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	<title>Comments on: A fresh breath of Saturn</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: richard</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/25/a-fresh-breath-of-saturn/comment-page-1/#comment-216521</link>
		<dc:creator>richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have two questions that probably someone here can answer.

1)  Given that the rings are so thin in height, is there really a visible line of shadow on Saturn when the rings are 90 degress to the incoming sunlight?  I always see a shadow line in pictures, and I am wondering if that is because the pictures are not at the exact moment of 90 degreeness (or some word like that).

2) The shadow of Enceladus appears a little stretched in the picture above.  Is that most likely because it is to the front left and almost tangent to the cloud surface of Saturn?

Thanks for any answers.   :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have two questions that probably someone here can answer.</p>
<p>1)  Given that the rings are so thin in height, is there really a visible line of shadow on Saturn when the rings are 90 degress to the incoming sunlight?  I always see a shadow line in pictures, and I am wondering if that is because the pictures are not at the exact moment of 90 degreeness (or some word like that).</p>
<p>2) The shadow of Enceladus appears a little stretched in the picture above.  Is that most likely because it is to the front left and almost tangent to the cloud surface of Saturn?</p>
<p>Thanks for any answers.   <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: bouch</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/25/a-fresh-breath-of-saturn/comment-page-1/#comment-216299</link>
		<dc:creator>bouch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like the effect of the rings darkening as they get &quot;closer&quot;, to the point that the look darker in front Saturn than they do behind it.  Stunning...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like the effect of the rings darkening as they get &#8220;closer&#8221;, to the point that the look darker in front Saturn than they do behind it.  Stunning&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: eigenvector</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/25/a-fresh-breath-of-saturn/comment-page-1/#comment-216218</link>
		<dc:creator>eigenvector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction: the shadow is of Enceladus, diameter 504 km.  The question is still the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction: the shadow is of Enceladus, diameter 504 km.  The question is still the same.</p>
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		<title>By: eigenvector</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/25/a-fresh-breath-of-saturn/comment-page-1/#comment-216112</link>
		<dc:creator>eigenvector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 17:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curiously, the shadow of the rings is tangent to the shadow of Mimas.  In comparison the shadow of Mimas seems to be 3 (?) times as wide as the thickness of the ring shadow, but the rings are a few tens of meters thick and Mimas’ diameter is slightly less than 400 km., a ten to the fourth power ratio, not 3x.  So what gives?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curiously, the shadow of the rings is tangent to the shadow of Mimas.  In comparison the shadow of Mimas seems to be 3 (?) times as wide as the thickness of the ring shadow, but the rings are a few tens of meters thick and Mimas’ diameter is slightly less than 400 km., a ten to the fourth power ratio, not 3x.  So what gives?</p>
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		<title>By: COTLC: Carl Sagan Sings Beautifully; the Forevertron Machines of Baraboo, Wisconsin and Bill Maher&#8217;s Endorsement of Quackery, Woo and Pseudoscience &#124; ICED BORSCHT</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/25/a-fresh-breath-of-saturn/comment-page-1/#comment-216045</link>
		<dc:creator>COTLC: Carl Sagan Sings Beautifully; the Forevertron Machines of Baraboo, Wisconsin and Bill Maher&#8217;s Endorsement of Quackery, Woo and Pseudoscience &#124; ICED BORSCHT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 03:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Phil Plait points us in the direction of a stunning photo of Saturn&#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Equinoccio en Saturno &#171; [Px]</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/25/a-fresh-breath-of-saturn/comment-page-1/#comment-216037</link>
		<dc:creator>Equinoccio en Saturno &#171; [Px]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 02:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Torbjörn Larsson, OM</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/25/a-fresh-breath-of-saturn/comment-page-1/#comment-216024</link>
		<dc:creator>Torbjörn Larsson, OM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 22:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, I don&#039;t find that saturnine at all.

OOooomm...

[No, I don&#039;t meditate. Waste of time, research says 15 min sleep and dream activation will give the same effect &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; rest the body &lt;i&gt;and &lt;/i&gt; increase lifetime. Without the woo doo. Win-win-major-win-and-win.

