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		<title>By: Just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 17.   Blizno
I must object to your objection. Yes, science reporters could describe scientific events with dry, cold, rational language. But the thing is, we humans are warm-blooded, emotional creatures, and we react to events emotionally. We&#039;re moved by rainbows; we see pictures in clouds; we&#039;re struck speechless by breathtaking photos beamed in from Saturn. So, I think it&#039;s appropriate to allow for some poetic license in describing the incredible, amazing things that go on in the universe. So there&#039;s really nothing wrong with talking about black holes devouring surrounding gas, or binary stars dancing around each other. Using emotional or even anthropomorphic language helps us, as emotional creatures, better relate to and connect with such abstract concepts as black holes and quasars and such. Otherwise we don&#039;t really have a frame of reference, and this is doubly true for laypersons or armchair scientists such as myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 17.   Blizno<br />
I must object to your objection. Yes, science reporters could describe scientific events with dry, cold, rational language. But the thing is, we humans are warm-blooded, emotional creatures, and we react to events emotionally. We&#8217;re moved by rainbows; we see pictures in clouds; we&#8217;re struck speechless by breathtaking photos beamed in from Saturn. So, I think it&#8217;s appropriate to allow for some poetic license in describing the incredible, amazing things that go on in the universe. So there&#8217;s really nothing wrong with talking about black holes devouring surrounding gas, or binary stars dancing around each other. Using emotional or even anthropomorphic language helps us, as emotional creatures, better relate to and connect with such abstract concepts as black holes and quasars and such. Otherwise we don&#8217;t really have a frame of reference, and this is doubly true for laypersons or armchair scientists such as myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW. Is hardly an adequate response. But it will have to do for now. The visuals were incredibly beautiful, and narration was interesting and engaging.

I&#039;d be interested in seeing a similar video presentation on the life cycle of stars, particularly about fusion reactions and the &quot;evolution&quot; of elements through fusion. Also, why does fusion stop at iron? I&#039;ve never really understood that.

I have a question that&#039;s not really related, but is something I&#039;ve wondered for a long time. Maybe somebody here can answer this, or at least point me in the right direction: It&#039;s now fairly commonly accepted that the universe is about 13.7 billion years old (give or take). Are there theories out there addressing the question of what stage of development the universe is at? If we use the analogy of human development, is the universe an infant, toddler, adolescent, adult, middle-age, senior...?

@ 51. Elkin
I read from Lee Smolin&#039;s book, &quot;Life of the Cosmos&quot;, that the distribution of stars in a galaxy are actually fairly uniform. The spiral arms we see have more to do with the age or brightness stars in those regions. The arms are populated by hotter, brighter, younger stars, and the &quot;gaps&quot; are populated by older, dimmer stars and the interstellar medium: gas and dust left over from the explosive death of old stars. The &quot;movement&quot; of the spiral arms don&#039;t correlate directly with the movement of the stars within the arms. Instead, the movement of the spiral arms shows the moving trend of the life and death of the regional stellar community. Young, hot stars are born our of the interstellar medium and over time, burn themselves out or blow themselves up, leaving behind gas and dust, and the cycle repeats itself. Think of &quot;the wave&quot; in a stadium. The wave moves, but the people making the wave don&#039;t move with the wave. Amazing how galaxies work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW. Is hardly an adequate response. But it will have to do for now. The visuals were incredibly beautiful, and narration was interesting and engaging.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be interested in seeing a similar video presentation on the life cycle of stars, particularly about fusion reactions and the &#8220;evolution&#8221; of elements through fusion. Also, why does fusion stop at iron? I&#8217;ve never really understood that.</p>
<p>I have a question that&#8217;s not really related, but is something I&#8217;ve wondered for a long time. Maybe somebody here can answer this, or at least point me in the right direction: It&#8217;s now fairly commonly accepted that the universe is about 13.7 billion years old (give or take). Are there theories out there addressing the question of what stage of development the universe is at? If we use the analogy of human development, is the universe an infant, toddler, adolescent, adult, middle-age, senior&#8230;?</p>
<p>@ 51. Elkin<br />
I read from Lee Smolin&#8217;s book, &#8220;Life of the Cosmos&#8221;, that the distribution of stars in a galaxy are actually fairly uniform. The spiral arms we see have more to do with the age or brightness stars in those regions. The arms are populated by hotter, brighter, younger stars, and the &#8220;gaps&#8221; are populated by older, dimmer stars and the interstellar medium: gas and dust left over from the explosive death of old stars. The &#8220;movement&#8221; of the spiral arms don&#8217;t correlate directly with the movement of the stars within the arms. Instead, the movement of the spiral arms shows the moving trend of the life and death of the regional stellar community. Young, hot stars are born our of the interstellar medium and over time, burn themselves out or blow themselves up, leaving behind gas and dust, and the cycle repeats itself. Think of &#8220;the wave&#8221; in a stadium. The wave moves, but the people making the wave don&#8217;t move with the wave. Amazing how galaxies work!</p>
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		<title>By: Elkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>at 2:16, the gallaxy is spinning... but the correct way? seems counter intuitive the way its shown there.  Can anyone who knows about these things comment on it? Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at 2:16, the gallaxy is spinning&#8230; but the correct way? seems counter intuitive the way its shown there.  Can anyone who knows about these things comment on it? Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: DrFlimmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrFlimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ amphiox

