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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/08/the-mainstreaming-of-evil/comment-page-8/#comment-219461</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Whatever you want to call them, it’s clear they are so far from the norm of the American people that they can’t even see the horizon from where they are. Simply reading the speech transcript shows that simply and clearly.&quot;

I&#039;m curious. If this is actually true and these people are &quot;far from he norm&quot;... 
Then who elected Bush.... TWICE?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Whatever you want to call them, it’s clear they are so far from the norm of the American people that they can’t even see the horizon from where they are. Simply reading the speech transcript shows that simply and clearly.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious. If this is actually true and these people are &#8220;far from he norm&#8221;&#8230;<br />
Then who elected Bush&#8230;. TWICE?</p>
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		<title>By: mega green tea</title>
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		<dc:creator>mega green tea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;mega green tea...&lt;/strong&gt;

Your topic Reviews of &quot;Reviews of This Book&quot; &quot; Reenigne blog was interesting when I found it on Monday searching for mega green tea...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>mega green tea&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Your topic Reviews of &#8220;Reviews of This Book&#8221; &#8221; Reenigne blog was interesting when I found it on Monday searching for mega green tea&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: desing</title>
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		<dc:creator>desing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buried as inaccurate; Conservatives arent pissed that Obama is speaking to children, theyre pissed that some schools are handing out materials that ask questions like &quot;How did Obama inspire you?&quot; and &quot;What can you do to help the President?&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buried as inaccurate; Conservatives arent pissed that Obama is speaking to children, theyre pissed that some schools are handing out materials that ask questions like &quot;How did Obama inspire you?&quot; and &quot;What can you do to help the President?&quot;.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Holmes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Holmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 07:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rational inquiry anyone?
http://www.examiner.com/x-18425-LA-County-Nonpartisan-Examiner~y2009m9d10-Who-are-911-Truthers-What-is-the-911-Truth-Movement

or:
http://www.ae911truth.org

Anyone not being hypocritical out there?  Is there anybody out there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rational inquiry anyone?<br />
<a href="http://www.examiner.com/x-18425-LA-County-Nonpartisan-Examiner~y2009m9d10-Who-are-911-Truthers-What-is-the-911-Truth-Movement" rel="nofollow">http://www.examiner.com/x-18425-LA-County-Nonpartisan-Examiner~y2009m9d10-Who-are-911-Truthers-What-is-the-911-Truth-Movement</a></p>
<p>or:<br />
<a href="http://www.ae911truth.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.ae911truth.org</a></p>
<p>Anyone not being hypocritical out there?  Is there anybody out there?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul A'Barge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/08/the-mainstreaming-of-evil/comment-page-8/#comment-213338</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul A'Barge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a &quot;hypocrisy gene&quot;?

Who knew.

How odd that  everyone for whom it is dominant is a Democrat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a &#8220;hypocrisy gene&#8221;?</p>
<p>Who knew.</p>
<p>How odd that  everyone for whom it is dominant is a Democrat.</p>
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		<title>By: John Doe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/08/the-mainstreaming-of-evil/comment-page-8/#comment-213274</link>
		<dc:creator>John Doe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Selfish gene &gt; Following one&#039;s own interest
Hypocrisy &gt; Claiming to be follow other people&#039;s interest

A &#039;moral crime&#039; has been committed, let&#039;s follow the &#039;money&#039;, aka the interest.

1) More traffic on Discover &gt; Money
2) Political activism &gt; Money
3) More funds for science &gt; Money

All comes down to the paycheck. Your interest is simple, encourage people to spend money to support you and your family - selfish gene = survival instinct -, pretending to have the public&#039;s best interest in mind.

Please, cut off the crap and go back to your telescope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Selfish gene > Following one&#8217;s own interest<br />
Hypocrisy > Claiming to be follow other people&#8217;s interest</p>
<p>A &#8216;moral crime&#8217; has been committed, let&#8217;s follow the &#8216;money&#8217;, aka the interest.</p>
<p>1) More traffic on Discover > Money<br />
2) Political activism > Money<br />
3) More funds for science > Money</p>
<p>All comes down to the paycheck. Your interest is simple, encourage people to spend money to support you and your family &#8211; selfish gene = survival instinct -, pretending to have the public&#8217;s best interest in mind.</p>
<p>Please, cut off the crap and go back to your telescope.</p>
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		<title>By: John Doe</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Doe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So some parents in some remote part of the US didn&#039;t want their kids to listen to the President&#039;s speech. BIG DEAL, do you know how unpopular the President&#039;s administration is these days? Geithner, Summers, Bernanke? Do these names ring a bell? More names, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, AIG?

