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		<title>By: Just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 17.   Blizno
I must object to your objection. Yes, science reporters could describe scientific events with dry, cold, rational language. But the thing is, we humans are warm-blooded, emotional creatures, and we react to events emotionally. We&#039;re moved by rainbows; we see pictures in clouds; we&#039;re struck speechless by breathtaking photos beamed in from Saturn. So, I think it&#039;s appropriate to allow for some poetic license in describing the incredible, amazing things that go on in the universe. So there&#039;s really nothing wrong with talking about black holes devouring surrounding gas, or binary stars dancing around each other. Using emotional or even anthropomorphic language helps us, as emotional creatures, better relate to and connect with such abstract concepts as black holes and quasars and such. Otherwise we don&#039;t really have a frame of reference, and this is doubly true for laypersons or armchair scientists such as myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 17.   Blizno<br />
I must object to your objection. Yes, science reporters could describe scientific events with dry, cold, rational language. But the thing is, we humans are warm-blooded, emotional creatures, and we react to events emotionally. We&#8217;re moved by rainbows; we see pictures in clouds; we&#8217;re struck speechless by breathtaking photos beamed in from Saturn. So, I think it&#8217;s appropriate to allow for some poetic license in describing the incredible, amazing things that go on in the universe. So there&#8217;s really nothing wrong with talking about black holes devouring surrounding gas, or binary stars dancing around each other. Using emotional or even anthropomorphic language helps us, as emotional creatures, better relate to and connect with such abstract concepts as black holes and quasars and such. Otherwise we don&#8217;t really have a frame of reference, and this is doubly true for laypersons or armchair scientists such as myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW. Is hardly an adequate response. But it will have to do for now. The visuals were incredibly beautiful, and narration was interesting and engaging.

I&#039;d be interested in seeing a similar video presentation on the life cycle of stars, particularly about fusion reactions and the &quot;evolution&quot; of elements through fusion. Also, why does fusion stop at iron? I&#039;ve never really understood that.

I have a question that&#039;s not really related, but is something I&#039;ve wondered for a long time. Maybe somebody here can answer this, or at least point me in the right direction: It&#039;s now fairly commonly accepted that the universe is about 13.7 billion years old (give or take). Are there theories out there addressing the question of what stage of development the universe is at? If we use the analogy of human development, is the universe an infant, toddler, adolescent, adult, middle-age, senior...?

@ 51. Elkin
I read from Lee Smolin&#039;s book, &quot;Life of the Cosmos&quot;, that the distribution of stars in a galaxy are actually fairly uniform. The spiral arms we see have more to do with the age or brightness stars in those regions. The arms are populated by hotter, brighter, younger stars, and the &quot;gaps&quot; are populated by older, dimmer stars and the interstellar medium: gas and dust left over from the explosive death of old stars. The &quot;movement&quot; of the spiral arms don&#039;t correlate directly with the movement of the stars within the arms. Instead, the movement of the spiral arms shows the moving trend of the life and death of the regional stellar community. Young, hot stars are born our of the interstellar medium and over time, burn themselves out or blow themselves up, leaving behind gas and dust, and the cycle repeats itself. Think of &quot;the wave&quot; in a stadium. The wave moves, but the people making the wave don&#039;t move with the wave. Amazing how galaxies work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW. Is hardly an adequate response. But it will have to do for now. The visuals were incredibly beautiful, and narration was interesting and engaging.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be interested in seeing a similar video presentation on the life cycle of stars, particularly about fusion reactions and the &#8220;evolution&#8221; of elements through fusion. Also, why does fusion stop at iron? I&#8217;ve never really understood that.</p>
<p>I have a question that&#8217;s not really related, but is something I&#8217;ve wondered for a long time. Maybe somebody here can answer this, or at least point me in the right direction: It&#8217;s now fairly commonly accepted that the universe is about 13.7 billion years old (give or take). Are there theories out there addressing the question of what stage of development the universe is at? If we use the analogy of human development, is the universe an infant, toddler, adolescent, adult, middle-age, senior&#8230;?</p>
<p>@ 51. Elkin<br />
I read from Lee Smolin&#8217;s book, &#8220;Life of the Cosmos&#8221;, that the distribution of stars in a galaxy are actually fairly uniform. The spiral arms we see have more to do with the age or brightness stars in those regions. The arms are populated by hotter, brighter, younger stars, and the &#8220;gaps&#8221; are populated by older, dimmer stars and the interstellar medium: gas and dust left over from the explosive death of old stars. The &#8220;movement&#8221; of the spiral arms don&#8217;t correlate directly with the movement of the stars within the arms. Instead, the movement of the spiral arms shows the moving trend of the life and death of the regional stellar community. Young, hot stars are born our of the interstellar medium and over time, burn themselves out or blow themselves up, leaving behind gas and dust, and the cycle repeats itself. Think of &#8220;the wave&#8221; in a stadium. The wave moves, but the people making the wave don&#8217;t move with the wave. Amazing how galaxies work!</p>
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		<title>By: Elkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>at 2:16, the gallaxy is spinning... but the correct way? seems counter intuitive the way its shown there.  Can anyone who knows about these things comment on it? Thanks.</description>
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		<title>By: DrFlimmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrFlimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ amphiox

