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	<title>Comments on: Wales: Brief Photoblog 2</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Derek Potter</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/08/wales-brief-photoblog-2/comment-page-2/#comment-226438</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>43.   Phil Plait asked &quot; Why would “Caerdydd” be anglicized as “Cardiff”, for example?

I have wondered the same thing but apparently it wasn&#039;t. &quot;Cardiff&quot; is nearer the original Welsh - &quot;caer taff&quot; - the fort on the Taff - but it has been re-welshified for polital reasons to the ridiculous Caer-deethe which means nothing whatsoever.

For those who don&#039;t know - Welsh is being forcibly revived after almost dying out in most of Wales! And cardiff, although the capital of Wales, is virtually Welsh-free except on road signs and government documents where it served to double the amount of paper used :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>43.   Phil Plait asked &#8221; Why would “Caerdydd” be anglicized as “Cardiff”, for example?</p>
<p>I have wondered the same thing but apparently it wasn&#8217;t. &#8220;Cardiff&#8221; is nearer the original Welsh &#8211; &#8220;caer taff&#8221; &#8211; the fort on the Taff &#8211; but it has been re-welshified for polital reasons to the ridiculous Caer-deethe which means nothing whatsoever.</p>
<p>For those who don&#8217;t know &#8211; Welsh is being forcibly revived after almost dying out in most of Wales! And cardiff, although the capital of Wales, is virtually Welsh-free except on road signs and government documents where it served to double the amount of paper used <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Passerby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Passerby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@72

And whats so unusual about transliteration? Most languages that adopt foriegn words for everyday things do this to some extent. Its arguably necessary as the Welsh vowel &#039;w&#039; better represents the appropiate sound, and, as already pointed out here, Welsh is highly phonetic (unlike English). Incidently, its Ambiwlans.
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<p>And whats so unusual about transliteration? Most languages that adopt foriegn words for everyday things do this to some extent. Its arguably necessary as the Welsh vowel &#8216;w&#8217; better represents the appropiate sound, and, as already pointed out here, Welsh is highly phonetic (unlike English). Incidently, its Ambiwlans.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/08/wales-brief-photoblog-2/comment-page-2/#comment-219347</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ing(55) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;@54, Welsh [&#039;ll&#039;] is not aspirated, it is a lateral alveolar fricative. Also, you meant velar stop, not glottal.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

OK, I stand corrected on the linguistic terminology.

But &quot;ll&quot; really isn&#039;t pronounced &quot;cl&quot;.</description>
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<blockquote><p>@54, Welsh ['ll'] is not aspirated, it is a lateral alveolar fricative. Also, you meant velar stop, not glottal.</p></blockquote>
<p>OK, I stand corrected on the linguistic terminology.</p>
<p>But &#8220;ll&#8221; really isn&#8217;t pronounced &#8220;cl&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Edmund Schluessel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/08/wales-brief-photoblog-2/comment-page-2/#comment-219216</link>
		<dc:creator>Edmund Schluessel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wales has a different legal status within the UK than Scotland does; Scotland has far more sovereignty whereas for centuries Wales didn&#039;t legally exist, it was just &quot;west Britain&quot;. It&#039;s only in response to an emerging Welsh nationalist movement in the 20th century that there&#039;s been any kind of devolution.

@cory: And from the perspective of the Romans who came up with our alphabet, both English and Welsh are awkwardly squeezed into Latin pronunciation. There&#039;s no logical reason that &quot;th&quot; should represent the þ sound any more than &quot;dd&quot; should. It really comes down to which set of monks you got -- if I recall correctly, the monks who transcribed Welsh were from Ireland whereas the monks who transcribed Anglo-Saxon were from Germany. You might as well accuse the supremely elegant orthography of Finnish of being irrational because y takes a sound more like English &quot;u&quot;.