Ok...

Dear author, your commentary is soooooo biased, and distant from scientific neutrality. It&#039;s filled with emotions, it sounds like the radical leftist answer to the radical traditionalist.

Don&#039;t talk about &quot;logic&quot; or &quot;ignorance&quot;, please, these words in political debates are very much like using the old fashioned &quot;Nazi&quot;, &quot;racist&quot;, you&#039;ve lost the debate already (if there was any, in the first place, what a pseudo scandal).

I have no idea who you are, and I can tell you one thing. There must be a reason for you to be writing on some gossip magazine like Discover, instead of advancing research in science.

Talk about &quot;propagandist&quot;, you can&#039;t be serious!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So some parents in some remote part of the US didn&#8217;t want their kids to listen to the President&#8217;s speech. BIG DEAL, do you know how unpopular the President&#8217;s administration is these days? Geithner, Summers, Bernanke? Do these names ring a bell? More names, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, AIG?</p>
<p>Ok&#8230;</p>
<p>Dear author, your commentary is soooooo biased, and distant from scientific neutrality. It&#8217;s filled with emotions, it sounds like the radical leftist answer to the radical traditionalist.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t talk about &#8220;logic&#8221; or &#8220;ignorance&#8221;, please, these words in political debates are very much like using the old fashioned &#8220;Nazi&#8221;, &#8220;racist&#8221;, you&#8217;ve lost the debate already (if there was any, in the first place, what a pseudo scandal).</p>
<p>I have no idea who you are, and I can tell you one thing. There must be a reason for you to be writing on some gossip magazine like Discover, instead of advancing research in science.</p>
<p>Talk about &#8220;propagandist&#8221;, you can&#8217;t be serious!</p>
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		<title>By: John_in_Oz</title>
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		<dc:creator>John_in_Oz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I can tell, the difference between America&#039;s left and America&#039;s right is in which eminent English thinker they choose to be ignorant of, misrepresent, and oppose with nonsense arguments.
The American left is as willfully ignorant and dishonest about the insights of Adam Smith as the American Right is about Charles Darwin.
And both sides prefer to rationalise their stances rather than rationally discuss issues, and attack straw-men caricatures of their opponents&#039; positions.
It&#039;s a shame I can&#039;t comment on the particular issue you raise in &#039;the mainstreaming of crazy&#039;, as you didn&#039;t link to any instance of it, and not living in your country, I haven&#039;t seen it. I did read a particular assertion about &#039;what Obama was going to say (that got changed)&#039;, and I rebuked that particular person for gullibility and factlessness. But I can&#039;t comment on it&#039;s mainstreaming because I haven&#039;t seen it and you provided no evidence for it.
Of course Google is my friend, and I did find some humour sites, but I&#039;m sure that&#039;s not what you meant by &#039;mainstreaming&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I can tell, the difference between America&#8217;s left and America&#8217;s right is in which eminent English thinker they choose to be ignorant of, misrepresent, and oppose with nonsense arguments.<br />
The American left is as willfully ignorant and dishonest about the insights of Adam Smith as the American Right is about Charles Darwin.<br />
And both sides prefer to rationalise their stances rather than rationally discuss issues, and attack straw-men caricatures of their opponents&#8217; positions.<br />
It&#8217;s a shame I can&#8217;t comment on the particular issue you raise in &#8216;the mainstreaming of crazy&#8217;, as you didn&#8217;t link to any instance of it, and not living in your country, I haven&#8217;t seen it. I did read a particular assertion about &#8216;what Obama was going to say (that got changed)&#8217;, and I rebuked that particular person for gullibility and factlessness. But I can&#8217;t comment on it&#8217;s mainstreaming because I haven&#8217;t seen it and you provided no evidence for it.<br />
Of course Google is my friend, and I did find some humour sites, but I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s not what you meant by &#8216;mainstreaming&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: The 14 characteristics of Fascism - SLUniverse Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>The 14 characteristics of Fascism - SLUniverse Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - has no validity. I could launch into diatribe, but Phil Plait did a far better job than I can in &quot;The Mainstreaming of Crazy&quot;: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8211; has no validity. I could launch into diatribe, but Phil Plait did a far better job than I can in &quot;The Mainstreaming of Crazy&quot;: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/08/the-mainstreaming-of-evil/comment-page-8/#comment-212514</link>
		<dc:creator>Natalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another interpretation of the above picture could be, &quot;Be quiet. I will only listen to American citizens who agree with me - the rest of you don&#039;t have a valid opinion.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another interpretation of the above picture could be, &#8220;Be quiet. I will only listen to American citizens who agree with me &#8211; the rest of you don&#8217;t have a valid opinion.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: AJsDaddie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/08/the-mainstreaming-of-evil/comment-page-8/#comment-212250</link>
		<dc:creator>AJsDaddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to provide a little counterpoint.  Let me just pick one reaction:

&quot;Ignorance. Paranoia. Bias. Manipulation. I suspect there is racism mixed in that’s disguised as patriotism. For those reasons they complained about Obama’s motivational speech to the youth of America. It’s sad and disappointing to see such a response when the intention and message of his talk was clearly positive. This country needs a shot in the arm of common sense and reason.&quot;

When I first found out about this speech, I was concerned at the fact that this President was planning to speak to my child without me present.  It&#039;s got nothing to do with race, and I find that tired old canard to be a waste of time.  I was concerned because -- get ready for it! -- I don&#039;t TRUST our President.

See, here&#039;s the thing.  If my child wants to watch a TV program, I will vet it first.  But I will be extra diligent with shows from the Cartoon Network because they have proven to me to occasionally be a bit over the line.  That is, I can&#039;t trust them to be things I want my child to be exposed to.

That being said, there are shows on Cartoon Network that I don&#039;t mind my son seeing.  Heck, my wife happens to love Secret Saturdays, so go figure :).

You might say I&#039;m a whacko for not trusting the President, but too many actions the man has taken, from his bizarre appointments to his foreign statements that seem to be apologizing for America to his inarguable bent for BIG, BIGGER, BIGGEST Government, make me question his motives and his philosophy, and so without seeing the text of the speech (and after seeing some things in the suggested curriculum that I thought were questionable), I was not comfortable with having this person talk to my child.  That&#039;s my prerogative whether he&#039;s the President of the United States or the principle at my school.

That being said, once the text of the speech was available I was entirely mollified, and I think it was one of the more positive messages to come out of the White House this term.

So, in my opinion labeling me a racist because I was worried before the speech is just as ignorant as blathering on about a &quot;socialist conspiracy&quot; after reading the text.

Just my half a nickel, rounded down</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to provide a little counterpoint.  Let me just pick one reaction:</p>
<p>&#8220;Ignorance. Paranoia. Bias. Manipulation. I suspect there is racism mixed in that’s disguised as patriotism. For those reasons they complained about Obama’s motivational speech to the youth of America. It’s sad and disappointing to see such a response when the intention and message of his talk was clearly positive. This country needs a shot in the arm of common sense and reason.&#8221;</p>
<p>When I first found out about this speech, I was concerned at the fact that this President was planning to speak to my child without me present.  It&#8217;s got nothing to do with race, and I find that tired old canard to be a waste of time.  I was concerned because &#8212; get ready for it! &#8212; I don&#8217;t TRUST our President.</p>
<p>See, here&#8217;s the thing.  If my child wants to watch a TV program, I will vet it first.  But I will be extra diligent with shows from the Cartoon Network because they have proven to me to occasionally be a bit over the line.  That is, I can&#8217;t trust them to be things I want my child to be exposed to.</p>
<p>That being said, there are shows on Cartoon Network that I don&#8217;t mind my son seeing.  Heck, my wife happens to love Secret Saturdays, so go figure <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>You might say I&#8217;m a whacko for not trusting the President, but too many actions the man has taken, from his bizarre appointments to his foreign statements that seem to be apologizing for America to his inarguable bent for BIG, BIGGER, BIGGEST Government, make me question his motives and his philosophy, and so without seeing the text of the speech (and after seeing some things in the suggested curriculum that I thought were questionable), I was not comfortable with having this person talk to my child.  That&#8217;s my prerogative whether he&#8217;s the President of the United States or the principle at my school.</p>
<p>That being said, once the text of the speech was available I was entirely mollified, and I think it was one of the more positive messages to come out of the White House this term.</p>
<p>So, in my opinion labeling me a racist because I was worried before the speech is just as ignorant as blathering on about a &#8220;socialist conspiracy&#8221; after reading the text.</p>
<p>Just my half a nickel, rounded down</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Kuzniar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Kuzniar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: the lunatic fringe -- all I have is this:

When people say foolish things, they need to be told they are being foolish. They will disreagrd you and continue with what they were saying -- but at least the truth is where it needs to be. 

Thanks, Phil, for putting the truth where it needs to be..!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: the lunatic fringe &#8212; all I have is this:</p>
<p>When people say foolish things, they need to be told they are being foolish. They will disreagrd you and continue with what they were saying &#8212; but at least the truth is where it needs to be. </p>
<p>Thanks, Phil, for putting the truth where it needs to be..!</p>
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		<title>By: Marge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder why you point to Fox News when they are the only network to bring up the corruption of ACORN and the wasting our tax dollars on that corrupt organization.  Because the media is in the tank for Obama and any organization or person affiliated with Obama gets a pass. (Like ACORN) Only Fox News has reported it. The others are silent. My cousins live in Baltimore and avoid registering to vote with ACORN. You know why, if you REGISTER REPUBLICAN they throw away the application. It never gets to the register&#039;s office.  If you register DEMOCRAT it gets there.

Could you please show us the link of evidence you have on this lunatic fringe, a subset that you describe.  I&#039;m waiting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder why you point to Fox News when they are the only network to bring up the corruption of ACORN and the wasting our tax dollars on that corrupt organization.  Because the media is in the tank for Obama and any organization or person affiliated with Obama gets a pass. (Like ACORN) Only Fox News has reported it. The others are silent. My cousins live in Baltimore and avoid registering to vote with ACORN. You know why, if you REGISTER REPUBLICAN they throw away the application. It never gets to the register&#8217;s office.  If you register DEMOCRAT it gets there.</p>
<p>Could you please show us the link of evidence you have on this lunatic fringe, a subset that you describe.  I&#8217;m waiting.</p>
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		<title>By: Of Presidential Speeches, Kooks, and Opinions (Updated) &#171; The Clever Badger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Of Presidential Speeches, Kooks, and Opinions (Updated) &#171; The Clever Badger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the best commentary I&#8217;ve seen on this comes from Phil Plait at Bad Astronomy: If I sound angry, then, yeah, I am. I’m tired of ignorance held up as inspiration, where vicious [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the best commentary I&#8217;ve seen on this comes from Phil Plait at Bad Astronomy: If I sound angry, then, yeah, I am. I’m tired of ignorance held up as inspiration, where vicious [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Cahalan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Cahalan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ran out of gas at comment #272.

@ Conservative

&gt; Wow. So anyone who disagrees with the President’s positions
&gt; is an ignorant, racist Nazi?

Nowhere in Phil&#039;s post does he include the words &quot;conservative&quot; or &quot;Republican&quot;.  Nowhere does he say anything about &quot;everyone who disagrees with the speech&quot; or &quot;everyone who disagrees with the President&quot;.  He uses a specific term, lunatic fringe, to talk about &quot;a group of folks&quot;.

He describes the lunatic fringe specifically as, &quot;these are the ones saying the speech is indoctrinating children into accepting his socialist health care plan that will mutilate puppies and convert our elderly into Soylent Green.&quot;

Phil&#039;s obviously a Leftie, of course.  But he&#039;s *clearly* not attacking &quot;everyone who is right of center&quot; here, he&#039;s attacking people who lack critical thinking skills.  Yes, he&#039;s choosing to frame the conversation by talking specifically about people who lack critical thinking skills who happen to oppose the Democratic President... but let&#039;s be clear.  

People who lack critical thinking skills cannot be properly called conservative *or* liberal... because they don&#039;t understand either political philosophy.  They may self-identify with either group, of course.  They may rant and rave about people who self-identify with the opposing group.  But they have no political position themselves, because they don&#039;t understand why it is that they believe what they believe.