Sorry, but AFAIK there is no definite answer yet on why and especially how those monsters grow and become as massive as they are. In fact, this is a current topic of research.
Although the video seems to claim otherwise, it is almost unknown how SMBHs have grown so fast. They accumulated masses of billions of suns in less than a billion years. This is incredibely fast.
Last year I heard a talk about a numerical simulation with self-gravitating accretion disk. The pre-fix is important, because it indicates that the disk is massive enough to be an important part of the gravitational potential, which is negelegted normally. This means that the potential is not influenced by the black hole alone. The simulation gave interesting results: According to them it was possible to give rise to such massive monsters in such a short period of time.

(P.S.: Isn&#039;t it a wonderful thing when physicist talk about scales, espacially time? Ask a partical physicist and he will tell you that 10^-16 seconds are incredibely long - and an astrophysicist will tell you that a few million years are rather short! I love physics! :) )</description>
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<p>Sorry, but AFAIK there is no definite answer yet on why and especially how those monsters grow and become as massive as they are. In fact, this is a current topic of research.<br />
Although the video seems to claim otherwise, it is almost unknown how SMBHs have grown so fast. They accumulated masses of billions of suns in less than a billion years. This is incredibely fast.<br />
Last year I heard a talk about a numerical simulation with self-gravitating accretion disk. The pre-fix is important, because it indicates that the disk is massive enough to be an important part of the gravitational potential, which is negelegted normally. This means that the potential is not influenced by the black hole alone. The simulation gave interesting results: According to them it was possible to give rise to such massive monsters in such a short period of time.</p>
<p>(P.S.: Isn&#8217;t it a wonderful thing when physicist talk about scales, espacially time? Ask a partical physicist and he will tell you that 10^-16 seconds are incredibely long &#8211; and an astrophysicist will tell you that a few million years are rather short! I love physics! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
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		<title>By: Black Holes Are Awesome &#171; Venture Free</title>
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		<dc:creator>Black Holes Are Awesome &#171; Venture Free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by venturefree on October 3, 2009  Thanks to Phil Plait over at Bad Astronomy for bringing this video to my [...]</description>
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		<title>By: amphiox</title>
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		<dc:creator>amphiox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wondering if anyone knows, but are there any theories/speculations out there as to why some supermassive BHs are so much bigger than others? Like why the one in Andromeda is many orders of magnitude heavier than the one in the Milky Way, even though both galaxies are roughly the same size?

Would the &quot;wimpiness&quot; of the Milky Way&#039;s BH be a indication of a relatively smaller amount of material falling into it in the past, and could that be an indication that our galaxy would have had either a comparatively shorter, or significantly less spectacular, period in its past as a quasar or other type of active galaxy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wondering if anyone knows, but are there any theories/speculations out there as to why some supermassive BHs are so much bigger than others? Like why the one in Andromeda is many orders of magnitude heavier than the one in the Milky Way, even though both galaxies are roughly the same size?</p>
<p>Would the &#8220;wimpiness&#8221; of the Milky Way&#8217;s BH be a indication of a relatively smaller amount of material falling into it in the past, and could that be an indication that our galaxy would have had either a comparatively shorter, or significantly less spectacular, period in its past as a quasar or other type of active galaxy?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the graphics, like the one describing the black hole OJ 27, would make awesome crop circles.