On the topic of this blog, I will say that I&#039;m damned proud of the astronomy &amp; astrophysics research we do at Prifysgol Caerdydd (Cardiff University). In the time I&#039;ve been here we&#039;ve deciphered the Antikythera Device, discovered a dark-matter galaxy, laid excellent ground for gravitational-wave detection and I&#039;m involved in some very exciting research about the nature of dark energy. I&#039;m waiting for the day Torchwood starts asking us for advice...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wales has a different legal status within the UK than Scotland does; Scotland has far more sovereignty whereas for centuries Wales didn&#8217;t legally exist, it was just &#8220;west Britain&#8221;. It&#8217;s only in response to an emerging Welsh nationalist movement in the 20th century that there&#8217;s been any kind of devolution.</p>
<p>@cory: And from the perspective of the Romans who came up with our alphabet, both English and Welsh are awkwardly squeezed into Latin pronunciation. There&#8217;s no logical reason that &#8220;th&#8221; should represent the þ sound any more than &#8220;dd&#8221; should. It really comes down to which set of monks you got &#8212; if I recall correctly, the monks who transcribed Welsh were from Ireland whereas the monks who transcribed Anglo-Saxon were from Germany. You might as well accuse the supremely elegant orthography of Finnish of being irrational because y takes a sound more like English &#8220;u&#8221;.</p>
<p>On the topic of this blog, I will say that I&#8217;m damned proud of the astronomy &#038; astrophysics research we do at Prifysgol Caerdydd (Cardiff University). In the time I&#8217;ve been here we&#8217;ve deciphered the Antikythera Device, discovered a dark-matter galaxy, laid excellent ground for gravitational-wave detection and I&#8217;m involved in some very exciting research about the nature of dark energy. I&#8217;m waiting for the day Torchwood starts asking us for advice&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: widdowquinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>widdowquinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That would be &#039;amb&lt;b&gt;i&lt;/b&gt;wlans&#039;, BTW ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would be &#8216;amb<b>i</b>wlans&#8217;, BTW <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ecosse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ecosse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 08:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But the astronomer royal for scotland was founded in 1834, long after the act of union.&quot;

Your premise is wrong on two counts.

1. The Act of Union was a political union of Scotland and England to create Great Britain in 1707.

2. The Union of the Crowns a century earlier in 1603 was just that - a Union of Crowns. It was not that the Scottish Crown disappeared or dissolved into the English Crown, it was a Union of both. In fact the first King of that Union was the Scottish King James. Therefore the Scottish crown is still extant in exactly the same way as the English crown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But the astronomer royal for scotland was founded in 1834, long after the act of union.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your premise is wrong on two counts.</p>
<p>1. The Act of Union was a political union of Scotland and England to create Great Britain in 1707.</p>
<p>2. The Union of the Crowns a century earlier in 1603 was just that &#8211; a Union of Crowns. It was not that the Scottish Crown disappeared or dissolved into the English Crown, it was a Union of both. In fact the first King of that Union was the Scottish King James. Therefore the Scottish crown is still extant in exactly the same way as the English crown.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Brown</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/08/wales-brief-photoblog-2/comment-page-2/#comment-219034</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As for British signposts, the funniest one I remember seeing was somewhere in Lake District. It was for a “Permissive Footpath” — and no, I didn’t check to see if there was anyone taking advantage of the permissiveness anywhere along it.&quot;

The sexual connotation of the word  permissive is relatively modern.   Though we do tend to call them concessionary footpaths nowadays</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As for British signposts, the funniest one I remember seeing was somewhere in Lake District. It was for a “Permissive Footpath” — and no, I didn’t check to see if there was anyone taking advantage of the permissiveness anywhere along it.&#8221;</p>
<p>The sexual connotation of the word  permissive is relatively modern.   Though we do tend to call them concessionary footpaths nowadays</p>
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		<title>By: Brasidas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brasidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 22:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@61

But the Welsh didn&#039;t have ambulances until Wales was under English control, so they didn&#039;t derive it directly from its root.  The root of the English word ambulance is indeed ambulare but the welsh ambwlans is a straight transliteration of the English word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@61</p>
<p>But the Welsh didn&#8217;t have ambulances until Wales was under English control, so they didn&#8217;t derive it directly from its root.  The root of the English word ambulance is indeed ambulare but the welsh ambwlans is a straight transliteration of the English word.</p>
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		<title>By: Cusp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cusp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Possibly because Wales has never been a kingdom.