Sorry, but AFAIK there is no definite answer yet on why and especially how those monsters grow and become as massive as they are. In fact, this is a current topic of research.
Although the video seems to claim otherwise, it is almost unknown how SMBHs have grown so fast. They accumulated masses of billions of suns in less than a billion years. This is incredibely fast.
Last year I heard a talk about a numerical simulation with self-gravitating accretion disk. The pre-fix is important, because it indicates that the disk is massive enough to be an important part of the gravitational potential, which is negelegted normally. This means that the potential is not influenced by the black hole alone. The simulation gave interesting results: According to them it was possible to give rise to such massive monsters in such a short period of time.

(P.S.: Isn&#039;t it a wonderful thing when physicist talk about scales, espacially time? Ask a partical physicist and he will tell you that 10^-16 seconds are incredibely long - and an astrophysicist will tell you that a few million years are rather short! I love physics! :) )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ amphiox</p>
<p>Sorry, but AFAIK there is no definite answer yet on why and especially how those monsters grow and become as massive as they are. In fact, this is a current topic of research.<br />
Although the video seems to claim otherwise, it is almost unknown how SMBHs have grown so fast. They accumulated masses of billions of suns in less than a billion years. This is incredibely fast.<br />
Last year I heard a talk about a numerical simulation with self-gravitating accretion disk. The pre-fix is important, because it indicates that the disk is massive enough to be an important part of the gravitational potential, which is negelegted normally. This means that the potential is not influenced by the black hole alone. The simulation gave interesting results: According to them it was possible to give rise to such massive monsters in such a short period of time.</p>
<p>(P.S.: Isn&#8217;t it a wonderful thing when physicist talk about scales, espacially time? Ask a partical physicist and he will tell you that 10^-16 seconds are incredibely long &#8211; and an astrophysicist will tell you that a few million years are rather short! I love physics! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
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		<title>By: Black Holes Are Awesome &#171; Venture Free</title>
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		<dc:creator>Black Holes Are Awesome &#171; Venture Free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by venturefree on October 3, 2009  Thanks to Phil Plait over at Bad Astronomy for bringing this video to my [...]</description>
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		<title>By: amphiox</title>
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		<dc:creator>amphiox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wondering if anyone knows, but are there any theories/speculations out there as to why some supermassive BHs are so much bigger than others? Like why the one in Andromeda is many orders of magnitude heavier than the one in the Milky Way, even though both galaxies are roughly the same size?

Would the &quot;wimpiness&quot; of the Milky Way&#039;s BH be a indication of a relatively smaller amount of material falling into it in the past, and could that be an indication that our galaxy would have had either a comparatively shorter, or significantly less spectacular, period in its past as a quasar or other type of active galaxy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wondering if anyone knows, but are there any theories/speculations out there as to why some supermassive BHs are so much bigger than others? Like why the one in Andromeda is many orders of magnitude heavier than the one in the Milky Way, even though both galaxies are roughly the same size?</p>
<p>Would the &#8220;wimpiness&#8221; of the Milky Way&#8217;s BH be a indication of a relatively smaller amount of material falling into it in the past, and could that be an indication that our galaxy would have had either a comparatively shorter, or significantly less spectacular, period in its past as a quasar or other type of active galaxy?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the graphics, like the one describing the black hole OJ 27, would make awesome crop circles.

Great stuff, as always. Thanks, BA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the graphics, like the one describing the black hole OJ 27, would make awesome crop circles.</p>
<p>Great stuff, as always. Thanks, BA!</p>
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