They&#039;re whackaloons or nutbars or whatever term you choose to apply to them.

Phil has, in fact, challenged &quot;leftie&quot; lunatic fringe people on the blog, in many cases.  A high percentage of the antivax crowd are affluent liberals, Phil heaps scorn on them just as much he&#039;s heaping scorn on the lunatic fringe in this post.

This isn&#039;t about Conservatives all being crazy.  It&#039;s about crazy people getting air time.</description>
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<p>@ Conservative</p>
<p>> Wow. So anyone who disagrees with the President’s positions<br />
> is an ignorant, racist Nazi?</p>
<p>Nowhere in Phil&#8217;s post does he include the words &#8220;conservative&#8221; or &#8220;Republican&#8221;.  Nowhere does he say anything about &#8220;everyone who disagrees with the speech&#8221; or &#8220;everyone who disagrees with the President&#8221;.  He uses a specific term, lunatic fringe, to talk about &#8220;a group of folks&#8221;.</p>
<p>He describes the lunatic fringe specifically as, &#8220;these are the ones saying the speech is indoctrinating children into accepting his socialist health care plan that will mutilate puppies and convert our elderly into Soylent Green.&#8221;</p>
<p>Phil&#8217;s obviously a Leftie, of course.  But he&#8217;s *clearly* not attacking &#8220;everyone who is right of center&#8221; here, he&#8217;s attacking people who lack critical thinking skills.  Yes, he&#8217;s choosing to frame the conversation by talking specifically about people who lack critical thinking skills who happen to oppose the Democratic President&#8230; but let&#8217;s be clear.  </p>
<p>People who lack critical thinking skills cannot be properly called conservative *or* liberal&#8230; because they don&#8217;t understand either political philosophy.  They may self-identify with either group, of course.  They may rant and rave about people who self-identify with the opposing group.  But they have no political position themselves, because they don&#8217;t understand why it is that they believe what they believe.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re whackaloons or nutbars or whatever term you choose to apply to them.</p>
<p>Phil has, in fact, challenged &#8220;leftie&#8221; lunatic fringe people on the blog, in many cases.  A high percentage of the antivax crowd are affluent liberals, Phil heaps scorn on them just as much he&#8217;s heaping scorn on the lunatic fringe in this post.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t about Conservatives all being crazy.  It&#8217;s about crazy people getting air time.</p>
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		<title>By: alfaniner</title>
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		<dc:creator>alfaniner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One good thing about having a foolish first comment.  At least it can be guaranteed that everyone will read it.</description>
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		<title>By: RationalZen</title>
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		<dc:creator>RationalZen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jason (83)

You said, &quot;Granted, I’m reading the transcript, which may differ from the actual speech, but what is actually said is that children are unlikely to find runaway, easy success in these careers.&quot;

That was exactly my point, his words were chosen poorly.  He could have said, music or professional athletes, but he said rapping and basketball.  He didn&#039;t say country music and bull riding, punk rock and skateboarding, or mariachi and soccer, he (or his speech writer) chose those deliberately for the transcript.

The point of his message was not lost on me, I just was noting the words were chosen poorly for an address that was meant to be pointed at all children.</description>
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<p>You said, &#8220;Granted, I’m reading the transcript, which may differ from the actual speech, but what is actually said is that children are unlikely to find runaway, easy success in these careers.&#8221;</p>
<p>That was exactly my point, his words were chosen poorly.  He could have said, music or professional athletes, but he said rapping and basketball.  He didn&#8217;t say country music and bull riding, punk rock and skateboarding, or mariachi and soccer, he (or his speech writer) chose those deliberately for the transcript.</p>
<p>The point of his message was not lost on me, I just was noting the words were chosen poorly for an address that was meant to be pointed at all children.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@The Chemist - Of course he can say what he wants (though Discover may have something to say about that, assuming they&#039;re paying the freight).  But for those of us that are just looking for the science, without the rants (from either Phil or the commenters who look so much like the people they imagine are on the other side), there are better places to keep current on astronomy.  Though I am appreciative of Phil for leading me to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@The Chemist &#8211; Of course he can say what he wants (though Discover may have something to say about that, assuming they&#8217;re paying the freight).  But for those of us that are just looking for the science, without the rants (from either Phil or the commenters who look so much like the people they imagine are on the other side), there are better places to keep current on astronomy.  Though I am appreciative of Phil for leading me to them.</p>
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		<title>By: HidariMak</title>
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		<dc:creator>HidariMak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that Fox News is one of the most biased and least accurate of the major US cable news networks, with CNN being overall amongst the most reliable, and MSNBC somewhere in between.  And last I heard, Fox News was the most popular of the US cable news networks, with CNN considerably down the list, and MSNBC somewhere in between.