But the astronomer royal for scotland was founded in 1834, long after the act of union.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>>Possibly because Wales has never been a kingdom.</p>
<p>But the astronomer royal for scotland was founded in 1834, long after the act of union.</p>
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		<title>By: Gav</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the junction of Manor Way with the Philog isn&#039;t it? Yes, you probably were lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the junction of Manor Way with the Philog isn&#8217;t it? Yes, you probably were lost.</p>
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		<title>By: Pieter Kok</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pieter Kok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having lived in both North and South Wales (Bangor and Cardiff), I feel I have earned the right to slag off the Welsh road signs: Unlike the one depicted here, most signs have Welsh first, and English second (in the North especially). So when you&#039;re driving, you will have past the sign by the time you realize that you should start reading halfway through. This wouldn&#039;t be so bad if the dominant language in Wales were indeed Welsh. But it isn&#039;t, it&#039;s English (especially in the South). 

The English effectively killed off the Welsh language over the past few centuries, and the resurrection of the past few decades is the result of a very focused effort of a small group of Welsh nationalists. I don&#039;t necessarily have a problem with that, but when you miss an exit for the umpteenth time because of a badly designed road sign, the joke wears a little thin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having lived in both North and South Wales (Bangor and Cardiff), I feel I have earned the right to slag off the Welsh road signs: Unlike the one depicted here, most signs have Welsh first, and English second (in the North especially). So when you&#8217;re driving, you will have past the sign by the time you realize that you should start reading halfway through. This wouldn&#8217;t be so bad if the dominant language in Wales were indeed Welsh. But it isn&#8217;t, it&#8217;s English (especially in the South). </p>
<p>The English effectively killed off the Welsh language over the past few centuries, and the resurrection of the past few decades is the result of a very focused effort of a small group of Welsh nationalists. I don&#8217;t necessarily have a problem with that, but when you miss an exit for the umpteenth time because of a badly designed road sign, the joke wears a little thin.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarcastro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarcastro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;How to you get from dharma to zen?&lt;/i&gt;

You don&#039;t. You do, however, go from &lt;i&gt;dhyana&lt;/i&gt; to &lt;i&gt;zen&lt;/i&gt; via the Chinese &lt;i&gt;ch&#039;an&lt;/i&gt;.

&lt;i&gt;Zen&lt;/i&gt; is derived from the PIE base &lt;i&gt;*dhya&lt;/i&gt;, &quot;to see&quot; while &lt;i&gt;dharma&lt;/i&gt; is derived from PIE &lt;i&gt;*dher&lt;/i&gt; &quot;to hold&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How to you get from dharma to zen?</i></p>
<p>You don&#8217;t. You do, however, go from <i>dhyana</i> to <i>zen</i> via the Chinese <i>ch&#8217;an</i>.</p>
<p><i>Zen</i> is derived from the PIE base <i>*dhya</i>, &#8220;to see&#8221; while <i>dharma</i> is derived from PIE <i>*dher</i> &#8220;to hold&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Cameron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, yes! There is a place called Dildo, Newfoundland - where we call home. And from our dining room window we can see Spread Eagle, Dildo Head, South Dildo and we are only 40 minutes from Hearts Content, Hearts Delight, Cupids, Paradise and a whole host of others including Conception Bay, Placentia Bay and even Come By Chance. Signage, signage everywhere - you have to love the diversity in place names.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, yes! There is a place called Dildo, Newfoundland &#8211; where we call home. And from our dining room window we can see Spread Eagle, Dildo Head, South Dildo and we are only 40 minutes from Hearts Content, Hearts Delight, Cupids, Paradise and a whole host of others including Conception Bay, Placentia Bay and even Come By Chance. Signage, signage everywhere &#8211; you have to love the diversity in place names.</p>
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		<title>By: Elwood Herring</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/08/wales-brief-photoblog-2/comment-page-2/#comment-218918</link>
		<dc:creator>Elwood Herring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting discovering that so many of your readers know where that sign is - and I&#039;m another one of them! My sister lives in Whitchurch, and I&#039;ll be driving down there to see her tomorrow, and probably going right past that there sign. 