Great stuff, as always. Thanks, BA!</description>
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<p>Great stuff, as always. Thanks, BA!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 08:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yus,  sounded a bit like Shatner. ;)

Verah nice though!</description>
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<p>Verah nice though!</p>
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		<title>By: North of 49</title>
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		<dc:creator>North of 49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 06:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey! I&#039;m a layperson and I watched the whole way through -- enthralled,  I might add. The visuals alone would rivet the attention of any but the most insensitive, never mind the narration.

As to that, it was the sound quality of the voice-over that was off, not the narrator&#039;s voice. The rest of the mix was fine, but the voice-over was fuzzy and a bit thin. Maybe some electrical interference in the mike or the recording equipment that couldn&#039;t be fully fixed in post-production? Or just a cheap mike, or a bad cable, any one of a number of things. Not the narrator&#039;s fault, though.

After the first few sentences I didn&#039;t find it at all distracting. Don&#039;t fret too much about it; this video really grabs the eyeballs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey! I&#8217;m a layperson and I watched the whole way through &#8212; enthralled,  I might add. The visuals alone would rivet the attention of any but the most insensitive, never mind the narration.</p>
<p>As to that, it was the sound quality of the voice-over that was off, not the narrator&#8217;s voice. The rest of the mix was fine, but the voice-over was fuzzy and a bit thin. Maybe some electrical interference in the mike or the recording equipment that couldn&#8217;t be fully fixed in post-production? Or just a cheap mike, or a bad cable, any one of a number of things. Not the narrator&#8217;s fault, though.</p>
<p>After the first few sentences I didn&#8217;t find it at all distracting. Don&#8217;t fret too much about it; this video really grabs the eyeballs.</p>
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		<title>By: Muzz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 05:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Torbjörn Larsson:  Well I am most concerned with the demolition of the &quot;space as we know it&quot; that has me in it, naturally ;)  Thank you for the further info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Torbjörn Larsson:  Well I am most concerned with the demolition of the &#8220;space as we know it&#8221; that has me in it, naturally <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   Thank you for the further info.</p>
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		<title>By: Sitnalta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sitnalta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting subject matter... but the narrator completely destroys the flow of the video. Making it not very engaging and probably only hard-core astronomy buffs will watch the whole thing. I had to struggle to stay focused on it and resist the overwhelming urge to navigate away.

I would say that not only is a new narrator recommended, but absolutely necessary to make the video watchable to lay people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting subject matter&#8230; but the narrator completely destroys the flow of the video. Making it not very engaging and probably only hard-core astronomy buffs will watch the whole thing. I had to struggle to stay focused on it and resist the overwhelming urge to navigate away.</p>
<p>I would say that not only is a new narrator recommended, but absolutely necessary to make the video watchable to lay people.</p>
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		<title>By: DreamDevil</title>
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		<dc:creator>DreamDevil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#37
Severance: Blade of Darkness (one of my favorite games of all time) has tons of music/sounds that are public domain or licensed samples.</description>
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Severance: Blade of Darkness (one of my favorite games of all time) has tons of music/sounds that are public domain or licensed samples.</p>
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		<title>By: Torbjörn Larsson, OM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Torbjörn Larsson, OM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
How big can they theoretically get before they theoretically explode or demolish space as we know it or something?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ha, you made a funny. The main character of black holes is that they demolish space as we know it by way of their singularity. 

One answer is that they can grow indefinitely as long as you can feed them mass. Which isn&#039;t easy seeing that you need to transport the mass to the BH. Light speed limits tend to screw things up.

Another is that they, or rather similar objects that would emerge if somehow the universe would be collapsing instead of expanding and thus circumventing the LS limits, AFAIU some cosmologists (IIRC, Aguirre?) can&#039;t encompass a universe wholesale. But such results are arguable.