My entire career life has been spent dealing with the general public, which is a large part of the reason why I&#039;ve come to believe that an alarmingly large number of the general public are idiots.  And the TV ratings too often seems to back that up.  So correcting idiocy will likely be as challenging as it is important to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that Fox News is one of the most biased and least accurate of the major US cable news networks, with CNN being overall amongst the most reliable, and MSNBC somewhere in between.  And last I heard, Fox News was the most popular of the US cable news networks, with CNN considerably down the list, and MSNBC somewhere in between.</p>
<p>My entire career life has been spent dealing with the general public, which is a large part of the reason why I&#8217;ve come to believe that an alarmingly large number of the general public are idiots.  And the TV ratings too often seems to back that up.  So correcting idiocy will likely be as challenging as it is important to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>QD, Belize is the other* place you can swim with whale sharks. Another reason to go.
Your welcome.

*Ningaloo Reef, Western Australia - Awesome experience. Second only to swimming with Humpbacks in Tonga.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QD, Belize is the other* place you can swim with whale sharks. Another reason to go.<br />
Your welcome.</p>
<p>*Ningaloo Reef, Western Australia &#8211; Awesome experience. Second only to swimming with Humpbacks in Tonga.</p>
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		<title>By: shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m amused. Been watching this all day. It is remarkable the number of people who condescend to accept that the &quot;final&quot; speech was &quot;okay&quot; but....

I believe the first draft of the Gettysburg Address had some Marxist rhetoric in it (he borrowed heavily from the Communist Manifesto) but thankfully the speech as delivered is the version we remember. :roll:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m amused. Been watching this all day. It is remarkable the number of people who condescend to accept that the &#8220;final&#8221; speech was &#8220;okay&#8221; but&#8230;.</p>
<p>I believe the first draft of the Gettysburg Address had some Marxist rhetoric in it (he borrowed heavily from the Communist Manifesto) but thankfully the speech as delivered is the version we remember. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Roger
Read of this...
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/15/politics-science-me-and-thee/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Roger<br />
Read of this&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/15/politics-science-me-and-thee/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/15/politics-science-me-and-thee/</a></p>
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		<title>By: fred edison</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred edison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ignorance. Paranoia.  Bias. Manipulation.  I suspect there is racism mixed in that&#039;s disguised as patriotism.  For those reasons they complained about Obama&#039;s motivational speech to the youth of America.  It&#039;s sad and disappointing to see such a response when the intention and message of his talk was clearly positive.   This country needs a shot in the arm of common sense and reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ignorance. Paranoia.  Bias. Manipulation.  I suspect there is racism mixed in that&#8217;s disguised as patriotism.  For those reasons they complained about Obama&#8217;s motivational speech to the youth of America.  It&#8217;s sad and disappointing to see such a response when the intention and message of his talk was clearly positive.   This country needs a shot in the arm of common sense and reason.</p>
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		<title>By: ScottB</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScottB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 07:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Quiet Desperation #244

Nice to leap to an unsubstantiated conclusion, but amazingly enough I am neither European or from Europe.  But I can see why you&#039;d think that after all because everyone knows leftists only live in Europe....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Quiet Desperation #244</p>
<p>Nice to leap to an unsubstantiated conclusion, but amazingly enough I am neither European or from Europe.  But I can see why you&#8217;d think that after all because everyone knows leftists only live in Europe&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: greg9001</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg9001</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 07:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Phil

Are you playing the psychic game that you are trying to de funk?

Did it ever accrue to you that he change his speech because of what these people were saying?

hide sight is awsome! Isn&#039;t it ?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Phil</p>
<p>Are you playing the psychic game that you are trying to de funk?</p>
<p>Did it ever accrue to you that he change his speech because of what these people were saying?</p>
<p>hide sight is awsome! Isn&#8217;t it ?</p>
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