip around the southern part of the globe very quickly, then lazily spend several hours over the northern hemisphere where they could keep both Thule and Sunnyvale in sight. With two satellites they both spent most of their time over the northern end of the orbit and communications would only be interrupted  for the time it took to slew the antenna between them.</p>
<p>- Jack</p>
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