(I hope you noticed the &quot;SLOW&quot; signs marked everywhere on the roads - I always keep my speed right down, I wouldn&#039;t want to hit an &quot;ARAF&quot;!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting discovering that so many of your readers know where that sign is &#8211; and I&#8217;m another one of them! My sister lives in Whitchurch, and I&#8217;ll be driving down there to see her tomorrow, and probably going right past that there sign. </p>
<p>(I hope you noticed the &#8220;SLOW&#8221; signs marked everywhere on the roads &#8211; I always keep my speed right down, I wouldn&#8217;t want to hit an &#8220;ARAF&#8221;!)</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Barton</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/10/08/wales-brief-photoblog-2/comment-page-2/#comment-218906</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Barton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>46.   Cusp @46:

&gt; Why is there no Astronomer Royal for Wales? &lt;

Possibly because Wales has never been a kingdom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>46.   Cusp @46:</p>
<p>> Why is there no Astronomer Royal for Wales? <</p>
<p>Possibly because Wales has never been a kingdom.</p>
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		<title>By: Cory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@61 Rofl!  &quot;D&quot; makes a similar sound in nearly every other language that uses the Latin alphabet, but in Welsh it can apparently be doubled to make a sound that would be notated as &quot;th&quot; in most languages with the sound.

The ol&#039; French Duke just properly Latinized the alphabet.  Didn&#039;t do a great job of it, sure, but he may have been the only Frenchman who was better at conquering than being prissy about language. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@61 Rofl!  &#8220;D&#8221; makes a similar sound in nearly every other language that uses the Latin alphabet, but in Welsh it can apparently be doubled to make a sound that would be notated as &#8220;th&#8221; in most languages with the sound.</p>
<p>The ol&#8217; French Duke just properly Latinized the alphabet.  Didn&#8217;t do a great job of it, sure, but he may have been the only Frenchman who was better at conquering than being prissy about language. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: passerby</title>
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		<dc:creator>passerby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 31

Ambulance comes from the Latin Ambulare (and goes back to when patients would be carried in stretchers), so really its not just the Welsh who have changed the spelling ;)
Words like that have their own varients in pretty much every language that has apopted the technology/practice/service in question, never understood the different treatment people from England give to this custom when they encounter it in Welsh, especialy when English is literaly full of similar examples.
That said rather a large chunk of the Welsh vocabuary comes from French and Latin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 31</p>
<p>Ambulance comes from the Latin Ambulare (and goes back to when patients would be carried in stretchers), so really its not just the Welsh who have changed the spelling <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Words like that have their own varients in pretty much every language that has apopted the technology/practice/service in question, never understood the different treatment people from England give to this custom when they encounter it in Welsh, especialy when English is literaly full of similar examples.<br />
That said rather a large chunk of the Welsh vocabuary comes from French and Latin.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhydian (yeah, it's Welsh)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhydian (yeah, it's Welsh)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! I know that sign! It&#039;s about 3 roads away from my house! What were you doing in Cardiff?

I&#039;m Welsh, and I had no problem with the joke. I laughed too. It&#039;s not offensive in the slightest. If anyone&#039;s been Welsh for any discernible length of time, they should be used to the jokes by now. It&#039;s just one of our little quirks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! I know that sign! It&#8217;s about 3 roads away from my house! What were you doing in Cardiff?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m Welsh, and I had no problem with the joke. I laughed too. It&#8217;s not offensive in the slightest. If anyone&#8217;s been Welsh for any discernible length of time, they should be used to the jokes by now. It&#8217;s just one of our little quirks.</p>
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		<title>By: davem</title>
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		<dc:creator>davem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I am fluent in Welsh and we do have a funny little language. “ll”, “ng”, “ff”, “rh”, “th” and “ch” ...

Not funny at all. English had those letters, too, but Billy the Conqueror and his scribes only used the latin alphabet, so we got &#039;th&#039; instead of the original &#039;thorn&#039; character. Ditto &#039;gh&#039; &#039;sh&#039; and &#039;ch&#039; which all had their own letters in the Anglo-Saxon alphabet. &#039;GH&#039; especially got mangled - there were three forms of it, all now mashed into 1. Imagine &#039;bough&#039;, cough&#039; and laugh&#039; having different letter endings to understand the  confusion since caused.

As to &#039;w&#039; being a vowel - it always has been! It&#039;s a double-u, literally. 