But I don&#039;t think Phil would appreciate if my reaction was: 

ZZzzzzz...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, I don&#8217;t find that saturnine at all.</p>
<p>OOooomm&#8230;</p>
<p>[No, I don't meditate. Waste of time, research says 15 min sleep and dream activation will give the same effect <i>and</i> rest the body <i>and </i> increase lifetime. Without the woo doo. Win-win-major-win-and-win.</p>
<p>But I don't think Phil would appreciate if my reaction was: </p>
<p>ZZzzzzz...]</p>
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		<title>By: Crudely Wrott</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/25/a-fresh-breath-of-saturn/comment-page-1/#comment-216017</link>
		<dc:creator>Crudely Wrott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 21:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>. . . aaannd exhale slowly . . . wwhhooooooooo . . .

Oh yes. That&#039;s better. It&#039;s hard to beat the feeling of one&#039;s frontal lobes coming back on line.

Thanks, Phil!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>. . . aaannd exhale slowly . . . wwhhooooooooo . . .</p>
<p>Oh yes. That&#8217;s better. It&#8217;s hard to beat the feeling of one&#8217;s frontal lobes coming back on line.</p>
<p>Thanks, Phil!</p>
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		<title>By: Floyd</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/25/a-fresh-breath-of-saturn/comment-page-1/#comment-215997</link>
		<dc:creator>Floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#3: Bart Sibrel&#039;s crackpot theory can be refuted by bouncing a laser beam off any of the retroreflectors left at the moon landing sites and detecting the reflected light, of course. But most of your readers know that...

Incidentally, Neil Armstrong, who is from Wapakoneta Ohio, got his engineering degree at Purdue University in Indiana, and was awarded an honorary doctorate by Purdue a few months after returning from the Moon. I was a Purdue undergrad in those days, saw the first landing on the Moon on TV, and later attended Neil&#039;s award ceremony at Purdue. I hope to see a return of astronauts to the Moon again (and with luck, Mars) during my lifetime.

About the retroreflectors and what scientists are doing with them now:
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/21jul_llr.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#3: Bart Sibrel&#8217;s crackpot theory can be refuted by bouncing a laser beam off any of the retroreflectors left at the moon landing sites and detecting the reflected light, of course. But most of your readers know that&#8230;</p>
<p>Incidentally, Neil Armstrong, who is from Wapakoneta Ohio, got his engineering degree at Purdue University in Indiana, and was awarded an honorary doctorate by Purdue a few months after returning from the Moon. I was a Purdue undergrad in those days, saw the first landing on the Moon on TV, and later attended Neil&#8217;s award ceremony at Purdue. I hope to see a return of astronauts to the Moon again (and with luck, Mars) during my lifetime.</p>
<p>About the retroreflectors and what scientists are doing with them now:<br />
<a href="http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/21jul_llr.htm" rel="nofollow">http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/21jul_llr.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Melusine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/25/a-fresh-breath-of-saturn/comment-page-1/#comment-215985</link>
		<dc:creator>Melusine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cassini, the poet of the skies, just keeps delivering. If anyone wants to talk about spirituality in the sense that Carl Sagan did, this would be it. The hard work and dedication that creates these magnificent images reminds me of the good aspects of humanity and that we really &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; a small dot in the universe; we seek to know and this is our reward. And yes, Saturn is real...so very real. 

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cassini, the poet of the skies, just keeps delivering. If anyone wants to talk about spirituality in the sense that Carl Sagan did, this would be it. The hard work and dedication that creates these magnificent images reminds me of the good aspects of humanity and that we really <i>are</i> a small dot in the universe; we seek to know and this is our reward. And yes, Saturn is real&#8230;so very real. </p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Glover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Glover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 11:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought this was supposed to be an Astronomy blog! (ducks, runs away....)
Seriously - beautiful. We are so lucky to have such a planet to view in our night sky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought this was supposed to be an Astronomy blog! (ducks, runs away&#8230;.)<br />
Seriously &#8211; beautiful. We are so lucky to have such a planet to view in our night sky.</p>
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		<title>By: Polyamide Chemicals</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/25/a-fresh-breath-of-saturn/comment-page-1/#comment-215942</link>
		<dc:creator>Polyamide Chemicals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 07:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting! I enjoyed your post.</description>
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		<title>By: Spectroscope</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/25/a-fresh-breath-of-saturn/comment-page-1/#comment-215940</link>
		<dc:creator>Spectroscope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 06:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Magnificent! :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Magnificent! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ace</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/25/a-fresh-breath-of-saturn/comment-page-1/#comment-215920</link>
		<dc:creator>Ace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 03:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#10 John- I&#039;m not so sure it is books on the history of Texas that Tom is referring to, but rather books of History in Texas.