[Anyway, since the universe isn&#039;t going to collapse by way of standard cosmology, the exact process is moot. Then BHs aren&#039;t the end of the universe, but the universe is the end of BHs by way of evaporation.]</description>
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How big can they theoretically get before they theoretically explode or demolish space as we know it or something?
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<p>Ha, you made a funny. The main character of black holes is that they demolish space as we know it by way of their singularity. </p>
<p>One answer is that they can grow indefinitely as long as you can feed them mass. Which isn&#8217;t easy seeing that you need to transport the mass to the BH. Light speed limits tend to screw things up.</p>
<p>Another is that they, or rather similar objects that would emerge if somehow the universe would be collapsing instead of expanding and thus circumventing the LS limits, AFAIU some cosmologists (IIRC, Aguirre?) can&#8217;t encompass a universe wholesale. But such results are arguable.</p>
<p>[Anyway, since the universe isn't going to collapse by way of standard cosmology, the exact process is moot. Then BHs aren't the end of the universe, but the universe is the end of BHs by way of evaporation.]</p>
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		<title>By: Torbjörn Larsson, OM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Torbjörn Larsson, OM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That video, flawed as it was in parts, wasn&#039;t entirely a black hole with respect to my time. Thanks for the tip!</description>
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		<title>By: Muzz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ #32 arensb:
Some grabs in there have also shown up in Severance: Blade of Darkness and other places I can&#039;t quite place.  No doubt all are sourced from licensed sample collections that are fairly popular.  The same thing happens with sound effects.

Great video anyway.  I too would have liked to have seen more about the quasars, since they were built up as being terrifyingly huge and ancient.  How big can they theoretically get before they theoretically explode or demolish space as we know it or something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ #32 arensb:<br />
Some grabs in there have also shown up in Severance: Blade of Darkness and other places I can&#8217;t quite place.  No doubt all are sourced from licensed sample collections that are fairly popular.  The same thing happens with sound effects.</p>
<p>Great video anyway.  I too would have liked to have seen more about the quasars, since they were built up as being terrifyingly huge and ancient.  How big can they theoretically get before they theoretically explode or demolish space as we know it or something?</p>
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		<title>By: Avoiding Feast And Famine Periods In Your Health And Beauty Business &#124; Business Beauty Wisdom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avoiding Feast And Famine Periods In Your Health And Beauty Business &#124; Business Beauty Wisdom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 11:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Huge black holes video &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine [...]</description>
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		<title>By: PsyberDave</title>
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		<dc:creator>PsyberDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 03:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love it.

More!</description>
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		<title>By: DreamDevil</title>
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		<dc:creator>DreamDevil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 03:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Omfsm that was AWESOME!!! Thanks for the link, Phil!


Black holes always scare me a little... something about the monolithic size and threat... and they are unstoppable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Omfsm that was AWESOME!!! Thanks for the link, Phil!</p>
<p>Black holes always scare me a little&#8230; something about the monolithic size and threat&#8230; and they are unstoppable.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Flower</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Flower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 01:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are at least 2 scientifically grossly incorrect visualisations, I noticed - ignoring those that relate more to artistic licence...&lt;br&gt;
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A planet consumed by a black hole will not simply flow along a radius, but end up spiralling in - as far as I know, all known black holes rotate, and so does the inflowing material.&lt;br&gt;
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Another is the jet from thousands of millions of years ago, the jet would most likely be wider than our Solar system when it hits us, yet it is depicted as a narrow beam much less than the diameter of the Earth, this is very misleading.  Note that a laser beam fired from the Earth to the moon spreads to a diameter of several kilometres before it hits the moon surface.&lt;br&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are at least 2 scientifically grossly incorrect visualisations, I noticed &#8211; ignoring those that relate more to artistic licence&#8230;</p>
<p>A planet consumed by a black hole will not simply flow along a radius, but end up spiralling in &#8211; as far as I know, all known black holes rotate, and so does the inflowing material.</p>
<p>Another is the jet from thousands of millions of years ago, the jet would most likely be wider than our Solar system when it hits us, yet it is depicted as a narrow beam much less than the diameter of the Earth, this is very misleading.  Note that a laser beam fired from the Earth to the moon spreads to a diameter of several kilometres before it hits the moon surface.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark T.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/02/huge-black-holes-video/comment-page-1/#comment-217619</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 23:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some (most?) of the comments at Youtube are a riot. Those folks should spend a little time reading this site!</description>
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		<title>By: arensb</title>
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		<dc:creator>arensb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 22:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were a couple of bits from the music that sounded like the soundtrack to the game Half Life. Or maybe Half Life&#039;s composer stole from whoever this was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were a couple of bits from the music that sounded like the soundtrack to the game Half Life. Or maybe Half Life&#8217;s composer stole from whoever this was.</p>
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		<title>By: Chip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 20:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil - was that documentary you worked on with Tom Lucas &quot;years ago&quot; -  &quot;Mysteries of Deep Space&quot;? That was a two-part series shown over PBS and it was terrific. It was a cut above a lot of the science shows we occasionally see today on the  Discovery and History channels.  