@cory: &quot;What I really don’t get is why the Welsh community doesn’t create a spelling reform.&quot;

That should be the other way around. Welsh is pronounced exactly as spelled.  A welshman once gave me a 15 minute lesson. That&#039;s all you need to pronounce Welsh passably. It&#039;s English that needs reform.  Give us our letters back!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am fluent in Welsh and we do have a funny little language. “ll”, “ng”, “ff”, “rh”, “th” and “ch” &#8230;</p>
<p>Not funny at all. English had those letters, too, but Billy the Conqueror and his scribes only used the latin alphabet, so we got &#8216;th&#8217; instead of the original &#8216;thorn&#8217; character. Ditto &#8216;gh&#8217; &#8216;sh&#8217; and &#8216;ch&#8217; which all had their own letters in the Anglo-Saxon alphabet. &#8216;GH&#8217; especially got mangled &#8211; there were three forms of it, all now mashed into 1. Imagine &#8216;bough&#8217;, cough&#8217; and laugh&#8217; having different letter endings to understand the  confusion since caused.</p>
<p>As to &#8216;w&#8217; being a vowel &#8211; it always has been! It&#8217;s a double-u, literally. </p>
<p>@cory: &#8220;What I really don’t get is why the Welsh community doesn’t create a spelling reform.&#8221;</p>
<p>That should be the other way around. Welsh is pronounced exactly as spelled.  A welshman once gave me a 15 minute lesson. That&#8217;s all you need to pronounce Welsh passably. It&#8217;s English that needs reform.  Give us our letters back!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Penfold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Penfold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason names like Caerdydd have been anglicised to Cardiff  is down to politics, and attempts by the English over the years to suppress Welsh identity. At one time it was illegal to speak welsh or wear national dress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason names like Caerdydd have been anglicised to Cardiff  is down to politics, and attempts by the English over the years to suppress Welsh identity. At one time it was illegal to speak welsh or wear national dress.</p>
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		<title>By: bubba</title>
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		<dc:creator>bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh? A coworker of mine just came &#039;round because he noticed smoke. It was coming out of my brain. I was trying to process what I&#039;m learning here, and boy, it sure does hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh? A coworker of mine just came &#8217;round because he noticed smoke. It was coming out of my brain. I was trying to process what I&#8217;m learning here, and boy, it sure does hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Ansorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Ansorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never been able to figure out how America ended up driving on the French side of the road, when we were settled by predominantly English speaking people. That&#039;s just weird.

I drove in the Bahamas and in England while on vacation. I think car rental places in these countries really should offer driving lessons before renting to us. I was at my most disadvantaged when trying to make a left turn onto a two way street,,,did you know drivers in England use the same one finger salute we do??? ,,,and I think arsehole means &quot;Howdy there stranger&quot;???

Gary 7
PS: Does &quot;blooming idiot&quot; really mean &quot;Your intellectual development is coming along fine&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never been able to figure out how America ended up driving on the French side of the road, when we were settled by predominantly English speaking people. That&#8217;s just weird.</p>
<p>I drove in the Bahamas and in England while on vacation. I think car rental places in these countries really should offer driving lessons before renting to us. I was at my most disadvantaged when trying to make a left turn onto a two way street,,,did you know drivers in England use the same one finger salute we do??? ,,,and I think arsehole means &#8220;Howdy there stranger&#8221;???</p>
<p>Gary 7<br />
PS: Does &#8220;blooming idiot&#8221; really mean &#8220;Your intellectual development is coming along fine&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: amstrad</title>
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		<dc:creator>amstrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@51, that is hillarious.

Then there is the Welsh town of Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llanfairpwllgwyngyll</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@51, that is hillarious.</p>
<p>Then there is the Welsh town of Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llanfairpwllgwyngyll" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llanfairpwllgwyngyll</a></p>
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		<title>By: ing</title>
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		<dc:creator>ing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry, that should have been &quot;Welsh &#039;ll&#039; is not...&quot;. I was trying to use a linguistic notation involving angle brackets but the comment system chewed it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry, that should have been &#8220;Welsh &#8216;ll&#8217; is not&#8230;&#8221;. I was trying to use a linguistic notation involving angle brackets but the comment system chewed it up.</p>
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		<title>By: ing</title>
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		<dc:creator>ing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@54, Welsh &lt;ll&gt; is not aspirated, it is a lateral alveolar fricative. Also, you meant velar stop, not glottal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@54, Welsh <ll> is not aspirated, it is a lateral alveolar fricative. Also, you meant velar stop, not glottal.</ll></p>
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