Or maybe you&#039;ve realized that and the sarcasm has breezed right over my head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#10 John- I&#8217;m not so sure it is books on the history of Texas that Tom is referring to, but rather books of History in Texas.</p>
<p>Or maybe you&#8217;ve realized that and the sarcasm has breezed right over my head.</p>
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		<title>By: John M</title>
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		<dc:creator>John M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 01:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Tom above - perhaps Armstrong isn&#039;t in the list of Texas scientists because he&#039;s from OHIO?  And he also got out of Texas when he left NASA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Tom above &#8211; perhaps Armstrong isn&#8217;t in the list of Texas scientists because he&#8217;s from OHIO?  And he also got out of Texas when he left NASA.</p>
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		<title>By: TwittLink - Your headlines on Twitter</title>
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		<dc:creator>TwittLink - Your headlines on Twitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A fresh breath of Saturn &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Doug Reardon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/25/a-fresh-breath-of-saturn/comment-page-1/#comment-215895</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Reardon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seeing Saturn through the eyepiece of a telescope is always a wonderful sight too!</description>
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		<title>By: Richard Drumm The Astronomy Bum</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/25/a-fresh-breath-of-saturn/comment-page-1/#comment-215893</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Drumm The Astronomy Bum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a news story on TV a couple years ago that mentioned Enceladus&#039; geysers and my wife &amp; daughters were watching. I got to say to Victoria (my version of T.L.A.) &quot;That&#039;s Enceladus! We&#039;ve seen that!&quot; It&#039;s kinda comforting to be that familiar with our universe. All you BAblogees should take the time to look at Saturn, Jupiter and the other planets and get acquainted with their moons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a news story on TV a couple years ago that mentioned Enceladus&#8217; geysers and my wife &#038; daughters were watching. I got to say to Victoria (my version of T.L.A.) &#8220;That&#8217;s Enceladus! We&#8217;ve seen that!&#8221; It&#8217;s kinda comforting to be that familiar with our universe. All you BAblogees should take the time to look at Saturn, Jupiter and the other planets and get acquainted with their moons.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Smith</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/25/a-fresh-breath-of-saturn/comment-page-1/#comment-215882</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh.. I could stare at Saturn or Jupiter all night.</description>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/25/a-fresh-breath-of-saturn/comment-page-1/#comment-215833</link>
		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So when are we next going to send a spacecraft to visit Uranus or Neptune? 22nd century? 23rd?</description>
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		<title>By: XMark</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/25/a-fresh-breath-of-saturn/comment-page-1/#comment-215822</link>
		<dc:creator>XMark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa... Saturn is always just so dang purdy.</description>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/25/a-fresh-breath-of-saturn/comment-page-1/#comment-215819</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what&#039;s also calming?  Seeing Buzz Aldrin punch Bart Sibrel in the face.  I know it&#039;s old news, but it&#039;s really a satisfying sight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what&#8217;s also calming?  Seeing Buzz Aldrin punch Bart Sibrel in the face.  I know it&#8217;s old news, but it&#8217;s really a satisfying sight.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The magnificent!  It soothes&quot;  (Need a graphic here.)</description>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Phil!
That does calm me down after finding that Neil Armstrong isn&#039;t enough of a scientist to be mentioned in Texas history books.

Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Phil!<br />
That does calm me down after finding that Neil Armstrong isn&#8217;t enough of a scientist to be mentioned in Texas history books.</p>
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