This clip on black holes is on the same high level with insightful narration, great graphics and visual effects and, as with the &quot;Mysteries of Deep Space&quot; series - really high quality, imaginative symphonic music by Richard Fiocca.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil &#8211; was that documentary you worked on with Tom Lucas &#8220;years ago&#8221; &#8211;  &#8220;Mysteries of Deep Space&#8221;? That was a two-part series shown over PBS and it was terrific. It was a cut above a lot of the science shows we occasionally see today on the  Discovery and History channels.  </p>
<p>This clip on black holes is on the same high level with insightful narration, great graphics and visual effects and, as with the &#8220;Mysteries of Deep Space&#8221; series &#8211; really high quality, imaginative symphonic music by Richard Fiocca.</p>
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		<title>By: Supernovae in NGC 253 laten hun sporen na &#124; Astroblogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Supernovae in NGC 253 laten hun sporen na &#124; Astroblogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 19:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bron: Voor NGC 253 is dat Eurekalert en voor die video Bad Astronomy. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Bron: Voor NGC 253 is dat Eurekalert en voor die video Bad Astronomy. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tacitus</title>
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		<dc:creator>tacitus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent video, but I have to say that the narration was very distracting.  There was nothing wrong with the script, but Brody&#039;s inflections and speech pattern was very distracting.  Pauses occur in some very odd places and emphases occur at the wrong moments in sentences.  Someone else noticed he sounds a bit like William Shatner---that&#039;s true, and that&#039;s not a good thing when you&#039;re a narrator.

I hope they will work on that (or find a better narrator) next time around.</description>
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<p>I hope they will work on that (or find a better narrator) next time around.</p>
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		<title>By: llewelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>llewelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fluffy, October 2nd, 2009 at 4:22 pm:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Great video, although I wish they didn’t find it necessary to ascribe volition to black holes. It’s not like they’re ferocious hunters that make a conscious decision to eat matter.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh yeah? How much money is NASA paying YOU to help hide the TRUTH about super-intelligent MAN-EATING black holes??&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ADMIT THE TRUTH!! The GOVERNMENT is putting HAPPY JUICE in our WATER so that we&#039;ll NEVER KNOW NASA sold OUR ENTIRE PLANET (children, whales, polar bears, and everything else) to a super-intelligent MAN-EATING black hole!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fluffy, October 2nd, 2009 at 4:22 pm:</p>
<blockquote><p>Great video, although I wish they didn’t find it necessary to ascribe volition to black holes. It’s not like they’re ferocious hunters that make a conscious decision to eat matter.
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<p>Oh yeah? How much money is NASA paying YOU to help hide the TRUTH about super-intelligent MAN-EATING black holes??</p>
<p>ADMIT THE TRUTH!! The GOVERNMENT is putting HAPPY JUICE in our WATER so that we&#8217;ll NEVER KNOW NASA sold OUR ENTIRE PLANET (children, whales, polar bears, and everything else) to a super-intelligent MAN-EATING black hole!!</p>
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